Medellin Reports

[QUOTE=Miguelito9;1805861]Hello chaps,

I have noticed there are plenty of good posts and information about casas and other short time opportunities, but there is little mentioned when it comes to long time.

Well, call me romantic but I am looking for the old fashion TLN. I am wondering, are there any pick up places for quality chicas without taking my chances at a randomly chosen club?

I mean after all we are willing to pay, aren't we? Let's say places like "Helpi Disco" in Rio or "Classico" in Sosa used to be. Or is Columbia simply the wrong place that?[/QUOTE]Hi Miguelito9,

I've written before about staying at Colombia Jake's place. (Actually, it's the only place I've stayed for mongering in Medellin.) I once did TLN which was very satisfying. 300 k to the girl. Reading the board, it sounds like you can have it cheaper (about 200 k, maybe even 150 k), but as you point out, you take a risk, while in my experience Jake's girls have been consistently good in looks and attitude.

[QUOTE=Halcyon901;1806056]I stayed there a few weeks ago, you have to pay extra to bring a chica to your room (even if you registered for 2 people). I forgot the fee, it was either 100 k COP or $100 USD (I know that's a big cost difference but I never planned to bring anyone back), its on the guest registration that you sign when checking in. [/QUOTE]Once again, in spite of the quite liberal habits that we experience [I]in some enviroment[/I], of prostitution being legal (and even shown off in some areas de tolerancia), I wish to remind that most Colombians are very traditional minded. If one does not understand this, can have some problems in dealing with regular life here.

Upper-class hotels will NEVER be happy to see guests taking back a girl, imagine someone clearly looking as a prepago. And the regular guests of such hotels (families, couples, male and female business travellers) will depreciate immediately their consideration for the hotel, should they see a prepago entering the premises. All this, even if at short distance streets might be populated by girls dressed "for work" like in De Greiff.

This is so clearly understood, that all upper-class hotels impose very strict policies about bringing back "guests" to rooms. They are simply NOT happy to allow that, and they do what they can to discourage it.

In Sheraton Four Points, I could bring back my girlfriend one night, and the extra fee is 40k (I am not sure, it was a couple of years ago). BUT, the policy states that, for any second DIFFERENT guest, the fees is 100k (over maybe 250k / night fare). I asked the management, "complaining" for this, and their reply was "Sorry, we understand your point, you have two friends, they are decently dressed and they are your real friends, but this is our hotel policy, [I]to discourage people to bring occasional ladies back to rooms[/I]".

This policy (a fee for the first girl, another super-fee for the second) is very common in Colombia.

In Cartagena, I was used to go to a small cozy boutique hotel in the Centro, until they set an even stricter policy: no guests allowed, [I]unless the guest is registered with her name and cedula on the first day upon checking in[/I]. I asked why, claiming that my novia would have been joining me after 2-3 days, and their reply was "You can give us her name and cedula today, so we look forward to welcome her too one of the next days".

Colombians like sex and are much more liberal than, say, NorthAmericans. But the common understanding is that couples (being the girl an occasional friend, a prepago, or the official novia) go to a short- time hotel, if they cannot go at home. This explains the outstanding availability of love motels, equipped beyond what can be imagined by anyone living in USA or Europe (see Ibiza [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?583-Medellin-Reports&p=1775320&viewfull=1#post1775320[/URL]).

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1805993]There are different strokes for different folks. DR and CO are apples to oranges. You may want to travel alone instead of trying to "convince" others to go to a place that you think you may like. Read some of the following comparisons and contrasts:

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2227-Sosua-Reports&p=1801130&viewfull=1#post1801130[/URL]

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2227-Sosua-Reports&p=1801868&viewfull=1#post1801868[/URL]

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2227-Sosua-Reports&p=1802008&viewfull=1#post1802008[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks for the links, very useful. We'll probably visit all three destinations at some point (MDE DR SXM), the more relevant question would be [I]In what order?[/I] We've done three of these trips so far and it's been awesome, so we're going to keep this going, one vacation at a time. I'm sort of in charge of planning so that's why I'm trying to get as good as an idea as I can of different destinations. I realise that you won't get the complete picture sitting behind your computer at home, but it's what I have to go with. This forum is an invaluable source of information for this purpose.

We've done a trip to Rio de Janeiro last year, and this year we went to a small Caribbean island (twice). Both were firsts for us, worked out very good (and are apples to pears as much as MDE and DR are). Now looking for our next stop and Medellin is strong on my radar, but still keeping other options open. So far I got a feeling it's going to be either DR or MDE, and I'm sure both will be good. Our guys all like latina pussy, culture, music, food and a bit of the roughness and drama that comes with it. But that's all from our perspective outside of one of the motherlands. It's time to go in.

Not really fans of camping in one spot, as we much rather be exploring and getting a good feel of the city and also doing some non-monger activities. I get the idea that choosing for Mansion or Jake will put us in a completely different space compared to landing in an apartment in Poblado, and may keep us from action outside. Probably because a lot can be had right where you are. I still find it difficult to assess the 'dangers' in MDE for a mongerer, security wise. Not convinced it's an extremely dangerous city if you stay in the 'normal' mongering areas and use common sense. I don't want to miss out on getting a glimpse of daily life as a local and definitely don't want to miss out on the 'action' tearing through the casa's. Cons and pros. Thanks again for your contributions. Will keep reading.

Enjoy your weekend.

Thank you very much for the valuable information. I will just plan on always staying at the Mansion if I do regular Medellin trips.

With respect to the many comments about the local culture disapproving of escorts entering hotels, I think you are overestimating how much everyone can notice. Throughout the world, including countries where sex work is completely illegal, attractive young women walk around hotels, meet guys in the lobby, and walk up to rooms an knock on doors. It happens every night in the finest hotels in the world and unless you walk right by a door while an attractive young lady is knocking, no one knows whether or not she is a sex worker.

Amazes me that Medellin doesn't think it can function in the same way. Sounds like it is something that is more oriented toward obtaining more revenue. If a person has to pay a guest fee at a chain hotel. More revenue. If he stays there and travels to one of the many well regarded brothels. More revenue for the cab and brothel. If he gets a love motel room in addition to the chain hotel room. More revenue (two rooms). So staying at a place like the Mansion, which is more expensive, can still make sense (but more revenue for the Mansion). I realize it is all worth it since the Colombia costs are so reasonable, but I am skeptical that it is to avoid offending the other guests since that does not happen anywhere else in the world.

[QUOTE=Halcyon901;1806056]I stayed there a few weeks ago, you have to pay extra to bring a chica to your room (even if you registered for 2 people). I forgot the fee, it was either 100 k COP or $100 USD (I know that's a big cost difference but I never planned to bring anyone back), its on the guest registration that you sign when checking in. You won't be able to sneak them either, you have to walk past the reception to get to the elevators, and someone is always there.

And yes, it was only 15,000 points per night there. Location is good if you take cabs, since its on Avenida Poblado. But quite a trek to the metro.

2 hotels that I have not had any trouble bringing girls up are LE Parc and Hotel Diez Categoria (both around Parque Lleras). But I only brought 1 chica up my entire stay, and I've head Hotel Diez can enforce the guest policy sometimes. The bellboy at LE Parc said it was no issue, but last time I stayed there was over a year ago.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;1806159]With respect to the many comments about the local culture disapproving of escorts entering hotels, I think you are overestimating how much everyone can notice. Throughout the world, including countries where sex work is completely illegal, attractive young women walk around hotels, meet guys in the lobby, and walk up to rooms an knock on doors. It happens every night in the finest hotels in the world and unless you walk right by a door while an attractive young lady is knocking, no one knows whether or not she is a sex worker.[/QUOTE]Spoken like a true foreigner. Wherever you go locals can take one look at a girl when she is with a foreigner and tell whether she is a hooker or not. They are not as naive as you may think. I remember one guy in the Rio thread saying how he was out to dinner at a nice restaurant with a girl and she looked so good that he people kept looking their way. I replied they did that because they wondered what this guy was doing wining and dining a hooker, not because of how good she looked. Just because something is legal does not mean it is not looked down on or is widely accepted and should be flaunted.

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;1806159]
With respect to the many comments about the local culture disapproving of escorts entering hotels, I think you are overestimating how much everyone can notice. Throughout the world, including countries where sex work is completely illegal, attractive young women walk around hotels, meet guys in the lobby, and walk up to rooms an knock on doors. It happens every night in the finest hotels in the world and unless you walk right by a door while an attractive young lady is knocking, no one knows whether or not she is a sex worker.[/QUOTE]Really no one?

[QUOTE=Mongerer88;1806159](...) but I am skeptical that it is to avoid offending the other guests since that does not happen anywhere else in the world.[/QUOTE]Have you been to Colombia?

[QUOTE=BlackPage;1806231]Really no one?

Have you been to Colombia?[/QUOTE]Nope. With the exception of some planned group tourism activities, I will try to stay in the Mansion and surrounding restaurants to avoid offending any of the upstanding local populace.

I am more of a Europe and North American mongerer, where I have certainly had no problem with women coming up to the room, or accompanying them up to the room. I know to respect each different culture, which is why I asked about experiences with the Holiday Inn Express. But it seems to me that it benefits everyone to have women treated as equals, be allowed to roam freely, and be accepted whether or not they participate in the sex work industry. But who knows, maybe the prices would go up if that were so.

I do know that in Buenos Aires, all but one of the four ladies I saw registered at the front desk of the Hyatt and they called before she came up to my room. No "joiner fee" obviously. The one that did not was a European lady named Mia (Italian heritage but raised in Great Britain). She said she was simply treated differently in the hotels than darker-skinned sex workers. I felt a little uncomfortable with that, but she had lived a lot of different places and just accepted it as part of the culture.

I noticed that in Bangkok, the ladies automatically went to the front desk and registered. I have never seen or heard of this in Europe or North America, regardless of whether it is "legal" in that country, nor do any "guards" stop women from entering hotels in Europe or North America. So it is useful for "true foreigners" like me to ask about hotel guest policies.

Please consider this a well meaning advice. If you can, please take down your TA review. I know Sites hotel. They are good folks with good hotel at a good price and great service. A public review like that may benefit few rare single men who does know about ISG, but as [B]Black Page[/B] says, but it is certainly detrimental to the hotel. It is not just about negative opinions about the hotel (families and couples) but there are other issues which I will be happy to share via PM.

[QUOTE=Quagmire1974;1804569]I was lodged in a hotel called Sites in Medellin from 30 October to 8 November. I have a review of this hotel written over on TripAdvisor titled "Excelente (Excellent) for Medellin!" The hotel is chica friendly, and this is what I said in my review about that:

Single gentlemen, you might be wondering, "Is Hotel Sites chica friendly?" The answer is yes, but remember that when you make your reservation, make it for two people and not one. If you make a reservation for two people and then bring your chica back to your room, the additional cost is only 7,500 COP. However, if you make your reservation for one person and then bring your chica back to your room, the additional cost is a much-higher 100,000 COP.

Please let me know if you have any questions.[/QUOTE]

I will again quote a friend who said that while he understood that people need to use hookers, but why do gringos insist on taking them out in public.

They mostly can tell with one look that the chica is a hooker.

[QUOTE=Halcyon901;1806056]I stayed there a few weeks ago, you have to pay extra to bring a chica to your room (even if you registered for 2 people). I forgot the fee, it was either 100 k COP or $100 USD (I know that's a big cost difference but I never planned to bring anyone back), its on the guest registration that you sign when checking in. You won't be able to sneak them either, you have to walk past the reception to get to the elevators, and someone is always there.

And yes, it was only 15,000 points per night there. Location is good if you take cabs, since its on Avenida Poblado. But quite a trek to the metro.

2 hotels that I have not had any trouble bringing girls up are LE Parc and Hotel Diez Categoria (both around Parque Lleras). But I only brought 1 chica up my entire stay, and I've head Hotel Diez can enforce the guest policy sometimes. The bellboy at LE Parc said it was no issue, but last time I stayed there was over a year ago.[/QUOTE]Yes. Holiday Inn Express nails you with a substantial "chica fee". I brought my novia there the second night of my trip. They charged me a "chica fee" because I did not declare her upon checking in. And yes, it was stated there in the check-in rules. They also hit me with the hotel tax that they co not charge tourists because she was a local girl. The rules state that if a "local" stays at the hotel for even one night, they will charge you the additional hotel tax that locals pay for the entire stay. Same exact thing happened to me at a boutique hotel in Parqe Lleras. Read the fine print.

[QUOTE=BeersTerry;1806346]I will again quote a friend who said that while he understood that people need to use hookers, but why do gringos insist on taking them out in public.

They mostly can tell with one look that the chica is a hooker.[/QUOTE]That is a highly judgmental statement, on your friends part I mean.

So what if they can tell? I do it all the time and have a great time doing it. I do it because I enjoy going out, dancing, eating out and hanging out. Like all finer things in life, you have to put some thought into it and manage it. The girl and you have to dress elegantly, behave appropriately and pick the right place to go. For guys that like to take working girls out, they are saying that for them it is not just about sex. The girls I take out, you will never be able to tell they are working. However, you may be able to tell by looking at me that I must be paying her to be with me. My problem. Not hers. Ha ha.

The way I see it, and as long as she is willing and does not feel uncomfortable being seen with an older man, I don't care what the rest of the world thinks.

To quote a friend of mine who said the reason he does not take working girls out is because he calculates that for the amount of money I spend on a night out, he could have sex with her twice. A lot of guys think that way. I respect their decision. Their money and their choice.

Live and let live.

[QUOTE=HardWay6;1806385]Yes. Holiday Inn Express nails you with a substantial "chica fee". I brought my novia there the second night of my trip. They charged me a "chica fee" because I did not declare her upon checking in. And yes, it was stated there in the check-in rules. They also hit me with the hotel tax that they co not charge tourists because she was a local girl. The rules state that if a "local" stays at the hotel for even one night, they will charge you the additional hotel tax that locals pay for the entire stay. Same exact thing happened to me at a boutique hotel in Parqe Lleras. Read the fine print.[/QUOTE]I read the law and I didn't find anything about if you have a local guest you need to pat the VAT. Here's the law:

Am I exempted from paying VAT tax at the hotel?

You will be exempted from paying 16% VAT if you are buying accommodation services like "packages" that combine for example hotel stay and transport or hotel stay and restaurant or breakfast.

The hotel must be officially registered in the National Tourism Register.

You bought a package or plan from a registered Tour Operator.

Are all foreigners in Colombia hotel tax exempted?

No, according to Colombian law 2646 from 2013 if you are a non-resident foreign visitor or Colombia national you are granted a VAT tax exemption only if you fulfill these conditions:

Original passport with your Colombia entrance stamp showing that you are not being longer than 183 days in the country.

Original passport with tourist visa TP-11 or.

Andean card or Mercosur card with stamps PIP5 or PTP-5 showing your tourist condition.

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[QUOTE=Vitrea;1806391]That is a highly judgmental statement, on your friends part I mean.

So what if they can tell? I do it all the time and have a great time doing it. I do it because I enjoy going out, dancing, eating out and hanging out. Like all finer things in life, you have to put some thought into it and manage it. The girl and you have to dress elegantly, behave appropriately and pick the right place to go. For guys that like to take working girls out, they are saying that for them it is not just about sex. The girls I take out, you will never be able to tell they are working. However, you may be able to tell by looking at me that I must be paying her to be with me. My problem. Not hers. Ha ha.

The way I see it, and as long as she is willing and does not feel uncomfortable being seen with an older man, I don't care what the rest of the world thinks.

To quote a friend of mine who said the reason he does not take working girls out is because he calculates that for the amount of money I spend on a night out, he could have sex with her twice. A lot of guys think that way. I respect their decision. Their money and their choice.

Live and let live.[/QUOTE]I ditto your statement. I too enjoy taking girls out for the night to eat, drink and dance. I have allot of fun as this takes me back a few decades to a time when my life was simpler and free.

Example, a few weeks ago I had a session with a sweetheart of a girl from New Life over by the stadium so I set up a date night with her a few days later. We met at a nice restaurant in Poblado, then had drinks, walked around and ended up spending hours at the Gusto disco enjoying dancing and getting drunk together. What a night! Didn't even fuck her that night but nevertheless was one of the highlights of my trip.

To each his own. And we communicate now weeks later on Whats App asking when I will return. What a sweetheart and I may add you can not teach a person how to really take care of her man like she did, all naturally. Got to love these Paisas!

The Tall Man.

It's not uncommon for a woman to be with an older man under legitimate circumstances in Medellin or many other places. However the way the girl presents herself--both aesthetically and in terms of her attitude--is how people can tell or not. If you have good chemistry with a girl and she isn't an over-the-top pro ho, you are in fine shape. If you're with some high-heeled, high-skirted girl who has a tattoo of a man's name on her chest and a tramp stamp that extends down to her asshole and all she does is look at her phone for two hours at dinner, then you're giving it all away. I guess what I am saying is that if the GFE is limited to DFK, then leave her at home. If you are actually friends and can ACT normal together, then you will also LOOK normal together.