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[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1828060]No need to feel ashamed about it, the girls are very skilled scammers. Hopefully those who read this forum will understand this and save themselves a lot of time, money and heart ache. Hopefully those who are about to sign a legal Filipino document of marriage to a bar girl think carefully. Then stop and THINK yet again.[/QUOTE]Good advice FP, unfortunately few will actually take it imho.

I have almost fallen out with good buddies when I have told them to think carefully before marrying a bar girl.

They mainly took offence, with replies of mine is different, she loves me etc etc, only to come crying a few weeks / months / years later when their my one is different girl has broken their heart and taken their money.

Last pal was married for exactly 11 months, lost a house, about 500,000 p in cash and presents and discovered that her so called brother who she would visit regularly was in fact her childhood lover who she never got over and had 2 kids with,she had all along passed off her own kids as her neices,

Guess what, he is now in love with another bar girl who is different.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1828105]Last pal was married for exactly 11 months, lost a house, about 500,000 p in cash and presents and discovered that her so called brother who she would visit regularly was in fact her childhood lover who she never got over and had 2 kids with,she had all along passed off her own kids as her neices,

Guess what, he is now in love with another bar girl who is different.[/QUOTE]Why would anyone marry when there are lots of young and beautiful filipinas, most of them not bargirls, who would cheerfully move in with you for a personal allowance of three thousand pesos a week? Indeed, the more chaste they are, the cheaper they come. You can tell a bargirl by how much she asks and how quick she is to ask it.

[QUOTE=RedDogger;1828121]Why would anyone marry when there are lots of young and beautiful filipinas, most of them not bargirls, who would cheerfully move in with you for a personal allowance of three thousand pesos a week? Indeed, the more chaste they are, the cheaper they come. You can tell a bargirl by how much she asks and how quick she is to ask it.[/QUOTE]Yes one could probably get an attractive low educated non bargirl who has very little chance of employment to accept a monthly income to live with us.

Unfortunately that agreed monthly amount comes with add ONS.

Buffalo died need new one, parents house destroyed in storm need new one, brother had motorbike accident and is in hospital need big money or brother die, lost or broken phones / laptops, the lies go on and on mostly egged on to tell us those lies by her greedy family.

Don't forget when we take on younger pinays we take on their family problems as well and that includes their extended family problems.

It is however possible to meet an educated pinay from a good family who holds down her own job and does not ask for monetary contributions but she will not accept a large age differences, maybe 10-15 years at best.we would have to be to her tastes looks wise and have to romance her just like any western girl,

Unfortunately most guys who visit the phills are 50-60-70 and want to have pinay girlfriends/wives that are 18-25, thats when the large problems occur

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1827760]AC locals tell me the majority of bar girls have AC Filipino boyfriends. Security guards, trike drivers, hotel staff. This is logical as the girls are seen as an easy source of $$$ and free sex. Even bar girls married to foreigners in AC have younger Filipinos 'on the side' who get free money & sex. I see this all the time and feel sorry for the old foreigners who get married to bar girls.[/QUOTE]This is a fact. The majority do have Filipino boyfriends. The ones who do not are encouraged to do the same by those who do. Bar girls often tell each other 'use your head not your heart' when it comes to foreigners. The boyfriends are not always from AC. Many are boyfriends from their province who follow the girls once they become established in the bar and have enough money to send for the boyfriends to pay the RORO fare. The leaching of the foreigner is not limited to Filipino boyfriends. Entire families follow the girls to AC. Often selling pussy is a family affair with sisters and cousins working in the bars. The parents, uncles, and aunts follow them to AC to manager their careers. That includes managing you, their foreigner. There is a reason why the girls say 'my poriner' because walking ATMs are seen as property not persons.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1828105]Good advice FP, unfortunately few will actually take it imho.

I have almost fallen out with good buddies when I have told them to think carefully before marrying a bar girl.

They mainly took offence, with replies of mine is different, she loves me etc etc, only to come crying a few weeks / months / years later when their my one is different girl has broken their heart and taken their money.

Last pal was married for exactly 11 months, lost a house, about 500,000 p in cash and presents and discovered that her so called brother who she would visit regularly was in fact her childhood lover who she never got over and had 2 kids with,she had all along passed off her own kids as her neices,

Guess what, he is now in love with another bar girl who is different.[/QUOTE]Adding to that, I know one guy who married a bar girl. Bought a house. Went on vacation to Europe to see his family. Came back, house sold without him knowing, with contents, even sold the dog. Wife vanished, money vanished. Another fella, conned into thinking pregnancy was his fertilisation as bar girl claimed on the bible, got married, out popped a 100% Filipino. Now in denial, being milked for money and a so called "cousin" has moved in the house as a 'driver'. No prizes for guessing who is the Dad of the kiddie!! Another fella falls totally in love with a bar girl, agreed to marry, goes back abroad for a few weeks to get organized, returns and finds her already married to another customer. Yet another marries a bar girl, gets her US citizenship, has two kids, she goes to the US and disappears leaving him in Philippines liable for child support under Philippine law. But you are right, each newbie thinks they have found the diamond in the dirt!

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1828172]Adding to that, I know one guy who married a bar girl. Bought a house. Went on vacation to Europe to see his family. Came back, house sold without him knowing, with contents, even sold the dog. Wife vanished, money vanished. Another fella, conned into thinking pregnancy was his fertilisation as bar girl claimed on the bible, got married, out popped a 100% Filipino. Now in denial, being milked for money and a so called "cousin" has moved in the house as a 'driver'. No prizes for guessing who is the Dad of the kiddie!! Another fella falls totally in love with a bar girl, agreed to marry, goes back abroad for a few weeks to get organized, returns and finds her already married to another customer. Yet another marries a bar girl, gets her US citizenship, has two kids, she goes to the US and disappears leaving him in Philippines liable for child support under Philippine law. But you are right, each newbie thinks they have found the diamond in the dirt![/QUOTE]I am staying in an apartment in KL. So one day the guard suggested me that a pinay girl is looking for part time job. Wow I was like lets try pinay on Malaysia. The girls comes and offers cleaning of my apartment and charge 600 myr 15 times a month. I thought wow may be I am lucky to taste a pinay pussy here. First day she comes anf the clean the house, offer me massage for 100 extra. I was like wow. Go on. She does massage and when I try to do some play she start saying me all the sad stories, my family, I cry for them, they have no money to eat bla bla. Now instead of feeling horny I felt so sorry as if I will cry. Story goes on and nothing happened. I paid 200 just to say her don't cry. Now she everyday says the same thing. One day she invites me for a party and I buy almost 12 beers, wine scotch and some food amd reach their house. To my surprise they were eating and only two people at home. I asked where your BF and other friends, she says they will come. OK I am already bored and leave the place. In night I just ask that if they are done with party or no. She says no party. Why the fuck she asked me to buy so much stuff if no party. Now next day she says I can give my house key to her so that she can come once I am at work clean. I thought OK. One day I come early and to my surprise she with her friends and BF all having gala times in my apartment. I was shocked, she says they all came to use wifi, as my place got wifi.

Not things are triggering, again same sad stories about family and boy friend bla bla. Now I am getting hints what a happening. Till now no pussy. One day I went to swimming pool to my surprise using my access card her BF and she both are enjoying the pool. Now I was so angry I just old her to fuck off. And paid her money. Li used to think how can be people so stupid to marry pinays but now I realized when you are sensible and they have enough to cry, you make mistakes any how I just escaped spending almost 1500 myr without even a glimpse of puky. Anyways lesson learn are more than money.

As we have jumped from subject to subject in the last few days I wanted to point out a few things to the first time phils visitor looking for a wife / girlfriend or live in sex partner.

Most, if not all pinays are of high morale, good character, god fearing and would not dream of selling their pussy by the hour, marrying for monetary gain or living with and providing pussy for monetary gain, especially to older guys.

Do not think for one moment that the streets of the phills are lined with desperate women who will do anything for money, most pinays are not prostitutes, far from it.

Having said that there is a tiny number of pinays with low morales who turn to prostitution, look for guys to exchange a little pussy for money or would consider living with/ marriage to an old guy in exchange for money, again these are a very small numbers of girls.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1828188]Most, if not all pinays are of high morale, good character, god fearing and would not dream of selling their pussy by the hour, marrying for monetary gain or living with and providing pussy for monetary gain, especially to older guys.

Do not think for one moment that the streets of the phills are lined with desperate women who will do anything for money, most pinays are not prostitutes, far from it.[/QUOTE]Nothing illustrates this point better than the number of virgins (cherry girls) working in the various venues who would not consider doing the 'see above'. However, encounter one of these girls experiencing some sort of for real money crisis (family, accident, etc.) and all bets are off. Here becomes a situation where an old guy foreigner of low morale, bad character, and not god-fearing and who dreams of buying pussy by the hour can take advantage.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1828188]As we have jumped from subject to subject in the last few days I wanted to point out a few things to the first time phils visitor looking for a wife / girlfriend or live in sex partner.

Most, if not all pinays are of high morale, good character, god fearing and would not dream of selling their pussy by the hour, marrying for monetary gain or living with and providing pussy for monetary gain, especially to older guys.

Do not think for one moment that the streets of the phills are lined with desperate women who will do anything for money, most pinays are not prostitutes, far from it.

Having said that there is a tiny number of pinays with low morales who turn to prostitution, look for guys to exchange a little pussy for money or would consider living with/ marriage to an old guy in exchange for money, again these are a very small numbers of girls.[/QUOTE]Nanaslapper,

First you decide which side you are. Your most informations are not clear enough. May benif you were true Philippine forum was not so happening.

My goodness the god of morale please drink some scotch and let the devil come out.

[QUOTE=Golfinho;1828193]Nothing illustrates this point better than the number of virgins (cherry girls) working in the various venues who would not consider doing the 'see above'. However, encounter one of these girls experiencing some sort of for real money crisis (family, accident, etc.) and all bets are off. Here becomes a situation where an old guy foreigner of low morale, bad character, and not god-fearing and who dreams of buying pussy by the hour can take advantage.[/QUOTE] I think you will find that most girls working in gogo bars cherry or not are already of the low morale type imho.

Look back a few pages to my trip report where a cherry girl was more than willing to give a blow job and let me eat her pussy if I bar fined her, no extra payments needed.

,most supposed cherry girls are only cherry until they find the client willing to pay enough to take their suposed cherry, they entered the bar buisness knowing that probably they would be selling hand jobs, blow jobs,sucking pussy and eventually they will be probably selling pussy for money too.

girls of good morales would not be seen dead working in a gogo bar cherry or not, they go out get educated or work long hours for very little pay but would rather that than be seen any where near a gogo bar.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1828216]I think you will find that most girls working in gogo bars cherry or not are already of the low morale type imho. girls of good morales would not be seen dead working in a gogo bar cherry or not, they go out get educated or work long hours for very little pay but would rather that than be seen any where near a gogo bar.[/QUOTE]OK, that's a point you've made clear enough: some girls are good, some girls are bad, end of story.

As for certified cherry girls working in go-go bars: we believe there is a broader cross-section in play. A lot has to do with how they are recruited and what their expectation is for the actual work -- initially. Once in action, it's then a slippery slope. Factor in the incentive to consume alcohol, peer pressure, money, etc. And morality adjusts -- situational determinism. You can project your own morals unto the girls: keep in mind they can do the same for you.

[QUOTE=ScreamingBeaver;1828041]One of the most hilarious times I had was banging a Filipino while she was talking to her American fianc on the phone. He was actually serenading her while I was pumping her doggie style. I had to bury my face in a pillow to muffle my laughter. She even had to mute the phone as she was roaring with laughter too. Ah, good times.[/QUOTE]It is a common occurance if you visit Philippines often and date normal girls from dating sites. They meet many online and as I understand quite a few support these girls without having never visited.

I have had few girls answer their phones when I am with them. It is a game they play. It is not confined to only Philippine girls. Even for the occasional visitor having a young GF comes with lots of trust issues. Girl is not going to sit and home twist her thumbs watching tv waiting. More so if she gets money every month. She is going to go out meet boys and fuck.

These days I see only normal girls through DIA. After being with them I tell them do not expect any support till I see them next time. Next time I will have new girls lined up but may see one or two of my previous favorite ones. Previously I have supported some girls through school and glad to say they got good jobs. At the same time I am fully aware of trust issues. What I do not see does not bother me. I have told them to go out and have fun if they want. But as you can imagine none has confessed and I do not expect them to either.

All stories are duly noted. Please note they are all just STORIES, told by second hand and one sided and/or pure speculation. No reports here by bar girls, girl friends, wives or victimized online contacts or personal meet ups to tell the other side.

Could it be that good girls feel they have no other options to feed their family?

Could it be that the "victimized" sponsor, boyfriend, husband and what ever is just merely a volunteer?

[QUOTE=Sammon;1828373]These days I see only normal girls through DIA. After being with them I tell them do not expect any support till I see them next time.[/QUOTE]Why would you tell them that? The normal girl that I see do not ask for support and I do not give them any support.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1827904]I think you will find that jinglebells99 was refering to the cost of travelling to angeles, being more expensive than travelling to thailand, not the price of pussy.

Now on to pussy.

Comparing thai gogo girls to the girls in atlantis is black from white imho.

There is not 1 single girl employed in atlantis that would be employed to dance in a top thai gogo.

There is also not 1 atlantis girl that would be employed to work in the top makati manila gogo,thats why girls in makati charge 3000p barfine and 3,900p short time, thats a whopping 145 us dollars total,

Want to compare atlantis girls to thai girls then there are many girls on soi 6 that are slimmer and more attractive without any of the princess syndrome of the atlantis girl at half the price.

you also conveniently forgot to mention that like for like hotel prices are 50% cheaper in thailand,food is a fraction of the price in thailand,most air tickets are much cheaper to thailand than phills,thai taxis are half price, thailand is a 1st world country as apposed to a 3rd world country,i could go on for pages.

many of my friends that live in phills full time tell me how cheap beer is in angeles at $2 and how expensive thai beer is at $1 more,my answer to that is yes your correct,but for the $2 angeles beer i get to see girls at best in swimming costumes and at worst dancing in street clothes,for my $3 thai beer i get to see fully naked women on stage,again black from white,

not knocking the phills,its just not thailand and never will be,my advice is enjoy both destinations,pinay pussy is sweet just like thai pussy.[/QUOTE]Totally agreed! I've been to both Phil and Thai, and I couldn't agree more with everything here. Of course, everyone has there own preferences and opinions depending on what your looking for.