Seeking Arrangements

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;2566145]Jesus Christ, where do some of you guys come up with this stuff?

It is all economics.

American women, especially the younger ones, simply have economic and wealth equality with men. There is no making them heel.

Many of them do still sell sex, directly or indirectly, but they charge a small fortune for it. And they don't tend to sell it in large continuous blocks of time, like months and years, making a relationship built on money for sex unrealistic.

The solution for a great number of guys on ISG is simply to purchase that sex in a foreign venue where the income / wealth disparity between an American man and a foreign woman is very significant. She will indeed heel and shake hands and even fetch.

The foreign woman still likes to be petted on the head and called a good dog, particularly if she was raised in a fucked-up environment dictated by The Pope, who told her that sex was wrong. Hence the popularity of Seeking Arrangement and its mixing of relationships and commercial sex and the ability for the participants to emphasize relationships. This has always been the case in Latin America and the Philippines, where meeting ladies at malls and buying them things and going to dinner was part of the commercial sex scene long before the smartphone and the internet replaced the mall scene.

If you suddenly gave women in South America and Mexico tremendous income and wealth without creating inflation, they would almost immediately behave like young American women currently do. This is observed when an American man brings back to the USA A poor lady and marries her.

The debatable point in the last few posts is to what extent an American man seeking commercial sex should change his lifestyle to spend large amounts of time in Mexico and South America to enjoy the abundant sex scene that exists in those places for a wealthy man. Most guys would be forced to give up things they value and enjoy in the United States in order to do so. We are all different in that respect. And certainly life is more dangerous in those places than in a wealthy USA Suburb. Different things work for different people.[/QUOTE]I like the post Mongerer I do. Your view is fine if you look at sex as a commodity. I used to, but the thing is that money only motivates people so much. And that is the flaw in what you are saying. Again, I totally would agree with what you said years ago, and you are a smart guy but I can tell you that money alone does not get you the best sex. You are being too rational and neglecting the emotional.

I met my current novia on seeking. She never asked for a price. In fact, she fucked me so good and is so hot, my response was "What is wrong with you? You are too good to be true. " On her second date, I asked why. She said that I understood how she thought. She has been through an abusive relationship and she just wanted to be with a guy who got her and would not hurt her.

A lot of other guys would try to control her, tell her she is stupid for feeling the way you do because of her empathy, and use her as a trophy object. One of the things with women is that they are hard wired to feel empathy even when they do not want to. In the past, when a woman would see or hear something she did not like about someone else, I would mock them. I do not now. I understand when they see someone else being stabbed with a knife they feel it even if they do not want to. Unlike in the manosphere world, where it is all about building game with confusing compliments or negging, building muscles, and getting bucks, in the female world, there was a poll that showed women value kindness most of all in men. The next two most desired qualities were intelligence and emotional support. I think a smart guy looks at both worlds and picks the best from both.

And whereas men may be rational about money, we can become emotional too. I pay $1500 to $2000 every time I see my girl in travel and lodging expenses, and the truth is I do not care if it were double that. Why? Well, She came to see me at 2 AM when I got in last night. How many other women would have said I am tired? When I saw her, she ran to me, jumped into my arms, and DFKed me for 2 minutes in public. I have said before my gal could be a model on price is right. Does that have value to you? It does to me. If a woman that hot is that crazy about me, it tells others, "There is something with that guy, and it is not just money. ".

I bought her a Pixel 3 XL because of the great pictures it takes and showed it to her. She could have given a shit. She wanted my dick in her mouth and then in her pussy. The first thing she said to me was, "I missed you so much". The second was "I want to be with you every day".

We have had already had sex 5 X in 12 hours and she is asleep now. Technically speaking, I could pay for sex with a hottie in the USA, but the other part you are leaving out is the quality. The best sex is not just money for sex. There has to be an emotional component to it. I went the SB route because I wanted better sex, and I got it because there was an emotional component. Most times it was more fondness than what I would call love. I loved the women I was with as friends but I was not in love with them if you know what I mean. They were more like flawed friends whose company I enjoyed.

This sex is at a different level. The woman is sucking my dick out of love not for a buck, and it is the best of all. So any analysis that says you can get a blowjob from a woman for a lesser amount is meaningless to me. It is like comparing hamburger to Kobe beef. I gave up other woman partly because I did not want to lose her but also because the sex is so much better.

She modeled for a decade and draws more stares and honks than any woman I have ever been with. Could she find a richer guy, a more buffed guy, a more handsome one than me? Sure, but she will never find someone who gets her and cares about her like I do, and that has value. It varies from woman to woman as to how much but for her, that is all that mattered.

I see a lot of manosphere comments here, and I like the manosphere, but the problem with is that they think all women are the same and they are not, and they neglect the emotional.

The reason I have had the success I have is that I have fished in stocked ponds. In the USA, it is not just the money. There is a fucked up feminist culture to boot. I also have had confidence because I have gotten hot women before and have no issue talking with them unlike when I was younger. I also know what I like. And finally, I have had taken risks. If I did not have all the bad experiences and learned from them, I would not be where I am now. Each sugar baby relationship I had was a growing experience.

To get the best sex, you have to look at building the best relationships. The Hollywood types make it so money is not important at all. The mongers make it to be all about money. Again, take the best of both and form bonds.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2566275]I met my current novia on seeking. She never asked for a price. In fact, she fucked me so good and is so hot, my response was "What is wrong with you? You are too good to be true. " On her second date, I asked why. She said that I understood how she thought. She has been through an abusive relationship and she just wanted to be with a guy who got her and would not hurt her.

... in the female world, there was a poll that showed women value kindness most of all in men. The next two most desired qualities were intelligence and emotional support. I think a smart guy looks at both worlds and picks the best from both.

... She came to see me at 2 AM when I got in last night. How many other women would have said I am tired? When I saw her, she ran to me, jumped into my arms, and DFKed me for 2 minutes in public. I have said before my gal could be a model on price is right. Does that have value to you? It does to me. If a woman that hot is that crazy about me, it tells others, "There is something with that guy, and it is not just money. ".
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This sex is at a different level. The woman is sucking my dick out of love not for a buck, and it is the best of all. So any analysis that says you can get a blowjob from a woman for a lesser amount is meaningless to me. It is like comparing hamburger to Kobe beef. I gave up other woman partly because I did not want to lose her but also because the sex is so much better.

She modeled for a decade and draws more stares and honks than any woman I have ever been with. Could she find a richer guy, a more buffed guy, a more handsome one than me? Sure, but she will never find someone who gets her and cares about her like I do, and that has value. It varies from woman to woman as to how much but for her, that is all that mattered.

I see a lot of manosphere comments here, and I like the manosphere, but the problem with is that they think all women are the same and they are not, and they neglect the emotional.

The reason I have had the success I have is that I have fished in stocked ponds. In the USA, it is not just the money. There is a fucked up feminist culture to boot. I also have had confidence because I have gotten hot women before and have no issue talking with them unlike when I was younger. I also know what I like. And finally, I have had taken risks. If I did not have all the bad experiences and learned from them, I would not be where I am now. Each sugar baby relationship I had was a growing experience.

To get the best sex, you have to look at building the best relationships. The Hollywood types make it so money is not important at all. The mongers make it to be all about money. Again, take the best of both and form bonds.[/QUOTE]I totally agree that the emotional connection is so good and you hit the jackpot right now. I have been where you are and it's definitely not the money. However, when you spoke about that thing about her having been hurt in that other relationship, my alarm bells went up. I predict you the following: you're going to be a very happy man for a year or two. Once you actually stay together on a LTR basis you will see problems come up, and then the sex will go down, and then it may fall apart. Sad as it is. Enjoy why you have it. How to make anything like this long time workable is the secret that nobody knows really how to do.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2566224]Men need to stop paying taxes for all this welfare shit and the entire cushy airconditioned HR apparatus and other bureaucratic fake jobs which give the women the false sense of them being economically equal. It's mostly bullshit jobs that they do. Jobs that don't matter. Jobs that are subsidized by the tax money and foregone earnings of productive men.[/QUOTE]Some of this rings true, but I try to be more philosophical about it. Sometimes we only see what we want to see without perspective.

These bureaucratic fake jobs are more likely to exist in large, bureaucratic organizations. Smaller and less profitable organizations don't have time or money for this. These jobs always existed except thirty-forty years ago they were filled with members of the "boys club". You know those guys everyone likes to hang out with on the golf course or at the bar. Or he was a good friend of someone in the see-suite. However, no one could figure out what they did except fill up an office and a chair at meetings.

I find there are many competent women in various fields. Perhaps not as much in hardcore engineering. I've worked with many successful females in sales. There were always men in the group putting them down. At the end of the day, I don't care if she flirts with customers, talks about pregnancies with female customers as long as she delivers her targets. There are other areas of our organization where females bring education, challenging certifications, etc. And succeed. The more goal-oriented the job in a large organization, the more likely women (and minorities) will prove themselves.

Do large organizations (incl. Government) create bullshit jobs where some monkey college degree and dressing appropriately are the only prerequisites? Hell yes, but this has always been going on. Most of us don't work in pure meritocracies. Does this new dynamic challenge traditional male-female roles? Hell yes.

If you want the short version and condensed tips:

1. It pays to stay in touch with your girls. You never know when you will return. One might flake and ghost you. But another might be up for it. Just like when Krystal (fave from Vegas) kinda ghosted me so I flew Alexa to Miami. And now she's my new fave! Keep that Rolodex full. (Rolodex. LOL.).

2. Fat girls really do try harder. I know some guys are body only and face doesn't matter. And some need the whole package. And some are face guys. I am such that I MUST have the face but have stooped pretty low on body a few times and never been disappointed. I've never had a lame BJ from a fat girl. In fact I've had some of my best BJs in my life from fat girls. Kissing also. Super passionate. I'the say don't knock it till you have tried it. P.S. I am Viagra enhanced so I don't have to worry about the optics not lighting up mr Happy.

Full report follows.

So I was back in my old stomping grounds and started a couple weeks back to see what action I could find. I previously had a regular but she ghosted me. I tried out SA but blech. So bad in this town. So I pinged a girl I'the seen about a year ago and she was down to meet. I’d met her on SA but she is no longer on. And she’s the rare girl that had me to her apt on the first date, but really not a pro — just young and trusting. It pays to stay in touch with the harem.

Camilla is Mexican, has a gorgeous face and dynamite smile but unfortunately is heavy. But I knew this going in. And I also knew she's a pleaser that kisses great and gives a top ten BJ so I am happy to have her despite her weight. And what a sweet girl.

When I arrive at her place she's wearing a short thing that could be PJs? Not exactly lingerie but surely not street clothes. She had Regaetton playing in the bedroom which she remembered I like for this activity again a sweet and attentive girl.

We spend ten or so minutes catching up and I am just loving her smile and bubbly nature so I ask her to dance this is how we got the party started last time. We sway a bit and look into each others eyes but it's not long before we are making out and I am all hands all over.

She leads me to the bedroom where we continue to make out. We probably kiss for ten plus minutes. During this time we lose her clothes. I pull her down on top of me and we continue to make out. I massage her tits and suck her nipples some. We both like that.

But then roll her on her back and go to town. She's had her clit pieced since we were last together which she shows me with a girlish giggle. She went with a friend and then decided what the heck. Anyhow it makes it easy to find!

So I work her clit and have my index finger inside working her gspot and all around. It's a sloppy wet mess in there! Eventually I start doing more thumb on clit and finger inside and give my tongue a rest. She never has a crashing O but seems to enjoy it immmensely we go for prob 20 minutes of this.

When she's satisfied enough she says, Let me do you and we get going on that. Very sexy undressing me and getting my cock in her mouth. She starts with just the basic in and out BJ but slow and sexy like I like. I ask her to do my balls and that must jog her memory because she starts doing an amazing BJ with ball work.

She starts at my balls and sucks and licks them throroughly. And then puts her tongue flat at the base and takes it slow up the shaft. At the top she puts me in her mouth and goes deep. Several nice slides up and down. Then she reverses tongue down the shaft and starts on the balls again. OMG this is so good. You can tell by the look on her face that she LOVES sucking cock. Slow and sloppy and sensual.

This goes on forever. I get near the edge several times but this style she is doing with only a couple pumps then back to ball work, right when I feel the build, she is back on balls and I back off from the edge. This goes on and on! Normally the girls want to move on and I am wishing for more BJ. But in this case we do it for so long and she had me soooo worked up I am dying to fuck her.

So we grab our friend and suit up. Got back to my stash of Okamoto 01's and fuck they are tight. But felt good. Just stayed with mish the whole time my fave. Making out while fucking is just the best. As I feel the build I press up arms extended where I can really jam. Her face is so pretty. She looks me right in the eyes while I build and blow inside her. Sweetheart!

We cuddle and chat for 20 minutes or more when I get up to pee. And she gets me a water (sweetheart! I sip and we chat a bit more, her nestled in the crook of my arm. She's lightly stoking my side with her nails and as she goes lower I can feel some rise and ready for round two. She lifts her face to me and we engage tongues again and it's on.

We kiss again for a while and the rise is on. She starts stroking me and I feel her pussy and it's only a minute or so before I am hard and ready to go again. She heads down to the BJ and it's more of the awesome same technique. I push her hair aside so I can watch and she's really beautiful sucking cock.

She's down there a long time and it feels great but I am not near the edge. I am thinking maybe fucking will be needed to get to the final shot. But then she gets her hand involved. She gently cradles and starts massaging my balls. Fuck I LOVE BJ with ball massage. It's always the ticket and let her know by moaning some. She gets the message and switches hands but keeps on some amazing ball and shaft work. I am beginning to writhe and moan as I near the edge and bam! I start shooting in her mouth.

Some girls stop for some reason when you start cumming which I always find distracting and a bit unsatisfactory. But not Camilla. She keeps pumping and stroking as I unload in her mouth. She swallows with an amazing dynamite smile like I have given her an amazing gift and comes up the sheets for kiss and cuddle.

Wow that girl can BJ and is such a sweet girl. I truly enjoy my time with her. Def repeat.

Been reading the economics debate on here. Look, I think it's safe to say that many women are looking for BOTH love and money. However, some girls are foolishly idealistic and think that love is all that matters. And some girls have gotten so jaded that only money matters. On SA, you will occasionally find one or the other.

But with many gals, it's NOT one or another. Yeah, many need the cash, but many also need the love. These are the gals that I looked for, and was successful in finding (a little over two dozen gals in about 20 months).

In addition, some girls are on SA to have a good and fun time. They might need money too, but maybe don't need the love. They were great for one-off dates. But I only sought these when I was on the road. In my home turf, I didn't seek them.

For the ones that was only about the economics, I tried to avoid them altogether. But sometimes they faked the love pretty well and it took me a few dates before I realized that I was just a client.

Great report Steve. Another reminder that there's no point in explicitly breaking up with an SA gal. And, another reminder that once you fucked a girl, she's often DTF again in the future. I've had exes that got married or got a real BF, but still hooked up with me later. In their minds, it wasn't cheating since we had already fucked before. LOL. In fact, Steve, it's possible that your recent hookup now has a BF.

I am trying to message you. Thanks 😀.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2566664]Great report Steve. Another reminder that there's no point in explicitly breaking up with an SA gal.[/QUOTE]I have had some arrangement 'terminations' when I was thinking I wanted to be specific. In hindsight, I could probably have just been vague.

Two girls that I closed out last week I just left with a vague "I'm on a project for three weeks, will message you after. " I used three weeks which is more than enough time for them to know they need to and to find a replacement.

[QUOTE=Midwestern;2566664]Great report Steve. Another reminder that there's no point in explicitly breaking up with an SA gal. And, another reminder that once you fucked a girl, she's often DTF again in the future. I've had exes that got married or got a real BF, but still hooked up with me later. In their minds, it wasn't cheating since we had already fucked before. LOL. In fact, Steve, it's possible that your recent hookup now has a BF.[/QUOTE]Great advice. I usually just say I am taking a break or you can say you are having some financial issues.

[QUOTE=HelloIm;2566670]I am trying to message you. Thanks 😀.[/QUOTE]My box is clear.

[QUOTE=StinkySquid;2566364]However, when you spoke about that thing about her having been hurt in that other relationship, my alarm bells went up. I predict you the following: you're going to be a very happy man for a year or two. Once you actually stay together on a LTR basis you will see problems come up, and then the sex will go down, and then it may fall apart. Sad as it is. Enjoy why you have it. How to make anything like this long time workable is the secret that nobody knows really how to do.[/QUOTE]SS,

They have done studies on desire in relationship, and your time frame is about right. Apparently, the drive goes down more for women than for men. It was one reason I thought I would never commit to anyone.

Thing is if her desire was cut in half it would still be higher than most women, so we will see. I have a feeling she may be the exception but I know how lame that sounds.

As for being hurt, I talked to someone about this, and they said that the guy she was previously with did not feel worthy of her. He threatened her with all kinds of crazy things. I can see why. In some ways, she is too good to be true. Imagine a woman who draws stares from all kinds of guys, who has a sex drive where she wants to fuck all the time (hell, she was giving me a handjob in the cab tonight), but is kind and giving. She cooks for me and is good at it, likes to clean, has not asked for anything material, and whose favorite activity is cuddling with me in bed.

You would think with that high of a sex drive she has been with many men, but I am only her 4th guy. It sounds like BS right, but there really was not much point in saying now. Some people just get no desire having sex with any one but their chose partner. I am not like that, but her personality type is.

So yeah, you are right. That is the course of a typical relationship, but she is anything but typical. Usually the hottest women are the most crazy but so far I have not seen that at all.

Since I haven't been able to get back to the Philippines, I've been traveling to Bogota and Tijuana every other month. I can only stay for the work week since travel for work is my cover story. Anyway, I've got a couple of cuties in Tijuana and Bogota is an amazing hunting grounds on SA. But flights to both locations are ridiculously expensive on the next week I can get away. So, I was thinking of trying a new location preferably within a 5 hour flight of the east coast and where there are plentiful hotties on SA. Any recommendations?

So traveling again soon and going to a big city. Pretty fair number of girls there and I am sure I could find something. But M (see recent FR) is itching to see me and DAMN was she a find. So even tho she will fly in on Friday night and out again Sunday night it seems worth it. Have to get hotel anyhow so it's just airfare all other costs are the same. So it seems like $400 is a small price to pay when your getting a hottie who you know you have chemistry with and will enjoy all your time together.

Plus. I gotta say I kinda like the “real SD” feel of flying girls and putting them up at a nice hotel I can go shag them at any time I like. It’s just kinda mega cool. Going to pull the trigger on this quite soon.

[QUOTE=ShadowJ;2567365]Since I haven't been able to get back to the Philippines, I've been traveling to Bogota and Tijuana every other month. I can only stay for the work week since travel for work is my cover story. Anyway, I've got a couple of cuties in Tijuana and Bogota is an amazing hunting grounds on SA. But flights to both locations are ridiculously expensive on the next week I can get away. So, I was thinking of trying a new location preferably within a 5 hour flight of the east coast and where there are plentiful hotties on SA. Any recommendations?[/QUOTE]Top three choices would be Monterrey, Mexico City, and Guadalajara in that order.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2567560]So traveling again soon and going to a big city. Pretty fair number of girls there and I am sure I could find something. But M (see recent FR) is itching to see me and DAMN was she a find. So even tho she will fly in on Friday night and out again Sunday night it seems worth it. Have to get hotel anyhow so it's just airfare all other costs are the same. So it seems like $400 is a small price to pay when your getting a hottie who you know you have chemistry with and will enjoy all your time together.

Plus. I gotta say I kinda like the real SD feel of flying girls and putting them up at a nice hotel I can go shag them at any time I like. Its just kinda mega cool. Going to pull the trigger on this quite soon.[/QUOTE]Flights and hotels all booked. Super excited. Had her book everything in her name and cashapped her. She sent back confirmation pics. Looks all good. Excited. SA at its finest! 🙏.