American Politics

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;3010611]The idea is to impair and destroy the dictatorship's ability to control the country while at the same time helping the Iranian people overthrow these religious fanatics that have enslaved Persia since 1979. The plan just might work, but even if the Ayatollah can somehow remain in power, he won't have nuclear weapons or ballistic missile launchers. Trump did a great thing![/QUOTE]AH, I know that is not your personal plan, but it is what Cruz and the Israelis were talking about. An overthrow is never going to happen. In the 50's, Iran had a decent functioning Democracy, and the CIA took took that Democracy out and put in the Shah, a dictator. Things were okay for a while, but then the Shah got sick and those in power around him started torturing the citizens. That brought about another revolution and once again, the people of Iran suffered. That is two changes of leadership in the last 75 years and twice things have gotten worse. As bad as the current leadership is, no one there thinks that a 3rd regime change is going to make their lives better.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3010500]I really can't get fired up about the notion that people are dying in significant numbers from contact with latex condoms.[/QUOTE]There are a lot of latex allergies out there but it usually is just bumps on the skin. It is just that disease transmission is pretty low and for me, all things being equal, they are more likely to harm with regards to disease than help. For pregnancy prevention, condoms are fine, and I think the benefits outweigh the risks if they are being used for that. The only STD benefit IMO is if I were the gay male acting as female getting it in the rear, then yeah, I would insist the male gay guy wear a condom.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3010500]Trump's and the entire Repub Party's method of outlawing Sex For Pleasure is not the way to go, imo.[/QUOTE]LOL. By all accounts, Trump loves sex. No, the guy against sex for pleasure is that fucker Fauci again. That fucking liar pushed the notion that you get HIV ithrough regular straight sex and freaked the shit out of the whole straight population, and it worked. The CDC and NIH saw huge increases in funding after he scared the shit out of people. That is what you and the Democratic douches do not get about that fucker Fauci. He lied just as much about HIV as he did about Covid.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3010500]They violate the entire point of engaging in sex with another person and that is the argument against them that responsible adults who don't want to wear them or can't engage in sex with them should be making. Along with pushing for new, better and less pleasure-inhibiting modern methods of birth control and disease prevention.[/QUOTE]Whenever I used the withdrawal method and the woman took plan be right after sex, I never had an issue. It is not a 100% effective but neither are condoms. Most women are receptive to the Depoprovera shot which works for 90 days.

If the guy gives the shot, then he knows that she is covered for 3 months and she cannot be lying about birth control. Most women do well with the shot, it is the most popular form of birth control in the world, but some have terrible bleeding and cramping for a while. Of course, you can buy the shot in Thailand and anyone can go to Mexico and buy them as well. You can also buy it on line and have it sent to your home. It is not that expensive and many women quit having their periods which they like.

Unless a woman had a side effect to plan be in the past, they all were open to taking it.

Blithering Blathering Blunderer Donald J. Trump is already scrambling to fix the blitherjng blathering blunder he just made by starting WW3 with Iran as the only "fix" he could blither, blather and blunder into for his blithering blathering blunder in tearing up Obama's brilliant and effective Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action with Iran, the Iran Nuclear Agreement, by crawling to Xi / China to beg them for help in preventing USA / Worldwide economic catastrophe:

[B]US asks China to stop Iran from closing Strait of Hormuz[/B]

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c056pyv723vo[/URL]

Here's why:

[B]Lesser of two evils: Why China won't mind a closure of the Strait of Hormuz[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2025/06/23/us-war-israel-tehran-china-beijing-blockade-closure-the-strait-of-hormuz.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

[QUOTE]Despite the initial show of support for Iran, Beijings rhetoric has shifted to be more measured.

The Hormuz Straits potential closure may be favorable for Beijing, if it deals a bigger blow to the U.S. and European Union.

Beijing may stand to gain from U.S. direct involvement in the Middle East conflict.[/QUOTE]There are so many dominoes yet to fall to America's great misfortune and in favor of damn near every enemy of America due to this latest Trump blunder, it will likely throw several poor Fux News Anchors into paralysis from twisting themselves into tight little pretzels to come up with bogus reasons that "this is what winning looks like" to the MAGA suckers.

I'm pretty sure that one last RealClearPolitics Consensus of Polls showing Trump with a clear Majority of Disapproval on almost every important issue even on his preventing Immigrants from eating the cats and eating the dogs was the final straw and sign to Trump that he had nothing to lose by going ahead and seeing if this idiocy with Iran will finally accomplish the colossal disaster for America that the Bidenomics he inherited has proven to be too damn strong and solid for him to achieve it the way most other Repubs have over the past Century.

Didn t liar bullshiting Trump claim no war, to be elected? CIA told him no nuclear bomb in Iran, but he preferred to help his other criminal friend Netanyahou who has war business with Gaza, Lebanon and now Iran, when he would be prosecuted in Israel if no war. When Trump chose Musk to save money, he should close CIA when he doesn t trust them who are everywhere. But for sure now, ignorant senile Trump made his citizens now at risk everywhere and even at home where he won t be able to protect them, remember September 2001 from someone USA instructed. Iran won t attack USA, but Trump is even more stupid than our world already knew and Islamism is now behind every American, all over the world. And Netanyahou did same for Jews, even not living in Israel nor USA. 2 crazy putting at big safety risk millions of people now. Trump is just able to make messe in our world, but still war in Ukraine, now war with Iran, so stupid senile ignorant fat guy who dream he is king of the world, when USA are less than 5% .

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3010638]

[B]Lesser of two evils: Why China won't mind a closure of the Strait of Hormuz[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2025/06/23/us-war-israel-tehran-china-beijing-blockade-closure-the-strait-of-hormuz.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

There are so many dominoes yet to fall to America's great misfortune and in favor of damn near every enemy of America due to this latest Trump blunder, it will likely throw several poor Fux News Anchors into paralysis from twisting themselves into tight little pretzels to come up with bogus reasons that "this is what winning looks like" to the MAGA suckers.
[/QUOTE]Sorry, Tooms, that is totally wrong. Unlike regular fields, you can bring shale oil fields on line and have them producing in weeks. Those think tank dimwits do not get that the USA right now is #2 in energy exports to only Saudi Arabia. That these dimwits are pairing the USA with Europe versus China shows me how stupid they are.

Every oil company in the world would pile into the USA and want to start drilling shale oil wells with wallets in hand, and the dollar would soar meaning your dollar to Thai hooker ratio would be even better over night. The biggest benefit would be in the oil and gas producing regions of the country AKA red states while the energy consuming blue states would be hit. The other country with decent shale reserves is Argentina, so they would do well too.

Sure, gasoline prices would go up, and that would hit the economy in the short term but long term if Iran shut off the Gulf, it would be a huge, huge boost for the USA, and that is why Iran is not going to do it. For me and Texas in particular, shutting off the Persian Gulf oil would be a gift from heaven.

[QUOTE=SubCmdr;3010623]

In this area you are completely wrong. The Article 3 branch is not political. This is how it was designed. I suggest that you go back and read the Constitution of the United States of America.[/QUOTE]I would suggest he read the Federalist Papers to understand the ideas and concepts that were enshrined in the Constitution. In the 1780's it was about concepts not about politics.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3010554]Somebody in Blue States will sneeze, Trump will declare a Special Blue State or Blue City Emergency, call out and deploy the Marines and ordinary, fully legal American citizens will have every reason to believe they might be rounded up and sent to a prison camp for so much as approaching a polling place.

After Trump outlaws Vote By Mail, of course.[/QUOTE]The Jig is up.

The illegals won't be voting anymore and you can kiss the house and the Senate good bye FOREVER.

And good luck winning the White House.

[URL]https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2025/jun/17/fbi-report-alleges-china-mass-produced-fake-us-drivers-licenses/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.nationalreview.com/news/fbi-ordered-destruction-of-memo-on-attempted-pro-biden-ccp-interference-in-2020-election/[/URL]

[URL]https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/voter-id-elon-musk/2024/11/10/id/1187471/[/URL]

[QUOTE=Sirioja;3010579]Since bullshiting Trump is back, USD is falling, but not the worst yet for Americans.[/QUOTE][URL]https://prasad.dyson.cornell.edu/doc/RT_18July19.pdf[/URL]

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3010638]Blithering Blathering Blunderer Donald J. Trump is already scrambling to fix the blitherjng blathering blunder he just made by starting WW3 with Iran as the only "fix" he could blither, blather and blunder into for his blithering blathering blunder in tearing up Obama's brilliant and effective Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action with Iran, the Iran Nuclear Agreement, by crawling to Xi / China to beg them for help in preventing USA / Worldwide economic catastrophe:

[B]US asks China to stop Iran from closing Strait of Hormuz[/B]

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c056pyv723vo[/URL]

Here's why:

[B]Lesser of two evils: Why China won't mind a closure of the Strait of Hormuz[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2025/06/23/us-war-israel-tehran-china-beijing-blockade-closure-the-strait-of-hormuz.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

There are so many dominoes yet to fall to America's great misfortune and in favor of damn near every enemy of America due to this latest Trump blunder, it will likely throw several poor Fux News Anchors into paralysis from twisting themselves into tight little pretzels to come up with bogus reasons that "this is what winning looks like" to the MAGA suckers.

I'm pretty sure that one last RealClearPolitics Consensus of Polls showing Trump with a clear Majority of Disapproval on almost every important issue even on his preventing Immigrants from eating the cats and eating the dogs was the final straw and sign to Trump that he had nothing to lose by going ahead and seeing if this idiocy with Iran will finally accomplish the colossal disaster for America that the Bidenomics he inherited has proven to be too damn strong and solid for him to achieve it the way most other Repubs have over the past Century.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/23/business/china-upward-mobility-inequality.html[/URL]

WHOMP WHOMP WHOMP.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;3010638]Blithering Blathering Blunderer Donald J. Trump is already scrambling to fix the blitherjng blathering blunder he just made by starting WW3 with Iran as the only "fix" he could blither, blather and blunder into for his blithering blathering blunder in tearing up Obama's brilliant and effective Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action with Iran, the Iran Nuclear Agreement, by crawling to Xi / China to beg them for help in preventing USA / Worldwide economic catastrophe:

[B]US asks China to stop Iran from closing Strait of Hormuz[/B]

[URL]https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c056pyv723vo[/URL]

Here's why:

[B]Lesser of two evils: Why China won't mind a closure of the Strait of Hormuz[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2025/06/23/us-war-israel-tehran-china-beijing-blockade-closure-the-strait-of-hormuz.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

There are so many dominoes yet to fall to America's great misfortune and in favor of damn near every enemy of America due to this latest Trump blunder, it will likely throw several poor Fux News Anchors into paralysis from twisting themselves into tight little pretzels to come up with bogus reasons that "this is what winning looks like" to the MAGA suckers. [/QUOTE]

Yes, the Blithering Blathering Blunderer American Fuhrer, MAGA suckers and his right-wing propaganda media fake news outlet[b]...make it 138![/b] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_wars_involving_the_United_States [/url]

Let's see...In the last 75 years the U.S. has been in about approximately [i][b]20+ military conflicts[/b][/i] (including several major wars). [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States_in_the_20th_century[/url] China less than five (5).

So it'll be interesting to see, what if any actions, are taken by China. After all, the closure of the Strait of Hormuz, other major oil & gas shipping lanes, or other kinds of messy fossil fuel conflicts, only serve to bolster (unfortunately) China's newly minted power, as an electrostate, that is built to withstand, these types of geo-eco-political turmoil. ([b]Note:[/b] The EU and global south should pay attention!)

The U.S., unfortunately, under yet another shit-show Repub administration, the American Fuhrer's 2.0 "drill baby drill" petrostate...perhaps NOT SO MUCH!

So while the QAnon/MAGA/Repub suckers, are still drinking [i][b]the Fuhrer's "KOOL AID",[/b][/i] droning on about nothing and regurgitating the MAGA propaganda:[LIST] about assassination attempts (which committed BTW, by their own registered Repub gunman) or;[/LIST][LIST] the nonsense w/r to 20 million immigrant murders, gangs and criminals running around America,[/LIST]...what I find oh so very interesting, is how this administrative shit-show, will spin this war into some kind of [i][b]ratings boost,[/b][/i] for their MAGA/Repub sagging approval ratings?

I mean, just take that fact that the drunk and paid-off NDA alleged sex offender, Sec. Def. Pete Hegseth and National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard, were frozen out of the Iran attack planning meetings, tells you everything you need to know about the upcoming shit-show they're now "...taking on the road". But who can blame him, as he was forewarned about Hegseth's level of incompetence.
[List][i]"[u]Two of the highest-ranking military Cabinet members have essentially been cut off[/u] as Trump teeters on the edge of joining Israels war on Iran, according to a report from The Washington Post.

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth and Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard, two people who youd expect to be closely involved with the potential wartime situation, [b]have been kicked to the curb[/b] in favor of his tier one advisory group on Iran, ... "[/i][url]https://newrepublic.com/post/197005/trump-iran-plans-hegseth-gabbard[/url][/LIST]
This sidelining, does somewhat reflect the MAGA tensions, between loyalty and competence, in the American Fuhrer's cabinet. As raising concerns about civilian-military relations and ad hoc decision-making mount. [b]With Hegseth marginalized,[/b] key military strategies are instead increasingly shaped by a tight circle of so called confidants, bypassing traditional Pentagon channels.

[i][b]Yes, What could go wrong?[/b][/i] Will Sec. State Marco Rubio, inherit yet another cabinet position, proving that (immigrant) Latinos do indeed, have more jobs and do more work than other Americans? [i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i]

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;3010626] An overthrow is never going to happen. In the 50's, Iran had a decent functioning Democracy, and the CIA took took that Democracy out and put in the Shah, a dictator. Things were okay for a while, but then the Shah got sick and those in power around him started torturing the citizens. That brought about another revolution and once again, the people of Iran suffered. That is two changes of leadership in the last 75 years and twice things have gotten worse. As bad as the current leadership is, no one there thinks that a 3rd regime change is going to make their lives better.[/QUOTE]Hey Elvis, I disagree with your last sentence. I believe the Ayatollah is overall unpopular and the Iranian people, especial those under 30, really want a change.

Right now, the regime has suffered a tremendous loss: many of their top military leaders are dead, the Ayatollah and his cronies are in hiding, their military is destroyed, they will have no nukes, a 40-year military investment / foreign policy wiped out, and their mortal enemies Satan and little Satan have total control over Iranian airspace. And just wait until Trump's economic sanctions start to kick in. It is going to get rough to live in Iran very soon.

Now nobody knows what these 8th century dingbats are going to do next. But what can they do really? Iran has been defeated! Did you notice that none of Iran's proxies stood up for Iran and attacked Israel while the show was going on. Hezbollah, for example, did not fire one missile at Israel while Israel was strategically dismantling Iran's military complex. This suggests that even Hezbollah sees a change is coming to the Middle East and they don't want to die for no reason. The whole region wants the regime gone, peace and prosperity. The majority of the Iranian people want it too. So, I wouldn't bet on the Ayatollah. But you are probably right in that the most likely scenario going forward is some general puts a bullet in the Ayatollah's head ie, an old fashion military coup / dictatorship, but the end of the era of Iran's state sponsored terrorism.

[QUOTE=Spidy;3010709]Yes, the Blithering Blathering Blunderer American Fuhrer, MAGA suckers and his right-wing propaganda media fake news outlet[b]...make it 138![/b] [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_wars_involving_the_United_States [/url]

Let's see...In the last 75 years the U.S. has been in about approximately [i][b]20+ military conflicts[/b][/i] (including several major wars). [url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States_in_the_20th_century[/url] China less than five (5).

So it'll be interesting to see, what if any actions, are taken by China. After all, the closure of the Strait of Hormuz, other major oil & gas shipping lanes, or other kinds of messy fossil fuel conflicts, only serve to bolster (unfortunately) China's newly minted power, as an electrostate, that is built to withstand, these types of geo-eco-political turmoil. ([b]Note:[/b] The EU and global south should pay attention!)

The U.S., unfortunately, under yet another shit-show Repub administration, the American Fuhrer's 2.0 "drill baby drill" petrostate...perhaps NOT SO MUCH!

So while the QAnon/MAGA/Repub suckers, are still drinking [i][b]the Fuhrer's "KOOL AID",[/b][/i] droning on about nothing and regurgitating the MAGA propaganda:[LIST] about assassination attempts (which committed BTW, by their own registered Repub gunman) or;[/LIST][LIST] the nonsense w/r to 20 million immigrant murders, gangs and criminals running around America,[/LIST]...what I find oh so very interesting, is how this administrative shit-show, will spin this war into some kind of [i][b]ratings boost,[/b][/i] for their MAGA/Repub sagging approval ratings?

I mean, just take that fact that the drunk and paid-off NDA alleged sex offender, Sec. Def. Pete Hegseth and National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard, were frozen out of the Iran attack planning meetings, tells you everything you need to know about the upcoming shit-show they're now "...taking on the road". But who can blame him, as he was forewarned about Hegseth's level of incompetence.
[List][i]"[u]Two of the highest-ranking military Cabinet members have essentially been cut off[/u] as Trump teeters on the edge of joining Israels war on Iran, according to a report from The Washington Post.

Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth and Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard, two people who youd expect to be closely involved with the potential wartime situation, [b]have been kicked to the curb[/b] in favor of his tier one advisory group on Iran, ... "[/i][url]https://newrepublic.com/post/197005/trump-iran-plans-hegseth-gabbard[/url][/LIST]
This sidelining, does somewhat reflect the MAGA tensions, between loyalty and competence, in the American Fuhrer's cabinet. As raising concerns about civilian-military relations and ad hoc decision-making mount. [b]With Hegseth marginalized,[/b] key military strategies are instead increasingly shaped by a tight circle of so called confidants, bypassing traditional Pentagon channels.

[i][b]Yes, What could go wrong?[/b][/i] Will Sec. State Marco Rubio, inherit yet another cabinet position, proving that (immigrant) Latinos do indeed, have more jobs and do more work than other Americans? [i][b](...kkkk!)[/b][/i][/QUOTE][URL]https://www.nationalreview.com/2025/06/pete-hegseth-has-already-changed-the-pentagon-for-the-better/[/URL]

WHOMP WHOMP WHOMP.

And the NR was against Bad Ass Pete running the Pentagon!!

Add this to the list of public repudiations by real World Leaders of Trump and his constant lies about everything:

[B]Iran refutes Trump's claims of ceasefire deal, but signals readiness to end hostilities: Live updates.[/B]

[URL]https://www.cnbc.com/2025/06/23/iran-qatar-iraq-attacks-us-israel.html?__source=androidappshare[/URL]

[QUOTE][b]"As of now, there is NO agreement on any ceasefire or cessation of military operations,"[/b] Araghchi said in a social media post on X at 4:16 a.m. local time, adding that if Israel stopped its aggression no later than 4 am Tehran time, we have no intention to continue our response afterwards.

That followed Trumps assertion of an impending ceasefire.

On the assumption that everything works as it should, which it will, I would like to congratulate both Countries, Israel and Iran, on having the Stamina, Courage, and Intelligence to end, what should be called, THE 12 DAY WAR, Trump wrote on Truth Social.[/QUOTE]Remember these?

Trump: I made a trade deal with Xi!

[B]Xi: NO, he didn't.[/B]

Trump: I negotiated a ceasefire between India and Pakistan!

[B]Modi: NO, he didn't.[/B]

Trump: I talked to Newsom!

[B]Newsom: NO, he didn't.[/B]

Trump: Iran called me!

[B]Iran: NO, we didn't.[/B]

Trump: I won the 2020 election! By a lot!

[B]Courts: NO, he didn't.[/B]

So, not only has Iran revealed that Trump did not "negotiate" a damn thing between them and Israel or anyone else at war, but at this writing even Israel has not gone along with Trump's latest in public lies that must by now count more than 40,000 public lies told by Trump just since he descended that escalator 10 years ago.

[QUOTE=Spidy;3010709]The U.S., unfortunately, under yet another shit-show Repub administration, the American Fuhrer's 2.0 "drill baby drill" petrostate...perhaps NOT SO MUCH![/QUOTE]China is rapidly pursuing Nuclear Power.

ARAMCO is adding to their ability to general power using renewables.

The Dis-United States of America is [I]drill baby drill[/I].

[B]I have never wished I had another passport so much in my entire life![/B]

It is hilarious how hard typically pro Repub Mainstream Media are working to spin out a "win" for Trump in him UN-Constitutionally plunging America into the 12 Day War. Er I mean 13 Day War. Er maybe it will be the 14 Day War. Well, whatever it winds up being.

And, naturally, with barely if ever a mention that the only reason a remote risk of Iran attacking anyone with a nuke exists is because Trump tore up the Iran Nuclear Agreement in his first term, never replaced it with anything better and, having shit all over that agreement, set Iran on a fresh new reconsideration that they probably should arm themselves with a nuke sooner or later.

And now with this latest blithering blathering blunder, Trump has definitely lit the fuse on Iran's ambitions to get a nuke, more than a few nukes and get them ready to launch ASAP, likely within the next 5-10 years certainly.

But the most revolting of all the typically pro Repub spin in this matter is the talk about Trump being awarded the Nobel Peace Prize!

Seriously.

For his unprovoked bombing of a sovereign nation.

Now, the Nobel Committee might very well hand him a Prize. As a bribe to get him to just leave them alone or in exchange for something expensive they want the American taxpayer to fund for them. Similar to the reason other countries and entities give Trump a bribe.

The Kennedy Center should have bribed him to leave them the fuck alone with a Tony Award for Best Actor on a Butler, Pennsylvania Stage for the same reason the Nobel Committee might indeed give him an award.

It's just too bad they didn't have a Nobel Blithering Blathering Lying Warmonger Prize to give him back in 2018 for tearing up Obama's brilliant and highly effective Iran Nuclear Agreement and thereby put the World in danger almost as much as his Trump's Pandemic did.

Therefore, if they feel a need to bribe him with a Peace Prize, then combining those two will even the score, they can call it a draw and take take them both back. But at least he could still say he got one.