Bangkok Reports

[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1287405]Wildhawk, I'm more optimistic than the others. If you spent a good time with her last time, she likes you and you like her, so why not go and see her again?

You might have to pay the barfine because that's for the bar. I wouldn't mention money and just see in the morning if she wants it or not.

From my experience it's not unlikely that she will say no as a thank you for helping her before. The odds are much better than 1:1000. If not, just pay her, you will have had a nice night with her anyway, so what's the big deal?[/QUOTE]As a pessimist I may have exaggerated slightly. Chances are reasonable to get some compensation but to get it all back, very slim.

[QUOTE=PinkPearl;1287259]Get it right, funny sir. Giotto is Italian, not Nazi.[/QUOTE]He's a Schnitzel Austrian is what he is! I think Giotto is not his real name, his name is Kurt Wagner.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1287425]He's a Schnitzel Austrian is what he is! I think Giotto is not his real name, his name is Kurt Wagner.[/QUOTE]He might be Swiss. Wilhelm Tell?


Giotto

[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1286607]They are requested by the bar to ask this. You can make your decision quickly and barfine her without buying ladydrinks (that's usually what I do). Or if you want to sit with her for 30 minutes, you buy ladydrinks. There is no way around it. Blaming the girls makes no sense. That's what the bar tells them to do.

And the girl does not have to be forward about being barfined. Most won't, in their mind if they sit with you that means they are open to go. They will wait for you to ask.

If you don't talk about barfine and don't want to buy ladydrinks, why would a girl sit with you? She makes no money. She loses potential customers who can't call her over. She gets in trouble with the mamasan for not getting ladydrinks. And she sits there with a guy whose intentions aren't clear, who might just leave in 30 minutes and she'll have nothing to show for it. These girls aren't there to chitchat for free.[/QUOTE]I'm not expecting her to sit with me for my charm and with, but IMO there is a huge difference between the girl who wants you to keep the tequilla shots flowing and the one who orders something like whiskey / coke and sips it while she sits / talks with you. I know that it is prostitution and all about money but I hate being treated like an outright ATM. Be it a gogo or hostess bar, I've never had a girl sit with me without buying at least one drink. My problem is when they start asking for drinks for their friends or they knock the drink you buy back like it's water and they've been lost in the Sahara for days. At the risk of sounding like a cheap charlie I think that 1-2 drinks for me + 1-2 lady drinks + bar fine + what the girl gets is more than enough money for everyone.

I do appreciate your point about the forwardness. You are absolutely right, I should be more up front about what I want and not wait on the chick to do it. I guess I just have a special appreciation for women coming on to me.

[QUOTE=Bowerboy;1287422]This is so unbelievably cheap. She is a prostitute and she makes her living by sleeping with men for money. Pay her. No matter how much she likes you, given the choice between being paid or not I can assure you she would take the money.[/QUOTE]I tend to agree as she does that for money and for a living. Indeed the guy sent her a good amount of money but pretty much that money is gone. Since there are not paid holidays there, every day she has to put a stack of money in her pursue as that represents her earning. Bar fine has not much to do with earnings. She might discount part of the fee vs. Liking and good time, but would not be fair to ask for her Time with no compensation. It is like asking a taxi driver to drive you around for free in his working time. Might even be your brother but he can't have no earnings.

I had extra time to kill a couple of nights ago and went to Lookie Lookie because a guy I met in Udon recommended it. It was late and on a weeknight when I went, but there were less than 6 girls working and only 2 other customers over the hour I was there.

I did strike up a conversation with and ultimately decided to go home with a woman from Surin. To me she was absolutely beautiful and I enjoyed her company which is very important to me. After about 30 minutes of conversation (yes I bought her a drink and she slowly sipped it) I nutsacked up and asked about the bar fine. Much to my surprise she said it was 1500 before midnight and 1200 after. To put it mildly I was pretty taken aback so I had her repeat the numbers in Thai to make sure there was no confusion. She told me that I could wait for her to get off work, but since I had to leave for the airport around 8 the next morning I really wanted to get things going A. S. A. P.

At the risk of sounding cheap, those rates were way too high for me. She herself admitted that the barfine was high but told me that she would receive 500 from the barfine. As it was close to midnight. 700 bf seemed reasonable because the previous night at Soi Cowboy the range I found was 600-800, I asked if she would go LT for 1500 since she was going to get 500 from the bf. She agreed so I went to the cashier to verify the bf.

The cashier verified that the bf would be 1200 and when I told her it was expensive she said that it was because of the classiness of the ladies, I'm paying for a service not for class but whatever. The cashier also told me all the bars in that area have a similar bf.

Ae turned out to be a star performer in the bedroom and was personable the night of and in the morning before she left (she even asked for permission to leave instead of just saying that she was leaving).

I did notice a lot of signs in Japanese and Korean in the area so maybe the bars cater to those guys and expect higher prices? I've read through a lot of Bangkok posts here but don't recall seeing a bar fine that high, is this common?

[QUOTE=Joe Looking;1287443]I'm not expecting her to sit with me for my charm and with, but IMO there is a huge difference between the girl who wants you to keep the tequilla shots flowing and the one who orders something like whiskey / coke and sips it while she sits / talks with you.[/QUOTE]You may not be her type at all and she wants to knock back a few Tequilas in order to be drunk enough to go to your room. A lot of guys here think they are Casanovas and that the girls will love them and go with the first punter that shows his face. Not quite.

Some girls cope by drinking, some do drugs. They need that to keep fucking the lot of us. We are not a "Grade A" bunch per se.

[QUOTE=Joe Looking;1287450]asked about the bar fine. Much to my surprise she said it was 1500 before midnight and 1200 after. To put it mildly I was pretty taken aback so I had her repeat the numbers in Thai to make sure there was no confusion. She told me that I could wait for her to get off work, but since I had to leave for the airport around 8 the next morning I really wanted to get things going A. S. A. P.[/QUOTE]BF are quite expensive at soi 33 Bars. Ladies put on a dress and all of a sudden, they are "better". It's a matter of perspective.

Cheapos go to the Nana Parking, Gullivers, BG7.

Regulars go to Nana and Cowboy.

Rich Expats go to 33.

Idiots go to Patpong

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1287446]I tend to agree as she does that for money and for a living.[/QUOTE]I am singling no one out in particular, just the most recent poster on my solicitation of advice. Prolly a mistake to ask such a question here.

As if I don't realize she's a hooker. Sheesh. The issue was not about my trying to recoup a donation (a one-off, sheer philanthropy. Fuck, I'd rather give money to a WG than to the United Way so its C. E. O. Can live like a cunting king; yet I am not an idiot sponsor).

I am very poor at communicating. So, let's try again: Has anyone been in this situation (having given money "altruistically", ahem) and gotten better sexual performance / attention afterward, whether a paying situation or not? I certainly expect to be laying out cash, one way or the other, if I see this girl. And two years ago she was fantastic. In bed and beyond. Rephrased: What is the likelihood of the girl having a brain bigger than a squirrel's, and ya think she might remember the generosity?

Secondly, some people take postings here as a personal affront. If you are so offended, shit, don't answer! Easy. Just imagine, asking questions! And since I'm returning the snarkiness, I'll probably not be getting an answer on the coyote bars and thus will have to do a thorough investigation of Soi Cowboy on my own. A terrible chore it will be!

Anyhow, peace, love and understanding. Cheers,

[QUOTE=Wildhawk;1287454](snip)So, let's try again: Has anyone been in this situation (having given money "altruistically", ahem) and gotten better sexual performance / attention afterward, whether a paying situation or not? I certainly expect to be laying out cash, one way or the other, if I see this girl. And two years ago she was fantastic. In bed and beyond. Rephrased: What is the likelihood of the girl having a brain bigger than a squirrel's, and ya think she might remember the generosity? (snip)[/QUOTE]I remember when you asked about the "donation."

I've gone back to bars, reconnected with old BFs, and had excellent repeat performances.

In your case, I think she will remember you. A lot of Thai women have an uncanny ability for this.

If she was good the first time she'll probably be good again. If you want to see her again, go to her bar and see if she's there. If so, have the mamasan call her over, buy her a drink, and see if she remembers you. If she does, then she'll be sweet to you.

If not, either remind her, or not, and then decide whether you want to move on. If she does remember you, as you wrote, I wouldn't expect a "freebie." But, if you treat her right, she will probably do the same for you, as she did the first time.

Don't fret about the cacklers on here. A lot of them get off on peckering their keyboards rather than actual mongering.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1287453]BF are quite expensive at soi 33 Bars. Ladies put on a dress and all of a sudden, they are "better". It's a matter of perspective.

Cheapos go to the Nana Parking, Gullivers, BG7.

Regulars go to Nana and Cowboy.

Rich Expats go to 33.

Idiots go to Patpong[/QUOTE]Froggies go to soi 24. LOL

I remember Frenchy saying he paid a girl tens of thousands to help during the flood, and she wanted to pay him everything back. That was not a pro I think. But in my experience Thais girls (even pros) are very decent if you have connected and helped them. They want to do the right thing.

Anyway unless you need the money I wouldn't ask for it back or try to get a freebie. But just go see her and see what happens, you may be surprised.

[QUOTE=Wildhawk;1287454]Has anyone been in this situation (having given money "altruistically", ahem) and gotten better sexual performance / attention afterward, whether a paying situation or not? I certainly expect to be laying out cash, one way or the other, if I see this girl. And two years ago she was fantastic. In bed and beyond. Rephrased: What is the likelihood … she might remember the generosity?[/QUOTE]It depends on the girl. I guarantee you she remembers your cash gift. How she values that gift in her own mind is another matter. There is only one way to find out; see her again. If you had that good a time with her in the first place, the chances are you will have an even better time with her when you see her again. Reunion sex is great! I have two Go Go girls that I have been seeing since 2010. I have never sent them money, but every time I see them again, after a 10 month absence; the sex is great. Since our last reunion in March, I have been keeping in contact with one of the girls through YM and I look forward to seeing her again in October.

Just walk into her bar unannounced and she how she reacts to you. The odds are much better than 50:50 that she will be very happy to see you and she will show you a real good time. Do not mention the gift. Ask how her family is. Expect to pay her for her services especially if you bar fine her during her working hours. She is a working girl. You were very kind to send her the cash. I am sure it helped her out. If she is a good girl, she will show you just how appreciative she is in and out of bed. If you really like her after your reunion, make dates to see her before or after her shift at the bar. Always give her a tip. Having a bargirl GF or favorite is a good thing as long as you can keep your head straight, not get serious, and not fall in love or become her sponser.

[QUOTE=Joe Looking; 1287450].

The cashier verified that the bf would be 1200 and when I told her it was expensive she said that it was because of the classiness of the ladies, I'm paying for a service not for class but whatever. The cashier also told me all the bars in that area have a similar bf.[/QUOTE]That indeed seems to be the ongoing rate in soi 33. A bit too much according to my opinion and I am not a cheap Charlie. No wonder why the bars (and the Soi) get a bit passed over by the regulars and don't sell too many drinks.

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo;1287481]It depends on the girl. .as long as you can keep your head straight, not get serious, and not fall in love or become her sponser.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the words, guys, much more constructive information than probably deserved after me gittin' all bristly and all. I am inclined to give it a try and will report back. Of course, whether that information is constructive. Depends on the girl, of course. And of course Wildhawk knows the score and will not fall for a WG or become a "sponsor." And talk about stoopid sex, did anyone see that report on that fucking Bo Xilai, ex-Chongching boss deadmeat asswipe in China, paying Zhang Ziyi, the marginally untalented Chinese actress, a million pounds per fuck. What a cyunt. Obviously didn't R. T. F. F. On pricing.
(Now, Gong Li, in her prime ... I'd a saved up my nickels for a piece of that!)