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[QUOTE=ViperF33;2523953]She told me the nearest airport to her home is Clark and never told me she would meet me at the airport. In fact she has no idea where the bus from her town will drop her off when she meets me. She will go to the bus terminal to get information.

She does not have a passport and only has her college identification which is now expired.

As far as the $200 I gave her, big deal! She did not ask for the money I sent it to her. Guys in the US would pay much more than that to video chat with someone that looks like her. Fortunately I have a very successful career and even if she just a "dream," the pleasure of video chatting with her on a daily basis makes the $200 money well spent.

Hopefully, the Philippines will open shortly. I did speak with someone at the Philippines consulate in the US and I was told travel may open by March. I can only hope.[/QUOTE]There are guys on this board who have married a pina and lived happily ever after just as there are guys who have been severely burnt and lost everything. A couple are literally in jail as we speak. Hence, its no surprise that the advice has ranged from meet her and have a good time through to all girls a whorres to be fucked and forgotten. My guess is that your girl, like many, will fall somewhere in the middle.

At the end of the day, its your life. Go have a good time but be alert for the good and bad signs that everyone has mentioned here and react accordingly. . If it works out, great. If not, have your fun and move on.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2524018]
If he thinks he is serious about this chick though I would advise him to go early to experience other people whether normal chicks or monger stuff. Then after that, meet up with that chick and that will tell it all.[/QUOTE]Good advice. Every new arrival, new or old hand, arrives with some level of blue balls that distorts his perspective. Have some meaningless fun upon arrival then you will be clear headed and the big head will be the one making decisions.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=ViperF33;2523953]She told me the nearest airport to her home is Clark and never told me she would meet me at the airport. In fact she has no idea where the bus from her town will drop her off when she meets me. She will go to the bus terminal to get information.

She does not have a passport and only has her college identification which is now expired.

As far as the $200 I gave her, big deal! She did not ask for the money I sent it to her. Guys in the US would pay much more than that to video chat with someone that looks like her. Fortunately I have a very successful career and even if she just a "dream," the pleasure of video chatting with her on a daily basis makes the $200 money well spent.

Hopefully, the Philippines will open shortly. I did speak with someone at the Philippines consulate in the US and I was told travel may open by March. I can only hope.[/QUOTE]You are going to do what you will do and Good Luck with that. I've been criticized myself for some of my approaches to dealing with women I've discussed here. But there is one thing you really need to be aware of.

If she has no ID, and the only one is a college ID which has expired, how did she cash the money you sent to her? You have to have some type of ID to get it cashed. So she used a fake ID? Then that means either you are not knowing her real name or she gave you some reason why she used that name that sounded plausible. Or, you were asked to send it to her brother / sister / cousin, etc. To cash it in for her. Though I'm not trying to be suspicious, that sounds a little scammy.

You say you have done well in business and can afford this, well I ask that you use some of that business sense and apply it to this situation. Ask yourself, with the amount of advice and things being brought up to you, would you actually enter a deal for work with the same details?

No ID will catch up to one at the great arbiter, the US Embassy there. When I was going through the process with my current wife, who is a Japanese citizen coming from the land of "organization for organizations sake" we had to present all types of forms, income made, health data, etc. To the Embassy in Tokyo just to get her Green Card submitted. While I was there, there was an American trying to get his Pinay "girlfriend" in the process. It was interesting to watch since it was an open bay area, when the US government person was asking for proof of relationship since they had only been together for a short time and he had to start providing pictures of them from various times to show that he had indeed been knowing her. He was coming in as one of the US citizens working for the bases here, and thought he could get away. I didn't get to see the end of it all but before I left, they were having a "moment of truth" when all of a sudden those youngster who had been his girls nieces all of a sudden came up with a more closer relationship (I. E. They were actually hers) and the Embassy staff started showing him all of the forms that stated if he sponsors her and family he would be liable to support them and they wouldn't be eligible for any public assistance (this was in 2008) which was and still is the law. We were leaving when he had to pull her to the side to get to the bottom line. Wish I could have stayed to see it. Made my long wait time and fees paid well worth it.

If you think this is the right path for you, head down it. But don't come back here 6 months later complaining about what happened. You can do that, expect to get heaped on by the Lurkers, and afterwards we will welcome you into the official club of "Lurkering!

[QUOTE=Drbombay;2524085]No ID will catch up to one at the great arbiter, the US Embassy there. When I was going through the process with my current wife, who is a Japanese citizen coming from the land of "organization for organizations sake" we had to present all types of forms, income made, health data, etc. To the Embassy in Tokyo just to get her Green Card submitted. While I was there, there was an American trying to get his Pinay "girlfriend" in the process. It was interesting to watch since it was an open bay area, when the US government person was asking for proof of relationship since they had only been together for a short time and he had to start providing pictures of them from various times to show that he had indeed been knowing her. He was coming in as one of the US citizens working for the bases here, and thought he could get away. I didn't get to see the end of it all but before I left, they were having a "moment of truth" when all of a sudden those youngster who had been his girls nieces all of a sudden came up with a more closer relationship (I. E. They were actually hers) and the Embassy staff started showing him all of the forms that stated if he sponsors her and family he would be liable to support them and they wouldn't be eligible for any public assistance (this was in 2008) which was and still is the law. We were leaving when he had to pull her to the side to get to the bottom line. Wish I could have stayed to see it. Made my long wait time and fees paid well worth it.[/QUOTE]I mentioned before about local 3rd parties knowing instantly where the girl and relationship sit and it would be hard to think of a better qualified group than Embassy Visa staff. They have seen it all and act accordingly. The long term resident with multiple holiday receipts and birthday cards from parents gets a relatively easy ride. Met online, visited for a week or two and now wants to emigrate to the West will receive a deep dive inspection.

I've often heard the visa process described as made so onerous that only the truly committed want to go through with it.

Again, I wish the OP the best but go in with your eyes open. Don't underestimate the costs, time and liabilities involved in the whole process.

Cheers. G.

[QUOTE=ViperF33;2523953]She told me the nearest airport to her home is Clark and never told me she would meet me at the airport. In fact she has no idea where the bus from her town will drop her off when she meets me. She will go to the bus terminal to get information.

She does not have a passport and only has her college identification which is now expired.

As far as the $200 I gave her, big deal! She did not ask for the money I sent it to her. Guys in the US would pay much more than that to video chat with someone that looks like her. Fortunately I have a very successful career and even if she just a "dream," the pleasure of video chatting with her on a daily basis makes the $200 money well spent.

Hopefully, the Philippines will open shortly. I did speak with someone at the Philippines consulate in the US and I was told travel may open by March. I can only hope.[/QUOTE]Your girl and her family can't believe their luck that they caught a fat American whale. The fact that you sent the money without her asking for it singles you out as a totally gullible person. And don't they know it. Although it is only $200 to you and you are a wealthy, successful business person so you don't care, that's 11,000 peso to her. That's a months salary in the Philippines. Would you give $5,000 to someone you had never met in the US? Same same here.

Do you really think she is going to spend 11,000 peso on internet? The internet bill for the whole fucking barangay wouldn't come to 11,000 peso. Most poor girls know how to use free wifi. If they can't get wifi, they will spend a few hundred peso on a pre-paid sim (called load in the Philippines), not 11,000 peso. Do you want to know what her family did with the 11,000 peso? Her father, uncle, brothers or her Pinoy boyfriend would have taken about half of it and bought a few cases of Red Horse, got drunk and gambled with the rest. The next day, with whatever money your girl had left, they would have hosted a lechon banquet at their house for their tribe, with more Red Horse to wash that pork down. This would have been to celebrate the girl catching a fat American whale and to show off to their extended family how rich they are.

As someone mentioned earlier, a girl who loves you will do so regardless of whether you send money or not. They are perfectly capable of surviving without a white man's money.

My suggestion to you is to go to the Philippines and just fuck as many hookers as you can. Depending on how old you are and on your Viagra dosage, you should be able to work through two hookers a day. You will learn a lot about the Pinay character and then be in a better position to make an informed decision. Yes, I know that hookers don't represent all Filipinas, but from the lake you're fishing in, it won't matter.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2524093]I mentioned before about local 3rd parties knowing instantly where the girl and relationship sit and it would be hard to think of a better qualified group than Embassy Visa staff.[/QUOTE]Another thing to do would be to tell the girl he wants to come live in PI. I had met a Brazilian chick online and was talking to her for about 1 week. She was adamant about coming to live in the USA. When I kept insisting that I did not think it was a good idea and it would be better for me to move to Brazil, she blocked me.

An expired college ID will get you pretty far in the philippines. I'm not suprised she was able to pick up the money.

[QUOTE=Drbombay;2524085]You are going to do what you will do and Good Luck with that. I've been criticized myself for some of my approaches to dealing with women I've discussed here. But there is one thing you really need to be aware of.

If she has no ID, and the only one is a college ID which has expired, how did she cash the money you sent to her? You have to have some type of ID to get it cashed. So she used a fake ID? Then that means either you are not knowing her real name or she gave you some reason why she used that name that sounded plausible. Or, you were asked to send it to her brother / sister / cousin, etc. To cash it in for her. Though I'm not trying to be suspicious, that sounds a little scammy.

You say you have done well in business and can afford this, well I ask that you use some of that business sense and apply it to this situation. Ask yourself, with the amount of advice and things being brought up to you, would you actually enter a deal for work with the same details?

No ID will catch up to one at the great arbiter, the US Embassy there. When I was going through the process with my current wife, who is a Japanese citizen coming from the land of "organization for organizations sake" we had to present all types of forms, income made, health data, etc. To the Embassy in Tokyo just to get her Green Card submitted. While I was there, there was an American trying to get his Pinay "girlfriend" in the process. It was interesting to watch since it was an open bay area, when the US government person was asking for proof of relationship since they had only been together for a short time and he had to start providing pictures of them from various times to show that he had indeed been knowing her. He was coming in as one of the US citizens working for the bases here, and thought he could get away. I didn't get to see the end of it all but before I left, they were having a "moment of truth" when all of a sudden those youngster who had been his girls nieces all of a sudden came up with a more closer relationship (I. E. They were actually hers) and the Embassy staff started showing him all of the forms that stated if he sponsors her and family he would be liable to support them and they wouldn't be eligible for any public assistance (this was in 2008) which was and still is the law. We were leaving when he had to pull her to the side to get to the bottom line. Wish I could have stayed to see it. Made my long wait time and fees paid well worth it.

If you think this is the right path for you, head down it. But don't come back here 6 months later complaining about what happened. You can do that, expect to get heaped on by the Lurkers, and afterwards we will welcome you into the official club of "Lurkering![/QUOTE]

The posts below point to bunch of books about how women drain the energy and life of men. This is actually very old knowledge. Mature societies such as Greece and judaism celebrate same sex friendships for emotional support rather than placing all their eggs in one basket, a woman, which is what western society promotes. A single point of failure. And one that encourages GDP consumption, being a work slave and fleeced by taxes without any reciprocation by corrupt politicians who only listen to their lobbyist paymasters and will not even meet their free constituents. Elections are PR.

Men who fail to develop strong long term friendships (and thus social connection) and robust self esteem are fragile. Looking for a magic carpet ride from a single female to fill this vacuum is doomed to failure. Women also get fucked over building their future on a single point of failure. For men, put down the booze as self medication, work out (this creates potent brain chemicals), sleep well and realize porn is just another monkey brain stimulant. We need to get self-control, good, trusted friends or relatives and be aware of triggers that control us. The brain is a useful tool, but like an aircraft, it will go haywire unless properly managed and we recognize and avoid fooling ourselves with magic thinking, drama, fucked people and fucked economies.

3rd world countries amplify this insane hope a woman will make us whole, because it is transactional. The girls trade looks and sex for security like anywhere, but unlike the west are relative cultural and educational aliens with divided loyalties. They see fat, flabby white men (or fit young ones) as their meal ticket, just as sugar babies in the US do. There is no discrimination by flips on race or age, only money. The long line or honey and lonely men have themselves to blame, and going to Asia to solve the empty self will fail. It is down to YOU to fix the foundations.

By all means go on a diving trip, a nice swim, cold beer, chill, some young women to enjoy, but remember why they hanging out. Don't let monkey brain and oxytocin confuse you. They are garnish. The main meal is you living happily in your own skin.

Viper. I've been thinking about your case much more than I should. I think you should really consider who you are asking advice from by posting on this board. Everyone here was a newb once and got burned somehow by some girl. I feel bad for you, because you seem like a guy who is geniuinely in love and wants it all to work out. Most of the advice you've gotten is overly negative, but completely understandable considering who it is you are asking.

I want to play the other side of the coin for a moment. What you want has about a 1 percent change of working out in my mind. If that's okay for you, then, as a believer in love, you should make a go at it, but be reasonable. And go in knowing that you don't know much about this country or the women of it. You're job is to find out as much as you can. You'll likely be disapointed by this particular woman, I'm sad to say. But there is a chance you won't be and you will live happily ever after.

I know some people have said that choosing clark is a red flag. But in my opinion, clark is a natural choice, if she thinks you are flying in. The red light district of Angeles is pretty small and distinct from Clark. Clark is a legitimate growing business area, at least before the pandemic. Who knows what it will be like after. But it doesn't throw any red flags for me. She's from zambales, Clark is the nearest airport where she can meet you at. It also could be that she just doesn't know that many places.

Theres also some nice hotels in Clark. I believe there is a holiday inn there that is pretty nice.

Some good advice from other board members. Go sow some of your seeds. Do some normal stuff before you settle down and meet her. There are a lot of filipinas out there. I suggest marrying a rich one if you can. You can kill off a whole class of future problems this way. Filipinas are romantics, and fall in love easily. Theres a lot of them without many good marraige prospects. If you're really into getting married and are geniune about it, that's a huge card you have to play.

[QUOTE=ViperF33;2523953]She told me the nearest airport to her home is Clark and never told me she would meet me at the airport. In fact she has no idea where the bus from her town will drop her off when she meets me. She will go to the bus terminal to get information.

She does not have a passport and only has her college identification which is now expired.

As far as the $200 I gave her, big deal! She did not ask for the money I sent it to her. Guys in the US would pay much more than that to video chat with someone that looks like her. Fortunately I have a very successful career and even if she just a "dream," the pleasure of video chatting with her on a daily basis makes the $200 money well spent.

Hopefully, the Philippines will open shortly. I did speak with someone at the Philippines consulate in the US and I was told travel may open by March. I can only hope.[/QUOTE]Viper, as some have said you're getting a lot of negative comments on this and I hope you understand that most of us here are just telling you what we have seen or done and sometimes wish someone would have told us. But to each his own and if this is the avenue you wish to pursue good luck.

One thing I want to ask is what time do you normally chat with this lady? The reason I ask is if she chats during your daytime that means that it's night time in the PI and if one were to check on those sites like Meet Me, Tagged, etc. You would see those are the busy hours for those young lady's to ply their trade. I've seen them do a complete time zone shift to sleep during the day and lurk at night online. Why is that? One told me the honest truth, Pinoy boys at home don't have the money to buy "gifts" from those sites, so they go where the money is. That means if she is talking to you during your daytime, she is up all night just chatting away where the money is. Just something to think about before going into this.

As others have said, slow it down, take a trip to the PI and just go to tour and then see the lady and make sure that this is something you really want. Not sure how old you are but back in the 80's Eddie Murphy did a comedy stand-up routine in of his earlier films where he was going to marry an African woman because they weren't going to be jaded like American women and once he got her back to the USA the American women taught her a very frightening word: "Half" so when she is ready to divorceafter he makes $100 million and she makes $110 at a store selling gifts she said "I want Half!" I'm sure that type of joke is not PC these days but you get the point. Don't get to the point where after 6 months this lady is going to want her "Half" from you.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2524241]Viper. I've been thinking about your case much more than I should. I think you should really consider who you are asking advice from by posting on this board...[/QUOTE]True. Keep in mind every monger I know (myself excluded, of course. &#128513 is damaged or socially inept in some way. I'm yet to meet an exception. This definitely affects our outlook on life. Joe Q Citizen just doesn't fly half way around the world, or even go live there, to pay to fuck kids 1/3 his age.

The OP should keep this in mind when he reads all the advice about the girls being crazy gold diggers.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2524241]Everyone here was a newb once and got burned somehow by some girl..[/QUOTE]Yes, but most of us have also had some stallar good times too. 😎.

Enjoy. G.

[QUOTE=Kazeu;2524241]Viper. I've been thinking about your case much more than I should. I think you should really consider who you are asking advice from by posting on this board. I feel bad for you, because you seem like a guy who is geniuinely in love and wants it all to work out. Most of the advice you've gotten is overly negative, but completely understandable considering who it is you are asking.[/QUOTE]What you ought to consider is who is doing the asking. This could be a guy who's never had a girlfriend in his life, and who can't get laid in his own country. A situation, in other words, that no one here has experienced, or can relate to.

[QUOTE=Goferring;2524270]True. Keep in mind every monger I know (myself excluded, of course. &#128513 is damaged or socially inept in some way. I'm yet to meet an exception.[/QUOTE]I can't verify that opinion as I go to meet girls not other mongers. If a guy even tries to start a conversation with me he gets the ' why the fuck are you talking to me look'. Maybe that is my social ineptness!

[QUOTE=GDreams;2524310]If a guy even tries to start a conversation with me he gets the ' why the fuck are you talking to me look'. Maybe that is my social ineptness![/QUOTE]QED. 😉.

Everybody goes for different reasons. Nothing wrong with that.

Cheers. G.

This pandemic needs to go. You can tell how bored everyone is by how much they're delving into this long distance relationship that's doomed to fail. EVERYONE's telling Viper "NOOOO, don't do it! But he'll probably do it. And we're all addicted to the drama. Because there's really nothing to write about, sadly. Can't wait til the end of 2021!