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[QUOTE=Voyajer1;1816531]It has been discussed at great length in many forums the need for people to respect the places they go visit. Most people do. They follow the customs and traditions of the locale they are visiting. However; due to the fact that our standard of living is superior in many ways to our hosts, many folk are blinded to the culture due to the fact that they have more money than their hosts. If they only knew how cheaply they can have one of us erased from the land of the living? Even under the best of circumstances it is hard to explain to a knucklehead that respect needs to be demonstrated wherever you go, especially if not in your home turf. Your hosts can be offended quite easily. Be in that you are bringing the wrong girl to the right club, restaurant, social scene, etc. I've heard some of the conversations they have about us and it is not something the Colombia Chamber of Commerce will like you to hear. We are rude beyond their understanding. Only bad things will eventually happen if we continue to be nave to the fact that, we have money, we can do what we want and they are powerless to do something about it. Be careful out there and above al else, if we are going to have a good time, be DISCREET for Heavens sake. If you are not sure about the norms, ask someone that's been out there.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Voyajer1;1816531]It has been discussed at great length in many forums the need for people to respect the places they go visit. Most people do. They follow the customs and traditions of the locale they are visiting. However; due to the fact that our standard of living is superior in many ways to our hosts, many folk are blinded to the culture due to the fact that they have more money than their hosts. If they only knew how cheaply they can have one of us erased from the land of the living? Even under the best of circumstances it is hard to explain to a knucklehead that respect needs to be demonstrated wherever you go, especially if not in your home turf. Your hosts can be offended quite easily. Be in that you are bringing the wrong girl to the right club, restaurant, social scene, etc. I've heard some of the conversations they have about us and it is not something the Colombia Chamber of Commerce will like you to hear. We are rude beyond their understanding. Only bad things will eventually happen if we continue to be nave to the fact that, we have money, we can do what we want and they are powerless to do something about it. Be careful out there and above al else, if we are going to have a good time, be DISCREET for Heavens sake. If you are not sure about the norms, ask someone that's been out there.[/QUOTE]+1 to this post. Colombians from strata 1&2 are super polite people, think old time southerners. When they encounter the average gringo, it is offensive how we don't conduct ourselves with the typical politeness and formalities. Add putas and drunken parties to their buildings and you have a recipe for disaster. The post quoted below tells their real feelings, and you see similar posts under every gringo news story hat hits Medellin.

[QUOTE=MrEnternational;1816461]No it is okay. Prostitution is legal and it is their culture. Also it is nobody else's business anyway. And besides that, the neighbors can't tell the girl is a hooker.[/QUOTE]Mr Enternational is right. Unless of course guys really are bringing strata 1 putas into strata 6 buildings. I thought those guys stayed in el centro to be close to the source.

But there is such a thing as situational awareness and often times the girl doesn't have to look like anything in particular. 9 times out of ten it is the gringo who looks like a monger that gives her away.

I have never seen a Colombian that lived in a nice building ever bring a short time girl to his personal living space. Colombians that have prepago girlfriends that they bring to their apartments are long term and stay TLN.

I shared a penthouse with another gringo that lives in Medellin full time and the only rule had was that I didn't bring more than 3 different girls into the apartment in any given week. Very easy for me because I stick with the same three women for months not weeks. Every now and then I lose one or switch one out.

Once again, I have to say use the love motels. This is the second best feature of Colombia. You definitely don't want to bring a steady stream of girls to your apartment, LOL. It's not safe either; sooner or later, you're going to get robbed by a chica.

My advice would be to split around 50/50 the girls you bring to your place and the ones you take to a motel.

As for the "catholic family fathers" I suspect many of them have fond memories of their mongering heyday, LOL, but yeah, discretion is key, although it seems Americans in particular just don't do discretion very well, too much cowboy in the genes I guess.

[QUOTE=JamesDandy;1816354]Only 27 years old, not sure what happened this time.

[URL]http://colombiareports.com/american-citizen-found-dead-in-medellin-apartment/[/URL]


And this article with pics of building from minuto30, check out the comments:

http://www.minuto30.com/fotos-en-avanzado-estado-de-descomposicion-fue-encontrado-el-cadaver-de-un-ciudadano-estadounidense-en-hotel-de-el-poblado/418751/[/QUOTE]One of the latest comments on from the first source,"According to local police he overdosed. No signs of violence in his apartment. Now on forensic exams". This was 2 hrs ago.

Who knows what he was in MDE for, but comments on a couple other forums suggest narco biz, guessing because of his age, and because his brother went to MDE looking for him after no communication in 3 days. ? It's also entirely possible that it had nothing with either.

[QUOTE=MrAdventure;1816663]One of the latest comments on from the first source,"According to local police he overdosed. No signs of violence in his appartment. Now on forensic exams". This was 2 hrs ago.

Who knows what he was in MDE for, but comments on a couple other forums suggest narco biz, guessing because of his age, and because his brother went to MDE looking for him after no communication in 3 days. ? It's also entirely possible that it had nothing with either.[/QUOTE]But who overdosed him is the question? Did he do it himself, which is less likely on a Friday party night before the holidays that he was alone in his apartment, or did a guest of his put too much of the various knockout drugs used here into his drink? Whether or not he was involved in narco-trafficking has little to do with dying of drug use, users and sellers are two different breeds more often than not.

[QUOTE=MrAdventure;1816663]One of the latest comments on from the first source,"According to local police he overdosed. No signs of violence in his appartment. Now on forensic exams". This was 2 hrs ago.

Who knows what he was in MDE for, but comments on a couple other forums suggest narco biz, guessing because of his age, and because his brother went to MDE looking for him after no communication in 3 days. ? It's also entirely possible that it had nothing with either.[/QUOTE]As I mentioned several weeks back two full time guys here got drugged and ripped off by a real smooth operator so you never know. Found out another almost full time guy tried to make a big score transporting from here to Australia back in September time frame. Didn't work out so well got 5 to 8 years! Lots of tours going forward and the new motorcycle is a lot of fun! New pics on the website of some places to go to get wet and fly!

Thanks,

Colombia Jake

[QUOTE=JamesDandy;1816751]But who overdosed him is the question? Did he do it himself, which is less likely on a Friday party night before the holidays that he was alone in his apartment, or did a guest of his put too much of the various knockout drugs used here into his drink? Whether or not he was involved in narco-trafficking has little to do with dying of drug use, users and sellers are two different breeds more often than not.[/QUOTE]Yes, that is the question. I noticed, while surfing other non-monger forums, that almost on a weekly basis there is a report of someone being the victim of a knockout drug. Saw one report of a Mexican near Parque Llerjas 2 weeks ago. Make me think that for a person with limited experience like myself, probably shouldn't be messing w / indys unless they have been vetted.

I don't plan to ever try it but I have found that a person using is 42 times likely to have a heart attack. Something makes me think he could have been a casual or first time user with a health condition, and that no foul play was involved. Guess we'll just have to see what the cops come up with.

This apt building that was referred to as the "gringo house", it that a place that is well known us?

That apartment building is called the "Edificio Gauss". It is located the the corner of Carrara 38 and Calle 11 be. A few weeks ago, I was shown an apartment in that building. I found it on AirBnB and I looked at it as a possible place to stay on a future trip. I did not get the impression that many gringos rent there.

Look it up on Google maps. Use the street view and you can see what the front looks like. Then compare it to the pics in the news report: [URL]http://www.minuto30.com/fotos-en-avanzado-estado-de-descomposicion-fue-encontrado-el-cadaver-de-un-ciudadano-estadounidense-en-hotel-de-el-poblado/418751/[/URL].

I have never been to Medellin before and I am seriously considering going in February. I am not a cheap hotel guy (nothing against anyone who is--more power to you) . I like a little more comfort. Can anyone recommend a nice hotel that is guest friendly in Medellin?

Happy to swap my stories throughout Asia, Brazil, Costa Rica, etc.

Thanks.

[QUOTE=JuiceGuy;1816959]I have never been to Medellin before and I am seriously considering going in February. I am not a cheap hotel guy (nothing against anyone who is--more power to you) . I like a little more comfort. Can anyone recommend a nice hotel that is guest friendly in Medellin?

Happy to swap my stories throughout Asia, Brazil, Costa Rica, etc.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]Check this Hotel, is not in the cliche Poblado but its a few steps from the train station that will take you right downtown in 2 minutes or el Poblado in 14 minutes whilst enjoying a European nice place, I have NO affiliation with them just a regular guest.

[URL]www.61prado.com[/URL]

[QUOTE=Voyajer1;1816531]It has been discussed at great length in many forums the need for people to respect the places they go visit. Most people do. They follow the customs and traditions of the locale they are visiting. However; due to the fact that our standard of living is superior in many ways to our hosts, many folk are blinded to the culture due to the fact that they have more money than their hosts. If they only knew how cheaply they can have one of us erased from the land of the living? Even under the best of circumstances it is hard to explain to a knucklehead that respect needs to be demonstrated wherever you go, especially if not in your home turf. Your hosts can be offended quite easily. Be in that you are bringing the wrong girl to the right club, restaurant, social scene, etc. I've heard some of the conversations they have about us and it is not something the Colombia Chamber of Commerce will like you to hear. We are rude beyond their understanding. Only bad things will eventually happen if we continue to be nave to the fact that, we have money, we can do what we want and they are powerless to do something about it. Be careful out there and above al else, if we are going to have a good time, be DISCREET for Heavens sake. If you are not sure about the norms, ask someone that's been out there.[/QUOTE]I am a Colombian estrato 3 honest guy and I learned English by myself. You are very smart, thanks for your understanding of the culture here. If anybody wants to hang out with a clean strato 3 mechanic just advice, I can take you to some real local putas places LOL.

Merry Christmas dear gringos.

[QUOTE=JuiceGuy;1816959]I have never been to Medellin before and I am seriously considering going in February. I am not a cheap hotel guy (nothing against anyone who is--more power to you) . I like a little more comfort. Can anyone recommend a nice hotel that is guest friendly in Medellin?

Happy to swap my stories throughout Asia, Brazil, Costa Rica, etc.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]If I am not mistaken Art Hotel is. But I guess all hotel are chica friendly some only charge you for extra guest. If your guest can sneak in without they knowing she is staying free.

[QUOTE=Combo;1816501]Yup. While prostitution is legal (and widely-practiced) in Colombia, the Colombians do it discreetly. As you point out, bringing Strata 1 putas to a Strata 6 apartment building generally brings the kind of attention we don't want. The upper-class residents in Poblado are rightly upset about many mongers' antics and (like it or not) they have the political pull to do something about it. Always best to keep a low profile wherever we pursue this hobby.[/QUOTE]To me this whole topic makes me wonder why people even travel to Colombia, in the first place. If the only acceptable option is to stay indoors with your amiga, and to rent a room at a Love Motel when you want something more, why bother going to Colombia? By the time you add up the costs of airfare, transportation, apt or hotel rental, love motel costs, chica costs, etc, you could have just stayed home and had several escorts delivered to your place and slept in your own bed. I think the drying-up of short term apts has more to do with late night parties than it does frequent guests. I have been staying exclusively in apts since 2011 and have actually become friendly with some of the permanent residents in the buildings I frequent. They have told me, on numerous occassions, that it is the wild parties on worknights that they dislike.

I travel to Colombia to experience a place that is NOT like my home. Sounds like a pretty boring vacation to do otherwise. But if our actions of being seen in public are only escalating the citizens to close the borders / opportunities to visitors, then perhaps we should take our tousism dollars elsewhere?

Please do not misunderstand my post. I am as respectful as I can be when I am visiting another country. I am polite, curteous and generous with those I encounter. But I refuse to subscribe to the notion that seems to sugest we should hide ourselves from the local hosts. I have encountered just the opposite if you are a friendly person who is truly interested in Colombians as people. I have experienced this while solo, or with amiga in-tow. I have found it is more about the way you present yourself, than who you are with. If you come off like an "Ugly American", you will be treated like one. If you are friendly and kind, you will be treated with respect. I did however have one occassion, a few years ago, where a local Colombiano suggested I tell my date to dress a bit more respectable, next time we go out for dinner. He was right. I am now more concious of that even though it does not make me look any differently......LOL

[QUOTE=LookingToSwing4;1817175]To me this whole topic makes me wonder why people even travel to Colombia, in the first place. If the only acceptable option is to stay indoors with your amiga, and to rent a room at a Love Motel when you want something more, why bother going to Colombia?

I travel to Colombia to experience a place that is NOT like my home. Sounds like a pretty boring vacation to do otherwise. But if our actions of being seen in public are only escalating the citizens to close the borders / opportunities to visitors, then perhaps we should take our tousism dollars elsewhere?[/QUOTE]What do you mean that you go there to experience a place that is not like your home? Are you saying you go because you can openly hang out with hookers? You are kind of talking in oxymorons. You complain that the locals don't want to see you with hookers and if it wasn't for the fun of dating hookers in public then you would go elsewhere. After that you speak of taking your tourism dollars elsewhere. Well they don't mind your tourist-tourism dollars; it is your sex-tourism and narco-tourism dollars that they are against.

For me, Colombia is a top destination to date regular girls. So that is pretty much what I do. Then for quick fun or if I am hanging with my buddies we do the casas and clubs where you can get service in-house. I have no desire to wine and dine a hooker. I use them for their primary purpose and keep it moving.