Angeles City

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1833489]
as far as country/world numbers for aids they could only be considered accurate if 100% of the population was to be tested which obviously they are not so the figures produced by certain organisations are not worth anything and a total farce imho[/QUOTE]The numbers for HIV infected people might indeed not be accurate because not all of these people are sick (yet).
However I think the numbers for AIDS are more accurate (certainly not a total farce anyway) because these people are clearly sick and seek medical care.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1833522]The numbers for HIV infected people might indeed not be accurate because not all of these people are sick (yet).
However I think the numbers for AIDS are more accurate (certainly not a total farce anyway) because these people are clearly sick and seek medical care.[/QUOTE]Mogwai,

The people infected with either hiv or aids but have not gone for testing could be in the many millions more,

Many might have full blown aids with mild symptoms they put down to something else and might not go for testing,some might have an idea they have aids but deny it to themselves and to others and refuse to be tested,we can speculate many different ways,

My own cousin died of aids and up to the last few days he looked fine,nobody in the family had a clue he was sick with aids, his death was at a time before meds to keep people alive,

until 100% of the world population is forced to be tested every 3 months only then will we have accurate figures as to who has hiv/aids imho

I can't agree. You're not decades older than me. And, I like some of the pop music.

And by all means, develop a strategy (for yourself). Meet people, have fun, make contacts, have meals with someone, and please get laid. And then get laid again. X.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1833135]I've been reading these reports with some bemusement, not only because of the diverse viewpoints, but also because in 11 years of living here, I've never experienced any of the apparently recurring behaviors lots of posters described. I'm likely decades older than many posters, am neither tall, nor gwapo nor particularly fit. Yet, I seem to have few problems securing partners, and though individual tastes differ, I am quite picky. Further, I never negotiate up front. I've never been ripped off, and I've never much worried about the "face" I need to wear in a bar.

Since the older I get the less I appreciate what passes these days for popular music, I try to get out of the bars as quickly as I can, return to the ABC with the lady and have quieter drinks by the pool. Though I don't always succeed in fi, nding what (who) I'm looking for, I usually do and I'm rarely disappointed. Now it may be, though I don't think so, that in my advancing years my standards have lowered. I do find however that if I just treat the girls as I would like to be treated, I have good experiences. So, my advice is to avoid developing strategies, treat the girls like human beings and relax.

GE.[/QUOTE]

Thanks everyone for your recommendations.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1832941]For a great cup of coffee go to the RBI Steakhouse in the Queens Hotel. You can enjoy your coffee poolside or inside.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1833489]With all due respect, if everyone in the bar industry had a vested interest in checking their girls for aids. Std, s why is it not being done? clearly no checks for aids / stds are made at all, how could they be, no blood is taken, unless you know of a way to test without taking blood? The hygeine test that is carried out weekly at the moment is a pap smear test only (smear) [/QUOTE]I agree with you when you said that we are not MD's. However the cost of HIV testing is much less than it was say 15 years ago. You can purchase an over the counter kit in Thailand for probably under $5 US. Perhaps they are now being sold in the PI as well. Some kits use saliva so there is no need for blood. Other STD's can be tested by using vaginal swabs or by testing any exudate from the external urethral meatus, male or female. But what about that nasty chancre sore on the roof of the mouth? Are they testing for herpes and related dermatologic STD's? Are you kidding? But watch out for DFK unless you can fit your tongue in a condom and kiss with that. Oh, BTW, I would not put much stock in what you hear from these girls; they are not MD's either.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1833135]I've been reading these reports with some bemusement because in 11 years of living here, I've never experienced any of the behaviors lots of posters described. I'm decades older than many posters, am neither tall, nor gwapo nor particularly fit. Yet, I seem to have few problems securing partners, and though individual tastes differ, I am quite picky. I try to get out of the bars as quickly as I can, return to the ABC with the lady and have quieter drinks by the pool. So, my advice is to avoid developing strategies, treat the girls like human beings and relax. GE.[/QUOTE]I have been reading your posts here and on another "worldly" forum for many years. I can recall when you were in Vietnam. I imagined you to be large and formidable. You command a lot of respect-indeed lionized-on the forums and although that is not entirely your doing, it is my nature to react against anyone who is the object of such obsequiousness. That is an apology for any of my posts which may have challenged your points of view. You wrote not so long ago that you were in a "satisfying and fulfilling relationship. " Now it sounds like you are an active monger. Oui ou non? I, like you, like to get the hell out of the bar as quickly as I can. But I fear that makes me seem too eager to get laid and scares away some otherwise likely prospects. Oh, BTW, you were in Vietnam and Mindanao for business. It is none of my beeswax, but are you a mining engineer? Oui ou non? That would be my guess. Me? I am a wastrel for a living.

[QUOTE=Tasss;1833029]First of all, the way that some of you are writing your replies seem like you're saying I'm wasting my time reporting my mistakes. I've a thick internet skin so I say whatever to that. The reason why I spent time posting is to inform other PI newbies to be careful. If it ends up helping one other dude not get money stolen then I've done what I wanted to do.[/QUOTE]

You didn't waste your time and your report is appreciated. Ignore the trolls. Your post served as a good reminder that we need to keep our guard up and follow basic mongering rules. It's possible that its happened to others, but they were too embarrassed to report it or they don't have "thick internet skin" and were afraid of the admonishment they were likely to receive.

[QUOTE]Here's the thing in this thread, I've thread through tens and tens of pages of reports before coming here and none of them mentioned getting cheated and money stolen and things like that. So when I lose money like this, it's my fault for not using common sense, which can happen especially in new places. BUT if there were reports of this happening, then it's my fault for not using common sense and not RTFF which is an even worse mistake. [i]SNIP[/i]. So here it is, a report that if newbies read, they won't have an excuse later.[/QUOTE]When you did your research you didn't find anything about getting ripped off by a FL (or even a bargirl) because it rarely happens; at least in AC or Cebu, although it's likely to happen more often in MNL. I've literally been with hundreds of FL's here and never had a major issue like what you described. Sure I've had girls snatch a candy bar, bottle of soda, tube of toothpaste, bottle of shampoo, etc. , but I've never had a girl take money out of my pocket (s). OTH, I do lock up any extra cash and when I go out I only take what I need for the night. Upon returning to the room with a girl I put my cash in the safe (or lock it in my suitcase if no safe).

[QUOTE=Pompetus;1833740]I have been reading your posts here and on another "worldly" forum for many years. I can recall when you were in Vietnam. I imagined you to be large and formidable. You command a lot of respect-indeed lionized-on the forums and although that is not entirely your doing, it is my nature to react against anyone who is the object of such obsequiousness. That is an apology for any of my posts which may have challenged your points of view. You wrote not so long ago that you were in a "satisfying and fulfilling relationship. " Now it sounds like you are an active monger. Oui ou non? I, like you, like to get the hell out of the bar as quickly as I can. But I fear that makes me seem too eager to get laid and scares away some otherwise likely prospects. Oh, BTW, you were in Vietnam and Mindanao for business. It is none of my beeswax, but are you a mining engineer? Oui ou non? That would be my guess. Me? I am a wastrel for a living.[/QUOTE]Didn't want to bore a lot of the guys here by responding with some personal details, so sent you a PM answering some of your questions. You surely owe me no apologies for anything written in response to anything I've posted. I've always figured that any of our posts are fair game for those who disagree.

I didn't realize that I was the object of any obsequiousness, and if I was, it's surely undeserved. My points of view are merely personal opinions and no more worthy of special treatment than the posts of anyone else.

I think that because I've lived for so long in so many third world countries the endless pursuit of the ladies ceased to fascinate me long ago. It really doesn't take long for the ready availability of girls young enough to be my daughter, and now perhaps granddaughter to lose its novelty which is, I suppose, why I don't write about it much. For me, the equation is quite simple: this is a poor country with a lousy educational system that creates few opportunities for its young people. Conversely the pressure on young women to provide sustenance for their families is relentless. Ergo, many of those from poor families do what they do because it's the only way they can provide for their families given that the government does nothing to ameliorate their poverty. For the most part, guys who delude themselves into thinking otherwise--that is, believing that these young women love them because of their charm or looks or personalities-- need to go check the mirrors in their hotel rooms.

GE.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1833154]Good read on Harry the horse news letter this month, Harry and new partner/writer are angeles buisness owners and are 100% pro everything angeles normally.

In their second column they clearly state that all angeles bar owners are having a horrid time trying to secure good looking girls to work in the bars.

Now if these guys are saying this then the reality is probably a 1000% times worse.[/QUOTE]I used to read Harry the Horse every month, but now no longer reading since Harry stopped his newsletter. Now it is concluded between ads and rambling.

Robb.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;1833734]I agree with you when you said that we are not MD's. However the cost of HIV testing is much less than it was say 15 years ago. You can purchase an over the counter kit in Thailand for probably under $5 US. Perhaps they are now being sold in the PI as well. Some kits use saliva so there is no need for blood. Other STD's can be tested by using vaginal swabs or by testing any exudate from the external urethral meatus, male or female. But what about that nasty chancre sore on the roof of the mouth? Are they testing for herpes and related dermatologic STD's? Are you kidding? But watch out for DFK unless you can fit your tongue in a condom and kiss with that. Oh, BTW, I would not put much stock in what you hear from these girls; they are not MD's either.[/QUOTE]I had previously bought a thai aids kit it was about $50 us, the problem with these is their accuracy, It clearly states on the packaging that if a positive reading is given then go for a blood test to make sure, so by the manufacturers own admission their kit is not as accurate as a blood test.

Yes new type oral tests are also available in some countries but again not as reliable as blood testing.

[URL]http://www.aidsmap.com/Rapid-HIV-test-performance-poorer-with-oral-fluid-than-blood-especially-when-prevalence-is-low/page/2228132/[/URL]

But at the end of the day it does not come down to what is available it comes down to no girls in angeles are tested by their bars for anything which is crazy considering that most angeles bargirls think its normal to have multiple sex partners from all around the world bareback.

I think that if the bar owners were actually concerned for their girls health then they should at least educate the girls on the dangers of unprotected sex, I won't hold my breath LOL.

I'm making my first trip ever to the Philippines next week (due to outside pressure I scraped my trip to Jakarta) and decided on Angeles City (over Manila) just due to the proximity of everything and partially because it's cheaper. But having read through 100 pages of this thread there are actually very few "trip reports". Most are debates on various subjects and confirmations that AC is very, very far from it's peak due to the raids from yrs ago and perhaps also due to the mongering 'market conditions'.

It makes me wonder if I should just switch to Manilia. ?

The one question I had was regarding walking around at night outside of Fields / walking street. I'm staying at the Central Park Tower Resort which appears to be very close to fields ave. Since it's so close do you think it would be a problem to walk with a girl at night to the hotel? Or do I need to take a trike?

(on a side note, as someone who likes to RTFF I would agree that more TRIP reports is always a good thing as every part of life is YMMV. The only way to get an broad idea of what can happen in a given city with WGs / review of a certain hotel / restaurant is to have more reports and more details. Not everyone is a seasoned veteran with 20-30 yrs under their belt and living in SE Asia for weeks and months at a time. Also as we have seen with various cities- things change. What was true in 2015 might be different now and trip reports can give people an idea of what can be "expected" but obviously you have to temper your expectations.).

[QUOTE=WrinkleFree;1833934]I'm making my first trip ever to the Philippines next week (due to outside pressure I scraped my trip to Jakarta) and decided on Angeles City (over Manila) just due to the proximity of everything and partially because it's cheaper. But having read through 100 pages of this thread there are actually very few "trip reports". Most are debates on various subjects and confirmations that AC is very, very far from it's peak due to the raids from yrs ago and perhaps also due to the mongering 'market conditions'.

It makes me wonder if I should just switch to Manilia. ?

The one question I had was regarding walking around at night outside of Fields / walking street. I'm staying at the Central Park Tower Resort which appears to be very close to fields ave. Since it's so close do you think it would be a problem to walk with a girl at night to the hotel? Or do I need to take a trike?
[/QUOTE]If I were you I would still go to AC. The proximity of everything is a big advantage over Manila, most certainly when it's your first time around. It's true that AC is far from it's peak but 'very, very far' is an exaggaration IMO. You can still have a good time there but it just might take a little longer to find girls to your liking. And beside that: if you don't go there you 'll never know if AC is your cup of tea or not.

Central Park is indeed very close to fields. It's a 2 minute walk to Kokomo's restaurant which is roughly in the middle of fields. It's no problem at all to walk with a girl to this hotel, it might even be safer than taking a trike LOL!

Many thanks for the reply! I'm keeping my expectations pretty "even". Have never been in AC during "the peak" I won't know what I've been missing!

[QUOTE=WrinkleFree;1833975]Many thanks for the reply! I'm keeping my expectations pretty "even". Have never been in AC during "the peak" I won't know what I've been missing![/QUOTE]I agree with what has been said, you have to come try it out to see if you like it. Don't let other's opinions affect yours, but keep them in mind though. I avoided coming into this thread prior to my trip so my opinions and expectations don't get swayed. It's not my cup of tea, I like Manila a lot more, but to each their own. I still had fun and got my dick soaking wet and that's all that counts

[QUOTE=ThomKatt;1833995]I agree with what has been said, you have to come try it out to see if you like it. Don't let other's opinions affect yours, but keep them in mind though. I avoided coming into this thread prior to my trip so my opinions and expectations don't get swayed. It's not my cup of tea, I like Manila a lot more, but to each their own. I still had fun and got my dick soaking wet and that's all that counts[/QUOTE]Could not agree more. Having traveled throughout SE Asia I never had AC on my radar. Now after two trips I am hooked. Do not know about the peak but if you are looking for an easy place to get around with day and night action, then AC is a must. It may not be the biggest, cleanest or have the best looking girls, but it has a lot of girls and lots of bars. It is also cheaper than a lot of other places. Try it and see if you like it. I know that I do! The girls are fun and finding the gem is part of the adventure!