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[QUOTE=Turgid;2524432]In addition to being very ugly I banged her very hard in many different positions during our half hour so that might be why she stated so much. Or it could be that because all FKK clubs were closing down she thought that p4p would be in short supply so the demand would be greater.[/QUOTE]Banging her very hard should be a very positive thing, we all know that the girls are in the FKK for having sex.
[QUOTE=MrHo;2524287]Yeah, once in Artemis, a girl and I took only room that was available which is by cinema down stairs, the room with just red velvet curtain, and we were having very amazing deep GFE session, you know so into it in sweet way, then suddenly her face change to evil look and began shouting something in German LOL! I was like what happened and she said, there was some freak guy watching us between the curtain LOL! So voyeur do exist!! It is not my thing to watch or to be watched!
However, I have walked into other peoples session in many FKK, I am guilty of this, let me explain, I go to take a piss during my longer session of one or one hour and half and when I try to get back to my room where I was fucking a girl, I forget the room number and walk into room where other guest is fucking girl LOL! You should see the shock on their face and also on mine LOL! It is like the movie Home alone poster on all of us LOL! I apologize and keep opening the wrong door till I get my room right LOL be sure to remember the room number you are in LOL![/QUOTE]If you ever been to the FKK Villa in Hannover back when CeBIT was really big, it could be pretty much impossible to find a room, so you would find people banging in every corner of the place, even in the lounge area or against the bar. It was pretty wild and all good fun.
I never really cared to much if someone was waching, so have banged girls in Cinemas in several clubs, including Artemis. Girls seem to feel they need to put on a good show when other people can watch them, so you can get quite a PSE. It can be fun.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2524477]Post-pandemic, I could see more people continuing to work from home, and smaller trade fairs. That translates to less "business travel". Let's be honest, if your company is paying for your flight to attend a Messe at Frankfurt, are you going to shop around for the best deal? So selling overpriced seats to business travellers is where airlines were making some of their biggest profit margins, and that enabled airlines to offer lower prices to non-business travellers.[/QUOTE]As a value travel shopper, I fear that your assessment may be correct. Without airlines benefiting from high-profit margin tickets, the cost might just be transferred to economy class ticket purchasers.
I do hold out hope due to one phenomenon. The median income of my peer group is somewhere in the low 6 figure range. That's a fairly high number although hardly wealthy. That being said, for personal travel, most of them rarely purchase first class or business class tickets for long haul flights. Even my $200 K+ earner friends rarely purchase those tickets. The ones who do fly business and first class are usually a special group. They are the weekly business travelers in consulting and perhaps sales. Due to their frequency of travel on company dime, they manage to achieve platinum / diamond airline status meanwhile accumulating up to millions of frequent flyer / reward miles / points. Because of this, their seats are frequently upgraded while traveling for business and when "purchasing" a ticket for personal use, they just use their rewards points / miles to be upgraded to business and first class.
I suspect that a large chunk of business and first class travelers are upgrades and rewards users. If this is true, then perhaps the loss of business class revenue may not be as great as it may appear on the surface.
[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;2524604]If you ever been to the FKK Villa in Hannover back when CeBIT was really big, it could be pretty much impossible to find a room, so you would find people banging in every corner of the place, even in the lounge area or against the bar. It was pretty wild and all good fun.
I never really cared to much if someone was waching, so have banged girls in Cinemas in several clubs, including Artemis. Girls seem to feel they need to put on a good show when other people can watch them, so you can get quite a PSE. It can be fun.[/QUOTE]I was never into watching others fuck or getting watched while I fuck, but maybe one day, I might began to be further hentai LOL!
[QUOTE=Turgid;2524431]I let the girl keep the door open.[/QUOTE]That can solved my issue of walking into others room while they are fucking, but now I simply bother to remember my room number LOL! And also I stopped smoking weed in FKK now too LOL!
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2524620]As a value travel shopper, I fear that your assessment may be correct. Without airlines benefiting from high-profit margin tickets, the cost might just be transferred to economy class ticket purchasers.
I do hold out hope due to one phenomenon. The median income of my peer group is somewhere in the low 6 figure range. That's a fairly high number although hardly wealthy. That being said, for personal travel, most of them rarely purchase first class or business class tickets for long haul flights. Even my $200 K+ earner friends rarely purchase those tickets. The ones who do fly business and first class are usually a special group. They are the weekly business travelers in consulting and perhaps sales. Due to their frequency of travel on company dime, they manage to achieve platinum / diamond airline status meanwhile accumulating up to millions of frequent flyer / reward miles / points. Because of this, their seats are frequently upgraded while traveling for business and when "purchasing" a ticket for personal use, they just use their rewards points / miles to be upgraded to business and first class.
I suspect that a large chunk of business and first class travelers are upgrades and rewards users. If this is true, then perhaps the loss of business class revenue may not be as great as it may appear on the surface.[/QUOTE]I think there will be more travel than before eventually because look, even now, with all these restrictions, people are still travelling between the loopholes of restrictions! We humans and also our society as well as its system got too used to the globalization that the world won't function without it like it is not functioning now! So it will come back with vengeance and back to even more than before!
[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2524517]Banging her very hard should be a very positive thing, we all know that the girls are in the FKK for having sex.[/QUOTE]No, girls are in the FKK for having sex only with you, for all other men it is for the money.
[QUOTE=Mursenary;2524620]The ones who do fly business and first class are usually a special group. They are the weekly business travelers in consulting and perhaps sales. Due to their frequency of travel on company dime, they manage to achieve platinum / diamond airline status meanwhile accumulating up to millions of frequent flyer / reward miles / points. Because of this, their seats are frequently upgraded while traveling for business and when "purchasing" a ticket for personal use, they just use their rewards points / miles to be upgraded to business and first class.
I suspect that a large chunk of business and first class travelers are upgrades and rewards users. If this is true, then perhaps the loss of business class revenue may not be as great as it may appear on the surface.
[/QUOTE]From investopedia:
[QUOTE]Airlines receive only about 60% of their revenue from passengers directly (the other 40% comes from selling frequent-flier miles to credit card companies and other travel partners like hotels and car rental agencies). But of that 60% of passenger consumer revenue, the big money comes from business travelers as opposed to those flying for leisure or personal reasons in percentages that far outweigh their numbers. Business travelers account for 12% percent of airlines' passengers, but they are typically twice as profitable. In fact, on some flights, business passengers represent 75% of an airline's revenues.
Businesses are generally willing to pay more to book last-minute and non-stop flight options but rarely allow premium-section seats for rank and file employees.
Businesses usually allow employees to leverage business travel to earn and keep frequent flyer miles and points, which are increasingly valuable to airlines as a source of revenue and data.
www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/041315/how-much-revenue-airline-industry-comes-business-travelers-compared-leisure-travelers.asp[/QUOTE]Also some interesting statistics here including:
[QUOTE]https://blog.spendesk.com/en/business-travel-statistics
Business travel accounts for 22.2% of travel and tourisms contribution to European GDP. (World Travel & Tourism Council)[/QUOTE]Any kind of reward points doled out are the result of high spending. Airlines are not going to reward 50 cents on every dollar spent. RE: travellers who use rewards earned from business travel towards personal travel, from the airline's standpoint, that is still probably quite lucrative business model. To even qualify for that upgrade in the first place, somebody (usually the company) must have spent significant sums of money. In that sense, we could consider that upgrade as being "prepaid".
Many companies allow employees to keep the points they earn from business travel as a perk. If that same corporate travel policy also allows the employee to pick their own flights, then the employee is NOT incentivized to find the best deal and save their company money. Even if the corporate travel policy states "No business or economy class for flights under 10 hours", that employee who is booking their own travel could still choose the economy ticket that is not the cheapest, but the one that earns them the most reward points. Likewise, if the company allows employees to book flights on their own personal credit card and be reimbursed later. So post-pandemic, if you have fewer of these scenarios where "someone else" is footing the bill, then you have more cost-conscious customers, which means airlines could see lower profit margins even on their economy tickets.
All the airlines have dedicated divisions to manage accounts for their corporate customers. Apple is United Airlines' biggest corporate account, $150 million annually, and 25 percent of that was spent on the San Francisco (SFO) - Shanghai (PVG) route alone. Apparently, Apple books 50 business class seats per day on that SFO-PVG route, each seat normally costing $2500. I assume Apple gets some discounts based on volume: [URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/travel_news/article-6593489/Confidential-data-United-Airlines-corporate-clients-leaked.html[/URL].
This is a bit dated from 2012, but Daimler Germany paid business class for all flights over 10 hours, for everyone in the company, even junior employees. I suspect large companies like Daimler who have offices all over the world are able to negotiate better pricing by making an airline like Lufthansa their exclusive or preferred vendor: [URL]https://www.wiwi-treff.de/Berufsleben/Geschaeftsreisen/Welche-Firmen-fliegen-heute-noch-business-class/Diskussion-17499[/URL].
Here is a place where we could possibly hold out hope: perhaps governments will step in and subsidize airlines. Cities like Frankfurt are not tourist hotspots, but they are financial hubs. Business travellers infuse a lot of money into the local economy (hotels, restaurants, FKK clubs). How much money do hotels make during a major Messe when every hotel room is booked at 2-3 times the nightly rate? How many married business travellers were introduced to FKK Palace for the first time by a Frankfurt cab driver getting a kickback? Many international companies have a presence in Germany, and when someone from upper management comes down from corporate, they often take the the staff out to dinner. That could be a few thousand EUR restaurant and alcohol bill for a local restaurant owner. The Messe alone probably probably generates work for thousands of local people: construction, audio video technicians, security, food catering. "Bleisure" travelers who extend their business a trip a few days to see the sights would disappear if business travel as a whole decreases. For instance, that guy who has a business trip in Frankfurt, but plans to stay an extra week to see Bavaria, never even makes the trip to Germany.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2524772]No, girls are in the FKK for having sex only with you, for all other men it is for the money.[/QUOTE]I wish for it but unfortunately it is not the case, I am not a good fucker contrary to many guys on this forum who are able to make the prostitutes coming so often and many times, I am also a very bad driver contrary to so many guys who are even better than Hamilton.
[QUOTE=ExpatLover;2524517]Banging her very hard should be a very positive thing, we all know that the girls are in the FKK for having sex.[/QUOTE]Even I knew one at LR who was paid only for companionship in couch for hours with no sex, maybe these guys didn't find her good for sex, but better for gossiping, or maybe she managed to avoid sex with them, but not with me who didn't want to gossip with her, having sex for 3 hours on day. One at Bruggen also learned for companionship, being booked whole day, when I was told: the longest booking, the less sex. But usually, most of girls know we go to them and pay them for sex, even many guys go to room and don't have sex. I usually don't rush, taking all my time to make enjoyable, but.
Had only 1 room with no sex, with German Lucifer at Palace on April 2017 for our fifth room, she told me: but you don't want sex? No, I left the room after 15 mn and giving her 50.9 months after, when she had guys waiting for her at Bruggen, but she wanted I go with her, but I didn't want. I think I gave up fucking around 3 times, because really too small pussies for my size, too bad for sex and making me feel uncomfortable to see these girls reactions, when I could even finish with Luana LR / Florentina GT, really adapting to her. When I usually like to control with belly muscles to stay on the edge and play with the girl, from her reactions. Funny game and no need for viagra or same. Sport help.
One upside to the flights post-covid is that during the pandemic a lot of airlines and leasing companies have been slashing debt at a large scale. So once it is over, economy traveller's won't be paying so much for sustained debt levels. But only time will tell for how long this will last. Looking 5-10 years ahead though, continental flights at least will become more and more electrified, so that will revolutionize short haul cost also. But intercontinental might be more tricky. Maybe you just got to take a lot of shorter hops through Greenland and Iceland?
[QUOTE=MrHo;2524658]I was never into watching others fuck or getting watched while I fuck, but maybe one day, I might began to be further hentai LOL![/QUOTE]You never know until you try LOL.
[QUOTE=McAdonis;2524791]Any kind of reward points doled out are the result of high spending. Airlines are not going to reward 50 cents on every dollar spent. RE: travellers who use rewards earned from business travel towards personal travel, from the airline's standpoint, that is still probably quite lucrative business model. To even qualify for that upgrade in the first place, somebody (usually the company) must have spent significant sums of money. In that sense, we could consider that upgrade as being "prepaid".
Many companies allow employees to keep the points they earn from business travel as a perk. If that same corporate travel policy also allows the employee to pick their own flights, then the employee is NOT incentivized to find the best deal and save their company money.
if you have fewer of these scenarios where "someone else" is footing the bill, then you have more cost-conscious customers, which means airlines could see lower profit margins even on their economy tickets.
Here is a place where we could possibly hold out hope: perhaps governments will step in and subsidize airlines..[/QUOTE]For sure, business travel is a (the) backbone of airline travel for all of the reasons that you stated and airlines will take a hit no matter what. No doubt that without government intervention, the retraction of business travel culture will lead to leisure travelers eating some of the loss of profit in the form of higher ticket higher prices.
I'm just offering some hope of optimism in that the mere loss in business class sales by actual business travelers may not be what actually leads to the direct loss in airline profit margins. The bulk of business travelers are still flying economy but are superficially making it appear as if all of the business class seats were actually purchased in hard cash, as in direct profits. Point is, a bigger loss might actually come from the lack of daily economy class business travelers, and perhaps like you said, last minute economy class business travelers paying bloated economy ticket prices.
One would think that senior management travel currently travel less than the young consultant and middle level company lieutenants, leaving the latter to handle the weekly logistics and stress of company operations. The former are probably the ones that always travel business class or higher while the young, weekly travelers are relegated to those economy class tickets. Perhaps the former's travel habits will be less affected in the post pandemic world and actual business class sales do not suffer as much of a direct loss as it would suggest on the surface.
My other optimistic hold out. I've always felt that business class tickets are extremely artificially bloated due to careless company spending. With smaller amounts of business travelers filling up the first class seats, perhaps the market will dictate that business class tickets come down to a reasonable price practical to the upper middle class. At current prices, there is no way I'm willing to spend a few months of home mortgage on one intercontinental plane ticket.
After the pandemic, whenever this finish, how do you imagine the FKK scene will be?
Will its change from before corona or it stay the same?
If it change what do you think will change? More or less girls? Better services? Change prices?
I know its hard to tell for sure. But just wondering.
I think not much will change. Maybe more girls (hopefully) which will lead to more competition between girls and better services overall.
[QUOTE=Carpaccio18;2524885]You never know until you try LOL.[/QUOTE]That's a good point, well then, I will be that hentai mofo between the curtain of down stairs room by cinema in Artemis voyeur-ing some mongers session through that crack of the curtain LOL!
I am planning to go to Globe public sex day at one point though!