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Sexmachine1,thanks for your angeles trip report, it seems to be pointing out exactly what I and many others have found in the new angeles.
I have also read today your Pattaya trip report and in all honesty it is black from white.
Angeles bar owners take note.
[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1836023]Sexmachine1,thanks for your angeles trip report, it seems to be pointing out exactly what I and many others have found in the new angeles.
I have also read today your Pattaya trip report and in all honesty it is black from white.
Angeles bar owners take note.[/QUOTE]I've been to AC once, and decided not to indulge in some of my fetishes. Being unsure on how it would be perceived but now my second time there.
Curious as how that plays out meaning do I pay more do they laugh call you weird and all the girls refused to go with ever if you say they don't have to do it anymore. I've rtff and didn't find much.
[QUOTE=PipJaeger;1836019]Sorry if it seems like I'm bursting your bubble, but based on what you've written, it sounds to me more like you picked up a FL; either a pro or semi-pro. If anyone thinks FL's don't know where bored foreigners go during the daytime then they're delusional.
Had you scored with one of the shop girls, cashiers, call center girls or so on, then different story. Many of them can be had, but they usually require a bit more work, patience and time. Something most of us who are there for a week or so don't normally have.[/QUOTE]Exactly. Mall workers call centers girls etc. Work ungodly hours that leave them zero time for a short term visitor. All single girls in the Phils are not FL. However, a western guy giving a poor third world girl who is likely younger than him substantially and economically certainly, student whatever don't make them all prostitutes. Its survival and hoping for a better future. One guy might be their ticket out. It doesn't mean they do this for a living or many times. Pinay are hopeless romantics additionally. Not all pros or 'semipros' whatever that means.
[QUOTE=PipJaeger;1836019]Sorry if it seems like I'm bursting your bubble, but based on what you've written, it sounds to me more like you picked up a FL; either a pro or semi-pro. If anyone thinks FL's don't know where bored foreigners go during the daytime then they're delusional.
Had you scored with one of the shop girls, cashiers, call center girls or so on, then different story. Many of them can be had, but they usually require a bit more work, patience and time. Something most of us who are there for a week or so don't normally have.[/QUOTE]I'm sure you're right PJ, I can live with that. It was still an unplanned and enjoyable experience. She certainly didn't need much persuading to come with me!
[QUOTE=WorldTraveler3;1836068]I've been to AC once, and decided not to indulge in some of my fetishes. Being unsure on how it would be perceived but now my second time there.
Curious as how that plays out meaning do I pay more do they laugh call you weird and all the girls refused to go with ever if you say they don't have to do it anymore. I've rtff and didn't find much.[/QUOTE]There is nothing you could say to most bargirls (within reason) that they have not heard before, so do not be shy but be nice about the way you ask.
Some might refuse (nicely), some might be willing to do your fetishes for the right price,
You will never know unless you ask.
[QUOTE=Pantot;1836080]Exactly. Mall workers call centers girls etc. Work ungodly hours that leave them zero time for a short term visitor. All single girls in the Phils are not FL. However, a western guy giving a poor third world girl who is likely younger than him substatianlly and economically certainly, student whatever don't make them all prostitutes. Its survival and hoping for a better future. One guy might be thier ticket out. It doesn't mean they do this for a living or many times. Pinay are hopeless romantics additionally. Not all pros or 'semipros' whatever that means.[/QUOTE]Pantot, with all due respect, any young girl who is accepting cash payments in exchange for providing pussy is a prostitute regardless of how one dresses it up.
[URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution[/URL]
Most pinays i know that made it through higher education,college,university did it by some help of family members that are working abroad and also the girl working a night job themselves,usually in a restaurant,mall etc,
They would not have dreamed in a million years of selling their pussy to an old guy in exchange for payment to help them,
once that idea enters their head then they are alas the same as any bar girl (prostitute) selling her pussy by the hour.
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Getting around the bar areas:
There are 2 main bar areas, Fields and Perimeter. You can walk all of Fields easily. Along Perimeter, I ventured only as far as Lost in Asia and backtracked eastwards by walking. From Fields to Lost in Asia it's a 100 p trike ride. Some trike drivers will try to charge you 150 but tell them you know it's 100. My first ride ended up being 150 but later one of the bar girls I took back got the "local price". It's not a big difference but I get annoyed by locals trying to shortchange visitors. Happens everywhere obviously. I haven't 100% figured out how to use the jeepneys. I think you wave them down and when you want to get off you just tell the driver. Much cheaper but the savings aren't worth it for me at least.
[/QUOTE]Thanks for your nice comprehensive report!
Actually 100 p is the 'foreigner price', not the 'local price' for a trike ride. Even when you're with a local the trike drivers will quote you the 'foreigner price'. Hell, some bar girls have complained to me that even when they are alone they are quoted 100 p. In the Fields area anyway.
Yes, you can wave down the jeepneys. You pay the driver during the ride (so not when you get off like in Thailand). If you're sitting too far away from the driver to hand over the money then the passengers sitting between you and the driver can take care of that. In the same way you will get your change back, if applicable.
To let the driver stop you say out loud: para!
Jeepneys are uncomfortable for most of us tall westerners but for me they are worth the savings. For a short ride anyway. And trikes are not that comfortable either.
At the trike lineups, they all are watching. If you are farther down the road and talk to a drive by himself, you can negotiate 50 with some of them. I personally never get into a trike when the driver shouts, "TRIKE, TRIKE" to me. Annoying.
The tricycles seem to have different designs in different geographic areas of the Philippines. Oddly, AC trikes, with a long history of dealing with big and tall customers, seems to have the smallest trike. Someone please explain that. Who makes these machines?
I was surprised in Biliran to see full size bicycle trikes, whereas you usually find smallish bicycle tricycles in most other areas. BTW, what is the proper Filipino name for a human / pedal powered tricycle. I've ridden the many times, but the vocabulary gets confusing.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;1836182]Thanks for your nice comprehensive report!
Actually 100 p is the 'foreigner price', not the 'local price' for a trike ride. Even when you're with a local the trike drivers will quote you the 'foreigner price'. Hell, some bar girls have complained to me that even when they are alone they are quoted 100 p. In the Fields area anyway.
Yes, you can wave down the jeepneys. You pay the driver during the ride (so not when you get off like in Thailand). If you're sitting too far away from the driver to hand over the money then the passengers sitting between you and the driver can take care of that. In the same way you will get your change back, if applicable.
To let the driver stop you say out loud: para!
Jeepneys are uncomfortable for most of us tall westerners but for me they are worth the savings. For a short ride anyway. And trikes are not that comfortable either.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mogwai;1836182]Actually 100 p is the 'foreigner price', not the 'local price' for a trike ride. [/QUOTE]So how much do you pay or how much is the local price? My expat friends tell me the price is 70, but they will try to get you for 100. I thought that was a little excessive seeing that I only give them 80 to and from the bus station. That is usually as much as I take a trike, but I was running late to meet a girl at the mall the week before last and hopped into one. When we arrived at the mall I asked him how much and he said 100. I laughed amd said nice try and handed him 70. It seems I remember it being 120 from my exgirlfriend's house which is about 15 minutes away.
[QUOTE=PipJaeger;1836019]Sorry if it seems like I'm bursting your bubble, but based on what you've written, it sounds to me more like you picked up a FL; either a pro or semi-pro. If anyone thinks FL's don't know where bored foreigners go during the daytime then they're delusional.[/QUOTE]Not sure about whether the girl was a FL, but it did sound a little too easy. You know what they say about when something appears too good to be true.
Ignorance is certainly bliss. I've picked up a girl outside Mcdo and a girl working in a laundry mat. But it was too easy getting them into my room. I doubt either of them were never involved in P4P.
[QUOTE=Pantot;1834338]Mr E that's kindy of silly advice. Its an overpriced hotel by any standards.
AC bars have expanded to a huge radius beyond fields. Your characterization is very limited. AC bars stretch far and wide beyond where they used to be.[/QUOTE]Which Philippines hotel is not overpriced? Never found a good deal for a Philippines hotel.
And I cannot believe that Mr. E says AC is covered in only 2 blocks.
Perimeter alone is more than 2 blocks. But guess he was referring to guys who stick to Fields.
Around Fields the trike price is 100. It is the same for locals unless maybe they catch one driving by and bargain. There is some orderly method that they line up and take their turns. Most trikes will want 100 as they will have to line up again and wait their turn.
Outside of the bar and hotel areas trike prices are lower and possibly based on distance. An example is at the end of of the jeepney run in Friendship the locals pay 30 pesos for a ride to their home.
I personally don't advise getting into a trike and tossing 70 or 80 pesos to them at arrival of your destination. Get the agreed price up front. The implied price is 100. Always get the agreed price up front. These drivers have a great memory. I usually don't take a trike from the stand at Manson drugs but on a few occasions that I have lately, the trike drivers remembered me and my hotel from a year ago.
Sometimes I meet a girl for lunch or dinner at SM Mall and usually together we take a trike back and she gets off around perimeter and I go on to my hotel. I tell the driver there is a stop for the girl to get off and we continue to my hotel and confirm the price is 100. Last month I did the same and had the girl tell the trike driver she would be getting off at Mason Drugs. I guess she forgot to confirm the price of 100 pesos. As I got to my hotel the driver demanded 200 pesos. He said it was 2 trips! One to Manson Drugs and the other one to my hotel. We got into a heated argument and the hotel guard came out, took the 100 pesos from my hand and threw it at the driver and grabbed my arm and dragged me into the hotel. He lectured me to always walk away from a fight in AC. About an hour later after I calmed down I realized he was right.
Get the agreed price and your destination up front.
Around Fields the trike price is 100. It is the same for locals unless maybe they catch one driving by and bargain. There is some orderly method that they line up and take their turns. Most trikes will want 100 as they will have to line up again and wait their turn.
Outside of the bar and hotel areas trike prices are lower and possibly based on distance. An example is at the end of of the jeepney run in Friendship the locals pay 30 pesos for a ride to their home.
I personally don't advise getting into a trike and tossing 70 or 80 pesos to them at arrival of your destination. Get the agreed price up front. The implied price is 100. Always get the agreed price up front. These drivers have a great memory. I usually don't take a trike from the stand at Manson drugs but on a few occasions that I have lately, the trike drivers remembered me and my hotel from a year ago.
Sometimes I meet a girl for lunch or dinner at SM Mall and usually together we take a trike back and she gets off around perimeter and I go on to my hotel. I tell the driver there is a stop for the girl to get off and we continue to my hotel and confirm the price is 100. Last month I did the same and had the girl tell the trike driver she would be getting off at Mason Drugs. I guess she forgot to confirm the price of 100 pesos. As I got to my hotel the driver demanded 200 pesos. He said it was 2 trips! One to Manson Drugs and the other one to my hotel. We got into a heated argument and the hotel guard came out, took the 100 pesos from my hand and threw it at the driver and grabbed my arm and dragged me into the hotel. He lectured me to always walk away from a fight in AC. About an hour later after I calmed down I realized he was right.
Get the agreed price and your destination up front.
[QUOTE=XMan;1836226]BTW, what is the proper Filipino name for a human / pedal powered tricycle. I've ridden the many times, but the vocabulary gets confusing.[/QUOTE]The human-powered thing is a pedicab.
[QUOTE=Dg8787;1836329]I guess she forgot to confirm the price of 100 pesos. As I got to my hotel the driver demanded 200 pesos. He said it was 2 trips! One to Manson Drugs and the other one to my hotel. We got into a heated argument [/QUOTE]Everytime I have taken a trike to or from the bus station and handed the driver 80 pesos they have taken it and driven off. It was the same thing when I gave the guy 70 pesos for going to SM mall after he tried to tell me 100. He was just like this guy knows better and drove the fuck off. They have never refuted it or argued about it. Next time if you must confirm, try confirming 70 and see what happens.
When I go to a new place overseas and must get a taxi or whatever then I ask the hotel desk clerk (or in the case of AC, my friends) how much it should cost before I go out and get ripped off.