Sao Paulo Reports

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2921304]I like staying in the Jardim and Itaim Bibi neighborhoods best. At 9 pm it is only a 20-minute Uber ride to Scandallo. In the afternoon it is usually around a 20-minute ride to the Moema Clinicas as well. In addition, 2 of my favorite 4-star Itiam Bibi hotels are just 2 blocks from Bomboa and there are a ton of interesting, great restaurants nearby within very safe walking distance. So, this is obviously good area to stay.[/QUOTE]I also like Itaim Bibi. Great choice of gourmet restaurants, with one caveat though: as a lonesome bachelor I had the impression I was not welcome in those restaurants at peak business hours, especially on Friday and Saturday evenings. Yuppie couples all over the place. Of course this was no different from fashionable neighborhoods in London or Munich. I have been spoiled in Pattaya where everybody is a loner and welcome to any seat available.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2921539]While it's possible a girl or two might ask an outrageous 2500 and not get it most girls are 1200-1500 or less if you push a bit. But it seems people in this thread latched on to the 3000 you mentioned and are acting like that is part of the discussion. It's not. Prob not your intent but this is how fake news gets started! Yes. Girls ask and get 1200-1500 this is the going rate. No. No one is paying $600/ HR at Scandallo.

Post COVID prices are up worldwide. Heck FKKs are now often 200/hr. Scan girls SLAY most FKK girls. And the venue totally slays fkk. So while Scan is now $200-300 it is 100% worth it.

In answer to ur initial question of how to deal with it. Walk away from any girl who starts with 2000 or up. She just shot herself in the foot. If a girl offers 1500 Id counter with 1000 and prob settle on 1200. I know u say it puts the mood off but its best to get used to it. Girls worldwide generally expect negotiation so they start high. U can choose to not negotiate. But thats on you not her. She isnt expecting 1500. But she will gladly take it.[/QUOTE]Most of the girls I've either spoken to or actually seen in person from South America or the Caribbean, don't advertise prices. Instead, they expect you to make them an offer. But then again, I've never visited a strip club. These are all girls I've contacted online. This can be a blessing or a curse. It puts you in the proverbial high bidder's disadvantage, because you never know how low they are willing to go. If you lowball them, they find it insulting and block you if the offer is way too low. But, if you offer the maximum you are willing to pay, chances are they would have been willing to see you for less. So I ran a "test market. " I started going down in 100 real increments, with the ones I wasn't dead set on seeing, that way if they got pissed, I could always see another provider. It seems to me like the floor price for online providers is 500 reais. But at that price, if you want outcall, they will expect you to cover the transport. No problem, Uber is dirt cheap in Brazil, and you can send the car from your account. I wound up paying 700 reais + transport, but got a way better experience than I could have ever possibly imagined.

I am new in forum. I hope its right. I See that everything is in one thread.

I will go to sao paulo and See this Website. There are many hot girls for quite extreme low prices. For example 100 brl for one 1 hour. The problem is that many of this cheap girls are in the historical Center. I heard this a dangerous no go area with crackheads and muggings (like philadelphia and la maybe). Is this dangerous to comp to These locations with uber or is maybe a trap and someone will rob me or drug me. And what other neighbours think when I search the search the right Apartment in a big house (even in Europe this was not so comfortable).

Ok also there must be many Brothels. Scandallo is the most famous I heard, but These prices are on us / europe Level. So I do not understand why should pay same prices when I travel 10.000 kilometres. So not for me.

I am interested in the cheap ones where the Locals go. I heard they call them privee or sth. But how can I find out where they are? Because it is Hidden and some do not have a Website I think me most. And is it safe to visit These locations as a gringo who only speaks english and spanish.

Is there a list maybe where I find which are good and which not.

[QUOTE=Lotkio;2921697]I am new in forum. I hope its right. I See that everything is in one thread.

I will go to sao paulo and See this Website. There are many hot girls for quite extreme low prices. For example 100 brl for one 1 hour. The problem is that many of this cheap girls are in the historical Center. I heard this a dangerous no go area with crackheads and muggings (like philadelphia and la maybe). Is this dangerous to comp to These locations with uber or is maybe a trap and someone will rob me or drug me. And what other neighbours think when I search the search the right Apartment in a big house (even in Europe this was not so comfortable).

Ok also there must be many Brothels. Scandallo is the most famous I heard, but These prices are on us / europe Level. So I do not understand why should pay same prices when I travel 10.000 kilometres. So not for me.

I am interested in the cheap ones where the Locals go. I heard they call them privee or sth. But how can I find out where they are? Because it is Hidden and some do not have a Website I think me most. And is it safe to visit These locations as a gringo who only speaks english and spanish.

Is there a list maybe where I find which are good and which not.[/QUOTE]The site is legit.

My suggestion to simplify things until you are comfortable in Sampa: 1) Do clinicas which are up to your budget 2) Check out Casarao.

I also take from the street like lower Augusta near Casarao, but it's just me. I like to get what I see.

There is nothing wrong in privees, but you have to vet them through a third party, read reviews.

[QUOTE=RealShaun;2920916]I agree to. "negotiating overnights" sounds like a great title for a bossa nova song. I don't think I ever negotiated overnights, its something that's mutually agreed up, either she does or doesn't. But like Alex said, I also never do overnights on day 1. Normally, if I seen her on the second time or third time, I'll simply say, "Stay overnight" and she'll say, "Great, I brought my bag just in case you had asked" LMAO that's really how it goes 99% of the time. There those 1% exceptions on the first meet, but, that's only after you both banged out hard and she is all over you and you want her to stay.[/QUOTE]You didn't fully understand my question. Neither did Alex. I was referring to negotiating the price with a girl when you see her in the club and want to bring her back to your place that same night.

What you are saying about overnights is a different story when a girl is already at your place. And you probably are referring to semi pros / Seeking girls, where you negotiate PPM rate without specifying if it will be an overnight date or not and then just let it happen naturally. Scandallo girls are pros, and value their time much more. Pulling a Scandallo girl out of the club for 1 HR doesn't even make much sense, because you have to pay a take out fee, then Uber to your place (and back, if you want to try another girl). So if you take her out, it definitely should be overnight, period.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2920859]Great question, Miami, because there are many different approaches to successfully negotiating an overnight with a new boate girl let alone navigating the SP Boate scene and getting what you want. It ain't hard. Many boate girls, if not most girls, are available to be taken out of the club rather than to be stuck there all night long although as always YMMV from girl to girl.

My approach is simple: I never consider takeout with a new girl. My first time with a boate girl is always ST and in-house. The only exception to this approach is when I am at Casarao, because I really dislike using their adjacent ST hotel. Everywhere else I am happy to initially get it on in-house and after the first boom boom session, if I really like the girl, I will exchange what'sup #'s with her, and we take it from there. Sometimes nothing happens and I never see the girl or have sex with her again, sometimes I continue to see the girl in-house a few more times, and once in a while I find I have "keeper," a girl I really like, and we move our new relationship outside the club permanently. The key here is I am in no hurry to jump into anything with these girls. Overnights have their advantages, sure, but they are not a consideration for me unless it is with girls I already know and really like. Truth be told I am more into sequential 2-fers, ie doing 2 boate girls separately, one at a time, ST, in-house rather than having a LT with 1 girl, although it does depend on the girl.[/QUOTE]I don't see why one can't do an overnight with a new girl. I have had overnights with Seeking girls on day 1. There is no need for a test drive. It is just 1 overnight date, not a 7 day trip together or some long term commitment. If she didn't live up to expectations you simply just don't repeat. I'm not wham bam thank you ma'am type of guy, I would rather pay a little bit more but fuck in the comfort of my apartment. I hate quickies on site. If I already paid for a nice airbnb or hotel with a view, why not take advantage of it and enjoy it to the fullest rather than fuck on site or at a crappy ST motel nearby? I like the comfort of my airbnb. I can put my fav YouTube playlist on, mix my drinks, etc. I don't like to be in rush knowing that we have plenty of time to enjoy ourselves. If I do overnights, 3 pops is standard, 2 in the evening and 1 in the morning. So from a cost per fuck point, it is cheaper to pay for pernoites. But I understand we all roll differently.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2921949] rather than fuck on site or at a crappy ST motel nearby?.[/QUOTE]The room is decent with dual shower head in the shower. It is more like a love motel with room service delivered thru a small entry on the wall. If a girl is taken out, it likely won't be a crappy motel. Most likely will be a love motel, probably with jacuzzi or swimming pool.

[QUOTE=Lotkio;2921697]Is there a list maybe where I find which are good and which not.[/QUOTE]You can find the list here.

[QUOTE][URL]https://www.gp-guia.net/viewforum.php?f=8[/URL] for list of clinicas[/QUOTE]

Downtown day time is fine. Night time is ok if you know the area.

I just found out tomorrow is a holiday, apparently the Brazilian version of valentines day. Does this effect the boates?

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2921949]I don't see why one can't do an overnight with a new girl. I have had overnights with Seeking girls on day 1. There is no need for a test drive. It is just 1 overnight date, not a 7 day trip together or some long term commitment. If she didn't live up to expectations you simply just don't repeat. I'm not wham bam thank you ma'am type of guy, I would rather pay a little bit more but fuck in the comfort of my apartment. I hate quickies on site. If I already paid for a nice airbnb or hotel with a view, why not take advantage of it and enjoy it to the fullest rather than fuck on site or at a crappy ST motel nearby? I like the comfort of my airbnb. I can put my fav YouTube playlist on, mix my drinks, etc. I don't like to be in rush knowing that we have plenty of time to enjoy ourselves. If I do overnights, 3 pops is standard, 2 in the evening and 1 in the morning. So from a cost per fuck point, it is cheaper to pay for pernoites. But I understand we all roll differently.[/QUOTE]Do what makes you happy, dude. No one said it is a bad idea to take a new boate girl out of the club for LT OR ST. In the past few months there have been some excellent trip reports about having 1st time LT sessions with Scandallo girls. IMHO success or failure largely relies on establishing a friendly interview / audition vibe.

[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2921949] You didn't fully understand my question. Neither did Alex. I was referring to negotiating the price with a girl when you see her in the club and want to bring her back to your place that same night.[/QUOTE]The actual negotiation part is easy. Here is a typical boate situation: after cruising around the club for a while I spot a girl of interest. She smiles at me and I decide to take this a little further, so I ask her over for drink.

Then during the course of the interview / audition girls will sometimes ask me what I like to do. I tell them I like to kiss and make love. KKK. Then I ask the girls if they like to kiss. After most boate girls have said they like to kiss, things begin to happen, KKK, and we start it up which is one of the reasons why I really like the boates and similar honky tonks. Eventually, sooner or later and always before the girl finishes her drink, she will make an offer or ask if I want to go upstairs. If I am interested, I ask how much and the issue is usually settled in under 45 seconds. But if I am not interested or the ask is too high and she won't come down (rare), I make a polite excuse and move on.

Now if I want something specific like a LT or ST at my hotel, or even BBFS; this is the apropos time to bring it up and like I said in a previous post, most boate girls are up for leaving with their customers. Good luck with negotiating BBFS. KKK. I am only successful with the bareback request less than 10% of the time. My point is leaving the club is no big deal, however, you will have to pay an early departure fee that the club imposes on the girls. It is roughly the same amount as the club's hotel room charge so it is up to you which path you want to follow. But it is not more expensive to take the girls away and usually there are some fringe benefits to taking a girl back to my place like the times when I really clicked with the girl (and she me), and I invited her to stay for dinner, and then received a 2nd shag afterwards at no additional cost or on rarer occasions, the session was so good that I invited a girl to modify our agreement and spend the night for a modest additional "tip". This doesn't happen all the time, but when it does, it makes bringing a new girl back to my hotel for a ST session really rewarding. Anyway, as you said, "We all roll differently. " Do what makes you happy.

In my last post I wrote, "there are some fringe benefits to taking a new boate girl back to my place. " But there are also some great advantages to doing her in-house as well like still being in the boate, the center of action and entertainment, afterwards. I mean it's after midnight things are rocking: why leave? Where else is there to go? Fact: I just got laid. Now, I am hungry and the boate has a pretty good restaurant. Why leave? KKK!

Now, it is around 1 am and I have been laid and fed. I am feeling good so now it is time for another gin and to check out the current girly situation. Some of my best boate shags have been with the 2nd girl of the evening. So, the bottom line is I enjoy spending the night at the boates. I usually arrive around 9:30 pm and leave either around 1 am or 2:30 am. Boates are fun places. If one girl was enough, I will leave after I have dinner (1 am). If I am in the mood for a 2 fer I will stick around to 2 am or 2:30 am and then head back to my hotel.

[QUOTE=Nounce;2921952]The room is decent with dual shower head in the shower. It is more like a love motel with room service delivered thru a small entry on the wall. If a girl is taken out, it likely won't be a crappy motel. Most likely will be a love motel, probably with jacuzzi or swimming pool.[/QUOTE]I get it, but let's be real, no motel room can beat a full size apartment in a luxury building which has already been paid for anyways.

Just wrapped up another visit to SP which turned out to be my best experience yet in Brazil, which essentially means the best anywhere. Out of more than 20 sessions, only 1 was good, the rest were better, most way better than good. Zero CBJ, 100% GFE, the way mother nature intended. These Brazilian women are from another planet!

However, before noobs go thinking it is all a walk in the park, I like to reiterate that I do my homework and always counter-check all my prospects with gp-guia. Occasionally you get lucky, but relying on luck alone will leave you mostly disappointed in this game.

Some highlights of note:

From photoacompanhantes I met this lady, Mariana Lessa: [URL]https://www.malicia.com.br/marianalessa[/URL] ; [URL]https://www.photoacompanhantes.com/acompanhantes/sao-paulo/jardins/oi-eu-sou-a-namoradinha-dos-seus-sonhos-venha-conhecer-id-pkhug[/URL] . A bit fluffy, but very attractive. Stays in a nice apartment in a high end neighborhood in Jardins. Advertises Thai massage but offers none. Massaged my toes for 30 seconds and asked me to flip. Nevertheless, provided a very sensual and solid GFE, and she's orgasmic. I thoroughly enjoyed my time with her. Damage was 500/ h.

The twist: she kept urging me to invite her for pernoite at my place, which is never my favorite (for me after 2 pops, utility with a provider goes down to near zero). Anyway after a couple of days I relented and and asked her how much. The quote was 8,000 (that's 1,600 USD). And some of you were complaining about inflated rates at Scandallo. Of course she never heard from me again.

Highlights to continue.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2921390]Casarao is a great choice for Sunday since most everything else is closed. Note that it really warms up late night. If you get there at 11 it will be empty. Grab a spot on the wall across from the stripper pole and watch the girls flow in over the next hour. So fun to scope the talent as it arrives. This report from Feb May be helpful and proves you can find real gems there. Mia still texts me how she misses me and wants to travel together. That girl was a dime piece. Look for the report called Rockstar Gem a bit down the page.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2204-Sao-Paulo-Reports&p=2894633[/URL]#post2894633.[/QUOTE]This is also to Axel. Big thanks to you both! Your "steerage" was spot on and made the difference. So I did head to Casarao on Sunday. Didn't see any evidence of a western theme, but that was of no consequence. Took up the recommended position and was rewarded with an ongoing review of arriving talent. The ladies were ready to play from the moment they entered the room. I was patient and walked downstairs after a few moments. Saw one or two that I was for certain interested in meeting, but both were engaged in conversations. Back up stairs, regained my seat and relaxed and enjoyed the show. Twenty minutes later my first target came upstairs alone. She had made eye contact before, but I didn't want to interrupt. She had a bit of a RBF going on, but the body was smoking. I motioned her over and she sat down and smiled. The room was instantly filled with the light of that smile. She was proudly all natural, which I prefer. We chatted a bit over a drink and when asked quoted me R500 for an hour. Off we went to a serviceable room. All I can say is when she disrobed, what was already a spectacular specimen of feminine form became other worldly. I had told her before what I wanted was a "one hour girlfriend.the good kind"! She certainly provided that and more. Her skills matched her beauty and it was a spectacular session.

Last night I went to Scandallos, hoping to view some of the Tier 1 talent, and was not disappointed. Yes they quoted prices R1500 and above, and I was reluctant to pull the trigger, but great fun to have drink with and enjoy the view. Had my eye on a Tier 3 cutie (these classifications are all my own, derived from the descriptions in earlier postings). She was bubbly, smiled easily and again was keen to provide me an hour or so of genuine " I really like you and want to make you happy GFE" type affection. She even kissed me as a preview. She asked R900, then before I could respond reduced to R800, I suggested R700 because I didn't want to chance destroying the vibe and she smiled and said let's go. She was not as pretty as the lady in Casarão, but had something of an "it" factor I liked. She was by no means unattractive, but just a more of a Girl next door look, with appropriate make up and clothes and heels designed to maximize her assets. All of which were natural also. Another great session with an added twist of pulling off the condom and applying her lips to try and maintain my erection after I came. She was somewhat successful and I was rewarded with a very nice hand job. For this I tipped her an additional R100.

I would have never enjoyed both evenings as much absent the information that was shared here. I did enjoy both evenings, but the one at Casarao was really fun. If I repeat I would try to do take out because my hotel room is more comfortable. Thanks again for the assist. It had more than a decade since I was here, and made some more memories of fun in SP.

Best,

Sky.

Can anyone that went recently to SP speak to how the weather was?

June / July is supposed to be winter months but looking at the weather app, the weather looks fantastic with low of 60 and high of mid 80's this week.

But weather app isn't always reliable or accurate so would like some feedback.