Kyiv

[QUOTE=Stevie69;2203728]I would say 90% of the girls there are hookers. Sometimes, regular girls got to dance or to meet foreigners.[/QUOTE]Really? I was there last night and I did not see a single (semi) working girl. Hmmm. Where were the 90 % hookers?

Really? I was there last night and I did not see a single (semi) working girl. Hmmm. Where were the 90 % hookers?

I have to totally disagree, amazing you are the only person that does not see the working girls. Best case scenario 50%, are normal girls, but I would guess 70-90% are working girls.

[QUOTE=MichiT;2204496]Aha, the language. That is just a silly excuse for someone who fails! I can confirm that the lack of Russian language makes things harder but certainly is not the reason to fail![/QUOTE]If I remember correctly, MichiT, you are younger.

Let's be honest here, what are the factors or rather monger's own qualities that increase his chances for success with the opposite gender?

1. Younger.

2. Attractive, fit, well-groomed, healthy.

3. Properly dressed (by Kiev standards).

4. Self-confident, assertive, but not arrogant.

5. Adequate financial resources. May vary from $50 to $500+ a day depending on lifestyle. IMHO either way is fine. You earn, you spend.

6. At least 10-15 days at disposal.

7. Visiting Kiev or Ukraine regularly.

8. Having the game, street smarts, and whatever you want to call it.

9. Speaking Russian or Ukrainian.

10. Having contacts from prior visits.

Each of the above adds to a higher probability of success, but doesn't guarantee it.

Take away one by one, and chances go lower and lower. Then you are forced to pay more while quality tends to go lower.

Next subject for discussion: The mongers themselves seem to fall into few categories:

1. Seasoned veterans that weathered multiple storms and environmental changes, and still succeed year after year. Visa-free travel, emergence of Instagram, Maidan, phone calls replaced by Viber and WhatsApp, Riverpalace, exchange rate going from 4 to 8 to 26. Veterans saw it all and still are having exceptional fun.

2. Short term visitors, paying hundreds of dollars and euros a day, and having the time of their lives, knowing they cannot do the same in countries of their residence. Those save for a year or two, and try to come back. Some fail, some succeed. Some complain, some take it in stride.

3. This category is best characterized by Aesop's fable "The Fox and the Grapes". They failed due to few of the above 10 factors, and cannot honestly admit the problem is with them. They blame the moral qualities of ladies and Ukrainian nation in general. They state that there are no beauties in Kiev. Period. Night life does not exist and the City itself is boring any time and day of the week. It is endless.

Well, my word to the latter two categories is simple:

Take a look at the check list above. Adjust it if you want. And then honestly see where you are yourself on the scale from 0 to 10.

IMO there are great grapes of all varieties. Some are very expensive and not necessarily most delicious. Others are rather affordable and after so many visits I cannot stop eating them. You can pick them raw from the garden, or buy on the market. Have it delivered to the door and even prepackaged to take with. You can make your own wine, or go to the liquor store. Does not matter.

I'll have the audacity to state that conceptually this applies to any major mongering destination. And the very same principles worked for me on the global scale.

I prefer 19-22 year old ladies of any color. Short term or multiple days, succession of 3-4-5 girls in a row one after another, or two of them at once on the same bed, or one girl for multiple days. Variety is the name of the game.

You want to go to Thailand, Tijuana, FKK in Germany, Brasil or Columbia? Please do. This is Forum about Kiev, and we discuss Kiev here. There is no way to compare diamonds to pearls and prove with certainty which is better.

For many of us Kiev is the best.

[QUOTE=PhotoSlider;2204578]If I remember correctly, MichiT, you are younger.

Let's be honest here, what are the factors or rather monger's own qualities that increase his chances for success with the opposite gender?

1. Younger.

2. Attractive, fit, well-groomed, healthy.

3. Properly dressed (by Kiev standards).

4. Self-confident, assertive, but not arrogant.

5. Adequate financial resources. May vary from $50 to $500+ a day depending on lifestyle. IMHO either way is fine. You earn, you spend.

6. At least 10-15 days at disposal.[/QUOTE]PhotoSlider,

Very very meaningful post that should be displayed on the main page of this forum. I am missing the "like" button here. Every word you said makes sense.

[quote]F I remember correctly, MichiT, you are younger.

Let's be honest here, what are the factors or rather monger's own qualities that increase his chances for success with the opposite gender?

1. Younger..[/quote]Nice post, pretty hard to be successful in Kiev at budget of $50 a day, I would say $150 minimum, but great advise. This is the only way to be successful in Ukraine, still think there are much better place to Monger.

[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2204514]
I have to totally disagree, amazing you are the only person that does not see the working girls. Best case scenario 50%, are normal girls, but I would guess 70-90% are working girls.[/QUOTE]Good for you, feel free to disagree. I was there on Sunday evening with that other guy from the forum. And both of us did not see any working girls. All people were into (salsa) dancing.

No, I am not young, not at all!

My comments to your list:

1. Younger. - up to 49 years is ok if the other factors are good.

2. Attractive, fit, well-groomed, healthy. - yes, of course.

3. Properly dressed (by Kiev standards). - not really, jeans and t-shirt is ok.

4. Self-confident, assertive, but not arrogant. - this is key element.

5. Adequate financial resources. May vary from $50 to $500+ a day depending on lifestyle. IMHO either way is fine. You earn, you spend. - not at all. You won't tell about your financial ressources on first meeting, will you? And 50 k $ is no resource, is it?

6. At least 10-15 days at disposal. - no need for that but of course, is good.

7. Visiting Kiev or Ukraine regularly. - no, why?

8. Having the game, street smarts, and whatever you want to call it. - of course this is essential (see also number 4).

9. Speaking Russian or Ukrainian. - absolutely not needed.

10. Having contacts from prior visits. - absolutely not needed.

- Numbers 2, 4 and 8 seem to be key elements.

And let's face it, if key elements are missing and / or if there is a 40+ old guy, maybe no good figure and not good looking tries to get a beautiful 20-30 year old girl it is just an illusion. Why would such a girl even talk to such a dude?

[QUOTE=PhotoSlider;2204578]If I remember correctly, MichiT, you are younger.

Let's be honest here, what are the factors or rather monger's own qualities that increase his chances for success with the opposite gender?

I prefer 19-22 year old ladies of any color. Short term or multiple days, succession of 3-4-5 girls in a row one after another, or two of them at once on the same bed, or one girl for multiple days. Variety is the name of the game.

For many of us Kiev is the best.[/QUOTE]

Hi Seniors,

Iam exploring Kiev / Baku for a trip in October.

Please suggest as which one is better for mongering?

Thanks,

Mitian.

[QUOTE=MichiT;2205030]No, I am not young, not at all![/QUOTE]MichiT,

You do not behave like an old geezer at all. Must be one of the reasons your sightseeing is so successful.

Thanks for honest concise informative response.

[QUOTE]My comments to your list:

1. Younger. - up to 49 years is ok if the other factors are good.[/QUOTE]I am older than that and still score with coffee baristas, haircut professionals and theater buffet cashier register girls. It is not about biological age, but rather about being young at heart.

It is easier for younger gentlemen to stay fit. On the other hand they typically are not perceived as a source of income.

The key is to be clean shaven, have a hint of an expensive male perfume or good cognac smell, and get your dick going in a reliable and satisfying manner at important times.

If I recall correctly, Riina mentioned that girls prefer making love to their peers, and despise older admirers. I can agree only to a certain degree. In terms of their make-believe actress performances in bed they appear so sincere! And how can anyone determine how much they play with boys within their own age group? Great actress rarely puts her guard down. Of course my vanity is speaking here.

[QUOTE]2. Attractive, fit, well-groomed, healthy. - yes, of course.

3. Properly dressed (by Kiev standards). - not really, jeans and t-shirt is ok.[/QUOTE]Jeans and T-shirt is also a Kiev standard. You and I might agree on the subject in general.

As discussed many times before overdressing is bad. Yet it all depends on the target environment. Dancing salsa in the suit and a tie may be not as convenient, if everybody around is dressed down. Likewise, slippers and cut-down shorts may not be accepted even at the entrance to some facilities, while City Beach Club is the opposite.

[QUOTE]4. Self-confident, assertive, but not arrogant. - this is key element.

5. Adequate financial resources. May vary from $50 to $500+ a day depending on lifestyle. IMHO either way is fine. You earn, you spend. - not at all. You won't tell about your financial ressources on first meeting, will you? And 50 k $ is no resource, is it?[/QUOTE]You meant $50, not $50 K. We do not have oil magnates visiting Kiev forum.

There is at least one gentleman staying in Kiev for extended periods on 50 bucks a day budget, and that includes visitors. Maybe it is $75 or $100/ day on average, but Kozerog is essentially happy and I more than admire his approach.

[QUOTE]6. At least 10-15 days at disposal. - no need for that but of course, is good.

7. Visiting Kiev or Ukraine regularly. - no, why?[/QUOTE]See item 10 below. There are different ways of hunting. I do enjoy catching a new pussy. Charming her, learning what she likes in multiple aspects of her life, including sex.

I also like simply writing up a short SMS:

- Hi Oksana! Haven't seen you in awhile. Do you have time today?

- Yes, would love to meet with you! I can be at your place within two hours.

For the above dialog to happen the girl needs to consider you as a person she can also count on. It's a two way street. Boys do not want to be stood up, girls want reliable partners. Visiting Kiev regularly helps with this perception.

BTW, most of my top 10 list has been assembled from Kiev Forum posts by other distinguished gentlemen, not me.

[QUOTE]8. Having the game, street smarts, and whatever you want to call it. - of course this is essential (see also number 4).

9. Speaking Russian or Ukrainian. - absolutely not needed.[/QUOTE]Occasionally I need more than pure mating and I like intelligent women. Some of them do not converse in any other languages.

I am afraid you exaggerate here, MichiT. Even for pure street hunting local language helps tremendously in any country.

[QUOTE]10. Having contacts from prior visits. - absolutely not needed.[/QUOTE]See comment to item 7.

[QUOTE]- Numbers 2, 4 and 8 seem to be key elements.

And let's face it, if key elements are missing and / or if there is a 40+ old guy, maybe no good figure and not good looking tries to get a beautiful 20-30 year old girl it is just an illusion. Why would such a girl even talk to such a dude?[/QUOTE]Illusion is the right word. And then some of the 40+ old guys say:

- Oh, I suck. Life is miserable!

While others say:

- These grapes are definitely sour! They do not look good at all. No more than 4-5 on a scale 1 to 10.

And others go and try their luck at Rio.

Cheers!

Recently spent two weeks in Kiev. Love the city there is so much to do. I had friends in town and was doing a lot of non-mongering activities, so I didn't get as many girls as I had hoped. But had a great time regardless.

I have been to Kiev now four times so I had some contacts from previous trips. Before my visit I collected about 20 numbers from Mamba. I prioritized the ladies that were the most attractive and the ones where their Whatsapp pictures matched their Mamba profile. Also good communication via Mamba helped me prioritize.

Just to be clear I will not be sharing any contacts. Last summer I shared contacts with 10-15 people and got only a few thank yous and only one report back. You can find all the same women I am reporting about you just have to do the work.

So my first night in town I was able to meet with my No. 1 choice. Wow she was amazing. I am into the girl next door type and I like tall women with nice fair skin. This one checked all the boxes for me and was even more beautiful in person. She has only been doing this a couple months so I was probably lucky in that she is very open and not jaded. $100/ HR and did everything I wanted even tried anal even though I am very big but it was hurting her so I stopped. But just about everything but BBFS was on the table and it was a pleasure to spend time with this one. A solid 8 in looks for my tastes and a 10 in bed. Definitely going to keep this one in the permanent rotation. Saw her three times and probably would have even more but I had other obligations and she left town a few days before my visit ended.

Also had three sessions with the beauty I met off Mamba in the past. For me another 8 and a little more beautiful than the girl I just talked about. We have become pretty good friends in the last two years. She is a very serious person and even though half my age she is more mature than me. But I think we have a genuine friendship and she has never asked me for anything extra. Even when we talk about the fee to have sex it is just a real quick negotiation and other than that it is just like normal "friends with benefits". I am generous with her and have sent her unsolicited gifts (for holidays and such. She graduated recently and I told her I would bring her whatever perfume she wanted for a present and to my surprise she picked one in the $80 range. Then she asked if I could bring her something else, and I was like "ok here it comes where I get hit with a big request". But she only asked for chocolates! The sex is very vanilla with this one but it is a pleasure to be with such a beautiful woman with whom I have a mutual respect with. I know she has other friends like me as I see her social media and she always has flowers in her pictures but I don't have any illusions I am the only one or that we will be together in the end (I have a SO I am very happy with so not looking for a LTR).

I know both of these girls I mentioned are picky when it comes to suitors. The first girl told me when she first got on Mamba she had 150+ messages each day. I am in my 40's but tall and athletic and on my Mamba I have pictures of myself doing a lot of outdoor activities so maybe this helped me connect with these two. The friend girl flaked on me my first trip but we still kept in touch for the next year so I think she wants to establish some rapport before meeting.

But also Mamba wasn't a 100% success. I didn't have time to meet as many of my contacts as I wanted but I did try and go down the list and contacted by top 6-7. One beauty redhead was out of town when I wanted to meet. One girl said that if I was staying at an apartment as opposed to a hotel that I would have to send her a copy of my passport and I said fuck that. A few others never even responded to my messages on Whatsapp. Like every trip I had a few contacts that seemed like normal civvie girls but I knew that would take time and I would rather go the P4 P route with limited time. There was one woman I had a lot of conversation with on Mamba and I did try and meet her (she speaks only Russian) and she never responded to my Whatsapp after about two weeks of positive conversation leading up to my trip. So who knows what some of these girls are thinking.

My wingman didn't even know about Mamba before I told him and he used this to get 1-2 girls a day. I only met two of his dates (one was a 30's MILF but attractive, the other was pretty cute) but he did send me candid pictures of a few others who were very attractive 7-8 so whomever said Mamba is useless is full of it or isn't using it correctly. I did an FKK tour after Kiev and the quality of women I met with in Ukraine was above or equal to what I got in FKK, but the difference is that in Kiev you aren't rushed and you have a chance to build a connection that you can't really get with a hardened pro.

Went to Caribbean Club about six times on this trip. I like this place because they are easy with face control and they have at least a small crowd every night. I would have to say Mondays and Tuesdays 95% of the women in there are pros. On a crowded weekend night when they have a concert that ratio goes down to 20-30%. I would say you probably aren't going to find a lot of stunners in there. Last year I met a very pretty girl that gave a 10 session but I did not find her this trip. But on weekend nights there are some very beautiful pro girls in this club. I arrived to Kiev on Saturday and after my session with the Mamba girl I went to CC club. I saw a MILFy blonde girl there in a tight dress she was definitely an 8 she was dancing so sexy I think I had a tent in my pants as the Cialis was working its magic but she was immediately grabbed by a Turkish guy who left with her quickly. I would say if you are looking for a girl get there around 23:00 and approach anyone you like quickly because I think all the pretty girls there get grabbed early. I also saw one who had a great strategy on a slow night is to be the last girl there at closing and of course some horny turk grabbed her to take her home. Also saw many girls from my last visit in summer of 2017. Ran into one girl I reported about here who I did not know was a pro and took her out on a date and she asked for champagne and ordered a $150 bottle and then would not even give me a kiss. I know she hates black people so I told all her friends this trip that she left me for a black guy. Ran into a girl I met 5 years ago and have sessioned with every trip since but last time she had a lousy attitude and CBJ so I didn't even call her this time but she was cute and I think she is now working at CC.

My wingman arrived on a Monday and we met at CC and there were about 20 guys and about 15-20 pros. We were drinking pretty heavily and having a good time. We met this blonde girl Olga. I was already over my budget and wasn't looking for a date that night so I was trying to push her on my wingman. She was mid-20's and she looked amazing in a dress that showed off her best assets. He was too drunk to pull the trigger and I was feeling her vibes so I decided to take her home. She started off at $300 for the night I got ger down to $200 (I didn't want to spend more than $100 on any session but was drunk and thought she would be worth it). When the clothes came off I realized her dress was deceiving. She looked like she had "curves in all the right places" but when the dress came off she was overweight. 5. 5 body 7. 5 face so a 6. But like my CC girl last year she gave a wild session. Face fucking (so hard she ran to the bathroom to puke), mutual masturbation, hard sex, CIM. We polished off two bottles of wine at her AirBNB (which was nicer than where I was staying!) and we were already drunk when we got home. This girl was fucking crazy but a very good time. At one point she was talking some racist crap and I was like "do you realize you just fucked a guy who is half Mexican? She wanted me to sleep with her and I waited until she fell asleep and then left as I like to sleep alone. 6 looks 8 in bed.

My other session was with a girl I met off Mamba 5 years ago. We spent almost a week together back then and were very hot and heavy with each other. Once she realized I wasn't coming back right away she cut off contact with me. And recently by chance she contacted me a couple months before my trip. She wasn't good with communication and now lives in Lyiv so I didn't want to pay for her transportation to Kiev and basically blew her off. I guess she found her way to Kiev anyways to see me. Back then this girl had zero body fat but she got a little pudgy in 5 years. Another crazy one who likes to drink too much and eventually I had to send her packing as we had a nice connection but way too much drama.

So all in all I had a great time. If I could do it all over again I would probably try to concentrate more on Mamba girls as I had some really nice contacts that I couldn't connect with or didn't have the time. The city is pretty amazing and there is so much to do. I could probably stay there a couple months and never get bored. As this was my fourth trip and I have now spent more than a month in Kiev I am pretty comfortable with the city and it's no longer a culture shock. I love that in this city you can go out any night and meet a much younger woman as in Ukraine it's not that odd for a woman in her 20's to be with a guy in his 40's and that is not the case where I live and in most of the world. Even have a few civvie girls I met in normal circumstances that I am working a long game on. One of my favorite things to do is drink beer in Podil at an outdoor café during the day and watch all the hotties walk by all day. Ukrainian people may seem cold at first but when you give them respect they open up and they are very nice people in general.

[QUOTE=Mitian1994;2205103]Hi Seniors,

Iam exploring Kiev / Baku for a trip in October.

Please suggest as which one is better for mongering?[/QUOTE]Compare number of Kiev Forum messages vs. Baku. See if you have any further Qs.

[B]Caribbean.[/B]

[QUOTE=MichiT;2205029]I was there on Sunday evening with that other guy from the forum. And both of us did not see any working girls. All people were into (salsa) dancing.[/QUOTE]Rog123 just explained it. Ratio changes depending on what's going on at CC. Concert, public dancing, different days of the week.

I read your report with great pleasure and could confirm that Mamba is great to get in touch with girls. I have been in Kiev 15 times since December 2015; all together about half a year and it was a great time. Unfortunately my 24 year old number one girl whom I knew since may 2016 left me in may because she had a boyfriend now. I recognized that she was the great factor to go to Kiev; the other girls only have been the starter and the dessert. I am about 50 and I think that I will never had such a beautiful, clever and shy girl again, a former student who only got in financial troubles once and met me at this time.

What can I do to feel good in Kiev again? I think your post helped me very much!

[QUOTE=Rog123;2205172]Recently spent two weeks in Kiev. Love the city there is so much to do. I had friends in town and was doing a lot of non-mongering activities, so I didn't get as many girls as I had hoped. But had a great time regardless.

I have been to Kiev now four times so I had some contacts from previous trips. Before my visit I collected about 20 numbers from Mamba. I prioritized the ladies that were the most attractive and the ones where their Whatsapp pictures matched their Mamba profile. Also good communication via Mamba helped me prioritize.

Just to be clear I will not be sharing any contacts. Last summer I shared contacts with 10-15 people and got only a few thank yous and only one report back. You can find all the same women I am reporting about you just have to do the work.

So my first night in town......[/QUOTE]Excellent Report Rog123! Thank you very much!

I will be in Kiev next month in August with some friends for the first time. I will do my "homework" in mamba.

We arrived on Wednesday late at 23:30. I asking this already in another post if someone have a recommendation for Wednesday and Thursday night. It seams like that Caribbean Club is the right choice.

What I didn't understand in CC is when they have shows on weekends when the DJ start to play? When we don't like to watch the show when should we come for the DJ?

Just want everyone to Understand Car. Club is an average place, some might say below average depending on your tastes. But during the week is an option. You should probably go there before hitting the strip clubs you probably can negotiate a better deal and for a longer period of time. You will find the same type of girls that are at the strip clubs, 5-6, we a few 7's mixed. Mostly Sex Tourist (Attempting to B P. C.).

Rog123 just explained it. Ratio changes depending on what's going on at CC. Concert, public dancing, different days of the week.