Angeles City

[QUOTE=JohnTraveller;1838708]

the interesting thing about AC is the bars, if you want discos, go to Manila or Bangkok.[/QUOTE]I'd love to know what you think is "interesting" about the bars. To me they seem like desperately drab, unengaging places with mostly fairly unattractive girls gyratjng lethargically to ear-shattering music that precludes most conversation. For the most part, the drink hustling is becoming increasingly annoying, and the entire Walking Street is a fourth world imitation of its analog in Pattaya.

Many guys I know don't bother at all with the bars and use previous contacts established in Angeles to meet new contacts, thereby avoiding bar fines and the general seediness of the street, as well as circumventing the viagra sellers, the peanut vendors and other assorted annoyances. Another alternative is the disco, which at least allows one to avoid lady drinks and bar fines. I'd advise newbies to give the bars a once over and then to use one of the alternative venues.

GE.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1838743]Friend of mine got pick pocketed by them using a razor blade on his pocket, he did not feel / know anything till he went to pay for drinks in a bar that his cash was gone and his pocket cut, they are very skilful so be aware.[/QUOTE]This is an old trick used in inner cities against men who carry wallets in their back pockets. You cut the bottom of the pocket and the wallet eventually falls out while the guy is walking. If you carry only bills tucked down in your front pocket then you will not have this problem. I have friends that also walk the streets overseas with full wallets and I can not understand why.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1838802]I'd love to know what you think is "interesting" about the bars. To me they seem like desperately drab, unengaging places with mostly fairly unattractive girls gyratjng lethargically to ear-shattering music that precludes most conversation. For the most part, the drink hustling is becoming increasingly annoying, and the entire Walking Street is a fourth world imitation of its analog in Pattaya.

Many guys I know don't bother at all with the bars and use previous contacts established in Angeles to meet new contacts, thereby avoiding bar fines and the general seediness of the street, as well as circumventing the viagra sellers, the peanut vendors and other assorted annoyances. Another alternative is the disco, which at least allows one to avoid lady drinks and bar fines. I'd advise newbies to give the bars a once over and then to use one of the alternative venues.

GE.[/QUOTE]GE, have to fully agree with everything you said here.

The only thing I would add is for newbies to be very careful of freelance girls in the discos / online who look young.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1838743]For the new members who might be thinking of using the angeles jeepney then here is the most common pickpocket trick used.

You are sitting on a jeepney,3 or 4 pick pockets get on and sit close to you, usually 1 on each side and opposite, don't forget jeepneys are small and are not built for westerners so sitting close is normal.

While the jeepney is moving the pick pockets opposite to you drops a handful of small coins on the floor, you being the gentleman lean down to help pick them up, its now while your mind is occupied that the pickpockets sitting next to you will strike.

Friend of mine got pick pocketed by them using a razor blade on his pocket, he did not feel / know anything till he went to pay for drinks in a bar that his cash was gone and his pocket cut, they are very skilful so be aware.

My trick with cash on me is to wear a very thin money belt around my waste and tucked into my underpants, no fucker getting in there LOL.[/QUOTE]This is an absolutely absurd and a paranoid scenario. What Angeles jeep route did this occur in? Have you actually been in a Jeep in AC? The people are stuffed in like sardines as I said. Unless you weigh about 100 pounds you can't lean over and pick up coins off a jeep floor and expose your ass. This tiny foriegner would have to be drunk out of his mind to allow this while some one carves his back pocket with a razor?

How tall was 'your friend'? 5 flat and 80 pounds? Thats the only way his ass could have been exposed in a jeep. Being a gentleman we help the pinays with heavy lifting and reaching things up high not picking up coins. When the carved out his wallet did they also pull the hayseeds out?

Anyone who wears his wallet in his back pocket stuffed with cash in a third world country deserves to have his pocket picked. The chance of it happening in the open street is 1000 x greater than the tiny confines of any Phils jeep.

Think how absurd your wacky scenario sounds in a practical sense of keeping your money tucked into your moneybelt on night on the town in AC? So you reach for your money inside your underpants everytime you want to pay your bartab? Just keep the night banknotes in your front pants pocket. Moneybelts are great for intercity or international travel not barhopping in a jeep for a night.

Why would anyone even carry a wallet on a night on the town in a third world country? Who carries their money in their back pocket in the 21st century? No need for elaborate schemes and moneybelts. If you have been to AC you will know that a night on the town is mostly all cash transaction. When you leave the hotel your wallet and valuables should be in the hotel safe in your room or the front desk safe if you know the place.

Simply keep your cash and cellfone and maybe one CC and a photocopy of your passport in your FRONT pockets. All mens attire have this nifty feature and will make it impervious to any pickpocket who does not hit you a full on frontal assault in the street. The FRONT pocket is IMPOSSIBLE to reach on a man in a jeep in any scenario. You are in a fetal crouch position the entire time unless you are a child or a circus midget.

Napa your advice on Angeles City is pretty off base usually for anyone who actually enjoys the place. Ok we get it you don't like the place. The fact that you spent many nights with your dick in your hand in AC says alot more about you than AC itself. Angeles is what it always was. The bars are staffed with a representative proportion of a crossection of young poor brown pinays from the lower classes from all throughout the archepelago. Its not a place to find a girl that looks like a star of a GMA soap opera. There are no university graduates with which to discuss the meaning of mans existense in the galaxy.

Its the simplest quickest cheapest place on earth to find a cute simple little brown girl to spend the night with you and treat you like she's your teenage GF even though you are twice her age. If you are not twice her age at least frankly then Angeles city bars is not a place you should / would enjoy. I know I wouldn't.

Simply Angeles bars are not for young men who can land young pussy in a normal social setting. If you don't fit this description then your advice is useless for those of us who enjoy the place. Its for shallow older men who want young girls who are from the typical pure pinay look who speak decent enough english as most all of them do.

You come off as a guy in a beer drinkers forum who doesn't drink beer. Ok we get it, you are FORCED to be in AC for whatever reason. You seem to go out of your way to post negatively about the place from every angle possible.

The story of getting your money carved out in an Angeles jeep takes the cake hats off to you 'common'? Give us a break. This is a tall tale for the ages and patently absurd to anyone who has take one trip in a jeep. Stop trying so hard to be negative about the place.

Pantot, have to fully disagree with you yet again.

Who is not able to bend down while sitting in a jeepney, maybe you or a guy who is 150-200 kg and can't bend down anywhere in life but certainly not me (95KG and average height) or many foreigners I have seen in jeepneys.

The jeepney coins trick has been reported by many on many angeles boards over the years so not sure why you are so unbeleiving.

Money is normally taken from guys rear or side leg pockets, yes would be hard to take money out of front pockets while a guy was sitting down of course.

As for my money belt, I am sorry you take such offence, it works well for me and is a good tip to pass on IMHO,they are after all sold in most phills/thai department stores so i am sure i am not the only one using them,they are designed especially thin to be worn under clothing for protection,

When I want to pay my bar bill I just go to the loo (cr) get out what cash I want and pay, simple really, might not work well for you.

As far as my opinions, they are my opinions, what I experience on my many angeles visits,things i see with my own eyes,

If you do not agree with my posts for your personal reasons (monetary, desperate bar owner, rose coloured glasses member or you have never visited angeles then please use the ignore button after all its there for a reason.

[QUOTE=Pantot;1838856]

Anyone who wears his wallet in his back pocket stuffed with cash in a third world country deserves to have his pocket picked. The chance of it happening in the open street is 1000 x greater than the tiny confines of any Phils jeep.

Think how absurd your wacky scenario sounds in a practical sense of keeping your money tucked into your moneybelt on night on the town in AC? So you reach for your money inside your underpants everytime you want to pay your bartab? Just keep the night banknotes in your front pants pocket.

Why would anyone even carry a wallet on a night on the town in a third world country? Who carries their money in their back pocket in the 21st century? No need for elaborate schemes and moneybelts. If you have been to AC you will know that a night on the town is mostly all cash transaction. When you leave the hotel your wallet and valuables should be in the hotel safe in your room or the front desk safe if you know the place.

Simply keep your cash and cellfone and maybe one CC and a photocopy of your passport in your FRONT pockets. [/QUOTE]I couldn't agree with you more on this. I carry what I need for a day or night's entertainment in my front right jean pocket. I carry my cell phone in my left front pocket. Never had a problem. Moneybelts are counterproductive and a pain in the side. They really mark you as a newbie and a target if you open it in public. I have a "travel" belt made by Patagonia that has a hidden zipper running down the inside length of the belt where I can stash up to $1200 in 100 dollar bills. The belt looks and operates exactly like a regular belt so no one knows I am carrying. Perhaps I should not be giving this secret away. Ha Ha. I never take money from it unless I am alone. Again, I keep all my nightly spending money and a CC (if needed) in my right front pocket.

[QUOTE=Pantot;1838856]
AC is the simplest quickest cheapest place on earth to find a cute simple little brown girl to spend the night with you and treat you like she's your teenage GF even though you are twice her age. If you are not twice her age at least frankly then Angeles city bars is not a place you should / would enjoy. I know I wouldn't.

Simply Angeles bars are not for young men who can land young pussy in a normal social setting. If you don't fit this description then your advice is useless for those of us who enjoy the place. Its for shallow older men who want young girls who are from the typical pure pinay look who speak decent enough english as most all of them do.
[/QUOTE]Here I disagree with you. AC and places like it (Pattaya) are for men of all ages, but for different reasons. I wish I had known about and had such easy access to 100's of girls when I was young. I would have learned more about the real value of pussy and what to do with it than I learned in 4 years at college. I think an AC trip or two should be considered mandatory for all young men as part of their higher education and introduction into manhood. I met my first working girl in Jamaica over spring break when I was 19. Hazel, what a great girl. She shagged me for free and taught me doggie. I will never forget her.

[QUOTE=Pantot;1838856]If you are not twice her age at least frankly then Angeles city bars is not a place you should / would enjoy. I know I wouldn't.

Simply Angeles bars are not for young men who can land young pussy in a normal social setting. [/QUOTE]That is not true at all. My youngest brother was 23 the first time I took him to AC and the second time he was 25. Me and my dad had to pry him away from the place so as not to miss our flight to Bangkok. My brother next to me is now 34 and his first time going was 2 years ago. He loves it as well. And I know many more younger guys who like the place. What about all the young US Air Force guys who used to be stationed at Clark; you do not think it was the place for them? I have heard many first hand accounts that it was. You must be trying to keep them away so you can have all the girls to yourself.

[QUOTE=JohnTraveller;1838708]2. Don't go to HiSo, the interesting thing about AC is the bars, if you want discos, go to Manila or Bangkok.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1838724]Bothering us?, who is us?, oh you mean the very few angeles bar owners like yourself who only want to hear what suits your pocket.[/QUOTE]Some confusion: NP are you usaying John Traveller is an AC bar owner? Or just suggesting it?

JT?

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1838743] For the new members who might be thinking of using the angeles jeepney then here is the most common pickpocket trick used. [/QUOTE]Never once been bothered on a Jeep. I routinely ride jeeps and trykes.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1838743]My trick with cash on me is to wear a very thin money belt around my waste and tucked into my underpants, no fucker getting in there LOL. [/QUOTE]Just my opinion. Interesting that we all seem to not want to get picked of what is often small amounts. Like all of us, I don't want to lose my money either. I put bills in several different locations on my person when I go out: right-front pant pocket, left thigh pocket (cargo pants that zip), in a sock, in a shirt pocket sometimes. Unless I'm out for an evening of fun, I usually limit the total to a small amount (as in a few hudred pesos). No kidding, in Cebu last year I went out one night to meet a member for dinner at a nice resto. I took a credit card for the meal, but I had p400 cash for the night with me. I taxi'd across town to enjoy his company, then taxi'd to the Vikings bars to meet a different buddy for a beer, then jeeped back to my hotel (short hop, could have easily walked the mile to my hotel). Still had change left from the 400. Started with 200 in two different pockets. I got some food poisoning that night, and I remember feeling lousy in bed the next morning, but laughing to myself at how cheap it is in phils, and how little money one needs to actually have on him to get back to his hotel: no matter where you are, no matter the city you're in in phils, you only need a max of about 30 pesos in your pocket to get back to your hotel. One jeep? Two? Hence I keep a small bit of money in separate pockets, in case I lose (or have stolen) from another pocket. When going out at night, I rarely take more than p1500 with me (often p1000), even with no CC. I take more if I intend to barfine, but otherwise, that's plenty for transport, a few drinks and dinner.

I choose not to worry about being picked. Was picked only once, on the street in AC, because I let my guard down (I think p800 or so, I reported it here previously) and let someone touch me. This is so rare, that its not worth worrying about (its part of doing biz or vacationing anywhere). A related story. In Body Shop a few years ago was a fairly inebriated large Aussie. He wasn't obnoxious, he was just drunk and being a bit loud and having fun. When he paid his bar tab to leave he pulled out of his right-front shorts pocket a wad of p1000 notes (he's a fat guy and he had to stand up to get into his own pocket) and peeled one off to give to the waitress. The was must have been at least 20-30+ notes. He shoved the remainder into his same pocket while the waitress made change. When she brought the change he pulled out his wallet from his left-rear shorts pocket and shoved the change bills into that. Your first thought is: that's not smart, to let everyone see that kind of coin on you (an easy target, not only the amount, but the specific pockets). A bit later I was walking down Real St and noticed the same gent at the muslim clothing stalls. I too stopped there to look for a 1-piece girls bathing suit. The gent bought something, again pulling out the large wad of bills and paying for it. Again one might think: Not so smart, fella, to flash that kind of cash on the street. He walked away a happy man in punani heaven. I would guess that he's never been picked. While its a problem, especially in dodgy sections of Manila, it probably has never happened (often) to most of us. Like him, I prefer not to let the thought worry me. If some pickpocket gets my full money on a barfine night, in advance I'm going to let it go.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1838803]I have friends that also walk the streets overseas with full wallets and I can not understand why.[/QUOTE]Ya. Been discussed here before. Always get a kick out of guys who make a target of themselves by toting a wallet that's visible in the pocket. It falls into the same category as jewelry (please, leave it all somewhere safe). Money in your various pocket is invisible till you pull it out (no picker will have any idea what pocket to hit if he does not know what pocket to look in).

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1838870]When I want to pay my bar bill I just go to the loo (cr) get out what cash I want and pay, simple really, might not work well for you.[/QUOTE]Not to inflame, but IMHO the idea of going to the CR to get at money when paying a bill seems a bit much. OTOH, in AC bars there have been times when I've stepped into the loo crapper stall to be out of eyeshot, just to count. Confirm my money.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1838886]I have a "travel" belt made by Patagonia that has a hidden zipper running down the inside length of the belt where I can stash up to $1200 in 100 dollar bills. The belt looks and operates exactly like a regular belt so no one knows I am carrying. SNIP Again, I keep all my nightly spending money and a CC (if needed) in my right front pocket.[/QUOTE]Interesting. Must look into that type of belt (for general traveling, not for going out at night). I stopped carrying a CC / ATM in phils unless I know before I depart the hotel that I will need it for a specific purchase.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1838870]Pantot, have to fully disagree with you yet again.

Who is not able to bend down while sitting in a jeepney, maybe you or a guy who is 150-200 kg and can't bend down anywhere in life but certainly not me (95KG and average height) or many foreigners I have seen in jeepneys.

The jeepney coins trick has been reported by many on many angeles boards over the years so not sure why you are so unbeleiving.[/QUOTE]Bending down while on the sitting does not expose your ass pockets in anyway. At 95 kilos you should know this. You cannot raise your ass more than 1 milimeter. It is wedged up against the back of the crude jeep communal bench. Reading things on the net and then claiming it was your friend kills your credibility. I am 80 kilos so smaller than you and I cannot imagine the actual physical possiblity of a razor attack on me un noticed while I'm sitting as you say.

I seriously doubt your have ever been in a jeep to say these things. Most foriegners haven't. If you haven't that's fine and no crime but just stick to personal experiences here and not hearsay and net reports as there are so many people who have first hand experiences that can seperate the fact from paranoia. Crimes would be simple snatches of carry on items jewelry bags on the floor hand held etc.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1838870]Money is normally taken from guys rear or side leg pockets, yes would be hard to take money out of front pockets while a guy was sitting down of course.

As for my money belt, I am sorry you take such offence, it works well for me and is a good tip to pass on IMHO,they are after all sold in most phills/thai department stores so i am sure i am not the only one using them,they are designed especially thin to be worn under clothing for protection,

When I want to pay my bar bill I just go to the loo (cr) get out what cash I want and pay, simple really, might not work well for you.[/QUOTE]Ok sorry for being too harsh here in that aspect. I apologize.

I can relate to a level of concern that may cause one to keep ones 1000 notes money in the money belt while out in the Bars but Westcoasts advice to keep various bills in different wad in front and zippered pockets works for me that's what I do. Cellfone and small notes in one pocket and big notes for the eventual barfine and a hankie in the other pocket along with a debit card just in case. I probably should always carry a photocopy of my passport some where on my person and did for years but have gotten lazy lately. We should all do it if only to make it easy to identify the corpse in a timely manner and notify our love ones in the worst case scenario.

I bought a moneybelt many years ago and still use it for all my trips where I carry a passport and serious money but not for a simple night out but I respect your decision to use it always.

As far as my opinions, they are my opinions, what I experience on my many angeles visits, things I see with my own eyes.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1838870]If you do not agree with my posts for your personal reasons (monetary, desperate bar owner, rose coloured glasses member or you have never visited angeles then please use the ignore button after all its there for a reason.[/QUOTE]I think the level of detail I provide in all my posts establishes my bona fides. I never quote friends or what I read in other boards or even here. I give actual accounts of a place I visit often and know intimately. When I post in places I have never visited in ISG I just ask questions.

Westie, thanks for you input and views.

I think where we differ and why I wear a money belt is the amounts of money I carry / spend.

Although I visit Angeles very regularly my chances to meet with friends / family to go out to a nice restaurant and to barhop is limited to usually 1 or 2 nights per trip.

I like to often treat my close friend/family to a restaurant meal and a few nice bottles of wine, I will often then head out on barhops, buy drinks, buy some lady drinks, maybe barfine so I can easily spend 10,000 pesos on a complete night out, some times more.

Yes fully agree that if one only takes out a couple of hundred pesos then just putting them in pockets is normal and not much to worry about if stolen, but when it comes to carrying much larger sums in order to enjoy the things I enjoy then my hidden money belt is a very sensible thing to use IMHO.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1839041]Westie, thanks for you input and views.

I think where we differ and why I wear a money belt is the amounts of money I carry / spend. ....................[/QUOTE]Best for me is the ankle pouches, under long trousers. So long as the pouch does not show, when you sit down (eg Jeepney). This of course rules out shorts, LOL. In Papillon the guy placed his money in a stainless steel cylinder, which he then inserted in his asshole. Anyone for that one?

I have used money belts before, but don't like wearing belts, so that one didn't last long.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1838922]That is not true at all. My youngest brother was 23 the first time I took him to AC and the second time he was 25. Me and my dad had to pry him away from the place so as not to miss our flight to Bangkok. My brother next to me is now 34 and his first time going was 2 years ago. He loves it as well. And I know many more younger guys who like the place.[/QUOTE]Sorry for being unclear. I was not contesting that no young modern western man cannot enjoy Angeles or the Phils or the easy sex places of SEA in general. My point was that if you go there and its not your cup of tea it may be because you are too young and too proud of your game at your age to appreciate. The vacuous minds of young province Pinays would have left me wanting at their age. Now they are a welcome respite the emotional baggage of the females I could land and reel in in my country at this stage of my life.

These days I would guess 95% of the white guys I see in AC are 30+ at least. The other non white foreigners trend younger.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1838922]What about all the young US Air Force guys who used to be stationed at Clark; you do not think it was the place for them? I have heard many first hand accounts that it was. You must be trying to keep them away so you can have all the girls to yourself.[/QUOTE]Thats a whole different world. I wasn't there. Pinatubo exploded 25 years ago. The internet did not exist. Clark was likely the premier world station for getting easy pussy I agree. I was the age of young airmen in the '80's but not in the service. I was getting all the young pussy I wanted at home in normal everyday life. If I were stationed at Clark in the 80's I would have thought I had the best posting in the world.

I am not contending young men cannot like young pinays of AC. I am just saying if some here think its meh then one reason may be they are too young to fully appreciate it like I would have at that age. Its not geared toward young servicemen or young men in general anymore. Hence the repeated refrain I here lately about the bars being 'boring'. If I were young I would think they were boring too and very monotonous cookie cutter. I am just thier to extract a cute fresh young brown female and the atmosphere is all just background noise good bad or indifferent.

[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;1838886]Here I disagree with you. AC and places like it (Pattaya) are for men of all ages, but for different reasons. I wish I had known about and had such easy access to 100's of girls when I was young. I would have learned more about the real value of pussy and what to do with it than I learned in 4 years at college. I think an AC trip or two should be considered mandatory for all young men as part of their higher education and introduction into manhood.[/QUOTE]Yes but would we have fully appreciated it at the time? Thats my point. Plus I wasnt about to fly halfway around the world on my own dime back in the day to get laid. Thats all there is to do in AC these days. Back in the day the bars served a younger military crowd I'm guessing. Now they are geared toward an older crowd.

One distinction about posters and why we disagree is where we are in life and why we go there. If you are young and / or there for business purposes have expense account etc its a completely different perspective than for a middle aged guy like me there to have fun strictly and visit GF all over the country, snag some BG's etc.

Then you have Phils residents expat retirees who have a whole different set of concerns. Also fluent native language speakers versus those if us stuck in english. If every poster listed his reason for being there in a shorthand bio there it would all be less contentious here but their are privacy concerns so its understandable.

I don't want to keep anyone away! And I don't have a business interest. In the phils my money goes one way. Out of my pocket.

I regularily take tricycles and jeepneys.

Because I am a tallish porinner, I always go 'backrider' on trikes, sitting behind the driver. Can't fit into the damn things or I always end up banging my head so hard on the metal rod roofs. You can also see where you are going if you sit behind the driver.

For jeeps, I always (contrary to local tradition) go sit right behind the driver. You have to do money duties, but it is fun to engage. This way my legs are not in the way of passengers getting on and off and I can talk to the driver about my exact location. Near the driver you are not quite as susceptible to snatchers if you sit right by the door. It is also a little bit safer because you also only have 1 person on 1 side of you rather than both sides.

[QUOTE=Sxxxx;1839047]Best for me is the ankle pouches, under long trousers. So long as the pouch does not show, when you sit down (eg Jeepney). This of course rules out shorts, LOL. In Papillon the guy placed his money in a stainless steel cylinder, which he then inserted in his asshole. Anyone for that one?

I have used money belts before, but don't like wearing belts, so that one didn't last long.[/QUOTE]A stainless steel cylinder in the back pocket would frustrate pickpockets but make negotiating airport and mall security a bit more interesting.