Bangkok Massage Parlors - Except TULIP and ANNIES!

[QUOTE=MrBenn;2386327]I can now put Vanda on my to-do list. She looks pretty in the line-up but I had skipped over her based on a hunch that she might be a bit of a princess. That she is actually a "lovely person" is all I need to know to pull the trigger. I enjoy showing inexperienced pretty girls the ropes so long as they are willing to let me. Does she have any baby damage?[/QUOTE]

No baby damage. Nothing fake on her either, real boobs, real (albeit uncommon) nose. To me, Vanda (at Mango) looks even prettier up close than in the website photos or the lineup. Again, she's not super enthusiastic and her skills are somewhat below average, but she's indeed lovely and does her job. Not a princess, though as always YMMV. My session with her (two shots, DFK, BBBJ, FS) was money well spent, and I would go for a repeat if I'm in a mellow mood (not PSE) and choice elsewhere is slim.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2387452]No baby damage. Nothing fake on her either, real boobs, real (albeit uncommon) nose. To me, Vanda (at Mango) looks even prettier up close than in the website photos or the lineup. Again, she's not super enthusiastic and her skills are somewhat below average, but she's indeed lovely and does her job. Not a princess, though as always YMMV. My session with her (two shots, DFK, BBBJ, FS) was money well spent, and I would go for a repeat if I'm in a mellow mood (not PSE) and choice elsewhere is slim.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the info. I agree that Vanda is prettier in person. The photos don't do her justice. All being well, I'll take her for a spin next week and report back. I've also got Bo and Jenny on my to-do list but with no particular preference as to the running order.

[QUOTE=GuyBrusg1957;2386324]Is DokiDoki the best high end porn star quality massage in Bangkok is that really my only option?[/QUOTE]Not sure where you got the impression DD is a PSE experience.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2387450]If they specifically agree to it beforehand and then try to bail out, it's the "either you do it, or I change to another girl" time (since getting your money back is unrealistic). I prefer being friendly and accommodating, but the deal could not be more clear. Exception is [I]maybe[/I] if you're hung like a horse, though even then, SW girls are seasoned pros and I think they should be able to handle almost everything, unless you insist on jamming your entire 30 cm dick in there, and not stopping halfway.[/QUOTE]In reality if you're halfway through the session and you've already had your dick in her mouth and pussy and finger in her arse it's too late to change and she knows it. The best thing you can do is tell the mamasan and leave a review here.

[QUOTE=MrBenn;2386582]Wise words, Mr F, but there's also another side to this coin. As George Michael once said in his hit single "Young guns (Go for it)" in 1983, "wise guys realize there's danger in emotional ties". He was secretly batting for the other team, of course, but the logic still holds.

Regardless of how angelic a Thai prostitute might be, few men can tolerate the boundless financial needs of her parasitic family or whatever other expensive commitment it was that drove her into this business in the first place. Quite possibly, she might not be angelic at all. She might simply be anally receptive.

When you enter a massage shop just as some saggy old MILF is waving goodbye to an urbane guy who looks like he flies business class, you may be witnessing the reverse of the situation that you described. Almost every Thai massage girl has her favourite customers for whom her GFE is spontaneous but the chances of her reeling in a high status guy are vanishingly small.

As punters, keeping our contractual relationships simple allows us to concentrate our limited relationship energy and financial resources on our own wives and girlfriends.

Apologies in advance but I have to use that well-worn Charlie Sheen quote: "I don't pay them for sex. I pay them to leave".[/QUOTE]Don't get me wrong I love the kissing and cuddling more then ass fucling and CIM swallowing but the simple truth is that with a working girl PSE is real, GFE is not and so to call it such is a misnomer. When you think about it there really is such animal as Girl Friend sex. It can vary from a 4 hour tantric extreme hard core session to a one positional three minute non event. Girl friends sex experience is relationship based with one would expect a degree of genuine affection and fondness something you will not find with a girl you are paying to spend time with. She can pretend and a punter can make himself believe its real or even sometimes actually believe it's real, wake up call friend it's not so be careful before you fall in love.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2387512]Don't get me wrong I love the kissing and cuddling more then ass fucling and CIM swallowing but the simple truth is that with a working girl PSE is real, GFE is not and so to call it such is a misnomer. When you think about it there really is such animal as Girl Friend sex. It can vary from a 4 hour tantric extreme hard core session to a one positional three minute non event. Girl friends sex experience is relationship based with one would expect a degree of genuine affection and fondness something you will not find with a girl you are paying to spend time with. She can pretend and a punter can make himself believe its real or even sometimes actually believe it's real, wake up call friend it's not so be careful before you fall in love.[/QUOTE]For me, the boot is most definitely on the other foot. Obviously, I want my favourite girl to like me because it almost guarantees a good performance which remains consistent over time. Turning on the charm for a pretty girl is all part of the fun and I just can't stop myself. I'm also a bit of a ground-hog when it comes to repeating reliable self-lubricating performers with whom I have made a connection.

In my experience, it's only a matter of time before a regular girl starts dropping heavy hints that she's looking for Mr Right. Of course, she probably has several other current and former customers who already answer to that description but none of them will make a serious commitment to her apart from the unattractive, controlling one who she will only consider if all else fails.

Mango Massage is practically a marriage bureaux. When a superstar leaves, it is often for the happiest of reasons. She may have had to kiss a lot of frogs during the search but a charming girl will eventually find her prince. The guys who ended up with June from Snow While or Cherry from Mango may have little reason to regret their choice; assuming that they have comfortably deep pockets.

There is a downside to all this relationship-building, however. The last time I tried to pass over a feisty regular in the Snow White line-up to sample the charms of another, she completely lost her rag and bawled me out of the shop. Due to her MVP status, she could kick-off like this without having to worry about the consequences.

When I returned to the shop a couple of months later, I took various other girls first just to re-establish the ground rules. When I finally got around to taking the volatile one again, a sullen deep-throating followed by ten minutes of resentful cowgirl performed in uncomfortable silence soon gave way to satisfying make-up sex. Time (and money) heals all.

Despite my best efforts, however, I seem to have got myself into a similar bind once again. There are only so many times that I can inquire about a particular girl's availability over the phone prior to doing a walk-in, safe in the knowledge that she is busy.

The time-honoured solution to this dilemma is to take the regular girl along with the new one but what is the point of taking two girls if you only want to have sex with one of them?

To avoid this drama, I will have to hole up in Mango for a couple of months at least. I have also decided to mix things up a bit by switching girls each week just to preserve my freedom of choice.

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2387512]Don't get me wrong I love the kissing and cuddling more then ass fucling and CIM swallowing but the simple truth is that with a working girl PSE is real, GFE is not and so to call it such is a misnomer. When you think about it there really is such animal as Girl Friend sex. [/QUOTE]Yes a GFE is not Girlfriend Sex. Who cares really? If you have a GF that gives so much more than a typical GFE, then good luck to you. My GF is a little behind some of my more expert regulars, even if she is a little wilder on the bed than most hookers. My ex Farang wife was really dull on the bed, and infrequent. I did not even look forward to it in the end.

Some one coined the term GFE. Girl Friend Experience. It will continue to be used for something that is close to what one expects from a GF but probably / possibly better, and available when we want it. Many girls are performing everything a GF performs or more. It is not up to you to change the meaning, however you can simply avoid using it, rather than keep arguing. There is no real implication of some mystical emotional connection. Love and sex are always known to be two distinct things. GFE is not implying you get both.

Does not really matter if GFE is a misnomer. There are plenty of misnomers around. ET demands BBFS, and CIP to be called a Real GFE. That is fine by me. Makes sense. However I noted that countless other guys used the term GFE even with a condom used. We can't stop them. Just means the definition is not precise, and best a guy give details of what things the girl provides. I don't like very vague descriptions of a service. It is not that useful, however we can't expect guys to always indicate BBFS when they got it. Girls may well give this only selectively. Hell many guys see the need to withdraw the names as well, which then makes the info somewhat useless, other than giving publicity to a venue.

Thai girls are largely with old Farang guys for Financial reasons, or just because they want a good fuck. We don't have to think about emotional attachment on this forum.

Bear in mind also that many Thai girls are quite lonely and desperately want to have a BF to look after them in some way, whatever that means. These are the non hooker types mostly I guess, however I don't like to make a huge distinction.

I judge people largely by what they do. Empty words don't mean much, so I don't need to listen to girls saying a lot of stuff in a sex session. I can get a feeling of we are having a fun time without anything much being said.

I have not had a decent GFE (in my terminology) at the Thermae for quite some time, experiencing restrictive girls, dick scared girls, wish for a quick session, and general lack of showing fun and enthusiasm, hidden body problems too. If I say I got neither a GFE nor a PSE, my meaning is fairly clear (to me at least). So clearly I managed to keep picking the wrong girls more in the Japanese league perhaps. My bad character to ignore lesser girls in my eyes, that might have been very keen and into Farangs. Added to that I would avoid all the bad nose jobs and bad tit jobs. Seems the possible Farang preferring girls were just not hot enough. Hence I give up the venue as just a bad joke for me. Yet I could get a nice GFE from a supposedly lower class girl on Soi 4 on occasion (or I just got lucky with my selection). Found 3 girls there in the last years that I would be happy to repeat, although one was dropped off as not quite hot enough for looks, and tits started to sag too much. Her body is well behind my GF now.

So I need both looks and a GFE attitude. There is little point to me taking a girl that is not close in standard to looks of my GF (still has a great hot body great curves and ass). I have not tried to get GFE to mean a hot body as well, that would be stretching the definition too much. However I have experience in the past of taking very popular girls with average to weak body, and been disappointed in the end. So I know that is not best for me. GFE can only make up for so much. I don't even desire to get girls for free if they look very average. Perhaps porn at an early age has conditioned me to want really hot girls, hard to know where it comes from, but I prefer arty porn with natural girls that are extremely good looking.

When freelancer Donut from Crazy House was a regular for me, was blissful experience because she was very pretty (despite braces on teeth), stunning natural slim body, and very much a "GFE" experience, with quirky high pitched cries during sex (not obviously fake to me), but real pops for her too. She liked DATY and cowgirl as a means to a pop. She worked only part time to pay for her education (some weekends). Having disappeared, I have to suspect he got a permanent sponsor who did not want to share. Easy for a girl of high standard to pick up a sponsor. They don't seem to last. I use the term GFE, but does not mean she had any feeling for me whatsoever other than was able to be a fun sex session. She got both money and fun sex from it. She certainly knocked back guys that she did not have any good feeling about, she could pick and choose, and she chose based on the attitude of the guys I guess, more than looks.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2387450] Exception is [I]maybe[/I] if you're hung like a horse, though even then, SW girls are seasoned pros and I think they should be able to handle almost everything, unless you insist on jamming your entire 30 cm dick in there, and not stopping halfway.[/QUOTE]Ha ha that is funny. Realistically there are almost zero guys with 30 cm (yes I realise sarcasm involved), and actually just 8 inches (about 20 cm) is extremely rare. Not many porn stars are 8 inches or beyond. The true length of the famous John Holmes dick was obviously way below what they often claimed. Anyone who saw his movies would no he did not have much beyond 9 inches tops, maybe less (8+ is possible).

I did see the odd porn video with a guy very long that looked like a fake dick to me. I could see it was probably not real. Stunt cock attached. Anyway I was not believing too easily.

We can all feel sorry for guys hung at 8 inches plus since they can experience a lot of refusals (even there are so few of them statistically), allowing extra girth is also a factor. Guys that are very average may well be lucky to make girls less scared of the dick. Some girls (rather few) say they like big dick but I suspect they mean girth and having the very full feeling. The average vagina length is just 4 to 5 inches and has to stretch to take extra long dong. The long "hung" guys tend to be unlucky that they may not easily be able to get the full length to go in, especially as girls start bitching that it hurts.

Many hookers mentioned to me that they do take anal, but only for customers with average to small dicks, and that are expected to cum quickly. I. e. There is only so much ass fucking they can take.

At a European club I met a tall Italian guy Max who liked Thai girls a lot. The Thai girls confided to me they usually knocked him back, because he a had a dick like a coke bottle, I guess meaning extra long and fat. Had to feel sorry for the poor guy being extra hung. No bonus for sure. He usually had to find some Farang girl or black girl that was willing to suffer the stretch. In another club also occasionally saw some guys extra hung that made girls run away, rather than take the guy, one such guy was even a dwarf with extra large cock (well known to some ISGers perhaps). When girls went with him, they got applause from the mob afterwards for being able to handle him. Ha ha. He got a huge proportion of knockbacks.

The main point really is that being average or less than average can actually be a large advantage in Thailand. Anyone trying to get pills to grow there dick, must be a total idiot, in my view. I once had a Filipina GF, and she told me her ex Farang BF used a suction pup device to try to grow his dick. How silly.

I wish I did not encounter dick scared girls at all, but it happens. Its just shit luck. I would happy to have a smaller dick (with limits) if it could be more sensitive. Being average would be very nice indeed. My best remedy to keeping dick sensitive, seems to be to abstain from wanking, and never drink alcohol before sex, beyond one glass. So take that as advice, for all those with difficulty to cum. Those who cum too quick, drink all the alcohol you like to desensitise the dick a bit. Might last longer. I envy those with sensitive dicks that can pop more often.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2387799]It is not up to you to change the meaning, however you can simply avoid using it [/QUOTE]Never fails to amaze me S. The continuing selfless way you endlessly share your life story and bottomless knowledge on every subject under the sun. I have no doubt some members breathlessly await another exciting installment on what's what. Thing is I am not one of them and with all due respect I don't need advice on my opinion of or usage of the term PSE. I get it PSE is and will continue to be used by working girls to describe their service. My point is that while PSE with a working is real, GFE is not and is essentially meaningless, but as I have said more than once I enjoy the kissing and the cuddling as much maybe even more than anybody else. Let's just leave it at that shall we.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2387814]Ha ha that is funny. Realistically there are almost zero guys with 30 cm (yes I realise sarcasm involved), and actually just 8 inches (about 20 cm) is extremely rare.............[/QUOTE]Are you talking turgid or flaccid?

15.25-15.5 cm. But I have heard over and over and over if a little more or less is ok BUT HARD is the key element for the ladies.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2387814]Ha ha that is funny. Realistically there are almost zero guys with 30 cm (yes I realise sarcasm involved), and actually just 8 inches (about 20 cm) is extremely rare. Not many porn stars are 8 inches or beyond. The true length of the famous John Holmes dick was obviously way below what they often claimed. Anyone who saw his movies would no he did not have much beyond 9 inches tops, maybe less (8+ is possible).

I did see the odd porn video with a guy very long that looked like a fake dick to me. I could see it was probably not real. Stunt cock attached. Anyway I was not believing too easily.

We can all feel sorry for guys hung at 8 inches plus since they can experience a lot of refusals (even there are so few of them statistically), allowing extra girth is also a factor. Guys that are very average may well be lucky to make girls less scared of the dick. Some girls (rather few) say they like big dick but I suspect they mean girth and having the very full feeling. The average vagina length is just 4 to 5 inches and has to stretch to take extra long dong. The long "hung" guys tend to be unlucky that they may not easily be able to get the full length to go in, especially as girls start bitching that it hurts.

Many hookers mentioned to me that they do take anal, but only for customers with average to small dicks, and that are expected to cum quickly. I. e. There is only so much ass fucking they can take..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Franciscass;2387875] Thing is I am not one of them and with all due respect I don't need advice on my opinion of or usage of the term PSE. I get it PSE is and will continue to be used by working girls to describe their service. My point is that while PSE with a working is real, GFE is not and is essentially meaningless, but as I have said more than once I enjoy the kissing and the cuddling as much maybe even more than anybody else. [/QUOTE]I don't tell you how to use the term PSE at all. Others may not need your advice on how to use term GFE. I point out that others don't believe GFE is totally meaningless (even if meaning varies and is subjective) and they will continue to use it. Up to you if you want to use it, but trying stop others will be useless. Some will even use it for specific acts that occurred, but many not. I do not try to debate how "real" is something not precise. Seems silly.

So many guys throughout the world use term GFE, and equivalents in other Language forums. It won't be struck off the list of Standard Abbreviations in a hurry, since is popular.

After visiting Doki Doki and on my last day in Bangkok, I decided to visit Mango and SW as they promised to offer more.

Apple:

Read some favourable reports and I definitely wanted some ego boost to my love making skills since Bangkok has been supremely dry till now for me (except for Doki Doki). Prebooked Apple via their Line ID and showed up around the requested time. First impressions. Cute, presentable, not super model like but honest looks. Her braces seem out of place but then you don't everything in one package. Quickly got undressed and I was amazed at her attention to cleanliness and hygiene. Throughly scrubbing and soaping all the important areas. Full marks to that. Headed to the bed for a non existent massage and chatted away. She seems very new in the business (around 4 months) and has completed 2 years of her nurse study back home. Either she was not good at English or unable to grasp the economics, her college fees are extremely high when you look at average salary of a nurse. She cited family problems that cannot fund her nurse education anymore, hence the massage parlour. She told me that she wanted to work in a big bank (where I currently work), dress up nicely and work with customers who wear clothes. I felt bad but fuck it. I was there was only for one task and not build emotional rapport (built one in Chiang Mai three nights back and was mind fucked).

Getting to the deed, got a very short BJ because her braces were hurting and she didn't seem interested. Maybe turning her on would help. Did the usual tongue on nipple + finger on clit with occasional kisses to neck, ear etc. She got wet in two-three minutes but still was lying there like a dead fish. Maybe she was really inexperienced. I told her to get on top of me and guided her a bit to exactly what I wanted. She did that dutifully but left me wanting for more. I signalled her to put the condom on and started with the WOT, switched to Missionary and finished in Doggy. I always like looking at the ass / asshole (with one finger in) while finishing. Cleaned up and she came in with me to help with bath. Tipped her 150 baht (I only got 1000's and 20's) and as a word of advise told her to continue to take time for study (through Google Translate). She smiled and gave me a peck on my cheeks (not a sexy one but a friendly one).

Overall would advise for mongers who do not want a firecracker but a candle which will blow with the wind.

Yoyo:

Finally after getting my cock sucked at Woods bar, I came back to my hotel on Soi 11 around 10.30 pm to get some rest. I had a flight to catch at 5 am. But I thought otherwise and quickly called SW after all it does seem like a legendary place as per ISG. As per website they are open till 11 but mamasan told till 12. Quickly took a grab bike (aren't they are a boon for solo travellers in crossing over Asok-Sukhumvit interchange also otherwise) and reached SW. I asked for Tangmo but she wasn't available. Ask mamasan to recommend, and she suggested Yoyo. Cute little package with a great friendly smile (I am a sucker for women who smile at you at the first eye contact) although bit aged. These mamasans have their own agenda but even Pam at DokiDoki was suggested by Mamasan. Plus mamasan didn't seem like a greedy one.

Went up to the room and did the usual routine of shower, cleaning and polite cheerful conversation. Told her that it is my 4th boom boom today and she say hope I was not tired as she was horny all day! LOL, who I am to disappoint. Straight went to bed with face and joker up. She got to job and although she said big size big size (I told her I want anal) I was afraid that I might be denied the back door entry. She started sucking me and almost went DT on me for like good 4-5 minutes without gagging. Some hope restored in Yoyo. Signalled her to lie down and I started with my action of nip lick+clit flick. She responded well (Sorry to compare but better than Pam and Apple). She was gyrating with my nip lick and was wet. Kept fingering her for sometime and she her juices didn't stop flowing at all. This went on for like another 15 minutes and she asked me to stop and attacked my joker again. Through out the session she had this nice warm and devilish smile on her. She again gave me toothless BJ mixed with dedicated DT. Fearing I was about to cum again, stopped her, took some time to reorient myself. Asked her to put on condom and lets start the Mad Max Fury. Haha! I spanked her ass and made a vroom sound and she responded with a higher pitch vroom vroom sounds. I shoved joker into her batcave but she said Stop Stop Stop! Yikes! Is this a no go.

She took lube from her vanity bag and applied vigorously over my joker and some inside her ass. Then she said slow slow. I obeyed her and inserted slowly into her batcave. Now I am not well hung like horse but I have big forehead and that seemed like a challenging part. But she was quite a pro and fucked her ass (very slowly and not humping like there is no tomorrow) for about 5-7 minutes and then proceeded to rub her clitoris. Now I am not sure but she gave out a huge sigh and slumped on the bed seconds before I came. Since there was time left, we both showered and I requested for a head massage. Discussed some stuff about our lives and she rubbed my nipples during head massage and I got a boner again. She got up and started blowing me. I was too tired now and wanted to save one shot for a girl I saw at Baccara. Apologized and tipped her 200 baht for her enthusiastic performance and a very taking attitude.

Thanks to all members on this forum who keep contributing to make this a great place unlike neighbouring forums where a chicken rules the roost!

Quick report on a fairly new gal in SW. Mid-20's, has a baby, see-section scar but no real stomach damage, however the breasts are quite pendulous as a result of the kid. I bet they were quite spectacular before. Good attitude, and performance was ok, with a pretty good BBBJ, but cannot do A+ with anyone who is "big-size" she says. FS action was the usual expected multi-position SW action. Would not say she was extremely enthusiastic, but was ok. WIR? Possibly at some point, but still looking for a "regular. " Not quite up to that standard for me.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;2388144]I don't tell you how to use the term PSE at all. Others may not need your advice on how to use term GFE. I point out that others don't believe GFE is totally meaningless (even if meaning varies and is subjective) and they will continue to use it. Up to you if you want to use it, but trying stop others will be useless. Some will even use it for specific acts that occurred, but many not. I do not try to debate how "real" is something not precise. Seems silly.

So many guys throughout the world use term GFE, and equivalents in other Language forums. It won't be struck off the list of Standard Abbreviations in a hurry, since is popular.[/QUOTE]S,

Not sure where that came from but I wasn't trying to stop others using the term PSE or offering advice on using it or not. I was simply offering an opinion whether it makes sense using it to describe an experience with a working girl. For me it doesn't, for you and I'm sure others it does. OK no problem we have a difference of opinion it happens no need to get your knickers in a knot.