General Info

[QUOTE=Breadman]Are there any Fkk clubs that offer discounts when you have 3 or more guys in a group? Say two pay and one gets in free?[/QUOTE]
World has "two for three" on Mondays to Wednesdays.

Chivaz

I attended the monthly Gangbang in Club Tabulos (report [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=537975&postcount=1258[/url]) last Wednesday 29th Nov, and between sessions I got talking to a very interesting old character. He asked me not to reveal his name but said he didn’t mind having his memoirs put on the net. I was standing in the gangbang room, watching the action just after one of my own sessions and he came over and asked where I was from in his excellent English. I told him and then he asked was I new to visiting prostitutes, and seemed surprised when I told him that I was nearly 20 years in the hobby. What then took place was a very interesting conversation between sessions over the next few hours, where we shared details of our respective sex lives. Although the conversation wasn’t really in interview style, I am going to recreate it that way here. He was really forthcoming and delighted to tell his story. My questions didn’t necessarily come in the following order either, and obviously it’s not word for word, but its how I remember it.

ME: so what are your sexual statistics?

HIM: Well I’m nearly 58, and I had my first sex when I was 15 years old. In 42 odd years I have had sex with around 2500 women I think. That breaks down to 2 ex wives, 100 girlfriends, and one-night stands. Maybe 4 or 500 swinging women, and around 2000 prostitutes, but that really could be more; it is certainly not less than that. Both my wives left me because of my being unfaithful.

ME: Do you remember your first sexual experience? (He really went into detail here)

HIM: Yes, it was with a prostitute when I was 15. I had a girlfriend, who was 2 years younger than me, and all she would do was kiss her a little, but I was desperate to do “it”. I lived in a small town not so far from Dusseldorf, and there were several prostitutes in the area. Most were women whose husbands had left them, and this was their way to support their families. The majority of these women worked alone and from their homes. I was always attracted to older women, even from a young age, and there was one particular woman who I decided would be my first. She was about 35, tall with long black hair and brown eyes, very French looking I thought at the time. It was all very relaxed with these women, men would call to their houses at all hours of the day or night, and as long as they didn’t have another client, they drop whatever else they were doing and do the business. This woman had about 5 kids, and she used to get the older kids to mind the younger ones. The room she used wasn’t her real bedroom, but a special room for the sex that she always kept locked so the kids wouldn’t go in there.

I had a friend who wanted to fuck her too, so we decided to go one Saturday. We flipped a coin over who would go in first, and I won. We were so nervous, and it took me around on hour to get the courage to ring her bell. She answered the door, and laughed when she saw me. She asked how old I was, and I told her I was 18. She laughed again and told me I was a liar, but let me in anyway. Straight into her sex room, and she took the money off me. She told me to undress and lie on the bed, and she went away for a few minutes. She came back and undressed, and I can still see her standing beside the bed naked. She had big sagging breasts with stretch marks, and a really big loose belly. But what I really focused on was her pubic hair; it was the biggest bush I had ever seen, almost to her navel. She sat on the side of the bed and started sucking my cock. I was shaking with nerves but really enjoying it. After a few minutes she lay beside me, and I went to kiss her, and I remember only then noticing her really bad teeth, and her foul breath. I French kissed her anyway, and then down to her tits, and then I moved my face to her pussy but it was really too hairy and smelly to lick. I fucked her then and came after about 3 thrusts. She then gave me a cigarette, and I fucked her twice more. It felt great putting my cream inside her and then I was hooked for life.

ME: I have seen you performing bareback during all your sessions today; don’t you worry AIDS and STDS?

HIM: I have always performed bareback, and I hate condoms. I find they ruin the erotic moment for me. For me the thrill is coming in the woman’s pussy, and watching cock going in and out of her pussy. When I started having sex, bareback was normal, except maybe with prostitutes in Red light districts like in Amsterdam. Ok here is my opinion on AIDS: When AIDS arrived on the scene on the early 1980’s, there was huge confusion and we all thought you could get it from cutlery and from beer glasses in bars etc! (He gave a big laugh) I remember thinking that I might get AIDS from a beer bottle, and I was still having regular bareback with different workingwomen – it was crazy! Then when the confusion was straightened out, many people did change their sexual habits, or at least for a while. Certain prostitutes did change over to using condoms, and many swinging people also started using them, and also got fussier about who they fucked. But many women didn’t change and just continued with the old ways.

I think this club is a very safe place to have bareback, because I know that the girls are tested every month here, and if there is a problem they must leave.

The only place I am really concerned about AIDS/HIV is in Thailand. I go there every summer for a month, and have been doing so since my second wife left me over 10 years ago. Over there I have a dear friend who lives in Pattaya, and he sorts out women for me. He gets them checked with a very reputable Doctor, and those are the only women I go with when I am there.

I have had some minor infections over the years, and I guess I have been lucky never to catch hepatitis or anything too serious. I have hep shots of course these days, and I got for a full scan every year. At least crabs hardly exists anymore, cos most women are shaved now.

ME: Do you prefer shaved or hairy pussies?

HIM: Shaved for sure. So much cleaner and better to lick. Some women were doing it years ago, but it really only caught with the majority in the last few years. I even started shaving myself in the last few years.

ME: You mentioned that you have had sex with many swinging women, can you tell me more about that?

HIM: I have been swinging for a really long time now, also with many of the same women since the 70s. Problem is that they are getting too old now, and I have lost interest in having sex with most of them. At least them getting pregnant are not a problem anymore. (He gives a big laugh) Most of the swinging I do these days is in private parties in people’s homes. I also take a lady with me, who is the widow of a friend of mine who committed suicide some years ago. I don’t fuck her these days but its nice to go to a party with a lady rather than alone. Although I must admit that my swinging days are really coming to an end, because I am gone too old to entice younger swinging women, and as I said I am quickly losing interest in the older girls as many are in their 60’s now. I prefer women in the 30 – 45 age group. I don’t like them too young or too old. To me women under 25 are just kiddies, the same as my two daughters. I not interested in kiddies.

ME: It is rumoured on the ISG forum that bareback sex is offered in Bernd’s FKK club?

HIM: Ha ha, Well you get on that forum when u go home and tell all those guys that they can get a bare fuck in Bernd’s if they want, its certainly no secret around here.
I go to this club about 6 or 8 times per year, and it is probably the best of the more modern FKK type clubs. About ½ the women there do bareback, but these days they charge more for it. 50 euro extra I think. Also I think the club is only good value if you are staying in the area, and not driving so you can take advantage of the alcohol. If you drive there, then the 70-euro entry seems like a waste. I some times go with a pal and if he drives then I drink, and then it is worth it. There are some really good girls there though.

ME: What do you think of the “more modern FKK clubs” as you called them?

HIM: Well I call them “Kiddie clubs”, cos most of the girls are kiddies, and many of the clients are kiddies. People under 30 years are all really just kiddies in my view. I don’t really like these big clubs that are like loud discotechs, complete with their loud music and flashing lights. Also its hard to get bareback sex in many of the modern clubs, but it does take place in most of them. But you must be a regular in these clubs, and get to know the girl a few times before she will drop the condoms.

ME: If you find yourself in a position where you can’t get bareback off a girl, what do you do?

HIM: I just get blowjob, and do 69 and things. Then I come in her mouth. If she wont let me cum in her mouth, well I wont be seeing her again.

ME: Have you been to the big Frankfurt clubs?

HIM: Well I have a friend who likes to visit all the new clubs when they open, and so I sometimes go with him if I have nothing better to do, like on a Sunday sometimes. I have been to all those big clubs down there I think. Again I think do them as “kiddie clubs”. I think Atlantis is closed now isn’t it?? Tax problems or something. I have been in Oase more than the other ones.

ME: A place I have been recently, and I really liked is Partytreff Dorsten. Have u been?

HIM: Yes, I was there with my friend on a Sunday about a year ago, and I wasnt really comfortable. Most of the girls were real kiddies, even younger than my daughters. I really only went cos I had nothing else to do that Sunday, and I hate sitting around my house alone, especially on a Sunday. It’s a very lonely day for me.
I can see how a young man like you would like that club. It’s a nice relaxing sort of place I suppose.

ME: So where do u go to visit prostitutes these days?

HIM: 80% of the women I go to see are working from their own homes. I keep an excel spreadsheet on my computer at home, with names, addresses, numbers, comments etc. There are hundreds of entries, and some of these women I have seen for years now. I usually prefer about 2 hours with a woman, and have sex twice in that time. I can usually get this service for 100 –150 with these private women. I visit a working woman at least once a week. I have never gone for more than 2 or 3 weeks without sex in the last 42 years.

ME: Do you like licking a woman’s pussy?

HIM: Yes I love it, and like I saw you do earlier a lot, I also like to lick the asshole.

ME: Not that many men are into licking the female anus, you, me, a cousin of mine, Rocco Siffredi??

HIM: Ha ha, is that Rocco the Buttman guy?? Well I have seen many men do it over the years. I think there are more men that like it, aside from you, your cousin, Rocco, and me. Ha ha. (Gives a big laugh)

And that was about all he had to say.

[QUOTE=Chivaz]World has "two for three" on Mondays to Wednesdays.

Chivaz[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the info Chivas, any other clubs out there that do the same?

[QUOTE=Breadman]Thanks for the info Chivas, any other clubs out there that do the same?[/QUOTE]
Finca Erotica has the same thing going on Sundays and Mondays before 20:00

Some clubs have happy hours like:

FKK-Malibu: 35 euros between 12:00 and 13:00 and also between 20:00 and 21:00. Also 35 euros on Sundays.

Finca Erotica: 30 euros between 11:00 and 14:00 and also between 22:00 and 23:00. You can not get both the happy hour and 3 for 2 at Finca.

Atlantik: 35 euros between 11:00 and 14:00 and also between 20:00 and 21:00. Sundays are 35 euros as well regardless of time.

There are others as well. Cocoon has happy hour, Yin Yang had a happy hour promotion in November etc. They usually have this info on their webpages. You can also see some info on it in the FAQ on Roemerforum.

Chivaz

Excellent report. Must have been an interesting fellow.

First all, good day to all the gentleman of this forum, young and veteran. I'm Carlos, from NJ. I was stationed in the army for 8 years in Germany. I been out of the FKK scene since march 17 2005.

So my question to all you wise gentlemen is which is right now the best FKK club? Currently I'm serving my country overseas fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan, well please someone help me out. I should be touching German soil in January, whatever info I get I will post and share the experience with you if possible. I will try to get pics.

Well thank you and I will be waiting for responses.

Wan King,

Before I focused only on the girls when in Clubs. But I learned to socialize with the customers and indeed, it makes you meet sometimes the most interesting characters.

Routard

... and maybe I've got too much time on my hands which is why I've been doing all of this thinking: Particularly under the "Other FKK clubs" and the "Partytreff" threads is a world of club information which is difficult to get to because its not indexed.

If there were a thread somewhere (and I'm thinking it might be the "Clubs which deserve their own threads" thread) which listed which posts were pertinent to which clubs, the information would be easier to get to and we wouldn't have to keep repeating information which has already been posted when the same questions come up.

This index would, in effect, be a substitute but not a replacement for an FAQ.

Z. B.: the post would read:

[b]If you want information on Cocoon, the following posts are relevant (and I am making these numbers up):

Under General Information:
#736, #892, etc..

Under Other FKK Clubs:
#873, #938, etc... [/b]

Some questions being asked come up over and over again: "Which bus do you take to get to Cocoon? What is the name of the bus stop?".. and the answers to these questions are there but just all over the place.

There have been some really oustanding reports (the ones written by Toscana, Wan King, Routard and Euro100 come to mind) which could then be indexed and found more easily. Some of these are great club specific FAQs which are buried under piles of less important material.

The Reports of Distinction thread deals primarily with well written reports and not so much questions on the nuts and bolts of club visits which come up often.

Jackyo and all,

Can someone help me find address of Maxim and ideally a phone number? I don't read german, so other boards are not much help, and google does not want to find it either.

Thank you

the current AIDS test technique can only find out if you have disease or not min 6 weeks ago. It means if you're affected and test within 6 weeks after your unsafe sex, you cann't find it out. So who know the girls got affected in 6 weeks or not.....

This was posted a long time ago and is very helpful in finding what is available. This is not a complete listing but goes a long ways to helping find what is available.

Enjoy this great resource. Thanks to Roemer Forum.

Bob

Okay. Third installment starting again on January first, 2006. I might just stop here.

Or I might go backwards and index 2005 reports for the PT, Other FKK and General Information threads. It might be the thing to do over the holidays – I find that it calms the nerves.

To get the whole picture of what is going on in the scene one needs to read the German and French forums too. There is lots of interesting content out there most of which never makes it into English.

In indexing this thread I ignored discussions on pimps, STDs, the World Cup and forced sex. As with my previous indexing, I ignored questions and focused on posts with content.

Required reading for newbies is Routard’s FKK FAQ: #1576 (it consists of a couple of links). Its about as comprehensive as can be. Also Cordelia’s comments on how guest should act in a club: #1492.

These posts also deal with general topics such as how to exchange money, car rental tips, leaving bags behind at the Frankfurt Hbf, and, particularly of importance to newbies: the officially approved ISG policy on [b]tipping[/b].

Certain posts also deal with the perennial question asked by newbies: which clubs do I go to?

The answer to this question is easy: visit the Hessen 3, repeat as necessary…This is the beaten path and a lot of newbies are content with the beaten path (no point in trying to convince them otherwise..)

Alles klar?

[b]Clubueberblick[/b] 1329

[b]Kaleus List[/b] 1234, 1236

[b]Lists[/b] 1287, 1386, 1668, 1669, 1670

[b]Clubs in Koeln[/b] 1302, 1303, 1304, 1305, 1306, 1307

[b]Samya. Koeln [/b] 1307

[b]Artemis, Berlin[/b] 1235, 1331, 1332

[b]Sleeping in a car[/b] 1364, 1365, 1366, 1370, 1371, 1396, 1400, 1404

[b]Club suggestions and overall reviews[/b] 1239, 1259, 1266, 1377, 1416, 1419, 1510, 1522, 1542, 1644, 1676, 1682, 1720, 1746, 1747, 1779, 1810, 1813

[b]Credit cards[/b] 1246, 1247

[b]FKK Clubs vs. Spanien[/b] 1254, 1256, 1257

[b]Oase[/b] 1260, 1261, 1362

[b]Hessen Hotels[/b] 1454, 1456

[b]Sex in Kinos[/b] 1281

[b]Bernds, Hennef-Lichtenberg[/b] 1482, 1717

[b]Polyglot guide[/b] 1334, 1343

[b]Optimal time of day to visit[/b] 1372, 1373, 1374, 1375, 1401

[b]NRW defined[/b] 1271, 1272, 1273, 1274

[b]Amsterdam[/b] 1276, 1277, 1279

[b]ColA, Augsburg[/b] 1284, 1330

[b]Atlantik, Hanau[/b] 1291

[b]Eros, Frankfurt[/b] 1362

[b]Palace, Frankfurt am Main (nicht an der Oder)[/b] 1261, 1260, 1362, 1376

[b]World[/b] 1262

[b]Southern Germany (d.h. Baden-Wuerttemberg and Bayern)[/b] 1288, 1751, 1753, 1754, 1755

[b]Villa, Hannover[/b] 1326

[b]Berlin Versus NRW[/b] 1752

[b]FKK Point, Bruchsal[/b] 1376

[b]Hessen 3 Versus Bernds[/b] 1716

[b]GPS Coordinates[/b] 1382, 1457, 1458, 1459, 1460, 1461, 1462, 1464, 1706

[b]Kaiserslautern[/b] 1605

[b]Berlin[/b] 1607, 1610, 1611

[b]Exchanging Money[/b] 1387, 1388, 1390, 1392, 1394, 1395

[b]Discrimination[/b] 1397

[b]Ibis Hotels[/b] 1399, 1406

[b]Parkschloss Dali[/b] 1408, 1410, 1440, 1441

[b]Parksauna, Wildenrath[/b] 1408, 1410

[b]Heavensgate, Dorsten[/b] 1410, 1592, 1595, 1596

[b]Cocoon Versus Palace[/b] 1432

[b]Cocoon, Wuppertal[/b] 1433, 1818, 1819

[b]Salon Mira[/b] 1442, 1443

[b]Car rental[/b] 1413, 1415

[b]Consigne de bagages[/b] 1504, 1505, 1506

[b]Clubs in NRW[/b] 1461, 1570, 1573

[b]Tipping[/b] 1466, 1470, 1471, 1472, 1475, 1476, 1477, 1478, 1480

[b]Razzia[/b] 1463, 1467, 1468, 1469, 1489

[b]Babylon, Elsdorf[/b] 1482

[b]Wiago, Leverkusen[/b] 1482

[b]Maastricht, clubs nearby[/b] 1486

[b]Clubs in Sachsen: Maxim, Europa[/b] 1805, 1806, 1817, 1820

[b]Deals on Entry Fee Pricing[/b] 1822, 1825

[b]A Guide to Proper Guest Behavior[/b] 1492, 1531

[b]FKK FAQ[/b] 1576

[b]Entering and Leaving[/b] 1767

[b]Montreal[/b] 1519

[b]Hessen reviews[/b] 1666

[b]Smoking[/b] 1533, 1534, 1535, 1537, 1538, 1555

[b]First P4P Experiences[/b] 1546, 1549, 1550, 1551

[b]Harem, Bad Lippspringe[/b] 1554

[b]FKK Duesseldorf, former Dolce Vita[/b] 1768

[b]Fucking Modes[/b] 1614, 1619, 1620, 1621, 1636, 1640, 1642

[b]Saunaaufgusszeremonie[/b] 1625

[b]Signs which indicate you have an FKK club obsession[/b] 1626

[b]Travel planning[/b] 1645, 1653

[b]Goldentime, Brueggen[/b] 1769 (includes train directions)
Hotels 1559, 1560

[b]Asians[/b] 1563

[b]PT Dorsten[/b] 1592

[b]Mini reviews[/b] 1686, 1694

Hi,
By coincident I ran into a German porn movie the other day apparently shot in a FKK location. Only being to a few of them I'm not sure of this fact, but it very much looked like a typical surrounding. Then down to my question; One of the blonde girls had distinct marks like a piercing above right eye and a large tattoo (more elsewhere as well) covering all the right hand side of her right (quite small) tit. Anyone that recognise this and knowing where she may be working?

To tell the truth I didn't like this guy's attitude at all. Revealing that he sees private women in their homes and gets sex for two hours for 100-150 euros and he expects to come in their mouths.....well, so the cheeky bugger gets away with it. I find it arrogant of him to boast like this. The normal rate is 150 an hour without any additional frills like cim, anal etc etc, everything else is extra. No wonder he doesn't like FKK clubs, because there he would have to pay what's expected and what I think the women have a right to be paid. Fifty for half an hour ain't that much.
He also has a very German attitude to sex. The bane of the sex industry are German men wanting it for practically nothing and without a condom. I do know of a 'housewife' who does it without a condom for 100 an hour. I think she is wrong and stupid. As for the men you might say who can blame them, but these same guys then go to other women with a more sensible price attitude and try to bargain the price down saying they can get it elsewhere cheaper. Such is the market in Germany with more pay sex than you could poke in a lifetime that the girls feel the competition instensely. Unlike the UK or USA where such bargain hunters are basically told to stuff it up their own a§§§es.

I'll be flying into Frankfurt in mid-March and plan on renting a car to visit several FKKs in the NRW area. I would welcome recommendations for economical car rental agencies from fellow mongers who have been there and done that.

Cheers,
WW