Jakarta

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2946163]\

I am not fond of Gabacho. He thinks Lokasari is like Centro in Medellin. I know both well. I am breaking his vision of Lokasari because it is better he lower his expectations now than when he gets here. He was planning his hotel stay around his play time in Lokasari. I am actually helping him. Tough love. ExpatAmerican just further backed what BB, I, and others have posted about the FL scene there. ExpatAmerican also verified that FLs are not that easily spotted as others had posted.[/QUOTE]Just to clarify, there is no FL scene at Lokasari. All girls are controlled by Mama sans. All negotiation is done with the Mama san. Honestly you are better off going to Classic. Way more girls and lot cleaner too. I've read Gabacho posts and he is going to be sorely disappointed. Jakarta is not for everyone. People used to Thailand who compare the scenes will be disappointed. Most western punters not familiar with Asian style mongering will be disappointed. But if you know what you are doing and unlock Jakarta, the quality of the girls and the sex is unsurpassed.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2946336]Those aren't very good stats for a successful meetup.

I have a friend who makes plans with his Classic, Travel, KI, and CJs regulars. I ask him if he wants to do lunch and he says no he has a girl coming over. More often than not I get a text around his meet up time if I want to go to lunch because his girl flaked.[/QUOTE]Clarity on my part. I am a numbers guy and rarely take any girl for a third try and want them gone once finished. The girls were quoting 1000 k range for an hour so I cancelled trying to meet them. Basically negotiations failed. I was offering same money I would pay normally (500 k) so the girl could keep the entry fee, mamasan portion, and the company's portion. One hour before her shift. Then she could simply walk 2 minutes to her work. I thought that was easy and very fair but I and others think the mamasans have lots of control over the girl's time and phone. It seems as if the mamasans like helping the girl visit customers for their cut while the company gets ziltch. I did have some regulars in Medellin Colombia but they too were flaky.

I have tried the online BS and sneak outs in several countries with the majority resulting in wasted time. Guys telling you they have a 70% or higher success rate are liars or have very low standards. Happily 10 years ago the bar sneak out rate in Angeles City Philippines was 70%, but no more.

I had a girl I loved in Kota Indah and wanted a repeat with her. Went there 5 days in a row but not there. No big deal I just take another girl or go to the next bar. Not sure if she has a customer, menstruation, I took too long to finish, did not tip enough, sick, or whatever is the problem. Maybe she simply gave me a mercy "F". I just want another.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2946391]Clarity on my part. I am a numbers guy and rarely take any girl for a third try and want them gone once finished. The girls were quoting 1000 k range for an hour so I cancelled trying to meet them. Basically negotiations failed. I was offering same money I would pay normally (500 k) so the girl could keep the entry fee, mamasan portion, and the company's portion. One hour before her shift. Then she could simply walk 2 minutes to her work. I thought that was easy and very fair[/QUOTE]I think 500 k is a fair price for a Classic girl to visit your hotel. She's going to be making 3 x what she would make for a session at Classic. I'd add 100 k or so if my hotel were say HI Gajah Mada but not a 2 minute walk like you are. Like you, I'm also a ST guy and want the girl gone after I'm done. Only exception would be if the girl agrees to go eat with me.

[QUOTE=JSmithJ88;2946348]Do you know what he normally pays them if they do happen to show up? LOL.[/QUOTE]Sorry I never asked but I'm guessing it would be along the lines of what LoveitHere and myself stated above. I'm guessing for CJ's it would be what he paid the first time they met one another.

[QUOTE=Expat American;2946376]I've read Gabacho posts and he is going to be sorely disappointed. Jakarta is not for everyone. People used to Thailand who compare the scenes will be disappointed. Most western punters not familiar with Asian style mongering will be disappointed. But if you know what you are doing and unlock Jakarta, the quality of the girls and the sex is unsurpassed.[/QUOTE]Agree don't come to Jakarta thinking this is Thailand or even PP for that matter. There is no fun bar scene in Jakarta. It's for the most part point and shoot.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2946376]Just to clarify, there is no FL scene at Lokasari. All girls are controlled by Mama sans. All negotiation is done with the Mama san. Honestly you are better off going to Classic. Way more girls and lot cleaner too. I've read Gabacho posts and he is going to be sorely disappointed. Jakarta is not for everyone. People used to Thailand who compare the scenes will be disappointed. Most western punters not familiar with Asian style mongering will be disappointed. But if you know what you are doing and unlock Jakarta, the quality of the girls and the sex is unsurpassed.[/QUOTE]It makes no difference to me if they are actually freelancers or if they are controlled by a mamasan. I just want to be able to take them back to my place for a ST session and then off they go. 500 k to 700 k IDR is fine with me for an hour BBFS and I don't mind trying to pull them from lokasari or CJs or Kota Indah bars. And I plan on visiting classic and travel too while I am there. But you think I will be disappointed?

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2946462]It makes no difference to me if they are actually freelancers or if they are controlled by a mamasan. I just want to be able to take them back to my place for a ST session and then off they go. 500 k to 700 k IDR is fine with me for an hour BBFS and I don't mind trying to pull them from lokasari or CJs or Kota Indah bars. And I plan on visiting classic and travel too while I am there. But you think I will be disappointed?[/QUOTE]Yes, because you have no understanding about how the scene in Jakarta works. You are building sand castles in your mind which bear no resemblance to reality on the ground. Many regular Jakarta mongers have repeatedly said this on the board but you seem to think you already know better. So yes, you will be disappointed. 100%.

My friend and I are going to Jakarta in Nov for a week. We have never been to Indonesia before, but have sampled some delicious triangular cookies in Colombia, Costa Rica, Thailand, UAE and Spain. Both of us have caught nasty bouts of yellow fever recently and we seek a cure for it in Indonesia.

My MO in the countries mentioned above have been to get my first bang of the day right before lunch with an agency escort delivered to my room. Then I go out with my civie after lunch. I feel I perform better with civies if I unload my man milk before I go out. If I am successful in banging the civie by 9 PM that's great, else I boot her from my room and go out with my buddy to puta venues to unload the crema de pene.

I have read the last 50 pages or so of the Jakarta threads and still have some questions.

1) I am thinking of staying in the cluster of Classic / Movenpick / Emporium hotels. I want to keep the venue hopping time at night to a minimum. I have connected with some civies (tech students, working professionals) through social media. But, do Classic / Emporium hotels and their nightclubs have a reputation of being seedy among the locals? I mean will an educated non pro civie with a job or bright future be disgusted if I tell her that I am staying in that area.

2) What are my options for daytime action in that area? I am not a huge fan of spas so far. I just want a quick bang before I go out with my civie. Are there a decent number of working girls in these 3 hotels earlier in the day? Or will I have collect numbers of pros the night before in the night clubs? Any reliable agency that services that area?

3) I made a google map based on information from the Jakarta threads. Link is provided below if you want to use it. Locations of interest are color coded. Any advice on how to organize it better? Anything I missed out on? Let me know and I will add it.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=1aIO9QAKF4vTqT1DtYjkmmXA3V2GyC2A[/URL]

[QUOTE=BroScientist;2946478]My friend and I are going to Jakarta in Nov for a week. We have never been to Indonesia before, but have sampled some delicious triangular cookies in Colombia, Costa Rica, Thailand, UAE and Spain. Both of us have caught nasty bouts of yellow fever recently and we seek a cure for it in Indonesia.

My MO in the countries mentioned above have been to get my first bang of the day right before lunch with an agency escort delivered to my room. Then I go out with my civie after lunch. I feel I perform better with civies if I unload my man milk before I go out. If I am successful in banging the civie by 9 PM that's great, else I boot her from my room and go out with my buddy to puta venues to unload the crema de pene.

I have read the last 50 pages or so of the Jakarta threads and still have some questions.

1) I am thinking of staying in the cluster of Classic / Movenpick / Emporium hotels. I want to keep the venue hopping time at night to a minimum. I have connected with some civies (tech students, working professionals) through social media. But, do Classic / Emporium hotels and their nightclubs have a reputation of being seedy among the locals? I mean will an educated non pro civie with a job or bright future be disgusted if I tell her that I am staying in that area.

2) What are my options for daytime action in that area? I am not a huge fan of spas so far. I just want a quick bang before I go out with my civie. Are there a decent number of working girls in these 3 hotels earlier in the day? Or will I have collect numbers of pros the night before in the night clubs? Any reliable agency that services that area?

3) I made a google map based on information from the Jakarta threads. Link is provided below if you want to use it. Locations of interest are color coded. Any advice on how to organize it better? Anything I missed out on? Let me know and I will add it.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=1aIO9QAKF4vTqT1DtYjkmmXA3V2GyC2A[/URL][/QUOTE]1) Similar thing happened to me, the civvie did a quick Google search & was shocked I was staying at Classic. I think she said prayed for my safety LOL. I think it's worth staying there for at least a couple of nights which is what I did as it's pretty convenient location-wise too.

2) Leads to my 2nd point, Classic opens at 2 although obviously the later it is the more choice. You don't need to go anywhere else for daygame if you can have a 3-some there for £25!

3) terrible with those kind of maps I'm afraid.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2946329]I haven't even been there yet, although I'm getting closer and will be there soon. So how can you say what I think lokasari is like?

Also EA gave a pretty vivid picture of the area in his assessment which is more than I can say about your posts which for the most part tend to talk shit about other members and post vague information that is sometimes correct and sometimes incorrect compared to other members.[/QUOTE]I posted all about Lokasari on my first visit 7 months ago and it was more indepth than other posts. How can I say how you will like or dislike Lokasari? Your posts about Lokasari make you sound like a kid in a candy store for the first time. I was 100% serious about walking that area with you. I may be back before your leave but by then I will not get to see your face as to what you have found like your first day of being there. Expat American obviously has read your silly posts and has had the same conclusion. If anyone thinks I am wrong and Lokasari is the cats meow then I would love to meet at Lokasari and have that person show me what I am missing.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2946376]Just to clarify, there is no FL scene at Lokasari. All girls are controlled by Mama sans. I've read Gabacho posts and he is going to be sorely disappointed. [/QUOTE]They have guys or possible boyfriends also introducing the girls. After the first meet you can just text or call the girl directly.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2946462]But you think I will be disappointed?[/QUOTE]No. EA, BB, me, and others have all been lying to you for months. Repeatedly. None of us have actually been there. We are just playing with you. So Sorry.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2944956]The only place I have repeated at since in West Jakarta is New Medika.[/QUOTE]When was the last time you were there? Price? Can you explain the layout of the interior such as where are the girls located and the location of the staircase for Sx? Are the girls sitting in a single row or are they stacked 5 deep so they are hard to see?

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2946420]



Agree don't come to Jakarta thinking this is Thailand or even PP for that matter. There is no fun bar scene in Jakarta. It's for the most part point and shoot.[/QUOTE]And can build up short term (one or two days) paid relation with semi working girls if one heave a loving heart. He he.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2946376]Just to clarify, there is no FL scene at Lokasari. All girls are controlled by Mama sans. All negotiation is done with the Mama san. Honestly you are better off going to Classic. Way more girls and lot cleaner too. I've read Gabacho posts and he is going to be sorely disappointed. Jakarta is not for everyone. People used to Thailand who compare the scenes will be disappointed. Most western punters not familiar with Asian style mongering will be disappointed. But if you know what you are doing and unlock Jakarta, the quality of the girls and the sex is unsurpassed.[/QUOTE]Should I just cancel my trip to Jakarta? Is that what you are trying to say Expat? You seem to be an expert on what I want and know that I will he disappointed so should I not even go?

[QUOTE=BroScientist;2946478]My friend and I are going to Jakarta in Nov for a week. We have never been to Indonesia before, but have sampled some delicious triangular cookies in Colombia, Costa Rica, Thailand, UAE and Spain. Both of us have caught nasty bouts of yellow fever recently and we seek a cure for it in Indonesia.

My MO in the countries mentioned above have been to get my first bang of the day right before lunch with an agency escort delivered to my room. Then I go out with my civie after lunch. I feel I perform better with civies if I unload my man milk before I go out. If I am successful in banging the civie by 9 PM that's great, else I boot her from my room and go out with my buddy to puta venues to unload the crema de pene.

I have read the last 50 pages or so of the Jakarta threads and still have some questions.

1) I am thinking of staying in the cluster of Classic / Movenpick / Emporium hotels. I want to keep the venue hopping time at night to a minimum. I have connected with some civies (tech students, working professionals) through social media. But, do Classic / Emporium hotels and their nightclubs have a reputation of being seedy among the locals? I mean will an educated non pro civie with a job or bright future be disgusted if I tell her that I am staying in that area.

2) What are my options for daytime action in that area? I am not a huge fan of spas so far. I just want a quick bang before I go out with my civie. Are there a decent number of working girls in these 3 hotels earlier in the day? Or will I have collect numbers of pros the night before in the night clubs? Any reliable agency that services that area?

3) I made a google map based on information from the Jakarta threads. Link is provided below if you want to use it. Locations of interest are color coded. Any advice on how to organize it better? Anything I missed out on? Let me know and I will add it.

[URL]https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=1aIO9QAKF4vTqT1DtYjkmmXA3V2GyC2A[/URL][/QUOTE]Here we go again. Another "experienced" monger from LatAM coming to Jakarta and expecting to follow the same playbook. It doesn't work that way. You don't use Football rules on a Basketball court. If you have indeed read 50 pages of reports you should understand the Jakarta scene is primarily onsite brothels in the form of clubs or spas. If that's not what floats your boat why not just go to Bangkok where you can find your fill of escort agencies, freelancers and all the other things you seem to want. There is no real day time scene in Jakarta, especially if you don't like spas (how do you know you don't like them if you haven't ever been to one?

As for your civilians? Good luck. It will be hit or miss and if they are truly not working girls (no money involved) your probability of getting laid on the first date is small. And yes all the locals know Classic and Emporium for the sleazy sex dens they are.

My usual plan: Sleep in late, laze by the pool in the afternoon, hit a spa (Emporium, Classic, 1001 bfashion, etc are some of many options) around 4 pm, dinner at 7, Classic / KI or other club after dinner. 2 to 3 pops a day. Sometimes squeeze in a Seeking or Tinder girl but only if they offer something special (I. E kink / BDSM etc). Normal civis don't interest me as I have no desire to take the time and energy to seduce a girl over days to end up with mediocre sex.

But you do as you will. Let us know how it works out.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2946597]Should I just cancel my trip to Jakarta? Is that what you are trying to say Expat? You seem to be an expert on what I want and know that I will he disappointed so should I not even go?[/QUOTE]Hey its your money and your dick. You can do whatever you want. I don't really know you except for your posts where you seem to want a lot of Freelancers and street walkers and as I and Loveithere, Bananaboi and others have also told you, Jakarta is just not that. Coming to Jakarta for that is a waste of time and money. If that's a wrong impression of you, then sorry. Maybe you will have a good time in Jakarta. Try and see and we look forward to your detailed reports!

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2946569]When was the last time you were there? Price? Can you explain the layout of the interior such as where are the girls located and the location of the staircase for Sx? Are the girls sitting in a single row or are they stacked 5 deep so they are hard to see?[/QUOTE]Here's my review of my last visit to New Medika in February. I didn't go on my last trip in June because I didn't feel it was worthy of the long taxi ride deep into West Jakarta. Just hate the sardine layout. Wish they spread the girls out again so at least you could see if they have legs.

[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2890523]New Medika. Walked in to the back room and again the club layout is completely different. Gone are all the sofas the girls used to lounge around in like at a FKK club. Instead they are jammed like sardines in a corner like they are in many of the KI clubs. I hate that takes forever to pick someone you may like. I saw a cute face in the very corner fixing her hair for 5 minutes. At the very least I knew my girl cared about how to take care of herself. Figured I went all the way out there may as well go with someone. Maybe 40 girls and 2 ok. My girl did have a cute face and a fun personality. She was a bit thicker in the middle and in her legs than I prefer. She was all giggly and happy so I couldn't throw her back. In the room she too was obedient but she just wasn't very experienced at sex. I think I ended her session well before time and hurriedly went back towards Mangga Besar. Cost something below 400 k. Oh, I think SL mentioned a 2nd floor. The sign on the door and my girl said not open.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2946462]It makes no difference to me if they are actually freelancers or if they are controlled by a mamasan. I just want to be able to take them back to my place for a ST session and then off they go. 500 k to 700 k IDR is fine with me for an hour BBFS and I don't mind trying to pull them from lokasari or CJs or Kota Indah bars. And I plan on visiting classic and travel too while I am there. But you think I will be disappointed?[/QUOTE]+ With a 500K to 700K IDR budget you cannot get any girl in CJs or any other Club in South Jakarta.
+ Stick to Lokasari which will also be hit or miss. Meaning, the selection varies by day and time.

~BKK