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[QUOTE=WestCoast1;1842108]I too see the mistaken cultural clashes (have been guilty of it myself; and I learn new cultural items, sometimes superstitions, on each visit). I think the term is ethnocentrism, and its inside all of us, to some degree. Child-rearing and a child's experiences are different in phils compared to the west. [/QUOTE]You are damn right WC. With an MBA in International Business, I am formally educated in cultural diversity yet I even have to catch myself sometimes when I am travelling and remind myself that I am not back home and people do things differently. Years ago I remember being in the Dominican Republic and this chick gave her 4 year old a bottle of milk to go to sleep with. I damn near lost it. This mf kid so big that earlier he was walking around making dinner for everyone but to sleep you have to give him a damn bottle? I left the house and never talked to the girl again because to me it was damn stupid and I can not deal with stupidity. My daughter's first birthday she was officially finished with bottles and on to sippee cups. And when she learned how to walk that stroller was history.

Just the other night one of my Pinay sent me a message at 3 am. I asked what she was doing up. She said her daughter always wakes up for a bottle everynight at that time. I was like WTF. A 4 year old should have been sleeping through the night years ago and damn shouldn't be sucking on bottles. She said in PI kids stay on bottles as late as 8 years old. I ask so when some kids go to elementary school their parents pack a bottle of milk in their lunch box? She said yep! I will be got damn. That kid would be scared for life if they sent it to a US school with a bottle in it's lunchbox. Kids would talk about his ass for 44 years.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1842314]Just the other night one of my Pinay sent me a message at 3 am. I asked what she was doing up. She said her daughter always wakes up for a bottle everynight at that time. I was like WTF. A 4 year old should have been sleeping through the night years ago and damn shouldn't be sucking on bottles. She said in PI kids stay on bottles as late as 8 years old. I ask so when some kids go to elementary school their parents pack a bottle of milk in their lunch box? She said yep! I will be got damn. That kid would be scared for life if they sent it to a US school with a bottle in it's lunchbox. Kids would talk about his ass for 44 years.[/QUOTE]Yes. Breastfeeding is another example. In various cultures, its done more publicly, or till later ages. I remember an actress being interviewed on TV, maybe 20+ years ago, saying she'd breastfed her son until he was 8. A decade ago I went to a buddy's home to pick him up for a basketball game. His wife sat on the couch and we chatted while he was changing clothes in the bedroom. They had at that time 5 kids (and another later). The youngest, age 3, jumped into his mother's lap and tugged at her shirt. She pulled out a boob and he went to town on that.

Once in my car I asked my bud if age 3 was too old for the boob? "Nah. We breastfed the oldest till he was 8. The next two till they were 7. The last two are still on the boob". He used the word "we". Then: "We gave up breastfeeding in public. People here can't handle that". He also shared that they kept each of their kids in their bed through age 2 (a number of my friends have shared similar), and at times there were multiple kids sleeping in the parent's bed. I think that means they were making the next baby while one (or more) was currently in the bed with them.

I think if you or I found a pinay breastfeeding a 4 or 5 year old, it would be very easy to say: "No kid of mine would be doing that! You won't see that in America / England / Oz!" But, its a different culture, and while its fine to think such, its not OK to say that to her.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1842314]You are damn right WC. With an MBA in International Business, I am formally educated in cultural diversity yet I even have to catch myself sometimes when I am travelling and remind myself that I am not back home and people do things differently. Years ago I remember being in the Dominican Republic and this chick gave her 4 year old a bottle of milk to go to sleep with. I damn near lost it. This mf kid so big that earlier he was walking around making dinner for everyone but to sleep you have to give him a damn bottle? I left the house and never talked to the girl again because to me it was damn stupid and I can not deal with stupidity. My daughter's first birthday she was officially finished with bottles and on to sippee cups. And when she learned how to walk that stroller was history.

Just the other night one of my Pinay sent me a message at 3 am. I asked what she was doing up. She said her daughter always wakes up for a bottle everynight at that time. I was like WTF. A 4 year old should have been sleeping through the night years ago and damn shouldn't be sucking on bottles. She said in PI kids stay on bottles as late as 8 years old. I ask so when some kids go to elementary school their parents pack a bottle of milk in their lunch box? She said yep! I will be got damn. That kid would be scared for life if they sent it to a US school with a bottle in it's lunchbox. Kids would talk about his ass for 44 years.[/QUOTE]I once worked here with a young man of about 30, well educated with an income that should have allowed him to become self-sufficient When I asked why he still lived with his mother, he looked at me somewhat incredulously and asked: "If I moved out, who would make my bed?" I've never forgotten that statement because it reinforces the perpetual infantalization of parent-child relationships here. I'm not making a judgment, it's just a fact of life here that fosters continuous interdependence. It's also the basis for the "utang na loob" socialization process that ties children and parents together by unseverable bonds. Family obligations are almost inescapable.

GE.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1842314]You are damn right WC. With an MBA in International Business, I am formally educated in cultural diversity yet I even have to catch myself sometimes when I am travelling and remind myself that I am not back home and people do things differently. Years ago I remember being in the Dominican Republic and this chick gave her 4 year old a bottle of milk to go to sleep with. I damn near lost it. This mf kid so big that earlier he was walking around making dinner for everyone but to sleep you have to give him a damn bottle? I left the house and never talked to the girl again because to me it was damn stupid and I can not deal with stupidity. My daughter's first birthday she was officially finished with bottles and on to sippee cups. And when she learned how to walk that stroller was history.

Just the other night one of my Pinay sent me a message at 3 am. I asked what she was doing up. She said her daughter always wakes up for a bottle everynight at that time. I was like WTF. A 4 year old should have been sleeping through the night years ago and damn shouldn't be sucking on bottles. She said in PI kids stay on bottles as late as 8 years old. I ask so when some kids go to elementary school their parents pack a bottle of milk in their lunch box? She said yep! I will be got damn. That kid would be scared for life if they sent it to a US school with a bottle in it's lunchbox. Kids would talk about his ass for 44 years.[/QUOTE]All this in the AC forum. Sigh. The most vibrant form in ISG.

Anyway you are dealing with people in a poverty level socio economic environment. Why is any of this surprising? Go visit the same level economically speaking in your own countries. Its not better worse or indifferent. Its the same. Likely in the Phils its better as families at least stick together.

Yes poor families in third world countries or first world poverty areas do not raise their kids as would us privileged fathers with impressive MBA's in the west. I never compare myself to them as I look down my nose.

Move this discussion to the 'Let them eat cake' forum. In the OMG we are so superior section.

What an elitist arrogant out of place post, seriously. Maybe you have an MBA but if you would have taken some anthropology or sociology courses before travelling abroad or simply read Guns, Germs and Steel back in the day you would have realized we are all products of how we are raised not superior.

There are many of thoughtful enlightened Phils families even among the the most poorest but its an overall stunted culture. Try to find and enjoy them if you have that superior attitude rather than mock the sad ones.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1842314]
. I ask so when some kids go to elementary school their parents pack a bottle of milk in their lunch box? She said yep! I will be got damn. That kid would be scared for life if they sent it to a US school with a bottle in it's lunchbox. Kids would talk about his ass for 44 years.[/QUOTE]Theres a number of Brits on this board of the over 50 age, who will remember that all British schools used to provide milk for all kids in "junior" school every day. A relic from WW2 when it was felt some of the population maybe less than well nourished. Don't recall kids laughing at each other for drinking milk. Different countries, different values, different practices. First time I saw a discussion about milk on our boards.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1842358]Theres a number of Brits on this board of the over 50 age, who will remember that all British schools used to provide milk for all kids in "junior" school every day. A relic from WW2 when it was felt some of the population maybe less than well nourished. Don't recall kids laughing at each other for drinking milk. Different countries, different values, different practices. First time I saw a discussion about milk on our boards.[/QUOTE]While in Kenya, Africa, I was going to school there, milk used to be delivered to the schools during the afternoon recess. No laughing matter.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1842314]She said in PI kids stay on bottles as late as 8 years old. I ask so when some kids go to elementary school their parents pack a bottle of milk in their lunch box? She said yep! I will be got damn. That kid would be scared for life if they sent it to a US school with a bottle in it's lunchbox. Kids would talk about his ass for 44 years.[/QUOTE]Mr E. Perhaps you were talking about a baby milk bottle? If so then I can understand that a kid would be laughed at in the US. If you were talking about a bottle of milk that you can buy in a store then I don't understand it. Unless only babies under the age of 2 drink milk in the US.

[QUOTE=WrinkleFree;1842300]
WeChat. I probably should have put more time in APP messaging but if you are staying a long time (1-3 weeks) I think you might can get some decent FL talent from it. One funny exchange with a 19-20 ish girl. She was a 9 in looks, spinner type. She asked what I would pay and I started at 1. 5 k. She replied "No". I asked her what is her price and she said 30 k. Whoa. I didn't take it further so perhaps her bottom price is 10-15 k but perhaps some high rollering koreans are paying that for the younger, pretty ones?[/QUOTE]I think she was just trying her luck. 30 K or even 10-15 K is ridiculous. Even for most Koreans I think.
1. 5 K is a normal price for a FL for an overnighter. Maybe 2 K because she was a 9.

[QUOTE=Pantot;1842347]
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Move this discussion to the 'Let them eat cake' forum. In the OMG we are so superior section.
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There are many of thoughtful enlightened Phils families even among the the most poorest but its an overall stunted culture.[/QUOTE]An overall STUNTED culture....
I think your post should as well be moved to the 'OMG we are so superior section'.

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1842410]I think she was just trying her luck. 30 K or even 10-15 K is ridiculous. Even for most Koreans I think.
1. 5 K is a normal price for a FL for an overnighter. Maybe 2 K because she was a 9.[/QUOTE]With due respect, maybe few years back it might have been possible to get attractive / slim girls for all night at 1.5 - 2 k pisos, but not any more IMHO.,even chubby plain jane freelancers demand 1.5k pisos short time if one is lucky,

In nearly 20 years of visiting Angeles constantly I have never seen a true 9 in looks/body in an Angeles gogo or freelancing.

9's in my book are a few pinay pro models, certain famous pinay TV/ movie stars or the type of teenage girl one can sometimes see in famous teen girl bands.

If a true 9 were available in angeles then she would have a que of guys in a bidding war for her services and yes the sky would be the limit amongst our asian friends,

My recent angeles barhop couple of days ago i would have to agree with wrinklefree in his trip report of most gogo girls were 4-5 in looks and body,yet they still thought they were worth 3k-4k pisos short time when asked

[QUOTE=Mogwai;1842406]Mr E. Perhaps you were talking about a baby milk bottle? If so then I can understand that a kid would be laughed at in the US. If you were talking about a bottle of milk that you can buy in a store then I don't understand it. Unless only babies under the age of 2 drink milk in the US.[/QUOTE]Yes sir. I was talking about the baby bottle with the nipple on it, not the bottle that you pour into a cup.

[QUOTE=Pantot;1842347]Yes poor families in third world countries or first world poverty areas do not raise thier kids as would us priveleged fathers with impressives MBA's in the west. I never compare myself to them as I look down my nose.
Move this discussion to the 'Let them eat cake' forum. In the OMG we are so superior section.

What an elitist arrogant out of place post, seriously.[/QUOTE]And that is when we come to the part where you do not know me. See when my child was born I did not have an MBA and me, her, and her mother were living together in one of those first world poverty areas that you mentioned. We used government assistance and struggled to make ends meet. But because I now had a kid and wanted better for her I was forced to better myself. My daughter was born in 1996 and I did not get an MBA until 2005. Just because a person is on ISG now sharing stories from all over the world, does not mean they have been afforded that opportunity their entire lives, nor that they look down on others from different walks of life.

So neither elitist nor arrogant am I. I have lived in the same position as many socio-economically challenged people and to this day do volunteer work to help those trying to escape that type of life.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1842426]And that is when we come to the part where you do not know me. See when my child was born I did not have an MBA and me, her, and her mother were living together in one of those first world poverty areas that you mentioned. We used government assistance and struggled to make ends meet. But because I now had a kid and wanted better for her I was forced to better myself. My daughter was born in 1996 and I did not get an MBA until 2005. Just because a person is on ISG now sharing stories from all over the world, does not mean they have been afforded that opportunity their entire lives, nor that they look down on others from different walks of life.

So neither elitist nor arrogant am I. I have lived in the same position as many socio-economically challenged people and to this day do volunteer work to help those trying to escape that type of life.[/QUOTE]Well done Mr E, for bettering yourself and for taking the time to help those less fortunate than ourselves, a lesson I should learn to do more often.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1842358]Theres a number of Brits on this board of the over 50 age, who will remember that all British schools used to provide milk for all kids in "junior" school every day. A relic from WW2 when it was felt some of the population maybe less than well nourished. Don't recall kids laughing at each other for drinking milk. Different countries, different values, different practices. First time I saw a discussion about milk on our boards.[/QUOTE]This same custom was applied to Australian schools in the seventies. The milk would be delivered to the school in the early morning and available to drink at morning tea. It was not refrigerated. We drank it warm. And survived.

BD.

[QUOTE=BrainDrain;1842709]This same custom was applied to Australian schools in the seventies. The milk would be delivered to the school in the early morning and available to drink at morning tea. It was not refrigerated. We drank it warm. And survived.

BD.[/QUOTE]I like it straight from the tap of some young MILF's boobie.