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[QUOTE=Lefeu;1815659]Aah, the voice of reason, simple, logical, and very Cartesian. Voila! Thanks for the wisdom, Mr Ricker.
Mind boggling how folks insist on telling other people how to enjoy the hobby.[/QUOTE]Right on brotha!
Great Trip report!
Thanks.
[QUOTE=Dellorto;1815826]Motel Ibiza sounds like a nice alternative if I can't or don't want to take the girls back to my place. Is there a FB group of website where I can find the FB girls you're referring to? Or is are they girls you collected throughout your mongering trips?
Thanks for the report.[/QUOTE]I totally agree. I had wondered what I would do if I was in MDE and had to stay in a regular tourist hotel, with limited guest options. This option is worth considering when you are in a hotel, but still want to go out and party. Take your girl to the Love Motel, early evening. Have a few drinks and some adult fun. Then hit the town until the wee morning hours. Go your seperate ways. I have found it good to "Hit-It" before going out because I am too drunk to do it before sending her home. LOL.
[QUOTE=Dellorto;1815826] Is there a FB group or website where I can find the FB girls you're referring to? Or are they girls you collected throughout your mongering trips?
Thanks for the report.[/QUOTE]I created a FB account with a pic but little personal info about me. Then just searched for girls in Medellin and found a few obvious prepagos. Then searched their friends and found more. Takes a bit of work but not that hard to do.
Now I have several dozen, but don't know which are any good. I put up a message that I'll be arriving in MDE 1/1 and they have started contacting me. I'll be there a little over a week splitting my time between Jake's and the Mansion. Will report back shortly there after. In the mean time if any SM has a FB girl they'd like to recommend, please PM me.
[QUOTE=CJackSparrow;1815829]I have been around since 1999.1 time I had a serious girl that I could talk to, without any fees for this and that..[/QUOTE]You are not used to talk to them with the same style you write, aren't you?
Only 27 years old, not sure what happened this time.
[URL]http://colombiareports.com/american-citizen-found-dead-in-medellin-apartment/[/URL]
And this article with pics of building from minuto30, check out the comments:
http://www.minuto30.com/fotos-en-avanzado-estado-de-descomposicion-fue-encontrado-el-cadaver-de-un-ciudadano-estadounidense-en-hotel-de-el-poblado/418751/
[QUOTE=JamesDandy;1816354]And this article with pics of building from minuto30, check out the comments:[/QUOTE]Among all comments, this is one is particularly painful:
[I]Los extranjeros que vienen a putiar y consumir drogas "baratas" se han vuelto una plaga para los habitantes de los edificios cerca a las diferentes zonas de rumba de Medelln. (...) El control que si debe ejercer la polica, (...) llevar un control riguroso y evitar estas tragedias para los vecinos. El extrajero sabe a que viene y aque se expone, pero los vecinos que invierten sus ahorros en su apto, le queda totalmente desvalorizado!!!! Por no hablar del desfile de "prepagos" en el ascensor y las zonas comunes 24 x 7....[/I]
Que verguenza. This is why upper class hotels never allow guests or do apply high fees. To keep away some types of tourist who are not discreet.
[QUOTE=BlackPage;1816375]Among all comments, this is one is particularly painful:
[I]Los extranjeros que vienen a putiar y consumir drogas "baratas" se han vuelto una plaga para los habitantes de los edificios cerca a las diferentes zonas de rumba de Medelln. (...) El control que si debe ejercer la polica, (...) llevar un control riguroso y evitar estas tragedias para los vecinos. El extrajero sabe a que viene y aque se expone, pero los vecinos que invierten sus ahorros en su apto, le queda totalmente desvalorizado!!!! Por no hablar del desfile de "prepagos" en el ascensor y las zonas comunes 24 x 7....[/I]
Que verguenza. This is why upper class hotels never allow guests or do apply high fees. To keep away some types of tourist who are not discreet.[/QUOTE]There has been a "Say no to Sex Tourism" movement and it keeps growing. After living there for 5 months now I see more and more of it. You can see how the locals look at the ones that come down there for short vacations have no discretion. As for devalue, there is the other side of the coin, the gringos are more able to rent out these apartments at a premium so these guys are not losing any money at all, in fact the I can see the money pouring into Medellin each day. I see more mercedes and bmw's. Driving by the local dealers you can see the dealers expanding their lots for the growth in demand. The key thing here is that the gringo's that come down have no and do not apply discretion at all. Colombians really excercise this but you need to have the girls come over in flats and not wearing anything that flags them as prepagos. They can tell just by looking and seeing how these girls act. Sad news to hear and I hope they find out the cause. Another thing to point out is that this is a very affluent area and soon the locals will not tolerate much more. Park Lleras is a streetwalking scene where last year you only saw a handful. The affluent will want some type of policing soon maybe by harassing the girls or some kind. It will happen, just a matter of time.
[QUOTE=BlackPage;1816375]Among all comments, this is one is particularly painful:
[I]Los extranjeros que vienen a putiar y consumir drogas "baratas" se han vuelto una plaga para los habitantes de los edificios cerca a las diferentes zonas de rumba de Medelln. (...) El control que si debe ejercer la polica, (...) llevar un control riguroso y evitar estas tragedias para los vecinos. El extrajero sabe a que viene y aque se expone, pero los vecinos que invierten sus ahorros en su apto, le queda totalmente desvalorizado!!!! Por no hablar del desfile de "prepagos" en el ascensor y las zonas comunes 24 x 7....[/I]
Que verguenza. This is why upper class hotels never allow guests or do apply high fees. To keep away some types of tourist who are not discreet.[/QUOTE]After talking with a lot of Colombians one thing I agree they have a big problem with classism. The elite Colombians don't want to be around Colombians that belongs to a lower estrato. If they somehow stay close they don't have a feeling of being better than the rest (elite) , that is probably one of the other reason upper class hotels charge more for guest, because I do know hotels in Medellin where high end putas visit all the time especially the gym.
I have talked to a gringo who told me his hotel neighbors girlfriend asked him why bring this low class ho to a hotel, here in Colombia we don't go to estrato 3 so don't bring them in ours. This gringo replied: Your country is lower estrato, I got more money than you and you are a piece of shit and slammed the door in her face.
For those who've been around and know Medellin-how long has it been since the last publicized social cleansing took place? Do you think the sex tourists who publically flaunt their prostitutes will eventually become somewhat of a target, or just their prostitutes?
[QUOTE=BlackPage;1816375]Que verguenza. This is why upper class hotels never allow guests or do apply high fees. To keep away some types of tourist who are not discreet.[/QUOTE]No it is okay. Prostitution is legal and it is their culture. Also it is nobody else's business anyway. And besides that, the neighbors can't tell the girl is a hooker.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1816461]No it is okay. Prostitution is legal and it is their culture. Also it is nobody else's business anyway. And besides that, the neighbors can't tell the girl is a hooker.[/QUOTE]I am not speaking about what is illegal, but about what is elegant and what is perceived as trashy.
Prostitution is legal, but upper class families do not like to have silicon dolls coming and going on the elevator of their condo. It's quite understandable. The quote in my previous post is not surprising.
Prostitution is widespread, but it does not mean that catholic families accept such coming and going in their austere neighborhood.
"Prostitution is their culture"?? I wish to report this claim to the catholic family fathers I frequent in MDE (for work), and see how they would react.
Discretion should be a must, but those who would most need this reminder are not receptive, so to speak.
[QUOTE=BlackPage;1816375]Among all comments, this is one is particularly painful:
[I]Los extranjeros que vienen a putiar y consumir drogas "baratas" se han vuelto una plaga para los habitantes de los edificios cerca a las diferentes zonas de rumba de Medelln. (...) El control que si debe ejercer la polica, (...) llevar un control riguroso y evitar estas tragedias para los vecinos. El extrajero sabe a que viene y aque se expone, pero los vecinos que invierten sus ahorros en su apto, le queda totalmente desvalorizado!!!! Por no hablar del desfile de "prepagos" en el ascensor y las zonas comunes 24 x 7....[/I]
Que verguenza. This is why upper class hotels never allow guests or do apply high fees. To keep away some types of tourist who are not discreet.[/QUOTE]Word. This is also why almost every apartment building has disallowed short term rentals under 1 month. It is also why I made earlier comments about people kidding themselves if they believe they are blending in. Respect of the culture you are in is always paramount but unfortunately many foreigners don't get it and refuse to learn enough to understand why many Colombians have limited patience with gringo tourists. I have been unfortunate enough to have ridden an elevator up to the now defunct "penthouse" some 13 years ago with two girls and a very unhappy Colombian family. It was uncomfortable to say the least.
[QUOTE=TimeToPlay;1816469]Word. This is also why almost every apartment building has disallowed short term rentals under 1 month. It is also why I made earlier comments about people kidding themselves if they believe they are blending in. Respect of the culture you are in is always paramount but unfortunately many foreigners don't get it and refuse to learn enough to understand why many Colombians have limited patience with gringo tourists. I have been unfortunate enough to have ridden an elevator up to the now defunct "penthouse" some 13 years ago with two girls and a very unhappy Colombian family. It was uncomfortable to say the least.[/QUOTE]Yup. While prostitution is legal (and widely-practiced) in Colombia, the Colombians do it discreetly. As you point out, bringing Strata 1 putas to a Strata 6 apartment building generally brings the kind of attention we don't want. The upper-class residents in Poblado are rightly upset about many mongers' antics and (like it or not) they have the political pull to do something about it. Always best to keep a low profile wherever we pursue this hobby.
Yes they can. Just gringos can't tell that neighbors can and do recognize the hooker and her papi gringo.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1816461]And besides that, the neighbors can't tell the girl is a hooker.[/QUOTE].
It has been discussed at great length in many forums the need for people to respect the places they go visit. Most people do. They follow the customs and traditions of the locale they are visiting. However; due to the fact that our standard of living is superior in many ways to our hosts, many folk are blinded to the culture due to the fact that they have more money than their hosts. If they only knew how cheaply they can have one of us erased from the land of the living? Even under the best of circumstances it is hard to explain to a knucklehead that respect needs to be demonstrated wherever you go, especially if not in your home turf. Your hosts can be offended quite easily. Be in that you are bringing the wrong girl to the right club, restaurant, social scene, etc. I've heard some of the conversations they have about us and it is not something the Colombia Chamber of Commerce will like you to hear. We are rude beyond their understanding. Only bad things will eventually happen if we continue to be naïve to the fact that, we have money, we can do what we want and they are powerless to do something about it. Be careful out there and above al else, if we are going to have a good time, be DISCREET for Heavens sake. If you are not sure about the norms, ask someone that's been out there.
[QUOTE=Combo;1816501]Yup. While prostitution is legal (and widely-practiced) in Colombia, the Colombians do it discreetly. As you point out, bringing Strata 1 putas to a Strata 6 apartment building generally brings the kind of attention we don't want. The upper-class residents in Poblado are rightly upset about many mongers' antics and (like it or not) they have the political pull to do something about it. Always best to keep a low profile wherever we pursue this hobby.[/QUOTE]