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[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1288341]Many guys have not learned that lesson and married bargirls. I don't say they were wrong to do so either, but making a choice too fast is always a bad idea.

Having accepted money to screw does not automatically magically change a girl from being good to very bad. Some guys have to take whatever girl they can get. I could not go back to my home country and take a girl my own age. It just would not interest me. Finding the right non-P4P girl is probably the best option, if she is still great in bed and likes sex a lot.[/QUOTE]Sufficient common sense in all the post. There are bar girls who are not hardened hookers and they take the sex services as part of their job not as the main and only part. Of course the customer has to be attracted first. They look for better money than a 9 to 5 job in an office, they are not confined at a desk. There are GF material if one carries on, but he has to be aware of her expectations in general terms (not necessarily money money or visits to the gold shop). They might look for variety of life, for some fun and leisure (again, it doesn't mean they are lazy ones expecting you hire a maid and a cooker). Lets say they are GFE material for a few days of fun and everything, sex included. I know one who doesn't like a steady job, prefers part time ones plus having a range of regular customers taking her for LT, including few days. She gets the chance of traveling here and there with the customer as a companion. And she defineteky has less $$$ expectations than a "one off" from NEP or cowboy gogo's. As she factors the repeated business. But she NEP gogo material either. She enjoys it and she is well aware of what she does and what her job is. How long will that last? Will she be able to do this over 40's or more, when age will start to take the toll. True that a 20yo will win, but we know that Asian women, in general, have their bodies looking better when aged than the western counterparts (generalization is a must in this elaboration, don't flame back listing the dogs around Soi 3 or whatever). So they still have a chance to to turn from GFE into GF and ultimately into a potential wife. Certainly not much at 25/30 vs. A 50yo farang. But a 10/15 years difference will be acceptable at both ends. Can't see that much in the western world, housewife, single, divorcee, widow, woman next door, BG, hooker or escort or whatever the lady is. Matter of the fact is that Asian women are less obsessed, for a reason or the other, by age differences and by the look of the man. And less obsessed about preserving their pussies with spidernets.

This conversation on Asian GF's is all good, pros vs. Amateurs, which nationality makes the best steady girl, and the like. Just remember, no matter what, it is a huge mistake to take your Asian GF back to the hard land of the winter. The USA, EU, Canada will ruin your girl as she assimilates and adjusts to your culture. Your lovely Asian flower will wither and die. A happy long term relationship with an Asian girl is only possible if the man can move to Thailand, the PI, or some other part of South Asia. I wish I could make the move. Unfortunately I have obligations that keep me here inside the Empire and I can only escape a few months a year.

I just finished reading an interesting sci-fi book set in Thailand in the future. It is called 'The Windup girl. ' It is a good book to read while waiting for your next trip.

[quote=syzygies; 1288341]many guys have not learned that lesson and married bargirls. i don't say they were wrong to do so either, but making a choice too fast is always a bad idea.

i don't find bar-girls to be great potential as a gf, but not sure why this should be so, other than:

"it's easy to take the girl out of the bar, but not easy to take the bar out of the girl".

hookers from other sources seem to be better possibilities, and again i'm not sure why. i have seen marriages to hookers work out very well, and have seen marriages to non-hooker thais work out very poorly. its very hard to generalise. its only the specific girl that really counts. if the girl has always been looking for a way to get out of being a hooker, she has some possibilities.

having accepted money to screw does not automatically magically change a girl from being good to very bad. some guys have to take whatever girl they can get. i could not go back to my home country and take a girl my own age. it just would not interest me. finding the right non-p4p girl is probably the best option, if she is still great in bed and likes sex a lot.

not sure why mongers expect to get 100% faithful gfs. seems hypocritical. i don't expect to control a girl absolutely. i'm not of one of those religions where a girl is my property.[/quote]i think you have hit the nail on the head. i would agree that it is an incredible mixed bag when it comes to each and every girl out there, and sure there are some gems. but the reality is that a huge number of the girls, and especially the less hardened and "sweeter" ones actually have a major lack of confidence and low self esteem, and over the course of time this comes to wreak havoc on the relationship. in the west or developed world or whatever you want to call it, even in relatively less class based societies, most people end up having relationships with their peers. so you'd think that the average guy over here, who is middle class on up, has a university education on up, is professional or else retired with money, would probably get along best with a thai woman who has an education, has traveled abroad, speaks good english or other, has friends, hobbies, and interests, et al. in terms of something over time, that sounds far more sustaining than a girl with a third grade education who has had almost no exposure to the outside world other than farang cock. but as we know, it is a heck of a lot easier to go find something sweet to bang in a bar rather than making the time and effort to meet someone else not to mention the commitments involved. and that's where huge numbers end up finding the girl in the bar that they say "she's different" about, and yes, maybe she is not a gold digger, maybe she is polite, maybe she makes an effort to further herself in the world, but i'd guess that the percentages are a heck of a lot higher that in the end, she is just looking for a sponsor. in thai society and thai eyes, most of these girls are considered to be the bottom of the barrel, and this attitude doesn't make it any easier for them to move completely away from the bar and all its connotations. one realizes after awhile that they make fantastic one night or once a week stands, they can be fun, and yeah, why not take one on a date here or there. but gf? you should probably buy yourself a lot of beers if you are good enough to go the distance with one.

[QUOTE=Syzygies;1288341]Having accepted money to screw does not automatically magically change a girl from being good to very bad. Some guys have to take whatever girl they can get. I could not go back to my home country and take a girl my own age. It just would not interest me. Finding the right non-P4P girl is probably the best option, if she is still great in bed and likes sex a lot.[/QUOTE]One of the wonderful things about Thailand is that you could find the right non P4P girl and it wouldn't necessarily have to matter whether she was an LBFM or not. You stay with her for a hundred great things other than that, and then you pop down to wherever once or twice a week and act out your porn fantasies!

[QUOTE=Natty Bumpo; 1288455]This conversation on Asian GF's is all good, pros vs. Amateurs, which nationality makes the best steady girl, and the like. Just remember, no matter what, it is a huge mistake to take your Asian GF back to the hard land of the winter. The USA, EU, Canada will ruin your girl as she assimilates and adjusts to your culture. Your lovely Asian flower will wither and die. A happy long term relationship with an Asian girl is only possible if the man can move to Thailand, the PI, or some other part of South Asia. I wish I could make the move. Unfortunately I have obligations that keep me here inside the Empire and I can only escape a few months a year.

I just finished reading an interesting sci-fi book set in Thailand in the future. It is called 'The Windup girl. ' It is a good book to read while waiting for your next trip.[/QUOTE]For the most part you are correct, however, I have several friends who have married gals from LOS and taken them to the states and are having very successful relationships there, but they all have one thing in common; the gals were all degreed professionals here who have gotten very good jobs in the states.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1288237]Wow, we agree!

So what if guys want to date hookers? I don't see the problem. I hate men who think that because a lady is a Hooker she's not a good GF Material. Well if you don't like hookers, what the fuck are you doing on this forum then?

Girls are "rented" for their time. What you do in that time is up to you: not everyone wants 5 shots, Anal and BBBJCIM.[/QUOTE]Nic, I love hookers. That is not the point. Guys come over here and tend to throw their standards out the window when it comes to choosing someone for a long term relationship. They grab a good looking hooker with a sixth grade education, BF her, and is six seconds they are in love and willing to mortgage the farm for her.

Really, WTF? Is that the way you want to choose a mate or the potential mother of your children? What is she bringing to the table? Can she provide anything else but open legs and hands? Again, hookers are hookers, and I love 'them! That is one reason to live here, but choosing an uneducated poor girl with leeches for family members is not smart. In the US, it would be like going to poorest holler of West Virginia and choosing your wife there. You would not even think of doing that in the states, so why do it here? For fun, it does not matter of course, that is all about skill set.

[QUOTE=Joe Looking; 1288349]I don't think anyone is saying it is a problem to go on a date with a hooker. I have been known to spend a few hours, on my dime, with a girl that I liked the next day. The problem is that some guys spend so lavishly on what are essentially bar girls they feel that it should become the norm. I met a girl in Udon who because she had been sponsored was reluctant to sleep with any man who was not a potential sponsor. She has also developed the opinion that take care of means that she does nothing all day but sit around and you pay her a monthly salary because when you come to town she will spend time with you.

I also understand that as men we can have a variety of needs. For example, one man may not want sex but just to spend a couple of hours in the company of a beautiful girl. That's all well and good and I would never deride anyone for that. The service I generally want is sex, but if the service another man wants is time that is perfectly fine.

Again I was mainly referring to profligate spending in the form of sponsorship and things like gifts for you favorite bar girl. It's just opinion but I really don't like it when I see men treating the women like queens and then the women turn around and talk shit about them, which I have found is very common because Thai women seem to draw a weird line between a man who is generous and one who is stupid with money.

Because of this board and the wisdom of a lot of older mongers I have met through my travels I have been able to avoid tons of would be expensive lessons. If just one guy reads this discussion and thinks twice about sponsoring a girl or overpaying because she says how much she likes him, I will feel like I have accomplished something.[/QUOTE]Well stated. Want to have a relationship in Thailand? Find a girl who has a degree, has a real job and has been at it for awhile, and comes from at least a middle class family that can take care of themselves.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1288533]Nic, I love hookers. That is not the point. Guys come over here and tend to throw their standards out the window when it comes to choosing someone for a long term relationship. They grab a good looking hooker with a sixth grade education, BF her, and is six seconds they are in love and willing to mortgage the farm for her.[/quote]We agree here, some guys really get suckered. In the Bars (at the beginning) everything is all Glitters and Gold, guys barfine the first girl that sits on their lap and fall in love with them. These girls are slick and they can smell a newbie a mile away.

[quote]Really, WTF? Is that the way you want to choose a mate or the potential mother of your children? What is she bringing to the table? Can she provide anything else but open legs and hands? Again, hookers are hookers, and I love 'them! That is one reason to live here, but choosing an uneducated poor girl with leeches for family members is not smart. In the US, it would be like going to poorest holler of West Virginia and choosing your wife there. You would not even think of doing that in the states, so why do it here? For fun, it does not matter of course, that is all about skill set.[/QUOTE]Getting away from P4P, If you love a lady I don't see why social status should matter.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1288534]Well stated. Want to have a relationship in Thailand? Find a girl who has a degree, has a real job and has been at it for awhile, and comes from at least a middle class family that can take care of themselves.[/QUOTE]Will she find an interest on the average farang (who initially came to Thailand to bang girls as available for cheap, are much younger than him and are, due to the nature of the generic asian women DNA accomplishing and serving the man)?

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1288536]Getting away from P4P, If you love a lady I don't see why social status should matter.[/QUOTE]You still need a degree of mutual interests (that includes education and in a way understanding the cultural differences). A very low class girl (just by birth environment) can still blossom in a sophisticated lady, but one out of a million.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy;1288536]We agree here, some guys really get suckered. In the Bars (at the beginning) everything is all Glitters and Gold, guys barfine the first girl that sits on their lap and fall in love with them. These girls are slick and they can smell a newbie a mile away.[/QUOTE]Well, that guy is then quite an idiot and doesn't deserve anything else. He doesn't have the capacity to understand his environment. The only pity is for the kids that eventually come out these relationships, the real victims.

Last night this pretty Thai girl is asking me (only because I know her girlfriend very well) about can she go to the Embassy of Peter's home country and ask if she can legally get him to submit to a DNA test so that he will take some responsibility for her child (now 3-4 years old). Meanwhile he is married and living in his home country. He sends 10K to her each month but never mentions or asks after the child. Good Luck! He certainly doesn't want it proved that he is the father, but was very happy to fuck her without a condom, this young naive girl and many others.
Sorry if its a bit off topic.

[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1288534]Well stated. Want to have a relationship in Thailand? Find a girl who has a degree, has a real job and has been at it for awhile, and comes from at least a middle class family that can take care of themselves.[/QUOTE]I once knew a girl who worked Nana car park who had completed her degree at Ramkhamhaeng in something to do with Language Interpreter. I think she wanted to become a tour guide, but finding the right job was tough.
No doubt several ISGers have been with "Nit" a couple or more years back.