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"Remember that Koreans are pretty racist -- they subconsciously react to everyone in terms of their preconceived notions of that person's culture, at least at first -- and while overall they seem pretty anti-American, they secretly admire all white people (including Americans, Canadians, Australians, Europeans, etc.) for various reasons."

The above was posted by BK Big Fish. Now, he says these are just generalizations, so let me just clear something up:

I am not racist. I do not "subconsciously react" or whatever he's talking about. I am not anti-American, and I'm a US citizen. I do not admire all white people. Maybe Bill Gates and a few others, but that's it.

As for my family, who are native Koreans, they are not racist, and they do not admire all white people at all. They don't care. They just live their lives.

I guess I could make generalizations as well, but it'll probably only apply to a small percentage of mongers, so it's unnecessary.

"Remember that Koreans are pretty racist -- they subconsciously react to everyone in terms of their preconceived notions of that person's culture, at least at first -- and while overall they seem pretty anti-American, they secretly admire all white people (including Americans, Canadians, Australians, Europeans, etc.) for various reasons."

Let me be a little less blunt than Byung's comment about the above.

This above statement made by BK Big Fish is not only outrageously offensive it is outright racist.

So basically BK Big Fish, please save us your blanket racist generalizations.

Typical utter ignorance. Just because YOU don't understand the certain nuances of a specific culture, THEY must be racist, oh and by the way, they must secretly admire ALL WHITE PEOPLE.

Dude shut the f*ck up with that bullsh*t.

Koreans, Japanese, Chinese, Vietnamese, Thais, etc. etc. all have their own respective cultural nuances. They also have long and proud histories that dwarf most "Western" ones.

Some of my best friends are Korean, Japanese, Chinese, etc. etc. In fact, one of these guys will definitely be my best man at my future wedding no question. I'd take a bullet for the guy and he'd do the same for me - oh, and by the way, he wants to be white about as much as I want to lose my dick.

I've also met total assh*les from all of the above> The KEY POINT? Every nation, every race has their fair share of dickheads and good guys.

If you haven't realized that by now maybe you should put down that copy of Mien Kemp and start opening your mind.

I second agoodfella's opinion. Every race has it's good and bad folks. I was stationed in Korea twice, even married a very good Korean woman. It's all about how you treat people; the Golden Rule applies 'round the world.

Bangalot,

It helps being " considered " goodlooking but remember what I said, all the tricks, the game , the slickness, the Korean and looks you got won't be enough in most cases. And the girls with too much pride and status won't go out with you for the simple fact that she does not want to be seen in public with a foriegner. It's true.


Find the right girls and you will be alright.

One thing I agree with entirely is Japanese women LOVE white guys. Everybody is probably having a blast in Japan!


and BTW I am not racist and I do not secretly admire white people.

Please

Sam Katz aka ..

What a disaster-zone this board is becoming!

White! Black! Asian! So what?

What the hell is everybody talking about? Most of these discussions can be held "offline" or through the PM facility.

How about addressing the more pressing (and serious) problem of where we are going to get our pussy from now on?

Ho Man, are you sure about FRIENDS? I went there a couple of days ago and all they were offering was straight massage. Since I wanted "extras", I didn't stay.

Hey fellas,

I will be in Seoul on the 13th for 10 days.

Any info on the hot spots?

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I visited Seoul in September for a few days on a business trip and wanted to report my findings. I reviewed this site and found it helpful, though as is sometimes the case, there was almost too much information to easily sort through. In fact, I had planned to visit the RLDs (not knowing the subsequent government events that would occur), but actually had trouble finding Yongsan. I was staying at the Seoul Hilton, near Seoul Station, and found that it is quite hard to walk around this very large city!

Having been unsuccessful finding Yongsan the first night, I decided to call one of the outcall massage ads in one of the English language daily newspapers. The man at the other end spoke English well and sent over a young woman in her early 20s, thin and cute. Spoke limited English, but I could speak some Korean. She gave me a good massage for 20-30 minutes, then went to the bathroom to shower. When she returned, she was wearing just a towel, which quickly came off. This was not a GFE encounter (no kissing, all covered) but she allowed DATY and performed a too nice CBJ through which I could barely contain myself. I quickly had her mount me--she was incredibly tight and I came. She was very sweet, cleaned me off with a warm towel and we talked a short while. She explained to me that she actually did some modeling and was going for a photo shoot in the morning. She also told me that I was the second client she had ever been with. I believed both of these things. The session was 150,000 won and I tipped her 20,000, which she tried to give back at first.

The second night, I called back the same #, asked for a different girl. He again sent a very beautiful young woman, maybe in her mid-late 20s. Larger (beautiful) breasts and better English. She was a little more business-like, more experienced. Again a very good massage and this time we both showered, but separately. We climbed under the covers and hugged (no kissing again). DATY and CBJ again, both very nice. Then several positions, ending in doggie. Same price and a 10,000 tip. Both encounters were not rushed, but were 1 shot deals.

The third day, I found my way to 588, really by accident. I thought I would walk down behind the station and made the mistake of entering one of the rooms when I was called in by an old lady. I could not remember from all my reading on this board how each of the different RLDs worked, and I guess I just thought it would be ok. I gave her 70,000 and she eventually sent a woman in her mid to late 30s but looked older, pot-bellied, not very attractive at all, who kept her shirt on, and tried to get me hard with her hand. I should have walked out when I saw her, but my mistake--it was a terrible experience for me. I spent about 10 minutes there and when it was clear that nothing good was happening, I literally ran out.

My own conclusions (from an extremely limited experience) for American travelers with limited time and language abilities is that--while many opportunities may exist in Seoul--they require research and an insider perspective that is hard to acquire in such a short time. I walked through Itaewon, but was not interested in that particular scene. I happen to like outcalls to my hotel, and while I suppose better bargains and payoffs (as in true GFEs) exist, I will say that 150,000 for a real (ie excellent) massage and a clean, pretty young woman in my room was not a bad deal. My obviously inept foray into an RLD was my own fault, but for unseasoned visitors like me, perhaps harder to pull off and not for me.

Just my thoughts.

Gentlemen,

My remarks were intended to highlight a few misconceptions that foreigners may have about Koreans. Koreans protests against America are directed toward the current administration, and not toward the people -- I was pointing out that Americans, or white people from other countries, should not assume that they are in an unfriendly country, or that Korean girls will automatically reject them.

In any case, I was trying to add some much-needed optimism to the current forum, since these days P4P is struggling, and the only safe and viable alternatives seem to be either go elsewhere, or pick up on freebies.

I apologize if I offended anyone by saying that Koreans are racist, but in my opinion, they are. Well, it's less racism than tribalism, but whatever. I think the first step to conquering racism is to acknowledge it exists, but then again, if you want we can play the American game of assuming no one but the Nazis are racist.

I suggest that we get back to the real topic of this forum, which is, how to get laid in Korea.

I'm sure that the Japanese girls love the white meat so to speak but based on their looks and their teeth alone, I would not be so proud of a fact like that. Not to say I hate Japanese women, for they are very open minded about their sexual culture and if not the best noise makers in bed, but I would take a stubborn Korean girl any day of the week over a Japanese girl.

DH

Smoke & Mirrors,

Obviously you don't live in Korea, nor spent any time here. For the most part what has been stated on the board is true.

I'm an American. I have been married to a Korean women for almost 15 years. The last 3 of which we have spent living in Seoul.

It has gotten better, but it is still a problem.

Hey Hey Team

Let's not over-react, so BK Big Fish is a little bit of a racist.

BK you have got to admit, it came across pretty bad, and shame on you for trying to get some Korean Pussy if you don't like the people.

Byung, agoodfella, and Magic 501 are right, there are good and bad people everywhere in the world and I definitely do not think that Koreans secretly admire us. As I mentioned in previous posts, I love and respect Koreans and I don't think that they are racists in any way; however, they are relatively status oriented. I think that girls may think that we are attractive, but admiration is stretching it. They also don't treat me any with any indifference on the street.

Remember what I said? Korea has the 12th largest economy in the world (out of approx 200) and the #1 ranked Primary education system in the world. America pales in comparison when it somes to literacy and the education of our children; however, I must say we do have the best University system in the world, the largest economy, and so on.

Here's the latest on the crackdown.

http://english.yna.co.kr/Engnews/20041006/301900000020041006103147E2.html

Notice where they say,

"New-type, more clandestine prostitution in massage parlors, barber shops and karaoke rooms are virtually immune from the crackdown, he added."

So if you have to, go to the other prostitution places.

Ball44

Smoke and Mirrors,

I was not talking about Korean girls in the states, they are all up for grabs.

I never said all native girls did not want to be seen with foriegners. I'm talking about the ones that don't date them because of what friends and family might think of it or say. False? Trust me friend, I ain't making this up, I got it from the girls themselves. Remember I never said ALL of them, just most.

But whatever believe what you want.

Sam Katz aka ...

Of course there are going to be Korean girls that don't want anything to do with foreigners. Same with Japan. Same with China. These are all countries that are rich in heritage and tradition. In fact, "foreigners" in this case may very well be a Korean gal not being able to bring home a Japanese boyfriend or Chinese boyfriend. In other words, it has less to do with the color of your skin - this misses the point, rather they have a preference to continuing that tradition.

You will find that same kind of preference whereever you go in the world. Take for instance in America. I have Jewish friends that may or may not date outside the Jewish circle, but when it comes to serious commitment and marriage, their preference is to marry a fellow Jew to carry on the many unique traditions inherent to their heritage that preceded them. I don't think that's wrong, in fact, I see a lot of sense and rationale in their preference to preserve and to continue that heritage - I fully respect that. Indians are very much the same way.

My point it to call that racism is completely misguided.

I've lived and worked abroad in many countries over the years - Europe, Asia and the States - seen and met many people. One thing it seems is universal - showing respect will generally be reciprocated.

Will things change over time in Asia? Most certainly, as things open up, as countries that are internationalizing begin to inter-mingle with other cultures, there will be more experience and understanding. Ignorance abounds whereever one goes, and as a visitor anywhere one goes your experience will leave an impression to those around you. So when protocol calls for good judgement and understanding - doing so helps the next person who comes along - and slowly artificial barriers may (or may not) gradually recede. But even then, it's a safe bet to say that many of the current personal preference will continue to prevail - hey, its a free world.

So the next time a Korean gal doesn't want to suck your dick, to turn around as say, "damn, all of these Koreans secretly admire my white ass and really want my big dick inside them, but their racist culture is cock-blocking me" is not only naive it displays a deep lack of understanding of a person's right to make personal choices that are inherent to their own culture.

Koreans are fiercly nationalistic for many reasons (which I don't even want to get into). That doesn't mean they are racists, they are rightly proud of their own history and culture, and as a guest of this country it behooves anyone to at least understand (if not respect) this reality.

Plenty of choices abound otherwise.