Angeles City

[QUOTE=Pompetus;1844055]The issue here if you had read the fucking forum was that the wealth of Korean punters is overstated. The supposed greater affluence of Koreans is used to explain any number of problems, real and imagined, that occidentals have in AC. The point is that it just ain't so. Please interpret this discussion in that context. I regret any assault on your sensibilities that this may cause you. Ultimately there is some good news here for you since you are not responsible for policing the forum and you have the option of ignoring posts that don't affect the tumidity of your pecker.[/QUOTE]The wealth of K punters, dick size, health, culture, it all belongs in the Korean Forums or in the PI General Information forum.

What belongs in the AC forum is AC info. K side issues don't belong here. It's not rocket science.

When a side issue grows legs responsible BMs should move the conversation to the proper forum.

Because wrecking the AC forum w / superfluous non AC ground info is constantly taking place I will stand w / Fastpiston and post it here.

Of course it's a lost cause to try and keep the AC forum about the current AC scene. This forum is close to useless. Boring too.

Having a great time here, I like being out of the main real tourist area make for more relaxing and better environment, alright you got to spend sometimes the odd 100 pesos on trikes. Last night didn't fancy drinking, I am not a heavy drinker, I just texted a girl I met previously in a gogo I liked and she got on a trike straight to my hotel, and I paid the papas on the bike the bee fine, had one of the best nights ever as she still wanted to party so we went to a local Philippine bar and met up with her friends and went on to a bar on fields and partied some more and I only paid normal prices for the drinks, and danced the night away, she is still with me sleeping it off. Been here a week and you got to have to spend your money to enjoy all that Angeles has to offer, no complaints from me!

[QUOTE=Socker;1844099]The wealth of K punters, dick size, health, culture, it all belongs in the Korean Forums or in the PI General Information forum.

What belongs in the AC forum is AC info. K side issues don't belong here. It's not rocket science.

When a side issue grows legs responsible BMs should move the conversation to the proper forum.

Because wrecking the AC forum w / superfluous non AC ground info is constantly taking place I will stand w / Fastpiston and post it here.

Of course it's a lost cause to try and keep the AC forum about the current AC scene. This forum is close to useless. Boring too.[/QUOTE]If it don't apply - - Let it fly.

Everything in AC is getting more expensive every month. This is largely due to people overpaying and barfines skyrocketing. Also they are watching the girls like a hawk to prevent fishing (Sneaking out). Fine!

Girls in Manila quote 6,000 - 4,000 short time which is 10% of the average yearly salary. (Super Crazy) Thus in essence the girl could survive well off of 2 short times a month!

In AC 3,000 -2,000 is the normal quoted price for short time even though their barfines is only that much. I only pay 770 for short time and might throw in 100-200 more only if the girl doesn't have an orgasm.

This is becoming harder to do so. Fine, I set up 5 freebies from the internet this week. Didn't pay for more than dinner each time. Plus the sex was better and sweeter.

The massage girls on the street look hot but all of them are sick or broken in some way.

My recommendation to you is skip the bars and walking street altogether and start tagging freebies.

One more thing you can easily do to protest this horrible situation is STOP buying Korean Products, NO more Samsung, LG, Kymco, KIA, etc. Also express your dislike to everyone you meet about how crappy Korean products are. When did Korean products become popular anyway?

If you are having problems finding freebies, just use WeChat, Tinder, Badoo, Date In Asia, Filipino Dating and about 20 more just like them.

Promise them the world and lie through your teeth. If you don't. This situation will get worse.

Good Luck and Happy Mongering!

For you flamers, if you are employed by a bar or have any vested interest in the prices rising in AC then your opinion is unnecessary. Other People who preach price hiking on this forum are either unintelligent or just trying to spend all of their money before they die.

Prices go up, girls have to work less, they become lazy, service goes down, they become selective and everything turns to crap. I have seen this happen in 10 countries already. Don't let it happen in the Philippines!

Have to agree master monger that Angeles is a shadow of its former self and has been for a few years.

I think its fair to say that attractive / young / slim girls are in very short supply in Angeles gogo bars, these very few girls have many choices, many guys chasing them, many guys willing to put up with their bullshit, most of these girl earn high amounts from their daily salary and hustling expensive lady drinks,tips without having to barfine with anyone unless it is for barhop only purposes with no sex.

Some girls will do all of the above but will sometimes barfine too,they are very selective and only accept a very limited number of bar fines per month and only to the very high rollers who think nothing of splashing the cash.

Years back I would see many guys at breakfast, sitting by the pool with last nights bar girl and most were young and hot, now days I don't see any hot / young girl at breakfast or relaxing by the pool with their punters because most hot girl if one can get the princesses to barfine at all will stay only for 1 pop at best and want to leave, yes I do see some guys with 30+ worn out mummys at breakfast or by the pool who have stayed long time but to be honest what other choice did the lady have, no one in their right mind was going to be buying them multiple lady drinks so they could earn enough to stay in the bar only.

On every Angeles monger board we have the guys with a monetary agenda to bang the Angeles drum, they post, stunning girls available for 1000 pesos, all girls stay long time, never had a runner, never had a girl refuse to barfine, all girls gave multiple pops, Angeles is the best mongering destination in Asia, its the cheapest in Asia, the food is great, Angeles has many activities apart from bar fining, totally safe to walk around even at night, Angeles never had bar raids, no foreigners were ever arrested in raids, girls do not set punters up in [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord903][CodeWord903][/url] scams / [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] scams / money scams, trike drivers are honest, they would never over charge, no pickpockets on jeepneys etc, all I can say is its all total bullshit and designed to put as many newbie bums on bar stalls as possible imho.

Can one still get laid in Angeles, absolutely yes, she might not be a stunner and one might have to search multiple bars,accept rejection, lower expectations, pay high prices and expect short time 1 pop is the normal from any girls that are remotely cute.

[QUOTE=Pompetus;1843993]US person v. Korean = 100*15.5 k-11.3 k)/15.5 K≈27%. Thus an American has 27% more than a Korean. On the other hand:

Korean v. US person = 100 ($15.5 k-11.3 k)/11.3 k≈37%. Thus a Korean has 37% less than an American. The difference is one of point of view.

Koreans pay more for fuel and food for sure and in a country with a dearth of natural resources, doubtless they pay through the nose for materials. Although they raise most of their own animals, they have to import the feed from the US. And they import less fertilizer because they use night soil. Disgusting![/QUOTE]Pompetus this is crazy math, respectfully.

The mongers are showing up in AC from both countries. This is the AC forum by the way, and the sex tourists are not the hypothetically 'average' male inhabitants of the country. Its the ones with the wherewithal, drive, motivatiations, personal and / or business relationships, geographical proximity, etc etc I could go on forever.

Korea has multiple daily flights to AC I am sure they are cheap. Its a 4 hour flight. I have flown many flights from the US, east coast by the way in which my 30 to 40 hour round trips last leg was a trip from Incheon etc. To Manila Then I have to get to AC by taxi bus etc I have taken them all. There are no flights from the eastern USA directly AC for under $2000 to $3000 + ever. So these relatively 'poor' koreans spend infinitely less money and time than we do to get there first of all and can go for a simple weekend.

In addition they have a huge language barrier when communicating with the girls compared to english speakers. They are forced to throw more money at the girls because they can't seduce them as english speakers can.

The clark economic zone and AC in general has much more Korean business people on expense accounts there than americans IMO.

Koreans that go there are not 'poorer' than Americans or Australians etc, but they have different issues. More Koreans than Americans percentage wise are in AC on local BUSINESS. That frees up personal cash if you are there on the companys dime.

Just food for thought that goes beyond a per capita analysis of the relative spending power of 2 countries mongers.

[QUOTE=Pantot;1844467]Just food for thought that goes beyond a per capita analysis of the relative spending power of 2 countries mongers.[/QUOTE]The entire analysis is faulty. Who says that any of that is representative of a typical sex tourist from that country? Might as well be throwing darts. The simple fact is that they tend to spend more money because they'd rather get the girl they want. While some guys here are very budget conscious and want value for money, some of us don't have the time to spend hours in a bar, wait until closing, etc. Paying 500-1000 pesos more just isn't worth the time or hassle.

I'm sure if we all calculated our hourly pay, we lose more by spending time hunting the prey and playing the game. So I don't mind paying up sometimes if that results in a more efficient transaction. I lose more by being indecisive or sitting around. Many are in the same shoes.

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;1844415]Everything in AC is getting more expensive every month. This is largely due to people overpaying and barfines skyrocketing. Also they are watching the girls like a hawk to prevent fishing (Sneaking out). Fine!

Girls in Manila quote 6,000 - 4,000 short time which is 10% of the average yearly salary. (Super Crazy) Thus in essence the girl could survive well off of 2 short times a month!

In AC 3,000 -2,000 is the normal quoted price for short time even though their barfines is only that much.[/QUOTE]I am also dismayed w / the trends. If the increases were coming at a reasonable pace it would be easier to accept but things are just out of control (especially) in AC. You can't even blame the big bars as the expats like to do. The increases are coming from the bottom up IMO. One really can't blame the tourist as they are short on time and some do not want to do w / out the pussy of their dreams, hence throw money at it. It seems to me supply and demand are out of whack probably due to cheap airfares, and word of mouth. Right now some newbie is just realizing the possibilities from exploring this website. Everything human related is moving faster than ever before and so the point and click days are a little more problematic.

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;1844415]. Fine, I set up 5 freebies from the internet this week. Didn't pay for more than dinner each time. Plus the sex was better and sweeter.

The massage girls on the street look hot but all of them are sick or broken in some way.

My recommendation to you is skip the bars and walking street altogether and start tagging freebies.[/QUOTE]Tourist can do this and I'm sure you can have your fun. The two reasons I don't go this route is # 1. I'm not going to lie to the lady about a potential romance. 2. This is the biggest reason, non pro who will fuck you are no near as good looking as gogo girls. So as is w / most commodities in life "you get what you pay for". I will pay for a newish bargirl, I will tell we are going to have fun and then I am going to fuck her good. I like my odds w / the bargirl as opposed to a so called non pro.

The sex might be better sometimes when these mid tier ladies are hungry and want repeat business, not to mention a potential hubby. But they never look as good as a sexy bargirl.

I stick w / FLs, gogo girls, beer bar girls, the latter 2 are expensive but can be long term side lines if you can charm them. Your initial cost is high after that they have your number (no BF) for when they are hungry and I find many are always hungry.

AC might price me out of their market. I will miss the little dump.

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;1844415]One more thing you can easily do to protest this horrible situation is STOP buying Korean Products, NO more Samsung, LG, Kymco, KIA, etc. Also express your dislike to everyone you meet about how crappy Korean products are. When did Korean products become popular anyway?[/QUOTE]Now this I like, LOL, I'll start telling my friends to boycott K products. Excellent!

I will add that generalizations apply to all races. When I'm running around fucking the killer pussy in the PI I treat all Philippines w / respect. I want them to want me there in the PI fucking that good PI pussy, and I get the impression they want me to stick around. So in a nutshell there is a fair percentage of bargirls that like westerners for their fun loving personalities and that most are not Cheap Charlies. I do my part in creating a positive impression of westerners, are you?

[QUOTE=MasterMonger;1844415]Promise them the world and lie through your teeth. If you don't. This situation will get worse.[/QUOTE]This is where I get off the bus. I'm not going to hurt some little pinay's feeling to get my dick wet. Life is already tough enough for them.

Otherwise Master Monger is spot on IMO. There is always a way to get over I think is the general message here.

[QUOTE=Kaywhy;1844478]The entire analysis is faulty. Who says that any of that is representative of a typical sex tourist from that country? Might as well be throwing darts. The simple fact is that they tend to spend more money because they'd rather get the girl they want. While some guys here are very budget conscious and want value for money, some of us don't have the time to spend hours in a bar, wait until closing, etc. Paying 500-1000 pesos more just isn't worth the time or hassle.

I'm sure if we all calculated our hourly pay, we lose more by spending time hunting the prey and playing the game. So I don't mind paying up sometimes if that results in a more efficient transaction. I lose more by being indecisive or sitting around. Many are in the same shoes.[/QUOTE]I am pretty sure I have more money than most Koreans and even other foreigners for that matter. To be honest if I pay 770 or I pay 3000 I still probably won't spend all the money I have in the bank by the time I die.

Not the point!

Let me put it in a perspective you can understand. Let's say you were a private consultant. Let's say you started only making $20 an hour. You would have to work hard and provide good service just to pay your bills and survive. Now let's say the market changed and you were now making $120 an hour. Now you would have to work a sixth of the time and you could pass on many jobs. You could even provide less service because you wouldn't be afraid of losing some work.

Do you understand? Simple economics. If you continue to pay more service will continue to decline. Stop paying too much, stop making excuses for your ignorance. If you want to be generous, give a gift but stay strong on the cash you give them to keep them hungry and providing good service. I give Jewelry, Perfume, Lip Gloss, Sex Toys, KY Jelly, Sexy Clothes, and Chocolate.

If the prices keep going up and service declines, people will choose Indonesia or Even South America over the Philippines, I have seen this happen in Thailand, China, Costa Rica, USA, Japan, Korea, Cambodia and Vietnam.

Give gifts! Not cash! Or watch the Philippines pay 4 play market crash and burn.

We can control it, not the bar owners and not the girls. If we stop providing them with the cash they will be forced to work 50-60 hours a week for $200-300 a month. The lazy girls will be back to $30 a day for longtime in no time!

Be Smart protect the market! Free sex is easily had in the Philippines, most Filipino guys are horrible people so the girls cherish a little respect and good sexual skills!

Not sure what's going on with the Koreans, men. Just saw a 9. 5/10 on a trike with a K-man, 40+, fat. Was driving with my girl in my Z3 when we stopped next to them in a traffic jam. Rolled down the window, lowered my shades and looked at them, confused. "What. The. ".

Apparently Samsung makes mind control drugs, too.

Money talks. They overpay and allegedly have small dicks which mean less work for lazy chicks.

[QUOTE=ImAGuy;1844553]Not sure what's going on with the Koreans, men. Just saw a 9. 5/10 on a trike with a K-man, 40+, fat. Was driving with my girl in my Z3 when we stopped next to them in a traffic jam. Rolled down the window, lowered my shades and looked at them, confused. "What. The. ".

Apparently Samsung makes mind control drugs, too.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Cool;1844563]Money talks. They overpay and alledgedly have small dicks which mean less work.

For lazy chicks.[/QUOTE]I underpay and have a big dick. What is their reasoning for coming with me?

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1844590]I underpay and have a big dick. What is their reasoning for coming with me?[/QUOTE]Who knows, maybe you're a quickie or related to Trump. Not sure how any of this is useful info on the AC thread. At the end of the day, it comes down to the size of your piggy bank, your corporate account or your pension. Some of us have more or less wealth vs the next person. And hopefully everyone is living within their means.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1844590]I underpay and have a big dick. What is their reasoning for coming with me?[/QUOTE]Rugged good looks and exceptional intelligence?

Why the Koreans have more money to spend. Just some thoughts in general.

1. Their flight is much shorter and thus cheaper and I believe their discount airline has direct flights to AC now.

2. Many cultures brag about getting the best girl for the cheapest price. Korean culture is more about spending the most money as if that dictates they have the best girl.

3. The largest monthly expense for most people is their mortgage / rent. Koreans many times continue to live with mommy and daddy until they get married in their mid to late twenties. Thus, saving big money.

4. The largest reason you see the Koreans in groups is business. It is expected to take out business partners / customers / suppliers to build bonds. It is OK for them to take these groups to girlie bars while in my country I would lose my job doing the same thing. Koreans can take associates to A. See. And write it off as a business expense. It is very hard for you and I to compete against Samsung's and Hyundai's business credit card.

Girls preference for Koreans:

Girls like the Koreans because they either go diving first thing in the morning if they are at beach resorts or they go golfing many times in the morning so the get rid of the girls either that night or first thing in the morning.

Koreans do not like to rock the boat like more individualistic cultures so they are less likely to say anything about being overcharged drinks and girls demanding large tips.

I am white and I barhop with a Korean guy and some of his buddies at times. We get the strangest looks. Sometimes it is just him and I and the girls get scared like we are NBI (national police).