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[quote=ilovetits; 1280633]now one question. when i sat down, she just pulled down my jeans and my pants, that's it. t-shirt on. she fully dressed.

is that only in these cheap bar like that? how is it in the upper class bj bars like dr. bj, lollitas, lollipop?

do you get naked there? t-shirt on or off? jeans just down or put if off? the girls, do they get naked or put the t-shirt off? i don't want to end up that the girls in one of these places start laughing when i undress because you usually don't do it.

please help.

by the way, it was 800 baht[/quote]firstly at a real bj bar you should be able to get a super blow-job, otherwise the staff member that gives a bad one is pretty useless. i have only ever met once at a blow job bar one girl whose bj was rather ordinary and who wouldn't go topless. now i am not a frequent attender either but hopefully only a small percentage of girls are really poor performers even if their looks are very plain.

as for dress, if you are in a private cubicle or curtained off, you can certainly take all your clothes off no problem at all. if you are in a public area, then it depends on the local rules. e. g. in some bars, like star of light, kangaroo, rose, in former times (i haven't been for a long time) you could molest girls and get their clothes off in the bar. sometimes, if they were shy, they would ask to go to back room to actually fuck.

[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] has very strict rules with no playing up in the bar area downstairs, but once go upstairs then serious playing up is allowed. this fails to make [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] into a high class place. high class and bj bars is a contradiction in terms really.

i recently looked into dr. bj and was pleasantly surprised that the place wasn't too shabby looking at all (well decorated), and the "consultant" lineup were better looking than i expected, without being quite like models of course. aey (annies manager / owner) was managing from about 9pm onward that day. standard of the girls looks in general was significantly better than other blow-job bars i have experienced. most bj bars have maybe just one or two acceptable looking girls that are usually busy. dr bj was better than that. my assessment was that its a quite good set-up and good for a guy needing a quick release. in my case, i received 3 phone calls from the gf during the bj and she was non the wiser that i was playing up. we arranged to meet for dinner at a restaurant in 25 mins time. i was able to get the bj done and make it to the restaurant before her easily, by motorcycle. the girl asked me just how i liked it and she delivered exactly and followed any instructions well. she wasn't quite a deap throat specialist, but i would give high marks anyway. she was willing to get topless and i didn't ask her to take everything off (i have been known to). as i had already had longish sex session earlier, i was feeling a bit lazy, so bbbj with cim was just perfect. i nearly forgot to mention that each cubicle seems to have its own washing up facilities which is better than most places (if not all).

when i am looking for stunners, i will go to other places, but a bj bar can still fit a special purpose when time is very limited, or i need the flexibility to finish up quickly. i feel the owners are looking at making good money and at the same time doing a good social service by providing a way for girls to make good money to support their child or family, without being absolutely top shelf in looks, or maybe that they are unable to sell full sex due to medical issues, etc. the same girls in an ordinary mp giving bj may really struggle to make enough money simply because there are hundreds of mps and countless girls doing that. the competition is immense. but for dr. bj, the serious competition is rather limited.

most of you know i am not an overly critical writer and i don't look for lots of things to criticise. if something really strikes me as bad i would say so though. having seen the worst of the worst before, i would have to say dr. bj would currently be my first choice for a bj bar. if it wasn't good enough, i would have simply left and moved on to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] most likely.

however i am not sure if it provides for exhibitionists. for fucking in the public bar, probably sol is probably going to be the place (i never wanted to go in the cramped back room there).

next time at dr. bj i will probably step up and take more than one girl, to get an even more special service. i like to be licked and sucked concurrently and most girls have only one mouth unfortunately ;) its a lot cheaper than taking two girls out from a gogo bar. :)

[QUOTE=Traveler1234]Yes, OTH was an old asian hand by virtue of having resided in the Kingdom for many years. He contributed to ISG and had many supporters.

But at the same time, he was too arrogant, and a constant whiner. He finally got caught with his hands in the cookie jar too many times and made himself 'persona non-grata' with the same hands that fed him all these years.[/QUOTE]OTH was very knowlegable but spoiled it at times with extreme vitriolic negativity that made him appear just a little psycho to me. It was hard to understand how he could tolerated to remain here in Thailand based on what he wrote. The hate seemed strong. I don't claim to know what happened in the end, other than he seemed to be ejected from ISG for his writings going beyond the regulator's boundaries, or did he wish to go himself?

Of course taking money to do a job, doesn't mean have to be an absolute yes man and bow down. We all break the rules, its simply a matter of being careful not to get caught easily.

[QUOTE=Bowerboy; 1280539]Big deal. Another of your silly screen shots that mean nothing.

More meaningless drivel to add to your 3, 600 other posts of holier than thou nonsense[/QUOTE]When you are as long in business as NF is, then you will see it with different eyes. NF is doing this already long time and we all can share from his experience, so please be patiened with your comments on others experienec.

Maybe you not get the advises and comments you like, so better try to communicate in the forum and let us know about your experiences and adventures

[QUOTE=Oidar; 1280701]Ok, we all agree there is no such thing as free pussy.

My apartment gets me laid. Period.

Anybody can lure a girl to thier place once, the key is getting them to come back. If you are living near Khoa San Road with a bunch of hippies and meth addicts walking around or worse like the 24-7 traffic jam that is Nonthaburi, your chances of some repeat action are not that good.

Secondly, if you do get a regular girlfriend, and the only place either one of you can get some privacy is the shitter, the relationship is doomed. I speak from experience. I know guys who think they are so clever because they choose to live in some dump and have money for mongering on a daily basis. Hell, I used to be the same.

Roof top pools, exercise rooms, a couple of flat screens tvs, plenty of parking, and no assholes hanging around will get you more trim in the long run than daily trips to some massage shop or bar.[/QUOTE]Why bother with bringing a girl in to spoil that type of paradise with her bloody stinky vag and her dirty feet?

Just stay home alone and swim in your pool and then make sweet love to your sofa cushions.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1280662]When everything was going down two years ago, I was a supporter of OTH, and I gave my many reasons to Jackson. During that period I spend hours reviewing all of OTH post and exchanges with other members. Sure he might have been arrogant but who isn't from time to time on this board?[/QUOTE]FWIW, my opinion of OTH has nothing to do what transpired with the events that led Jackson to ban him from ISG. As I mentioned in my earlier post, he was a major contributor, both with his comments and his many pictures of the more fair skinned non P4p gals he conquered. However, I was just never one of his fans from day 1. And I'm sure many feel the same about me!

[QUOTE=Werqweq; 1280640]Well, for what it's worth, the guy at.

[url]http://www.livingthai.org/[/url]

, who, like NicFrenchy I understand, also appears to be able to both speak and read / write Thai, has an approach that sounds much closer to NicFrenchy's than to your friend's. It does not sound like the guy has much experience or interest in bonking fat, ugly, or 25+ year old girls either. So I don't think it's logical to say that NicFrenchy's approach is uterly wrong. Clearly it works well for both him and at least one other person, who are somewhat unique in that they can read / write Thai. The livingthai-guy also indicates that the Thai online-world is full of young girls looking for sex, so I'm currently doing my best to learn Thai.

My own online-dating experience goes a couple years back, but has for the most part been a waste of time. Unfortunately, I do not know Thai, so am limited to the English-language sites. The one or two handful of times I have actually met somebody, I have however always either sexed them the the first night, or when they turned up they also turned up to be somebody I would not want to sex. In all cases where I did sex them the first night, repeat performances were available, so having sex with me on the first night does not seem to have carried any noticeable stigma. I thus see no value in your friends "holding out" on sex until the second time. What is he trying to accomplish by that? Make them think he is gay, scarred of women, or not interested? Or does he spin some fable about how the woman is "too special to him" for him to have sex with her on the first night? Why not take it a step further even, and on the second night, instead of having sex, just lay in bed holding hands and kissing lightly? Perhaps on the third night they could get naked, and on the fourth finally have sex? Really, I don't understand the point of this.[/QUOTE]Weeweq, I am not surprised it was a waste of time for you. What this guy is saying is basically exactly the same as what I am saying:

Hos words below.

"Where To Meet.

The first meeting is always the most important but it's not a time to wow and impress the girl, it should be very casual. If your the kind of guy that isn't good at getting a girl into bed on the first date then I suggest you make the first meeting a meet and greet and make it as short as possible.

Never and I mean never let her tell you where to meet, always and I can't stress this enough make sure she meets you where you tell her to meet. Thai girls are hopeless at giving directions so if she tells you where to meet it's likely you'll get lost, but the real reason you want to tell her where to meet is because Thai girls like it when a guy takes charge and tells them where and what to do. Decision making is not part of the Thai makeup.

Like I said you don't need to impress the girl on the first date by taking her to some fancy restaurant or spending a mint. It should simply be coffee or a bowl of noodles say hi if your feeling it try to get her home but if you think she won't and needs more time then take her to.

Internet Date to the bedroom.

Thai's can be pretty conservative when they talk about taboo subjects like sex but just because they don't talk about it and act like they don't like it they still do. Saying to a Thai girl that you want to take her home and fuck her brains out isn't going to get you anywhere. BUT the classic 'come back to my place and watch a movie' always works. She knows what's going to happen and if she says 'Just watch a movie right? ' then you still need to be a little conservative and with a smile say 'watch the movie but we may kiss and cuddle but no sex'. She will feel more comfortable about you saying this and will likely go along with you and have sex with you regardless.

Like I mentioned earlier Thai girls like a guy who takes charge so make sure you've got the balls to actually be straight up with her. Don't ask her tell her, see how I said 'come back to my place' it wasn't a question it was an order, give a girl a question and she'll find an answer you don't want to her. Limit the amount of choices she has to make by telling her how it is.

Best of luck guys if you have any questions please use the comments section below"

I doubt very much that Nic reads, writes and speaks Thai. If he did he would of spouted endlessly about it long before now, he is that kind of guy by the look of his posts.

My Internet System.

This is what I wrote on this forum 14 months ago that is still correct now. Follow this and you will unlimted FREE pussy on tap (there absolutely IS such a thing as 100 % free pussy in Bangkok, DEFINITELY).

I have 3 preset message templates. 1st Message, Reply to First Message, Third Message.

If I haven't got the phone number and agreement to meet for coffee by message 3 then I abandon that prospect (there is a right way to ask for the phone number and a wrong way. I am not giving up all my secrets)!

I never talk about sex or anything remotely like that in the messages.

I tell them I don't have time to msn or chat but much prefer to meet in person (there is a right way to ask and a wrong way. I am not giving up all my secrets)!

Arrange to meet for coffee (never lunch or dinner, too big a commitment and too expensive and no easy bail out)

Choose a cheap coffee shop very close (3 minutes walk) to your apartment (Starbucks too expensive if pursuing many leads).

Never think about sex on the first date (unless it is blindingly obvious). Meet for coffee only and be super nice and super polite (I used to aim for sex on first date but the strike rate is low compared to the long term benefits of the patient approach. Aiming for sex on first date is for amateurs and everyone is trying that. Possible 5 years ago but game has changed now).

Tell them you have a really nice apartment and would love to show them your place next time you meet.

Send a thank you sms and other occasional sms messages (but not too many, just have a nice day and so on to stay on the radar).

Next date tell them you are feeling very lazy but would love to see them and invite them to your apartment (there is a right way to ask them to your apartment and a wrong way. I am not giving up all my secrets)!

If they come then its game on (always assume they will be late for all dates by the way, which is why it's important the coffee shop you meet at be near your place. Only stop what you are doing and proceed to rendevous when they have confirmed their arrival).

I have a large sofa with an additional small one seater. When they come to your apartment ensure the one seater is full of cushions so they can't sit there (they will be isolated and you can't get them out of that seat).

Once they are sat on the sofa, you sit on the one seater and they start to relax. Put on music make them laugh a bit talk for a while and so on.

Get up and get them a drink or go to the toilet and then sit on the sofa next to them and hold their hand.

If they don't object out then its game on! If they object then apologise and be super polite and move back to your seat (they love this as they know they are safe in your hands and these are the ones that crop up later as referenced below).

The approximate stats.

Send 20 messages.

Get 10 replies.

From those replies get 6 numbers.

From those 6 numbers meet 4.

2 will come to your apartment.

You will bang 1 that comes to your apartment (but many more later as per below).

Now here is the interesting part and the BEAUTY of Thailand and Thai girls. The above may all sound like a lot of effort but there is a compounding effect that kicks in around the 6 to 8 week mark assuming you have been disciplined in sending 10 to 20 messages per day.

What happens is that you never come on or off a Thai girls radar you simply move up and down their priority list. All of a sudden you will start getting random calls at all hours from girls you met weeks ago that now want to meet and when you tell them fine but only for sex they always agree (that's why they are calling you anyway).

It is more or less a pure numbers game and if you religiously follow the discipline of sending messages every day then in 6 to 8 weeks you will be banging more Thai girls (and I mean office workers and so called real girls) than you know what to do with. Your head will be spinning and you can have sex two to three times a day with different girls. I cannot stress enough that this will NOT happen straight away. It takes discipline and perseverance but the dividends are phenomenal. You simply will not be able to keep up after the 6 to 8 week mark. Fortunately many people haven't worked this out and give up in the first week after not getting laid.

Surprisingly (or actually no surprise at all) the BEST online hunting hours are Monday to Friday from 9am to 5pm (although 3pm to 5pm is prime time). Office girls busy in the office!

I am only interested in so called 'office' or 'real' girls (I call them civilians) and here are some tips for identifying non real girls:

Works in Salon.

Can play pool.

Knows Gullivers on Soi 5.

No Job.

Have Own Business – Question Mark.

Knows Q Bar and Spassos.

Knows Climax in Soi 11.

Under no circumstances do I pay any of the girls and I beleive they would be offended if I did. If they look like the type who want payment or commitment I abandon that prospect.

Hope this helps. Be warned you will need spreadsheets and detailed descriptions on your phone as things spiral out of control (I am 100% serious about that).

Happy Hunting

[QUOTE=Traveler1234;1280820]FWIW, my opinion of OTH has nothing to do what transpired with the events that led Jackson to ban him from ISG. As I mentioned in my earlier post, he was a major contributor, both with his comments and his many pictures of the more fair skinned non P4p gals he conquered. However, I was just never one of his fans from day 1. And I'm sure many feel the same about me![/QUOTE]T1234,

My response to you was not so much on him being banned or that you weren't a fan of his from day 1, and I'm sure many feel the same as you noted and I respect that! My main point was he was being attacked by unknowns for expressing his views that was just recently expressed as " extreme vitriolic negativity " after reviewing his post I never saw his post as being such. He was a normal inidvidual who was living in a different country like so many of us and expressing his opinion as to those experiences. Others who didn't agree with him (maybe not you) instead of dealing with it went complaining or whining to Jackson. He's label a whiner but he never did what those who called him a whiner and went to Jackson. People get frustrated and express them in different ways and when he got backstabbed in his job he expressed them on this forum better that than what I did a few years back using physical force on a Thai and his family because I was so pissed. See! Why is it so hard for others to understand that a foreigner living in Thailand or any other country have the right to speak out even if it is negative. Some seem to firmly believe just because we weren't born here have no right to express anything negative when we are getting backstabbed! OTH, lived and experience life in Thailand some good some bad and many accused him of being less and said he couldn't make it in his own country and to go back!

As you noted he got his hand caught in the cookie jar too many times? He never said anything that required being force out! Remember it takes two to tangle and he tangle the big difference others went running to the Jackson. I could name you a dozen or so members who have posted much more hateful contribution and never had they been pushed aside like OTH.

Agree or disagree, OTH made good contributions and had his fans and non-fans like yourself and it should have been left at that instead a few wanted him banned and got their way! Because of that it was the start of this forum looking the way it does when one logs on and so many members now are complaining to Jackson when they don't hear things exactly the way they want it or the topic isn't just right! Today, the Internet is a great tool but at the same time made so many cowards?

LBM

[QUOTE=Daddy07;1280672]No need to get your panties in a bunch about it. I wasn't asking for your life story, and by the way I was defending you in case you didn't notice that.[/QUOTE]Mate, it wasn't for you, I know you didn't say that in a negative way. It was for the Boy and his Germans. Next time I'll make a nice Spreadsheet for him.

[QUOTE=LittleBigMan;1280662]OTH never went to Jackson because he couldn't get others to agree with him. Those are the whiners who didn't have the balls to identify themselves instead ask Jackson to do the dirty work for them they attack him personally the first opportunity they got or went to Jackson.[/QUOTE]Yes, you're absolutely right, would love to know who these whiners were, but we'll never know.

[QUOTE=Oidar;1280701]Roof top pools, exercise rooms, a couple of flat screens tvs, plenty of parking, and no assholes hanging around will get you more trim in the long run than daily trips to some massage shop or bar.[/QUOTE]I think it's 2 different things. I don't really mix regular girls with P4P.

For me, my first 5 years in Thailand were all about P4P, I tried every possible shop and bedded many many girls that you see in the Oilies today. Got tired of that after a while, and a buddy of mine (an Old Asia Hand) introduced me to the Online dating.

Didn't really care for it at first but grew to like the game and came up with a system that got me the results I needed. (no spreadsheets required).

Grew tired of that. Mostly because once I bedded these girls, they wanted to come back but unless they were really good, I did not want to see them again. I don't want a relationship and not looking for a steady GF. I then decided that maybe P4P is better for me.

It's a matter of perspective, but I would not mix the 2.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1280852]I think it's 2 different things. I don't really mix regular girls with P4P.

For me, my first 5 years in Thailand were all about P4P, I tried every possible shop and bedded many many girls that you see in the Oilies today. Got tired of that after a while, and a buddy of mine (an Old Asia Hand) introduced me to the Online dating.

Didn't really care for it at first but grew to like the game and came up with a system that got me the results I needed. (no spreadsheets required).

Grew tired of that. Mostly because once I bedded these girls, they wanted to come back but unless they were really good, I did not want to see them again. I don't want a relationship and not looking for a steady GF. I then decided that maybe P4P is better for me.

It's a matter of perspective, but I would not mix the 2.[/QUOTE]Nic why don't you share with us your exact online system. I mean how do you do it and your success rate. What works, what doesn't etc.

It would be nice to see something useful for others.

For the record I do not know anyone who has been here 5 years plus, who has had success with "civilians" and then goes back to P4P (perhaps with the exception of those now in a serious relationship). I suspect your system targets the WRONG girls which is why you have the issues you mention.

[QUOTE=Bowerboy; 1280853]Nic why don't you share with us your exact online system. I mean how do you do it and your success rate. What works, what doesn't etc.

It would be nice to see something useful for others.[/QUOTE]I am actually impressed with that post of yours! For once you ask the right questions without any spiteful remarks. You asked so nicely that I will share it.

[quote]For the record I do not know anyone who has been here 5 years plus, who has had success with "civilians" and then goes back to P4P (perhaps with the exception of those now in a serious relationship). I suspect your system targets the WRONG girls which is why you have the issues you mention.[/QUOTE]It's all a matter of perspective, where you believe one needs to contact 20 girls to bed 1, I believe one needs to work on the 3 girls one wants to bed, and Thailand being Thailand, your chances are high (well, provided one does not look like Quasimodo).

[QUOTE=Bowerboy;1280853]I mean how do you do it and your success rate[/QUOTE]One more thing, Success rate? I never look at things this way. But if I look at your post, message 20 and get 1 to bed, that is a 5% conversion Ratio (that's how you like to look at it right?) I think this is pretty low. In fact if you count all 20 messages go to the 3rd message to get the girl's number, that's 60 messages which brings down the conversion to 1. 6%

At that rate, many here would just go running to Tulip, Mango or the likes.

Different strokes for different folks, there is no BETTER system. The thing is one has to go with what system suits him. It's that simple.