Kyiv

Love, your post, so true. Guys just do not want to deal with the reality of Kiev and try to keep this illusion alive. There are T. Dudes everywhere, more then willing to pay Top Dollar. Most do not care about rules and have just ruined the city One thing that is not talked about is these guys save up thee money for the whole year and go crazy in Kiev for a weekend or few days. Also, 3-4 guys will get an apartment outside the center, eat at home, so they are living very cheap, very smart, not sure I would want that type of trip, but I must give them credit.

Get a tinder premium, passport to Kiev and swipe everything right. You will end up with someone good.

[QUOTE=George6969;2235380]I am coming to the Ukraine since many years and still thinking of the good old River Palace Times and even earlier the good old 111 in Hotel Lybid. Ever since my mongering experiences in Kiev had been bad. I tried Avalon, now closed, Shooters, bad experiences, Skybar, normally empty and Buddha Bar, empty or overpriced. I even had been to Rio.

I try to avoid booking through the Web and now will go back to Kiev more often.

Maybe some fellows can provide me with some updated information.

Is there a new Club / Bar which is new and woks solidly and is maybe not crowded but not empty..[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Misterxxx;2235611]You are a freshman in Kiev. You do not know the "good, old" times. At that time it was possible to get a real 9 or 10. For small change ($ 100 and less). At that time it was possible to find a top woman without any financial interests without any problems. Today there are too many sex tourists. Especially from the Arab countries and Turkey. These people are ready to pay a lot of money. Blind and without reason. Which has a negative impact on the market. In my country it is no problem to get a good working girl for 30-50 Euro. A hooker who costs at least 200+ dollars in Kiev. From my side there is no reason to go to Kiev as a sex tourist. I really have a "business" in Ukraine. Sex for money is not the reason for my trip. Just to fuck 20 women in a week I do not have to travel to Kiev. The cost of flights, apartments, restaurants are often neglected. And the time it takes to find a good hooker. Wrong photos on the internet. Rip off in strip clubs. Negotiate the price. Women you wait for and do not come. For comparison: In Thailand (Pattaya, Bangkok) there are thousands of women you can see and take away immediately. You are spoiled for choice. In nudist clubs you can have 10 women in one night. Good women. And at a significantly better price than in Kiev.

Everything depends on the point of view. Travel to Kiev to save money? This works only if a hooker in your country is very expensive. Or there are few good hookers. As in Arab countries or Turkey. In Kiev you may still have the illusion of finding a semi-pro hooker. Not more. Kiev lives today only from the memory of the good old days. From the old reports on the internet. Of the rumors of the past years. That all Ukrainians are hookers. And Kiev lives on the wet dreams of millions of men.

That there are no hookers in Kiev is not true. But the quality and number of hookers goes down significantly. Compared with the crisis 2014/2015 and above all with the time 10 or 20 years ago. But prices are rising. Significant. Today 200 dollars. 4 years ago $ 50. For the same hookers.[/QUOTE]I totally agree with this report, close to the reality. I love the part: "Women you wait for and do not come". And this one too " That all Ukrainians are hookers". So many guys think that way, so many of them are not hookers.

[QUOTE=Misterxxx;2235611]You are a freshman in Kiev. You do not know the "good, old" times. At that time it was possible to get a real 9 or 10. For small change ($ 100 and less). At that time it was possible to find a top woman without any financial interests without any problems. Today there are too many sex tourists. Especially from the Arab countries and Turkey. These people are ready to pay a lot of money. Blind and without reason. Which has a negative impact on the market. In my country it is no problem to get a good working girl for 30-50 Euro. A hooker who costs at least 200+ dollars in Kiev. From my side there is no reason to go to Kiev as a sex tourist. I really have a "business" in Ukraine. Sex for money is not the reason for my trip. Just to fuck 20 women in a week I do not have to travel to Kiev. The cost of flights, apartments, restaurants are often neglected. And the time it takes to find a good hooker. Wrong photos on the internet. Rip off in strip clubs. Negotiate the price. Women you wait for and do not come. For comparison: In Thailand (Pattaya, Bangkok) there are thousands of women you can see and take away immediately. You are spoiled for choice. In nudist clubs you can have 10 women in one night. Good women. And at a significantly better price than in Kiev.

Everything depends on the point of view. Travel to Kiev to save money? This works only if a hooker in your country is very expensive. Or there are few good hookers. As in Arab countries or Turkey. In Kiev you may still have the illusion of finding a semi-pro hooker. Not more. Kiev lives today only from the memory of the good old days. From the old reports on the internet. Of the rumors of the past years. That all Ukrainians are hookers. And Kiev lives on the wet dreams of millions of men.

That there are no hookers in Kiev is not true. But the quality and number of hookers goes down significantly. Compared with the crisis 2014/2015 and above all with the time 10 or 20 years ago. But prices are rising. Significant. Today 200 dollars. 4 years ago $ 50. For the same hookers.[/QUOTE]Dear misterxxx, Hello all.

This is correct. I'm "freshman in Kiev" and I'm "not know the "good, old" times"! And I'm also notice the guys from Turkey and from the arab country in the clubs and the the negative impact. I'm agree and I'm also not happy about it!

It doesn't make sense to mourn the old days. We should talk about what's going on now. As soon as someone talks about his experiences today, something about the old times is told immediately. We shouldn't be treating each other like this.

Please do not compare to Thailand. They play in a different league and they are not in Europe. I was in Pattaya and know about the prices and the girls. And by the way when you look in some Pattaya Forum you find also people who are talking about "the good old times".

You say "In my country it is no problem to get a good working girl for 30-50 Euro" Please told us from which country are you talking? Is it in Europe?

Does anyone have a suggestion where it's better in Europe? Where you can find good WG in clubs and bars for a better price? I am looking forward to finding some suggestions.

[QUOTE=Kater100;2235575]The Bar in the Arena and Chi they didn't let us in (face control)..[/QUOTE]One of the biggest disappointments in today's Kiev is the clubs where the really beautiful girls patronize will not let you in if you're a grown up man. Not unless you reserve a table and pay them stupid money.

I havn't been in Kiev for 3 years. At that time I used Mamba to get my score. The site is not the same, and VK seems dead. Where is the new place to hunt? My trip is planed after Christmas so I have good time.

Best regards.

OwaRunner.

Just to say in my experience not the one at Khrestatyk metro but the one by Ploshcha Lva Tolstoho metro. Been approached twice there.

[QUOTE=Kobebryant2000;2234954]I assume they must be talking about the McDonalds on Khreschatyk street next to the metro entrance. I have been in this place hundreds of times, never have been approached once, never had any girl other than an employee give me any sort of look. I'm sure if you want to approach students and attempt to get numbers, perhaps it's possible but it's certainly not a prime pickup spot in my opinion. The metro entrance and exit next door is a high foot traffic area and you may have a good chance to attempt to meet women and get numbers but I've never just been randomly approached by anyone other than street beggars looking for money.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Riina;2235986]One of the biggest disappointments in today's Kiev is the clubs where the really beautiful girls patronize will not let you in if you're a grown up man. Not unless you reserve a table and pay them stupid money.[/QUOTE]Yes fully agree. Seams like that they didn't'need our money. And we are not "cheep charlies". But I don't want to complain. I'm looking for alternatives.

[QUOTE=Kater100;2235889]Dear misterxxx, Hello all.

This is correct. I'm "freshman in Kiev" and I'm "not know the "good, old" times"! And I'm also notice the guys from Turkey and from the arab country in the clubs and the the negative impact. I'm agree and I'm also not happy about it!

It doesn't make sense to mourn the old days. We should talk about what's going on now. As soon as someone talks about his experiences today, something about the old times is told immediately. We shouldn't be treating each other like this.

Please do not compare to Thailand. They play in a different league and they are not in Europe. I was in Pattaya and know about the prices and the girls. And by the way when you look in some Pattaya Forum you find also people who are talking about "the good old times"..[/QUOTE]Personally I use Mamba. Spend sometime getting to know girls. I have met some nice girls, spent some time with them then move on.

I try to get a girl at somewhere near 1000 UAH or $35 per hour for a couple of hours, sometimes that has gone up to 4 hours depending on girl. So $17 or 500 uah per hour bloody good price / time.

As for the good old days, well forget the comments today is now.

You could get a good price in any city years ago, now expensive.

When I goto Kiev, I get about 10 telephone numbers then use just 5.

That way I do not feel I missed out.

You can always log onto Mamba and get someone today for good price, last time sweet 19 yo for 1000 uah per hour, she probably would come for less but that is my goal.

From looking on Mamba to dipping my wick one and a half hours.

I do not want to pay club prices, $300 for a shag way too much, if I can have half a dozen girls for $70 a pop over a say three days I am happy.

Well my two pennies worth.

[QUOTE]The trick is that I use a reliable agent. I go to apartments

Tanya, Emma, Ilona from apartments are beautiful. I saw Tanya twice. Buddy saw Nastia, petite spinner blonde who rocked it for him.[/QUOTE]What is this trick, could you elaborate more on this please. It almost sounds as if apartments is a brand name of an agency or club LOL.

The way you use names of the girls is nice. But would you mind sharing their numbers, if you have any.

Cheers.

One of the biggest disappointments in today's Kiev is the clubs where the really beautiful girls patronize will not let you in if you're a grown up man. Not unless you reserve a table and pay them stupid money.

Guys it is easy just tip the Doorman a few buck, you just have to play the game. (If you can pay $200, plus and hour, at GIA I am sure you can afford $2-5, it goes a long ways), I have been to both places over 50 times. The Bar always has people, buy very small. Definitely not high end, but for Kiev is above average. When I was going there a lot thee was not even a Doorman, so I do not know how you could not get in.

Famous is empty 90% of the time, fun place, and beautiful, very few single girls, Friday's are good, Saturdays usually empty, and the rest of the week there is nobody there. You are not missing much.

[QUOTE=Crompton;2236445]Personally I use Mamba. Spend sometime getting to know girls. I have met some nice girls, spent some time with them then move on.

I try to get a girl at somewhere near 1000 UAH or $35 per hour for a couple of hours, sometimes that has gone up to 4 hours depending on girl. So $17 or 500 uah per hour bloody good price / time.

As for the good old days, well forget the comments today is now.

You could get a good price in any city years ago, now expensive.

When I goto Kiev, I get about 10 telephone numbers then use just 5.

That way I do not feel I missed out..[/QUOTE]Based on what I read here, I used Mamba to approach girls. If you're not yet in Kiev you need to buy the premium "VIP" option (6 $) to search for them. The good thing about Mamba is that there is much less "fake" there. Ukrainian photographers have a very distinctive well-lit, mise-en-scene style, if the girl also has photos made by herself, you can be certain that's her. And I can tell you that's almost 100% of the profiles.

Now the bad parts:

1. Those girls are quite choosy. Expect to have a 50% reply rate leading to a rate of 25% of exchanging telephone numbers. So do your research at least one week before arrival.

2. I don't know when Crompton was last in Kiev, prices start with 100 $/3000 UAH for 2 h for a 8-9/10, 150 $ for a 9-10/10 up to 250 $ for the Emilia Clarke look-alike. Now if a 8-9 asks you for 150 $ you can negotiate her down to 100 $, but the 9-10+ will not engage in any negotiation whatsoever. Also they might have encountered so many weirdos that they initially will not agree to come for more than 2 h. The good thing is that all of them agree to kiss you without asking for extra.

3. I do have to admit that I didn't contact any girl with looks below an 8, and that those girls could be as cheap as Crompton describes, but it seems to me that Turks and Arabs are inflating prices here.

I will arrive in Kiev on Thursday for a long weekend. What are bars / clubs which you would recommend to go to?

[QUOTE=SoberSoul;2236553]The way you use names of the girls is nice. But would you mind sharing their numbers, if you have any..[/QUOTE]It took almost three weeks for someone to ask. If it was any other thread.

[QUOTE=Riina;2236719]It took almost three weeks for someone to ask. If it was any other thread.[/QUOTE]LOL, actually I signed up to respond to your post. Overall it is interesting. By the way I am residing in Kyiv since May and I have some goodies too. We can exchange on the PM.

[QUOTE=Elemtere2;2227214]I'm up for sharing the legit and good girls we find on Kiev.

[URL]https://t.me/joinchat/HNPXAw7tQXsDc-RTFYGsIQ[/URL] is a channel for sharing information.[/QUOTE]Good idea!

Tomorrow I am in Kiev again. A few things change last years.

Independent girls are difficult to find. But not impossible.

You need some time for it.

Clubs still lots of possibilities. Caribbean Club is my favorite. Sorry Babushka, Coyote Ugly and Forsage (not for old man) is good too. But last 3 clubs not many pro girls. You have to search. But an expert will see them.

Students want some extra money too. But be kind to them and maybe they come with you.

Anyone any advice on other clubs? What about the new d'lux and skybar? Or other?