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Tasss,
One few questions about whether you can get LT or not.
Are you in decent physical shape?
Do you smoke? A lot? Are you coughing and hacking in the room?
Are you mostly drunk?
Their are some posters here that will say none of this will make a difference. But I totally say BS to that.
DG8787.
[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1830740]Have to respectfully disagree about waitresses especially in large bars with many staff.
[/QUOTE]Agree with most of what you said, especially in the larger bars, but even in the smaller bars they will usually steer you towards their friends or a girl who has not been bar fined in while (and consequently will give the waitress or mama a larger commission). About the only time I consult a mama or waitress is if I want something specific like a bi girl (lesbian as they call them here) or a 3 holer.
As to conversation, it's a crap shoot, but as others have said the majority are uneducated province girls with a lot of space between their ears.
At Tass.
One tatic for checking out the talent in some of the smaller bars is to simply tell the door girl who escorts you in or the waitress that you're looking for your friend. Then take walk thru the bar and check out the girls.
If you see some you like then buying yourself a drink, even just a soda or juice, is pretty much a given. To get rid of the pesky waitresses or bar girls who want to sit with you then you and want you buy them LD's then you need to learn a simple phrase: "In a while". In Pinay speak that can mean anything from a few seconds to never, LOL. Simply ask them to leave and tell them "maybe in while".
I always tip the waitress who brings my drinks, but then again I'm not a koripot budget traveler.
[QUOTE=Pantot;1830315]Thom nice reports.
In my opinion 33 is way too young to appreciate the youngish girls of the philipines. Their patronizing treatment of foriegners will be better apprecated by older men in their 50's 60's 70's etc,. Its not a good place for men looking for females close to their own age. Especially Angeles, its not exactly a college town although the girls are of that age.
.[/QUOTE]Absolutely agree with the 'patronizing' treatment. They make you feel like a king, fold your clothes, wash your back, polish your balls, swallow, carry bags, buy Globe load.
I find it is best to have a life outside of relying on them for conversation though.
Chris long,
Your idea of only buying single lady drinks to girls who say they will barfine is not fool proof IMHO, here's why.
Most bars have very few girls that are slim attractive or are my type, the type of girls I am attracted to have many choices, many asian guys willing to buy them many dld, s,
Now if one wants to stand a chance of maybe getting the top girls to barfine I find buying at least 1 dld is a good start.most top girls just do not accept sld,s even if they are the barfining type,its all about the money,top girls want guys that buy many dlds and show their willing to spend big,
After all, why would a top looking girl want to spend her time with a punter who only wants to buy a sld when she can sit with others that are willing to buy dld, s,tip her large, buy ballons. Make it rain etc etc, I know if I was a prostitute where I would spend my time.
As for buying drinks only for girls that promise of barfining, what's to stop the girl accepting the drinks, excusing herself to go to the loo and returning to claim she is sorry but she had started her period, or she has developed a stomach ache,a headache etc etc or even worse accepting the barfine and claiming she has mens back at the room when its to late to get any cash back,
[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1830723]I think the best advice to give you is to be very patient, yes a high majority of pretty / slim bargirls have no intention of barfining with anyone or they are very selective on who they will barfine with, accept this fact, if you want these type of girls then the only way to get them is to take the chance of buying them at least one drink, if they make excuses not to barfine then move on to the next, yes I know its a very frustrating and expensive way to do buisness but that is the new angeles city for you, no other choice where bars are concerned unfortunately.[/QUOTE]I think most all girls in the bar barfine even the young hot ones slim whatever. The entire culture there is conditioned to make you think if they don't want you it because they don't want anyone. Its simply not true. If you have game you can get the girls to go. If they don't want the whole system is evolved to let you down gracefully and not let you / them lose face. I suppose if you live there and are a denizen that gets to know the culture initmately on a daily basis for months on end you might be able make that judgement. But all almost all young hot tight girls are there to move to the next level of they find a possible 'Mr. Right".
[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1830723]Do not fall for the pressure sales from waitresses, bargirls, mamasans to buy everyone a drink, tip everyone, spend what you feel ok with not what they are ok with, as you have found out already buying drinks is no guarantee of getting laid in angeles, far from it. buy only the 1 dld and only for the girl i am interested in and nobody else in is how i roll in angeles,[/QUOTE]Yes they are used to getting rejected, buy the drinks for the girls you want to get to know better only. The loud waitress or mamsan will only inhibit you from getting toknow the girl you want to actually fuck better.
[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1830723]Want pinays that fuck for a living then Manila is a much better and a much easier choice but also much more expensive IMHO.[/QUOTE]AC girls are 90% amatuers which is what I want very true.
[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1830723]Have to respectfully disagree about waitresses especially in large bars with many staff.
Firstly who is to say that waitress knows any of the girls or is friends with any of the girls, she could have just started work that same day in the bar or last week and know very little of what goes on or who does what,of course if you offer to buy her a drink she will accept and maybe lie/bullshit,its all about the easy money she can earn not the welfare of the punter imho [/QUOTE]This is 100% true. How can any waitress know what I like? The girls are actually closely tight lipped about thier personally predilictions in the sack. Its a very conservative culture even in the bars. I suppose for example if you are obsessed with anal and one girl was famous for it or 3 somes etc it could help you. For me I am hopelessly conventional and no waitress / mamsan could know what makes me and a specific girl click.
Finally just an observation on the whole AC bargirls aren't like what they used to be and don't want to get barfined riff, its overblown. Is there a minute percentage that think thier shit doesn't stink or are kept women by some foriegner? Yeah but its so tiny. If they were truly taken care of they wouldn't be in AC. They will go with the right guy, just because its not you doesn't mean its no one. Maybe it was you 10 years ago but not you now. My game is on its waning crescent for sure. I still sometimes get 18 to 21 yo fresh girls where they all say, waitresses and mamsans, wow she doesn't go with anyone! But I know that won't last and often its BS. Its all alot of bullshit I know one day sooner rather than later they will run from me. Enjoy it while it lasts -to paraphrase cesaer, I think? The fault lies not in the bargirls dear brutus but in oursleves.
Panlot,
agree with some of your post and respectfully not with other points.
Claiming anyone who has game can get the lookers to go is not my experience and not the experience of many of the younger / fit / good looking guys I have barhopped with in angeles.some only in their late 20s early 30s with all the good looks and game in the world,
Hell, some times the guys i was with were prettier / younger with better bodies than the bargirl and still got shot down.
What I and many are saying is that many of the better looking girls have worked out that they can earn far more cash staying in the bar and earning high drinks commisions, tips etc than to take the often much lower paid barfine option.
I know top angeles girls that are close friends that earn large amounts per month without fucking anyone, combining their salary, commisions and the love sick that insist on sending / giving monthly payments by western union mostly without even meeting the girl and they do very nicely indeed,
Girls not accepting barfine or making excuses not to barfine is a very wide spread problem in angeles as had been reported in almost all recent trip reports by members.
Yes I agree that guys should be clean, well mannered, brush their teeth, not be drunk etc etc but to the girls that have the looks and the body to earn large sums by not barfining this means very little, it is not a personal thing, she goes where the easy / most money is, after all she is a working girl so to be expected to chase the easy money IMHO.
[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1830848]Girls not accepting barfine or making excuses not to barfine is a very wide spread problem in angeles as had been reported in almost all recent trip reports by members.
[/QUOTE]Again, if this is the new normal in AC, then I don't know why you guys put up with it. In Manila, better looking, friendlier, and more savvy girls are just waiting for punters to walk into their bar so they can show you a good time, unless you are a troglodyte or something else is seriously wrong with you.
So IMHO, it sounds like the AC bar culture has gone to the shit house if what you, NapaSlapper, and others are saying is correct. I don't know because I was last in AC in 2014 and had a pretty good time with a few great gals I met in Grand Pharaoh (Golden Nile), La Bamba, and Shipwrecked (then One Eyed Wench). I always preferred punting in Manila even back then because I like hanging out in the big city over a small town. There is more to do and I like the anonymity in big city landscapes. I never much liked Atlantis or Dollhouse. Even in 2014, it seemed to me that Atlantis and Dollhouse girls had their heads up their asses and all but a few of their girls were actually that good looking and worth it. I hate the MC guy too. He reminds me of an AM radio DJ circa the 60's and the Vietnam War.
Prior to the year of the raids, AC used to be one of the great watering holes in Asia. It has always been a sleazy one horse town, but it was our town and a lotta fun, with very accommodating girls and prices that were the lowest in Asia except for Phnom Penh. It's interesting to note that the P4P scene has also deteriorated sharply in Phomn Penh since 2010 with many hostess girls on their "mens" when it gets time to barfine them. Thank Buddha that Manila, BKK, Pattaya, and Jakarta are still great although prices in these places keep going up.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1830929]Again, if this is the new normal in AC, then I don't know why you guys put up with it. In Manila, better looking, friendlier, and more savvy girls are just waiting for punters to walk into their bar so they can show you a good time, unless you are a troglodyte or something else is seriously wrong with you..[/QUOTE]Its not the new normal in AC. This bizarre new narrative that a healthy percentage of the hottest AC bargirls don't barfine is just BS.
Are they more selective than the past? Hell yes that's a good thing. Its a sign of progress when girls actually choose to fuck guys they want to and not because they are obligated by the bar.
It sounds like guys making defensive excuses about why them and thier adonis buddies get rejected. Hey sometimes you are not the girls type. Young old asian, white, buff, slovenly, well dressed, incredible game whatever. Remember your game may not be thier ideal goal. Don't make excuses and blame the girls attitude. The waitresses mamasans will all tell you what you want to hear to soothe your ego I don't care how much you think you are an insider. You are not unless you are a filipino.
Look I have no agenda to promote AC. I have no vested interest. I don't have skin in the game but I go there quite a bit for many years. Recently there was a back and forth here where someone concluded Christmas and New Years was the wrong time to visit because the place was 'dead'. Ok then don't go. I don't know what dead means. The bars were all open exactly as any day of the year. The girl to monger ratio didn't change. The weather is much more temperate in that time of the year although this year it did rain quite a bit. But I'm not there to play golf and they have umbrellas so who cares?
AC is not for everyone but 98% of the girls are available, but maybe not to you so don't take it personally. Thats life in 2016 and thankfully the girls have choices and excercise them.
[QUOTE=Dg8787;1830743]1. There really isn't any common interests both of you will have for a conversation other than the weather. SNIP
2. To break the ice, SNIP
3. I always stock combs, toothbrushes, shampoo and hair conditioner SNIP
[/QUOTE]4. As pointed out in another thread, chocolates are a great way to keep the girl around for long. I usually pile up some Toblerones and Hersheys Kisses on the study table. Girls squeal in delight when they see it and I tell them they can take some of it when they leave in the morning (thereby implying that she needs to stay for long time). Some girls don't get the hint and then I have to explain clearly that the chocolate is an incentive for staying long time. Other stuff like chips, peanuts, etc could also be used as bait, but none of these are as effective as chocolate.
As for conversation I have always found food to be a great ice breaker. Although I will opine that Filipino food is among the worst cuisines I have come across, it still makes interesting conversation. Also, you can talk about music if you are into it. Most Pinays are good with music. You could ask her to dance in private for you and applaud her on every move, she will love it.
[QUOTE=Pantot;1830949]Its not the new normal in AC. This bizarre new narrative that a healthy percentage of the hottest AC bargirls don't barfine is just BS.
Are they more selective than the past? Hell yes that's a good thing. Its a sign of progress when girls actually choose to fuck guys they want to and not because they are obligated by the bar.
It sounds like guys making defensive excuses about why them and thier adonis buddies get rejected. Hey sometimes you are not the girls type. Young old asian, white, buff, slovenly, well dressed, incredible game whatever. Remember your game may not be thier ideal goal. Don't make excuses and blame the girls attitude. The waitresses mamasans will all tell you what you want to hear to soothe your ego I don't care how much you think you are an insider. You are not unless you are a filipino.
Look I have no agenda to promote AC. I have no vested interest. I don't have skin in the game but I go there quite a bit for many years. Recently there was a back and forth here where someone concluded Christmas and New Years was the wrong time to visit because the place was 'dead'. Ok then don't go. I don't know what dead means. The bars were all open exactly as any day of the year. The girl to monger ratio didn't change. The weather is much more temperate in that time of the year although this year it did rain quite a bit. But I'm not there to play golf and they have umbrellas so who cares?
AC is not for everyone but 98% of the girls are available, but maybe not to you so don't take it personally. Thats life in 2016 and thankfully the girls have choices and exercise them.[/QUOTE]I have to agree with Pantot. I was in Manila from 27 Dec to 30 Dec and then in AC from 30 Dec to 04 Jan. I have reported both stays in respective threads and I had an absolutely rocking time in AC. Not one day did I got to bed without a girl, not one morning did I wake up alone. Not one afternoon did I take a peaceful nap, LOL. Barring ONE girl in Viking who refused to barfine, every other girl I picked in any bar on Fields and Perimeter was willing to fuck for money. If the narrative was true then my rejection rate should have been higher.
I hope the damn law of averages doesn't catch up with me the next time I am there.
I got into Manila last night and went outside to grab a yellow taxi to Victory Liner in Pasay. The taxi was 130p. I got to the bus station at 10:30pm and went to the #2 Baguio window and asked for the next bus to Dau. The lady said it would be leaving at 11:30pm, 150p. I arrived in Dau and grabbed a trike to Eurotel. As usual I did not ask a fare. I just handed the driver 80p when I got out. The time was 1:30am. (So total cost between NAIA in Manila and my hotel in AC 360 pesos and about 3 hours 15 minutes of travel time due to the hour I had to wait for the next bus.)
As soon as I walked into the hotel the man said how many hours do you need? I said about 96. As I walked over to the desk he pulled what looked like the hard cover of a small booklet out that had prices taped to it. He pointed to 2500 pesos. I said no I have a reservation. I gave them my Asia name but him and the other girl could not find my reservation. I took my phone out to show them the emails that had been sent back and forth between me and whoever answers their emails. He said ok. The girl tells me to enter my name and other info into a book and give her my passport or other ID. I write my Asia name and give her my passport card to copy. The guy says again that the price would be 2500/night. I said no. It is supposed to be 4800 for the 4 nights I am here. That is what it said on the website. He said okay. I paid with my American Express and went to my room to drop my things and head out to High Society. When I went outside I saw a big ass sign on the side of the hotel saying 1200p/night including breakfast. So what the fuck was the 2500 business?
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1831159]I got into Manila last night and went outside to grab a yellow taxi to Victory Liner in Pasay. The taxi was 130p. I got to the bus station at 10:30pm and went to the #2 Baguio window and asked for the next bus to Dau. The lady said it would be leaving at 11:30pm, 150p. I arrived in Dau and grabbed a trike to Eurotel. As usual I did not ask a fare. I just handed the driver 80p when I got out. The time was 1:30am. (So total cost between NAIA in Manila and my hotel in AC 360 pesos and about 3 hours 15 minutes of travel time due to the hour I had to wait for the next bus.)
As soon as I walked into the hotel the man said how many hours do you need? I said about 96. As I walked over to the desk he pulled what looked like the hard cover of a small booklet out that had prices taped to it. He pointed to 2500 pesos. I said no I have a reservation. I gave them my Asia name but him and the other girl could not find my reservation. I took my phone out to show them the emails that had been sent back and forth between me and whoever answers their emails. He said ok. The girl tells me to enter my name and other info into a book and give her my passport or other ID. I write my Asia name and give her my passport card to copy. The guy says again that the price would be 2500/night. I said no. It is supposed to be 4800 for the 4 nights I am here. That is what it said on the website. He said okay. I paid with my American Express and went to my room to drop my things and head out to High Society. When I went outside I saw a big ass sign on the side of the hotel saying 1200p/night including breakfast. So what the fuck was the 2500 business?[/QUOTE]To Mr Enternational.
Eurotel try to do that to me also they will tell you that 1200 p is a Pinoy rate and the small room with no window is sold out, I just said good bye and walk out and told them I am going to Devera next door.
Fast eddie 48.
[QUOTE=FastEddie48;1831180]To Mr Enternational.
Eurotel try to do that to me also they will tell you that 1200 p is a Pinoy rate and the small room with no window is sold out, I just said good bye and walk out and told them I am going to Devera next door.
Fast eddie 48.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1831159]
SNIP He pointed to 2500 pesos. I said no I have a reservation. SNIP The guy says again that the price would be 2500/night. I said no. It is supposed to be 4800 for the 4 nights I am here. SNIP When I went outside I saw a big ass sign on the side of the hotel saying 1200p/night including breakfast. So what the fuck was the 2500 business?[/QUOTE]Mr. E. you've been coming to the Phils often enough to know how math works here. Maybe you were tired and forgot, so I'll break it down for you as well as for the newbs:
1 day plus 1 night = 2.
2 x 1,200 pesos = 2,500 pesos (sorry sir, no small money for change so we just round up{ever notice how they never round down?
[QUOTE=PipJaeger;1831195]Mr. E. you've been coming to the Phils often enough to know how math works here. Maybe you were tired and forgot, so I'll break it down for you as well as for the newbs:
1 day plus 1 night = 2.
2 x 1,200 pesos = 2,500 pesos (sorry sir, no small money for change so we just round up{ever notice how they never round down?[/QUOTE]Quite possibly as simple as the desk clerk was cuzsin to trike driver.
Might help to change Asian name from Fuk Yu.
[QUOTE=BeachBoy46;1830263]The saying YMMV could not be more relevant. AngelWitch / Roadhouse and Gekos are my two favorite bars in AC. Sure, some are a little chubby but all are happy and smiling and great fun to have a drink with. It may be all about fucking but it should be all about fun as well.[/QUOTE]Go to Angel Witch for the best 70/80's Rock Music. None of that heavy OOMPA shit. Girls are very friendly and the manager Chris is a very hospitable guy.
I have great fun at Gekos. Head straight to the table right down the end. The girls will fuck off if they are resting there. Some great things happen at that table, mostly wandering hands under it. Last time I bought a drink for two girlsAnd after 2 minutes one said"Can I see your little chicken" Well of course baby. Out came my cock and she kept it warm for about an hour, only stopping for reverse body shots. Took her home $2500 for the best GFE sex. These bars are great places to have many laughs. The girls love a happy smiling guy. They really get into it.
BTW I have no connection with these places. Just make them my first port of call every trip. BB.