Seeking Arrangements

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2566768]Thing is if her desire was cut in half it would still be higher than most women, so we will see. I have a feeling she may be the exception but I know how lame that sounds.

As for being hurt, I talked to someone about this, and they said that the guy she was previously with did not feel worthy of her. He threatened her with all kinds of crazy things. I can see why. In some ways, she is too good to be true. Imagine a woman who draws stares from all kinds of guys, who has a sex drive where she wants to fuck all the time (hell, she was giving me a handjob in the cab tonight), but is kind and giving. She cooks for me and is good at it, likes to clean, has not asked for anything material, and whose favorite activity is cuddling with me in bed.

You would think with that high of a sex drive she has been with many men, but I am only her 4th guy. It sounds like BS right, but there really was not much point in saying now. Some people just get no desire having sex with any one but their chose partner. I am not like that, but her personality type is.

So yeah, you are right. That is the course of a typical relationship, but she is anything but typical. Usually the hottest women are the most crazy but so far I have not seen that at all.[/QUOTE]Elvis, take my advice: go for it and enjoy! Do not fear the potential of it falling apart. The only thing you have to lose is opportunity costs to not find someone else. But if you are not needy and you can live with the fact that this may end, you will never forget it and it just becomes good memories of your life, even if there are some tears involved in the end.

I have made complete peace with "illusions" that are "not real". If it feels real at the moment that is what matters! Then it IS real at the moment. If two years later it feels no longer good, that doesn't mean it wasn't real.

The only reason to really angle for a stable LTR that lasts decades is for the purpose of raising your offspring. That is a good goal to have. And that is where you really need to watch all the factors, your own needs and failings included.

Be aware about borderline personality disorder. The hyper-sexed behavior can be a way to reel you in. Watch for her controlling and manipulating you. Isolating you. Wanting you all for herself is cute and feels good. But if your issues are being ironed over by her steamrolling whims of the moment, that is a long term problem. But like I said above, enjoy. I have a special taste for BPD girls for this hyper-emotion which I love and savor. You must, however, never become dependent on one of them and never end up in a situation where a BPD girl has the upper hand over you, or has you by the balls.

Having children together is the big problem. The big trap. You can't have children with an insane woman. That's why they say "don't stick your dick in crazy". I guess be aware of this risk and deal with it. Also, you cannot really deny a woman children. Biology matters. Just like a woman cannot really deny a man sex. It will blow up.

It does, in Serbia & in Hungary for sure. I knew it even before I paid for the subscription, but this has only confirmed it. The only reason I have subscribed for a month was a bet which I won, so I actuall made money out if this. I monger in Belgrade & in Budapest & working girls are the only real thing. Seeking is all about scam & wasting time. There are working girls there too, but uglier & more expensive. So many scammers & cheaters with stolen photos, so many fake profiles. Such a shitty website. I am amazed someone did not take legal actions against them yet. But, I'm sure it is just a matter of time.

So quiet in here. Surely someone somewhere in the world is smashing some SA girls. Do tell!

My personal situation is that:

A. Layla is kinda gone cool. Can't get her out on a date. I guess ti be expected. We've lasted a long time by SA standards - 9 months. Going to keep pinging her for a date till I find something better.

B. Mina (not Mika) was the CBJ Queen and a quick fuck and go on our second date so not a repeat. Boo.

My thing with Mika is awesome. But that's sporadic because she's remote and I have to fly her wherever.

So bit of a draught for me locally. How's about you guys?

[QUOTE=IlDrago;2568025]It does, in Serbia & in Hungary for sure. I knew it even before I paid for the subscription, but this has only confirmed it. The only reason I have subscribed for a month was a bet which I won, so I actuall made money out if this. I monger in Belgrade & in Budapest & working girls are the only real thing. Seeking is all about scam & wasting time. There are working girls there too, but uglier & more expensive. So many scammers & cheaters with stolen photos, so many fake profiles. Such a shitty website. I am amazed someone did not take legal actions against them yet. But, I'm sure it is just a matter of time.[/QUOTE]SA works great for me. You are the one with the shitty attitude. You should not be able sell your crappy service. Yes, I asked you a question. You replied with a bad attitude.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2568095]So quiet in here. Surely someone somewhere in the world is smashing some SA girls. Do tell!

My personal situation is that:

A. Layla is kinda gone cool. Can't get her out on a date. I guess ti be expected. We've lasted a long time by SA standards - 9 months. Going to keep pinging her for a date till I find something better.

B. Mina (not Mika) was the CBJ Queen and a quick fuck and go on our second date so not a repeat. Boo.

My thing with Mika is awesome. But that's sporadic because she's remote and I have to fly her wherever.

So bit of a draught for me locally. How's about you guys?[/QUOTE]I am still killing in MTY, but working my ass off on the new business in San Antonio, so not that much time for fun. Moving to SA full time this weekend. I have tried SA in San Antonio, I usually get fed up with the girls and blocked them. I have it so good in MYY, not sure the girls in San Antonio will ever measure up. I am so close to MTY now, I can make under 5 hour drive so I real am not even trying in San Antonio. Also, I am making fitness a priority after work, so just not enough time at the moment.

Next week I have two trips to MTY, I have a birthday bash. I do not want to jinx it, but more details to follow. It could be really good. Steve, I love your reports, you have a lot of patience to deal with the American ladies. They drive me crazy and not in a good way.

I do want to try and give SA a chance in San Antonio, when things settle down. I had a lot of problems with the guy I bought the business from, he has been terminated and my lawyer is on his ass. My lawyer is amazing and a great role model. We never lose. This jack ass will get what is coming to him. The business is great and we already killing it. Life is great both professionally and socially. I absolutely love San Antonio. 2 years ago I was in Houston miserable. A lot has changed, I bought the business in Austin, we will triple revenue in 2 years, (During the Pandemic) and now I am in SA on the new venture.

Next report will be all girls. Elvis, Steve, Midwestern and others I just wanted to say thank you, I have learned a lot from all of you guys. SA is by far the best page and have so much valuable information.

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Next report will be all girls. Elvis, Steve, Midwestern and others I just wanted to say thank you, I have learned a lot from all of you guys. SA is by far the best page and have so much valuable information.[/QUOTE]Thanks, DF, I am at a friend's place now with some buddies. He was showing me a picture of Rebecca Ramos and we have a mutual friend who knows her: [URL]https://www.google.com/search?q=rebecca[/URL]+ramos&rlz=1 C1 CHBF_enMX893 MX893&sxsrf=ALeKk00 MgEt0 csKquOrsynYHWIt89 jg-dg:1623517861584&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2 ahUKEwiH-LOry5 LxAhVWV80 KHSL9 DK8 Q_AUoAnoECAEQBA&biw=966&bih=494#imgrc=L1 BnIAhZF2 pWQM.

I countered that I think our friend "one more time" Nancy is better looking and they all were giving me a hard time.

Wow. I just had the most amazing SA date. I found this girl a couple weeks ago. Black girl. Beautiful face. Maybe heavy downstairs she hides it all in the pics. We agree to meetup. She asks if I do PPM so I take her for a pro but I was sooooo wrong.

We are supposed to meet at 530 and she texts around 1 saying some dude sideswiped her car and she has to take an Uber but wanted me to know In case she's late. Yeah right. Nonetheless I play along and offer to send her one. She pushes things out an hour to get a pet sitter. Yeah right. Strangely this will all turn out to be true not some pro story.

Well getting her an Uber is hard as fuck. She lives in east bumblefuck and I try Lyft and Uber and no dice. I tell her we have to cancel. Then I try Uber and get a bite. It's getting late now and I ask if she still wants to come and she says yes. But the Uber guy bails. I try again for 20 or so minutes and eventually get a quality guy but our date starts 2 hrs late so fucking time is going to be a problem.

She does finally get there and sure enough her face is pretty but very bulky clothes. Hard to tell on the bod. The great news is she loves to drink and downs a maitai pretty quick. We share some apps and she gets a margarita. Drinks that fast too. Initial nerves are fading fast.

At some point she says "I know you said you look better than your pictures and that's usually BS but damn you do look better than your pictures. You are really cute. " Nice! We have some great chat and I have her laughing hard. At some point there is this long pause where we are just looking into each others eyes for a long time. It's clearly a moment.

So I say "want to get out of here" clearly code for let's go fuck and she says sure. (Turns out this babe in the woods doesn't know the code. More on that soon!) So I book a hotel while she is in the can. When we walk out she says where we going and I say to my car. She apparently thought we were walking to another bar but complies and hops in.

So we drive to the hotel. I grab a bottle of plum wine I've been storing and we go checkin. In a few moments we will discover she had no idea we were going to a hotel so she is being quite the compliant newbie like I read about on Japanese Nanpa forums. LOL.

In the room she is standing a bit at a distance and I strike a similar pose and she laughs and says is uthat what I look like and I say yes. She moves to the couch but clearly some distance from me. I join her and say "you seem really nervous. Did you not know we were coming to a hotel?" And she says no. She had no idea. So I say ok well that's cool I don't want you to do anything your uncomfortable with. And I truly mean this. I always want my SB date happy and comfortable. The rest follows.

She says "did you think we were going to have sex?" And I say yes but I am comfortable with her pace. I don't want to do anything she is uncomfortable with. Most girls are sex on the first date but some are not. That's fine. Maybe we'll just drink some wine and make out. She says sounds good.

So we start making out and DAMN that girl can kiss. Top five and that is rarified air! I start feeling her tits some and she seems a bit nervous with this but you can tell the kissing is getting her hot. At some point her hands are near my dick and I encourage a little rub. She seems hesitant.

After a bit we get up to go wipe off her copious lipstick. I am covered. And on our way back to the couch I engage her in standing kissing and it's very very good. I get her rubbing my dick over my jeans but when I go to unbuckle she balks and says I know what you want! And I say I do but how about this. Have you ever watched a guy jerk off? She says sure all the time on pornhub it's super sexy.

I say ok we can do that. And somehow I manage to get my pants down some and she goes all hands on dick. We are making out and she is stroking and rubbing. You can tell she is dying for the dick but trying to be a good girl. At some point she says it's pretty dry and I say you can help with that. LOL.

She hesitates and you can tell she's considering. She says how do I know your clean and I say "because I am". More thought and giggle and next thing you know she is on her knees with my dick in her mouth. She's not very experienced but her lips are magical and it feels great.

After a bit we retire back to the couch and drink a bit more. I get out her tits and start suckling and damn she likes that. Moaning and cooing. More nice soft BJ. She gags a couple times and I say babe you don't have to go so deep and she seems relieved. I am looking forward to giving this babe blowjob lessons!

She is on her knees on the couch and says "smack my ass" so I do smack it a few times as she continues BJ. At some point I go to feel her pussy and she tenses up and closes her legs. She mumbles something about being wet and she embarrassed. Later in the car I say being wet is awesome and nothing to be embarrassed about. She says she just didn't want me to know how turned on she was getting! OMG I love how she's trying to be good and proper and I am making her cream down her thighs. What a turn on!

Eventually with some nice mouth work and me on hand work we get er done. She has asked that I don't CIM in her mouth and I respect that, so I finish by hand as she watches me spurt from a few inches away. She loved that. She says damn that's sexy! Ok girl I'll cum for you any time baby!

I drive her back to the bar because she forgot her phone and I tell her she can keep the room all night. She is stoked about this. So she's going to party a bit more and sleep in. Pussy juice still wet on her thighs.

Had a great time. Will repeat! And she is clearly dying to get that dick inside her on date 2. Date 2 here we cum!

A question for the mongers that have experienced both FKKs and the SB scenes. I am planning to take a 2 week mongering vacation in July or August. Unfortunately, budget is a bit more limited than I hoped (fuck you, Elon).

First option is to drive all over Germany / Austria visiting 4 or 5 of the best FKKs. This is something I have wanted to do for a long time, and FKKs have also been mentioned as a must-do-in-a-lifetime-thing on these forums time and time again. There is a possibility that this will be my last mongering trip for a while, so I want to make the most of it. The problem with this option is that I am normally totally fine with just one shot a day, and spending 300 euros in a day at a FKK when probably I wouldn't enjoy the second girl doesn't sound that appealing to me. The advantage is that I can just drive to Germany in my car, and if I am bored somewhere, I can go somewhere else on a whim. I also have one or two girls from SA that I would love to meet, but of course it is a lot of work to find the right ones, so FKKs would be my main mongering target.

Second option is to take a flight to a major city in the south (I am thinking Madrid, have already done Barcelona once and been to Lisbon multiple times). I did a pure Sugar trip last year to Lisbon meeting 4/5 SBs during a week. The advantage is that Madrid seems more culturally rich and there are more activities to fill up my non-mongering time. On top of that, I really love the southern people and nothing beats the vivaciousness of the southern girls, thus chances of GFE experiences are better in the south in my opinion. Madrid also has a good brothel scene which means that if I get stood up by a Sugar Baby, there is always the backup to visit a brothel. The disadvantages are that it takes an awful lot of time to arrange sugar dates, and they have a high chance of the flaking at the last minute, which is not a risk with FKKs. Also Madrid will be freaking hot in July and August. Another disadvantage is that I would not have my car, so I will be dependent on public transportation to get out of Madrid, thus not so mobile. I would also ideally like a SB to stay with me for a longer time, which is very difficult with local SBs since they have to get home at night etc. Probably it is an option to fly over someone from Lisbon or take someone along from my home country so they will be me for a longer time period. Madrid also has the club scene, but I have been to similar clubs in Lisbon / Barcelona, but didn't really like them.

If it matters, I am a brown non-EU male in his mid 30's, fit and reasonably attractive.

What do you think I should do?

[QUOTE=JackOfNone;2569034]A question for the mongers that have experienced both FKKs and the SB scenes. I am planning to take a 2 week mongering vacation in July or August. Unfortunately, budget is a bit more limited than I hoped (fuck you, Elon).

First option is to drive all over Germany / Austria visiting 4 or 5 of the best FKKs. This is something I have wanted to do for a long time, and FKKs have also been mentioned as a must-do-in-a-lifetime-thing on these forums time and time again. There is a possibility that this will be my last mongering trip for a while, so I want to make the most of it. The problem with this option is that I am normally totally fine with just one shot a day, and spending 300 euros in a day at a FKK when probably I wouldn't enjoy the second girl doesn't sound that appealing to me. The advantage is that I can just drive to Germany in my car, and if I am bored somewhere, I can go somewhere else on a whim. I also have one or two girls from SA that I would love to meet, but of course it is a lot of work to find the right ones, so FKKs would be my main mongering target.

Second option is to take a flight to a major city in the south (I am thinking Madrid, have already done Barcelona once and been to Lisbon multiple times). I did a pure Sugar trip last year to Lisbon meeting 4/5 SBs during a week. The advantage is that Madrid seems more culturally rich and there are more activities to fill up my non-mongering time.[/QUOTE]"I am a brown non-EU male in his mid 30's, fit and reasonably attractive. " - that hardly matters when visiting WGs. Who you are and what you are like does matter for sugarbabes.

Flying to EU just for sugarbabes does not make sense to me. Not sure where you are flying from. Unless your local girls are not appealing to you, why not do your SD / SB'ing locally?

FKKs and SB scene are totally different. Also, FKKs and typical brothels are different in my view. I visit FKKs to spend all day, relax, eat or drink, ogle the 100+ naked chicks, flirt, and enjoy multiple fucks a day.

To me, FKK and SB are not either / or. They each have their place.

Personally, I love German cities as much as I do Spanish cities. But if you like Spain more, so be it.

I have used seeking for sugarbabes when visiting Spain. Sessions lasted a couple of hours or more; I did not ask them to stay overnight.

Make sure the FKKs you plan to visit are open in July, if that's when you go. Otherwise, you will be frustrated enormously. It will be early days, no idea if the quality of girls and their service will be any good. Check this site for reports on pricing and session quality.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2569056]"I am a brown non-EU male in his mid 30's, fit and reasonably attractive. " - that hardly matters when visiting WGs. Who you are and what you are like does matter for sugarbabes.

Flying to EU just for sugarbabes does not make sense to me. Not sure where you are flying from. Unless your local girls are not appealing to you, why not do your SD / SB'ing locally?

FKKs and SB scene are totally different. Also, FKKs and typical brothels are different in my view. I visit FKKs to spend all day, relax, eat or drink, ogle the 100+ naked chicks, flirt, and enjoy multiple fucks a day.

To me, FKK and SB are not either / or. They each have their place.

Personally, I love German cities as much as I do Spanish cities. But if you like Spain more, so be it.

I have used seeking for sugarbabes when visiting Spain. Sessions lasted a couple of hours or more; I did not ask them to stay overnight.

Make sure the FKKs you plan to visit are open in July, if that's when you go. Otherwise, you will be frustrated enormously. It will be early days, no idea if the quality of girls and their service will be any good. Check this site for reports on pricing and session quality.[/QUOTE]Yeah I suppose as Pessimist says if you don't care for the multiple girls and sauna type thing FKK mya not be for you. If you didn't like the club scene then I am guessing you won't like FKK much. I like both.

If you are setting up a "try for sugar baby but with failover" you might consider UK. As I have written many times Diva Escorts has amazing Romanian babes and so reliable. So spend time surfing SA. And pick out a couple girls. Try to get that end to end dating experience that only SA provides. But if you have a date fail, just book a last minute Diva girl and get your rocks off at her place.

I once had a civvy date fail at 11:45 and I was fucking Flory at her place by 12:15! It's a great escape hatch.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2569056]"I am a brown non-EU male in his mid 30's, fit and reasonably attractive. " - that hardly matters when visiting WGs. Who you are and what you are like does matter for sugarbabes.

[/QUOTE]I have to disagree but that is a discussion for another topic.

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2569088]Yeah I suppose as Pessimist says if you don't care for the multiple girls and sauna type thing FKK mya not be for you. If you didn't like the club scene then I am guessing you won't like FKK much. I like both.

If you are setting up a "try for sugar baby but with failover" you might consider UK. As I have written many times Diva Escorts has amazing Romanian babes and so reliable. So spend time surfing SA. And pick out a couple girls. Try to get that end to end dating experience that only SA provides. But if you have a date fail, just book a last minute Diva girl and get your rocks off at her place.

I once had a civvy date fail at 11:45 and I was fucking Flory at her place by 12:15! It's a great escape hatch.[/QUOTE]Thanks Steve, indeed I hadn't thought about London as an option, that's a great place to consider. I will research a bit on what are the general expectations of SA girls in London.

[QUOTE=Oneminuteboy;2569143]I have to disagree but that is a discussion for another topic.[/QUOTE]Hey we are not narrow minded here. We love a good debate! What's your POV? Spill your guts on this.

[QUOTE=Pessimist;2569056]"I am a brown non-EU male in his mid 30's, fit and reasonably attractive. " - that hardly matters when visiting WGs. Who you are and what you are like does matter for sugarbabes.
he FKKs you plan to visit are open in July, if that's when you go. Otherwise, you will be frustrated enormously. It will be early days, no idea if the quality of girls and their service will be any good. Check this site for reports on pricing and session quality.[/QUOTE]I am in the EU already, within driving distance of Germany, that's why I mentioned I can just drive to Germany but would have to fly to Madrid. About mentioning the brown non-EU part, the reason is that I have always felt a certain coolness from WGs in the north and Russians. Maybe Russians are a bit cold to everyone, I don't know and I am probably unfairly generalizing them. I know the FKKs are full of Romanian WGs, thus I am a bit skeptic about the GFE part which is quite important to me I never felt that in the south, thus I mentioned that as a possible positive point in favour of the south.

You are absolutely right, both are totally different experiences, and its pretty hard to choose one when I have not experienced FKKs already. I am sure I will experience everything in due date, but just wanted to ask exp mongers what would they go for if they were in the same situation (and kind of the same mindset as me).

[QUOTE=JackOfNone;2569146]I am in the EU already, within driving distance of Germany, that's why I mentioned I can just drive to Germany but would have to fly to Madrid. About mentioning the brown non-EU part, the reason is that I have always felt a certain coolness from WGs in the north and Russians. Maybe Russians are a bit cold to everyone, I don't know and I am probably unfairly generalizing them. I know the FKKs are full of Romanian WGs, thus I am a bit skeptic about the GFE part which is quite important to me I never felt that in the south, thus I mentioned that as a possible positive point in favour of the south.

You are absolutely right, both are totally different experiences, and its pretty hard to choose one when I have not experienced FKKs already. I am sure I will experience everything in due date, but just wanted to ask exp mongers what would they go for if they were in the same situation (and kind of the same mindset as me).[/QUOTE]Well, I am not brown, so I can't say for sure. But then again, I have received indifferent service from WGs, and perhaps they gave good service to some others. Who knows why that could be? I have received good service and indifferent service from the same girls depending on the day.

I see brown, black, yellow and white dudes in these fuck clubs all the time and by and large they all seem to be happy to just be there. I would not overthink it. Just go, give it a try, and form your own opinion based on your own experience. If anything, you need multiple, repeat experiences to form a reasonably accurate view. And circumstances keep changing, so the reality itself could change over time. So, again, I come back to "just visit the FKKs and decide if they are for you or not" mantra.

BTW, if I read Steve correctly, he is saying he uses a service called Diva / others in London. I know he has written more than a report on this, just search these threads. He is here, can elaborate. I am not so sure if London is a great place to visit just to hook up with new sugarbabes. It is a super expensive city and the simple rule of thumb is that the expectations of girls with regards to allowance etc in such cities are quite high. When I paid for SBs in the expensive cities in the US, it was always higher or significantly higher than it is in heartland or the South / SE. Makes ample sense too.

If you are already in EU, why are you not trying to look up seeking in your vicinity for girls? Why come here and waste time? Pretty much most places in W Eu are fertile grounds for finding sugarbabes. Instead of going somewhere else, find what is available where you are at the moment.