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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1836404]Everytime I have taken a trike to or from the bus station and handed the driver 80 pesos they have taken it and driven off. It was the same thing when I gave the guy 70 pesos for going to SM mall after he tried to tell me 100. He was just like this guy knows better and drove the fuck off. They have never refuted it or argued about it. Next time if you must confirm, try confirming 70 and see what happens.

When I go to a new place overseas and must get a taxi or whatever then I ask the hotel desk clerk (or in the case of AC, my friends) how much it should cost before I go out and get ripped off.[/QUOTE]Concur, with one exception. The trykes on Walking street, the ones that line up, the drivers tend to tell you 100 before they will agree to take you anywhere. If you try to haggle, they will not budge down. For most any other trykes, they are not stuck on the amount, unless they can convince you of that after the ride. If you and he made no prior agreement, then handing the driver 70 (or 50) instead of 100 will not break his piggy bank today. However, most gringos are afraid of a loud tryke driver.

The exception: If I pay p10 for a tryke ride in AC, while Mr E pays p100 for the same ride (possibly to the same driver), Mr E did not get ripped off. That's only a $2 difference, and meaningless to most of us. For most of us spending a week in AC, you're only going to be in a tryke 5-10 times. Even if you pay the extra $2 each time, that's only $20, and means you walked much less than you had to. I think we often get caught up in trying to *not* pay the gringo price, when usually in totality it is small.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1836404]Everytime I have taken a trike to or from the bus station and handed the driver 80 pesos they have taken it and driven off. It was the same thing when I gave the guy 70 pesos for going to SM mall after he tried to tell me 100. He was just like this guy knows better and drove the fuck off. They have never refuted it or argued about it. Next time if you must confirm, try confirming 70 and see what happens.

When I go to a new place overseas and must get a taxi or whatever then I ask the hotel desk clerk (or in the case of AC, my friends) how much it should cost before I go out and get ripped off.[/QUOTE]20 or 30 pesos is not worth it to me. Maybe to someone else but not to me. Most trike drivers are skilled drivers and get me to my destination safely. Hardly have any not known some of the out of the way locations I have gone to and the long ways around the traffic areas. Most know the exact location of pot holes on every street.

I don't come to AC to change the trike charging policies.

[QUOTE=Pantot;1836080]Exactly. Mall workers call centers girls etc. Work ungodly hours that leave them zero time for a short term visitor. All single girls in the Phils are not FL. However, a western guy giving a poor third world girl who is likely younger than him substatianlly and economically certainly, student whatever don't make them all prostitutes. Its survival and hoping for a better future. One guy might be thier ticket out. It doesn't mean they do this for a living or many times. Pinay are hopeless romantics additionally. Not all pros or 'semipros' whatever that means.[/QUOTE]May as well stick to the standard English language definition: "Prostitution is the business or practice of engaging in sexual relations in exchange for payment or some other benefit". The drive could be poverty, supporting kids, drugs, pimping control, marriage contract, visa, foreign passport etc. Definition is still the same.

Turning to the trike discussions, the trike prices in Fields / Perimeter area are aimed at milking the foreigner and far, far higher than most other places in the Philippines. I use jeepneys as policy and only use trikes where jeepneys are not practical (eg routing). I do feel vulnerable in trikes as they offer zero protection in the event of a collision with a car.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1836520]Turning to the trike discussions, the trike prices in Fields / Perimeter area are aimed at milking the foreigner and far, far higher than most other places in the Philippines.[/QUOTE]Exactly. In Dumaguete it was 10 pesos for a trike to take you to the other side of the city. And they were big and comfortable.
[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1836520]I do feel vulnerable in trikes as they offer zero protection in the event of a collision with a car.[/QUOTE]And the bad part is that you will not even see it coming.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1836520]May as well stick to the standard English language definition: "Prostitution is the business or practice of engaging in sexual relations in exchange for payment or some other benefit". The drive could be poverty, supporting kids, drugs, pimping control, marriage contract, visa, foreign passport etc. Definition is still the same.[/QUOTE]Thanks to you and Napaslapper for providing us the dictionary and Wiki definitons of prostition. Still un clear what semi pro means.

My original response was to Threadbare saying he met a girl in SM Clark who was about 30. A 30 yo female in AC or anywhere in the Phils who s not smoking hot is considered middle aged by themselves not just me. She never asked money and he offered 2000 after it was all said and done was the was the quote. She didn't beg for it or even say, 'you will help me right?' sometime before having sex. Sure if he was SM Davao instead of SM Clark then assuming she's a 'prostitute' would be less likely. I don't know Threadbares age or game or relative attractiveness to 30 year old random mall Pinays. But he seems like a nice guy. If she's a pro her method of giving it all and then without any hints him giving her money at the end well that's unlikely.

The fact in getting girls to fuck in the Phils is incredibly easy compared to the entire english speaking world. If you are in reasonably good shape and behave well finding 30 year olds for a 50 to 60 year old western man is pretty easy. Me I go for younger so of course I almost always pay but I have landed free sex usually with 25+ or moms.

If you are a foriegner and find a girl in the Phils and she not your age and from the upper class then I suppose they are all Semi pros we fuck or visit as short term or long term GF's.

Same with wife of Donald Trump etc. Its a world of semi pros as opposed to the virtuous pinays Napaslapper knows intimately enough to know they would never dream of it heheh.

[QUOTE=Fastpiston;1836520]Turning to the trike discussions, the trike prices in Fields / Perimeter area are aimed at milking the foreigner and far, far higher than most other places in the Philippines. I use jeepneys as policy and only use trikes where jeepneys are not practical (eg routing). I do feel vulnerable in trikes as they offer zero protection in the event of a collision with a car.[/QUOTE]I was thinking of posting the exact same thing. The Trikes in all of the rest of the Phils are 1/3 to 1/4 pesos of Fields and most of AC.

I usually walk to all of Fields, Perimiter, SM Clark, Macarthur screw the trike drivers. Unless you have serious mobility problems or its hot as hell or rainy the Fields to SM Clark is an easy walk. And walking is safer then trikes. Half the time I meet meet pinoys with huge scars its 'trike accident'. I use the Main Gate. Jeep alot. I even last month got adventurous and took a jeep from Metro Mall to Main Gate it got on the Nylex and cost P14 instead of P8.

Hell we could nearly all use the excercise. The main times I am forced to use the trikes is from the Dau bus terminal to my perimeter hotel because of the roller bag luggage issue or from Clark Airport. Or also whenever I barfine a girl. Once I have selected that girl I am too damned impatient to get her naked to walk. And only because my hotel is in the perimeter. If my hotel is in Fields I would rarely use the overpriced trikes.

[QUOTE=Pantot;1836569]Thanks to you and Napaslapper for providing us the dictionary and Wiki definitons of prostition. Still un clear what semi pro means.[/QUOTE]Pro: A girl who makes her living from selling her body. Often. LA Cafe, G-Point, gogo bargirls, mall girls, streetwalkers -- they are there for one reason only, to make money from it every chance they get. She will never sex and then fail to insist on remuneration. Rarely shy.

Semi: Girls who sell themselves on occasion, to supplement regular income or supplement family monies. She may have enough food to eat, but she might also have an upcoming "tuition fee" of 1500 to pay, and no way to pay it, other than to find a gringo. Semi's are often more shy, and may be more picky in choosing a date. She may be selling it just a few times a year (or giving it) to a visiting foreign boyfriend, in hopes of money. She may never ask for money directly (too shy) from any customer (hence, the gent who picked up the girl in the mall may well have gotten a semi). Think about that mall girl: No self-respecting non-p4 p ('regular') pinay meets a stranger and goes directly to his hotel room to have sex (before meeting her family -- are you crazy?) She was on the take. Many dating site girls will bang you on a first date when you are in town, in hopes of you giving her some money in the morning (it may kill her to walk out the door with nothing, to afraid to ask you for the pesos that you did not give her). This girl-next-door type is semipro.

Married: This girl seems to get a lot of money, while having very little sex. [I] Its still prostitution.[/I].

[QUOTE=Pantot;1836569]I was thinking of posting the exact same thing. The Trikes in all of the rest of the Phils are 1/3 to 1/4 pesos of Fields and most of AC. [/QUOTE]Or 1/10 or 1/12. All trykes in Butuan are required (city ordinance) to not charge more than p8 per person.

[QUOTE=Pantot;1836569]I usually walk to all of Fields, Perimiter, SM Clark, Macarthur screw the trike drivers. Unless you have serious mobility problems or its hot as hell or rainy the Fields to SM Clark is an easy walk. [/QUOTE]We are alike. Wherever I'm at in Phils, I walk every morning (and again some evenings, just for fun) roughly the distance from Phillies to the Perimeter bars, and back (unless there is a whipping rainstorm). Have gotten into a number of pickup hoops games at the outdoor sports area east of the SM and Main Jeep gate (towards Macarthur) early in the mornings. Sometimes there would be hundreds of pinoy out there playing hoops, jogging, walking, etc. One time the basketball game was 12-on-12 (I tried, unsuccessfully as an outsider, to get either team to take their shirts off and the other team to put their shirts on, as there are no uniforms); which was madness, nobody knew who was on his team. At the same time, I cannot bar hop, as I can't stand spending more than a minute or two in a bar. Isn't that odd? To go to AC to exercise and stay out of bars? Yet I still get plenty of exercise and bargirls.

Apropos of the "trike" discussion, about the outrage over being ripped for for an entire Php20 or so, there was a column in today's "Philippine Inquirer" citing the fact that according to a recent survey, approximately half of the population of this country describes itself as "poor. " In addition, it's important to keep in mind that this is the only country in the ASEAN bloc to have witnessed an increase in poverty over the past decade; the only one. Given these two factors, it should come as no surprise anyone that a tricycle driver would have the gall to try to extort an extra Php20 from foreigners who have paid, in many cases, thousands of dollars to come here. The Php20 makes a difference to him, and he knows it's a trifling sum for most of us. I guess I just don't understand becoming morally indignant over a few cents.

Some of the stuff that gets endlessly discussed here never ceases to amaze me.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1836641]Apropos of the "trike" discussion, about the outrage over being ripped for for an entire Php20 or so, there was a column in today's "Philippine Inquirer" citing the fact that according to a recent survey, approximately half of the population of this country describes itself as "poor. " In addition, it's important to keep in mind that this is the only country in the ASEAN bloc to have witnessed an increase in poverty over the past decade; the only one. Given these two factors, it should come as no surprise anyone that a tricycle driver would have the gall to try to extort an extra Php20 from foreigners who have paid, in many cases, thousands of dollars to come here. The Php20 makes a difference to him, and he knows it's a trifling sum for most of us. I guess I just don't understand becoming morally indignant over a few cents.

Some of the stuff that gets endlessly discussed here never ceases to amaze me.

GE.[/QUOTE]GE, as you have quoted, everywhere in the phills has some very poor people, Angeles trike drivers are not amongst them, they do very nicely indeed from high fares and all the other side line services / products they supply visiting westerners.

On every other phills island I have visited (some 30 odd) the trike drivers always charged me the correct fare, same fare as pinoys, most times a whole journey is only 10-20 pisos.

Yet when we enter angeles city and have to deal with the trike bandits there we are robbed blind, same journey in angeles cost 10x as much, same for taxis from the airport (clark).

I refuse to give angeles scum trike drivers 1 piso same for the angeles taxi cab mafia.

its not about the money its about the principle and not getting taken advantage of.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1836641]Apropos of the "trike" discussion, about the outrage over being ripped for for an entire Php20 or so, there was a column in today's "Philippine Inquirer" citing the fact that according to a recent survey, approximately half of the population of this country describes itself as "poor. " In addition, it's important to keep in mind that this is the only country in the ASEAN bloc to have witnessed an increase in poverty over the past decade; the only one. Given these two factors, it should come as no surprise anyone that a tricycle driver would have the gall to try to extort an extra Php20 from foreigners who have paid, in many cases, thousands of dollars to come here. The Php20 makes a difference to him, and he knows it's a trifling sum for most of us. I guess I just don't understand becoming morally indignant over a few cents.
[/QUOTE]And that is the mentality that drives the trikes drivers to charge the high prices and continually try to push up the prices.

Just like Double Ladies Drinks, despite all the complains about the prices, as long as there are people who willingly pay, it will always exist.

I personally avoid trikes and DLD as much as I can. I'd think that if they followed the price matrix, or just halved their asking prices, I'd probably take the trikes more often. Thankfully most things around fields and perimeter are within walking distance. Only problem is when it rains.

[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1836616]Pro: A girl who makes her living from selling her body. Often. LA Cafe, G-Point, gogo bargirls, mall girls, streetwalkers -- they are there for one reason only, to make money from it every chance they get. She will never sex and then fail to insist on remuneration. Rarely shy.

Semi: Girls who sell themselves on occasion, to supplement regular income or supplement family monies. She may have enough food to eat, but she might also have an upcoming "tuition fee" of 1500 to pay, and no way to pay it, other than to find a gringo. Semi's are often more shy, and may be more picky in choosing a date. She may be selling it just a few times a year (or giving it) to a visiting foreign boyfriend, in hopes of money. She may never ask for money directly (too shy) from any customer (hence, the gent who picked up the girl in the mall may well have gotten a semi). Think about that mall girl: No self-respecting non-p4 p ('regular') pinay meets a stranger and goes directly to his hotel room to have sex (before meeting her family -- are you crazy?) She was on the take. Many dating site girls will bang you on a first date when you are in town, in hopes of you giving her some money in the morning (it may kill her to walk out the door with nothing, to afraid to ask you for the pesos that you did not give her). This girl-next-door type is semipro.

Married: This girl seems to get a lot of money, while having very little sex. [I] Its still prostitution.[/I].

Or 1/10 or 1/12. All trykes in Butuan are required (city ordinance) to not charge more than p8 per person.

We are alike. Wherever I'm at in Phils, I walk every morning (and again some evenings, just for fun) roughly the distance from Phillies to the Perimeter bars, and back (unless there is a whipping rainstorm). Have gotten into a number of pickup hoops games at the outdoor sports area east of the SM and Main Jeep gate (towards Macarthur) early in the mornings. Sometimes there would be hundreds of pinoy out there playing hoops, jogging, walking, etc. One time the basketball game was 12-on-12 (I tried, unsuccessfully as an outsider, to get either team to take their shirts off and the other team to put their shirts on, as there are no uniforms); which was madness, nobody knew who was on his team. At the same time, I cannot bar hop, as I can't stand spending more than a minute or two in a bar. Isn't that odd? To go to AC to exercise and stay out of bars? Yet I still get plenty of exercise and bargirls.[/QUOTE]Westcoast1,I do not see a difference, pro-semi pro, same same.

The semi pro as some call them has also accepted in her mind that she willl be giving up her little young pussy to some guy old enough to be her grandfather to be paid or in the hope of getting paid for it.

As I have already said, the girls that are not prostitutes would never even have that thought,or that thought would revolt them, they will work themselves, often very long hours just so they do not have to try to earn pisos by selling their pussy/hope to sell their pussy to anyone, not even the once,

the word prostitute is any girl willing to accept that she will give pussy in exchange for money/possible money,even if the guy refuses to pay her she is still a prostitute because she thought/expected she would be paid,

there is absolutely no difference in the girl who expects/gets payment only a few times of the girl who has done it many times,from that very first time both are prostitutes,same same.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1836709]Westcoast1, I do not see a difference, pro-semi pro, same same.

[/QUOTE]Agreed. It's a distinction without a difference. I'm not quite sure what gave rise to its use; words and expressions are to convey meaning. As the barriers to entry, such as training and skills, are practically non-existent for a prostitute it really isn't a profession. More a job, I think.

A better, more accurate expression for semi-pro is part-timer, a girl who does this from time to time. Perhaps semi-pro is intended to be a euphemism, but part-timer isn't too harsh or blunt an expression in and of itself.

Stop whining and tell readers how to use the jeepneys.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1836697]GE, as you have quoted, everywhere in the phills has some very poor people, Angeles trike drivers are not amongst them, they do very nicely indeed from high fares and all the other side line services / products they supply visiting westerners.

On every other phills island I have visited (some 30 odd) the trike drivers always charged me the correct fare, same fare as pinoys, most times a whole journey is only 10-20 pisos.

Yet when we enter angeles city and have to deal with the trike bandits there we are robbed blind, same journey in angeles cost 10x as much, same for taxis from the airport (clark).

I refuse to give angeles scum trike drivers 1 piso same for the angeles taxi cab mafia.

its not about the money its about the principle and not getting taken advantage of.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=XMan;1836741]Stop whining and tell readers how to use the jeepneys.[/QUOTE]X man, instead of asking me to explain, why did you not, easy to see how you got to those few thousand posts without saying much useful LOL.

Any ways, if you had paid attention to the forum you would know that just a few posts back a member has already given a full explanation on jeepney use, how much it costs and how to pay.

For me, I always stay at the lewis grand, great rooms and to also have the limo service 24/7 so that one does not have to take the risk of getting robbed / pickpocketed on the angeles jeepneys, take ones life in ones hands by sitting in a tiny angeles trike while being fleeced.

[QUOTE=XMan;1836741]Stop whining and tell readers how to use the jeepneys.[/QUOTE]Easy to use. You get on and get off where you want to.

Jeepneys run a certain route and return the same way. Like from checkpoint to friendship and return from friendship to checkpoint. I believe the cost is 8 pesos still. You can get on or off at any point of the route or at the station.

At the station you buy a ticket at the official ticket stand and get on the next available jeepney. The ticket collector will collect the tickets and off you go. When it is within 50 feet of your stop you yell out "para po", don't worry if the driver doesn't hear you, the passengers will chorus your para po. Squat and drag your ass off the jeepney. If you miss your stop like I did the very first time then you just get on the return jeepney and pay another 8 pesos.

If you get on between stations then you just pass your 8 pesos up to the driver.

Best to keep your major funds in your back pocket and sit on it. I keep my cell phone in my front pocket and have my hand or elbow on it to avoid pickpockets.

[QUOTE=Dg8787;1836832]Jeepneys run If you get on between stations then you just pass your 8 pesos up to the driver.[/QUOTE]I like to pass the driver a 1000 piso bill.