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I don't really like lying to the girls but it is a perfect solution to curb providing business to the overpriced bars and girls who want to offer less service.

Most of us mongers have had a lot of practice at making love. Therefore, we are quite good at sex, we know exactly how to give the girl the orgasm.

I may lie to the girl, but I still treat them with the utmost respect (other than the lying).

When the girl comes back to your hotel room that fast she kinda knows the score.

If you are amazing at sex and make the girl cum like a river, they at that point, don't believe it is possible for her to be your long term girlfriend or wife. You are giving her a lifetime memory of a great sexual experience, she is better off for it.

Bottom line they are not angry after this, and they are happy to have known you.

On the rare occasion I don't give them an orgasm, I give them a nice gift or provide some monetary reward for the experience they gave me.

Hey Socker, I think I am a pretty good guy and girls like me. I usually have 1 or 2 girlfriends each trip but now I switched my plan to only freebies. Don't blame me, blame the market!

Most of us mongers have had a lot of practice at making love. Therefore, we are quite good at sex, we know exactly how to give the girl the orgasm.

*Most guys just want their own rocks off and do not care much if the girl gets her's off. I drive to work every day but hardly consider myself a great driver like I could enter NASCAR or Formula Racing. So I hardly doubt many of us here are porn star material. But we wish.

I may lie to the girl, but I still treat them with the utmost respect (other than the lying).

*If you respected them you would not play with their feelings and lie to them. That is lack of respect. I know many guys and girls that have both been devastated by these games. I can not respect anyone that has to stoop so low as to be twice someone's age and play with someone's feelings. Those scars last a lifetime. Plus, one lie always leads to another and another.

When the girl comes back to your hotel room that fast she kinda knows the score.

*Very true.

If you are amazing at sex and make the girl cum like a river, they at that point, don't believe it is possible for her to be your long term girlfriend or wife. You are giving her a lifetime memory of a great sexual experience, she is better off for it.

*If you were that good you would not have to leave your country. Word would get out about your ability to gush rivers for them and they would pass you from friend to friend. It is about getting married and / or money. Go try your same techniques with a Filipino that now lives another country and they will not give you the time of day. Any guy with money will have more girls than some hot hunk in each and every country including mine and yours.

Bottom line they are not angry after this, and they are happy to have known you.

*You are more than amazing plus infinity to believe this.

I have been in Asia for quite sometime, the girls need to be lied to even slightly forced sometimes to protect their dignity and reputation. Some Asian countries will not investigate [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] charges of any girl who voluntarily goes home with a man after midnight. It is all just BS and after you get your finger or your penis into her a little bit she is totally on board.

Anyway, it boils down to how you think about sex. Do you believe girls need sex too? Do you believe girls like sex? I only go out with girls under 23. Most girls at this age want to have some good experiences before they get married.

Sometimes, while I am removing a girls clothes I tell her nothing is happening. I say "We are not going to have sex. " "I am only removing all of your clothes to make you more comfortable. " I have heard them say a thousand times as I slip my cock in the girl. "Hey, you said we were not going to have sex. "

All players lie, and all girls know players lie. Don't hate the player hate the game.

The Philippines is a dangerous place to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off a girl and you should make sure the girls want to have sex or at least make it enjoyable for them. I perform cunnilingus on all girls even when they "say" they don't want it.

I would prefer to get the girls from a bar or a brothel, but not if the quality and service is lacking. So, I am forced to get them from other locations.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1844590]I underpay and have a big dick. What is their reasoning for coming with me?[/QUOTE]Because their whole family needs money desperately.

They don't know the actual size of your dick until after they have gone with you and they don't know how much money they will eventually extract from you until after the fact. In Angeles the eventual payment is not explicitly spelled out upfront.

Unless you are a young guy and banging young pinays or an older guy taking mommas, or an old man seducing their lolas, we all pay for it in the Phils. How much is up to us.

To read some of the posts and what some believe on mongers boards leaves me speech less at times.

Here are some thoughts.

The prostitute could not care one way or the other is she comes, she is there 100% for the money, she is not the slightest bit attracted to much older mostly fat men, take away the money and that prostitute would not even say Hello, let alone fuck us, most girls have young good looking pinoy boyfriends / husbands that give them all the pleasure they want, all that deep moaning and honey your so big and honey your so good in bed is bullshit to extract more pesos from us.

As far as Koreans, I do a lot of business with Koreans, sometimes have to entertain them on barhops so probably know a little, Koreans like to drink, like to be around girls in bars, like to show off both to the girls and their pals / work friends, it gives them status they think, its not a matter of how much they earn its a matter of they are some times willing to spend large to gain status.

Ever wondered why in most large Angeles gogos one sees 4-5 Koreans with a table full of girls and drinks, as has been said its on business expense accounts, very cool to spend big, very uncool to leave with a prostitute in front of your bosses / work friends so what is for the Angeles girls not to like, they earn large lady drink commissions, get fed and tipped all without having to leave the bar.

Koreans that are in town on their own money and want to bar fine are again a good bet for the girls, they are normally much younger / slimmer / well dressed than most westerners, willing to accept 1 pop deal and pay high prices for it, what's not to like?

when i walk into an Angeles gogo bar on my own or with western pals the girls do not take any notice,some not even getting up to dance or to make room for us to sit,when i enter a bar with Koreans the girls go absolutely nuts,you would think the girls had won the lottery,

Master Monger,

Asian girls need to be lied to? Need to be slightly forced?

Have to totally disagree, keep up with the lying and the forcing and some girl is going to scream I was raped, then the only one who will be fucked is you.

Please guys / newbies, treat all pinays with respect, do not build their hopes up if you have no intentions, a woman scorned can be a nightmare especially a pinay.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1844913]Master Monger,

Asian girls need to be lied to? Need to be slightly forced?

Have to totally disagree, keep up with the lying and the forcing and some girl is going to scream i was raped, then the only one who will be fucked is you.

Please guys / newbies, treat all pinays with respect, do not build their hopes up if you have no intentions, a woman scorned can be a nightmare especially a pinay.[/QUOTE]I can already see PinayPounder marching with a huge club in his hand!

Humor aside, I have to agree that lying to a working girl is pretty low.

[QUOTE=NapaSlapper;1844913]
Asian girls need to be lied to? Need to be slightly forced?

Have to totally disagree, keep up with the lying and the forcing and some girl is going to scream i was raped, then the only one who will be fucked is you.[/QUOTE]They love the (totally transparent) lying, and all girls, Asian or otherwise love a little bit of force. "It just happened".

The girl who screams rrape is not the girl who was raped, but the girl who regrets sleeping with you. Not that I have ever raped anyone, but on the other hand, except for working girls, never have I received consent in a form that would make a college feminist happy.

Just spent ten minutes writing a reply, which agreed with these sentences. It suddenly disapeared. I'm too lazy to try again, but just want to say that we all attach different meanings to the words.There iis a lot of different interpretation regarding words like "lie" and "force". The original poster could have chosen his words more carefully, after all we don't want some newbie getting the wrong idea.

[QUOTE=RedDogger;1845514]They love the (totally transparent) lying, and all girls, Asian or otherwise love a little bit of force. "It just happened".

The girl who screams rrape is not the girl who was raped, but the girl who regrets sleeping with you. Not that I have ever raped anyone, but on the other hand, except for working girls, never have I received consent in a form that would make a college feminist happy.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;1845098]I can already see PinayPounder marching with a huge club in his hand!

Humor aside, I have to agree that lying to a working girl is pretty low.[/QUOTE]And what could possibly be the point? He better hope that the girls on whom he uses a little force don't happen to report abuse to the nearest cop.

GE.

[QUOTE=GoodEnough;1845573]And what could possibly be the point? He better hope that the girls on whom he uses a little force don't happen to report abuse to the nearest cop.

GE.[/QUOTE]GE the reference I made to PP was in good humor. PP has often stood out in defense of these wonderful women who get tricked, cheated and lied to by insincere men. And he has made it pretty clear in his posts that he will leave no stone unturned in bringing the perpetrator to justice in his own way. I do hope he reads these posts.

Let me make my stand clear, lest I give the wrong impression. I am NOT in favor of lying to these girls or any girl for the matter. Use of force in any manner, physical or emotional is completely wrong in my books and I will not stand for it. These women entertain us only for money. And they do it because they need the money so badly. The least we can do is treat them with some dignity.

I followed the discussions about the current situation in Angeles City now for a few month. My impression is that the situation for mongers from the western hemisphere had changed to the worse during the years. I have been in Angeles two times and it was indeed not very satisfying. The location is still called a hot spot for pay sex in the world. Maybe it is a hot spot for men from other Asian countries like Korea or Japan. But it seems this appreciating label is no longer true for western men. Is this really true? I ask because I was not happy with my experiences but I still like to give the Philippines another chance. Why? Because the girls are beautiful, it's still not expensive and the clubs and bars have a kind of atmosphere I don't know where to find in the world somewhere else.

So here is my question. Can you give me 10 good reasons why to travel to Angeles despite the changes of the last years? Why is it still a hot spot and a good place to have fun? Here are my personal answers:

1. Because the weather is better then in middle Europe.

2. Because the girls have a sexy tiny figure I like.

3. Because most of the people still have a smile on her face.

4. Because in the Philippines you have the chance to find a girl who is in the job not because of money but the hope to find her love.

5. Because even as an old grey man you can feel for a few hours like you belong to the scene.

6. Because of the sexy atmosphere in the bars where nobody is judged because of his desperately looking at young girls.

Okay, I can only find 6. But I am not alone, right?

So maybe you like to give me more reasons to come back. Or. If not. Mention a really good alternative.

Thanks.

No matter what you say some guys always want to judge you and tell you that you are not right. Quite frankly I have probably forgotten more about women than the guys who criticize me actually know about women.

What kind of lies do you think I am telling? Lie #1 I am in the Philippines looking for a wife. (I am not married and I am in my 30's so it could happen. Although I usually lie about my age too). Lie #2 I really really like you baby. (I like her enough to sleep with her so.). Lie #3 let's go watch a movie. (I just don't tell her it will be on my 60" TV back at my hotel. More of an omission.) Lie #4 baby it is OK we won't have sex (only if she resists coming to my hotel room) if she still resists I take her to a movie at SM (I am a good guy.) After I kiss a girl I rarely lie, when they say "you are a playboy. "I say, "why would you think that?" Goes back to the practice makes perfect thing. When they say "why are you with me?" I say, "Because you are so special and I really like you. "After we have we have sex I never lie to a girl. They say, "How many girls have you made love to?" I say, "More than 3000."

I said slightly force which means, in America No means NO but in Asia No means NO only if you can't make the girl smile within seconds of the forceful action. For Example: the girl comes to your door but doesn't want to enter your room. She got you 99% of the way, and if she came that far she just wants you to pull her in so she can justify she wasn't a ****. Again smiling is the key, I keep pushing till I pass a point and then do the smile test. For example: you are rubbing on the girl in your hotel and she is pushing you away. I unhook her bra clasp and then evaluate her. Make sure she is in fact happy. Next step is lifting the shirt to lick the nipples. Sometimes they resist this more than the underwear coming off because they know how wet a good nipple sucking will make them at which point you can use the argument that "you" want to wait to have sex with her but her body obviously wants it so bad so let's just do it. After the nipple sucking I let the girl pull down her shirt and hold her in the cuddling position for another evaluation. While cuddling I massage her back and in long strokes get closer to the ass and finally I cup it. They usually try to pull your hand away, you could stop but again you are 90% of the way with the girl and once you can pull apart one of those ass cheeks that nipple sucking wetness will drip onto the clitoris and then you just have to remove her other clothes, evaluate and cuddle again naked, then make her shower! That is what I mean by slightly forcing.

If you get a fatal attraction girl just play on her pet peeves and make her not like you. For example: she does or doesn't like Public Displays of affection, do the opposite. Show her a drinking problem or annoy her in some other way. She will always remember you as the great lover who just wasn't compatible with her. I don't like to break up or end it with any girl, I always make it their choice.

Some of you justify your actions by paying money, which I do 75% of time, but another way is to trade an equally satisfying sexual experience.

NapaSlapper, Girls don't care about orgasms. More than once I fished a bargirl in AC after hours and they wouldn't except money from me after the experience or they just shoved it in their purse and didn't care how much it was. If you or any other guys need to learn how to give girls orgasms you can PM me. I sell great vibrators and sex bouncing chairs that make any guy a super lover. Also you said. Young, good-looking, Pinoy boyfriends or husbands that give them all the pleasure they want. That is like 20% of all the pinoys in the Philippines and half of them are homosexual.

Lie or don't lie, I don't care, just stop overpaying. Or make the girl stay long time, or at least get a back to back. If you don't, it will just keep getting worse.

Good luck and happy mongering.

[QUOTE=Shrek5;1845635]So here is my question. Can you give me 10 good reasons why to travel to Angeles despite the changes of the last years? Why is it still a hot spot and a good place to have fun? Here are my personal answers:

1. Because the weather is better then in middle Europe.

2. Because the girls have a sexy tiny figure I like.

3. Because most of the people still have a smile on her face.

4. Because in the Philippines you have the chance to find a girl who is in the job not because of money but the hope to find her love.

5. Because even as an old grey man you can feel for a few hours like you belong to the scene.

6. Because of the sexy atmosphere in the bars where nobody is judged because of his desperately looking at young girls.

Okay, I can only find 6. But I am not alone, right?

So maybe you like to give me more reasons to come back. Or. If not. Mention a really good alternative. Thanks.[/QUOTE]I might have disagreed with number four, except that you wisely qualified it with "a chance to find." I am sure there are more than ten, but in the interest of getting at least to ten, here are four more:

7. Because, unlike almost anywhere else in the world, many if not most of these girls are not clock-watchers.

8. Because here you can be part of a match between two well-intended but unfulfilled adults: one a poor young woman who needs money, the other a man with a strong need to experience physical passion and, however briefly, emotional attachment to an attractive young woman.

9. Because most of these girls speak enough English to get by with some minimal communication in the world's default Lingua Franca.

10. Because, unlike almost anywhere else in the world, GFE really does happen here; despite the occasional hardened mercenary or runner, and in a schizophrenic country teeming with filth, violence, corruption, and poverty, some of these women are just the sweetest, most loving young women anywhere.

I have never had reason to go elsewhere in Southeast Asia, and based on my ten years of experiences in the Philippines, I may never have reason to try.

Why does a bank robber rob a bank? Because that is where the money is.

Why does a monger go to Angeles? Because that is where the pussy is.

You don't need 10 reasons; only 1.