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OUTSTANDING!
Happy New Year
euro
[B] Happy new year, and welcome to the annual FKK awards! [/B]
The nominees are: Oase, World, Palace and Goldentime, the four only FKK that manage to have a line-up with at least 40-50 girls. Those FKK are obviously way above the others. Still, being the sole member of the jury, I give myself the right to add a fith nominee, but I think the audience will agree with it: Bernd's!
[B] On number 5 : Bernd's! [/B]
Everything has already been said about Bernd's, this legendary club with it's unique atmosphere and level of service. Still, it would not be fair to put a club with less than 20 girls and poor infrastucture above the other top clubs.
[B] On number 4: Palace! [/B]
I have allways ranked the three Frankfurt clubs way above the others. Even if my last visit in June at Palace was great, I'm concerned about the way this club doing lately. All forums seem to agree about this, Palace has a few serious issues: theft, bad attitude of girls, ripp off and last but not least entrance price raised to 75€! This is not anymore a FKK spirit. I guess the location within Frankfurt has something to do with it. Most clubs located within main cities tend to be ripp off clubs, as the customers are mainly tourists and foreign business men, easy to ripp off. Even if Palace is not yet to be put in the category of ripp off clubs, the ranking drop from number three to number four is a strongh warning towards the management.
[B] On number 3: Goldentime! [/B]
Goldentime is doing better and better each year. The number of girls and customers keep growing and is now at a Frankfurt level. The atmosphere even without the naked dressing policy is nearly as wild as the Frankfurt clubs and couch action has become the norm, especially on summer in the outdoor garden. The service is even better than in Frankfurt as it's a club of regular customers. And last but not least, pricing is the lowest of all 5 clubs, allowing extended time sessions for an excellent deal. The main problem of this club is that the facilities are not designed for such crowd, especially during winter without the outdoor garden.
[B] On number 2: Oase! [/B]
Oase is still a great club with the best line-up. But facilities are poor for such a club, even with the ventilation improvement.It would not be fair to rank Oase number one with such facilities.
[B] And the winner is....FKK World! [/B]
World has always been the FKK with the best facilities, and the management puts a lot of efforts to make this club the best of all. The line-up has not yet the quantity and the diversity of Oase, but keeps going better each year. But the best improvement comes from it's atmosphere, nearly as wild now as Oase. Yes, it's clearly my favorite club.
[QUOTE=Routard][B] Happy new year, and welcome to the annual FKK awards! [/B]
[B] On number 4: Palace! [/B]
I have allways ranked the three Frankfurt clubs way above the others. Even if my last visit in June at Palace was great, I'm concerned about the way this club doing lately. All forums seem to agree about this, Palace has a few serious issues: theft, bad attitude of girls, ripp off and last but not least entrance price raised to 75€! This is not anymore a FKK spirit. I guess the location within Frankfurt has something to do with it. Most clubs located within main cities tend to be ripp off clubs, as the customers are mainly tourists and foreign business men, easy to ripp off. Even if Palace is not yet to be put in the category of ripp off clubs, the ranking drop from number three to number four is a strongh warning towards the management.
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I think a 10E raise is pretty stiff. But I suspect the other clubs will also raise their prices since the VAT is going up 3% in January!! Expect to pay more for everything. I will boycott Palace on my next visit. The price/service ratio is definitely not worth it. I also suspect that the number of girls will decrease since they have to pay the increase too and thus, you get a larger possibility of processor girls. Wonder which club they will go to.
[QUOTE=Routard][B] Happy new year, and welcome to the annual FKK awards! [/B]
The nominees are: Oase, World, Palace and Goldentime, the four only FKK that manage to have a line-up with at least 40-50 girls. Those FKK are obviously way above the others. Still, being the sole member of the jury, I give myself the right to add a fith nominee, but I think the audience will agree with it: Bernd's![/QUOTE]
Mon Ami,
The great thing about democracy is that we can all agree to disagree, and we'll all be right in believing that our own opinion is the correct one.
I have serious misgivings with the main criteria that you chose. Yes, if quantity of women and overall facility size are the most important weighted factors then these 4 would be at or near the top of the list. But they always would be there as these are fixed factors that almost never change. And if these are the main consideration, then Artemis, Colosseum and Harem, should also be on the list of nominees.
IMO, it is the variable factors that are far more important, are constantly changing, and seperate the wheat from the chaffe. These variables are service level, variety of standard services on offer, value for money, general atmosphere, ambience, pre-coital and post-coital levels, professional and receptive management, chances for GFE, sights and sounds (such as active kino, couch action), special events, loose and laid back atmosphere, ratio of good SP to bad SP, service consistency, etc.
GT shouldn't even be on a list of FKK nominees as it is not an FKK club. Palace with all of the newbie scamming, churn and burn atmosphere and ripoff tactics that have been reported this year, should certainly not be on the 2006 list.
My 2006 nominee list would include World, Oase, Bernd's, Heavensgate, Artemis, ColA and Cocoon.
[QUOTE=Routard][[B] On number 5 : Bernd's! [/B]
Everything has already been said about Bernd's, this legendary club with it's unique atmosphere and level of service. Still, it would not be fair to put a club with less than 20 girls and poor infrastucture above the other top clubs..[/QUOTE]
It's well known that the facility is not on par with the Hessen 3 and other newer and bigger clubs, but that is part of the raunchy charm and character of the place.
Those less than 20 girls give consistently good service, the club has a great atmosphere and ambience, pre-coital and post-coital levels are high, BBBJ by the masseuse, CIM, COB, and anal are on offer and it's very well managed for many years. Aren't these more important than the size of the building or age of the couches. We're going there for the sex aren't we?
[QUOTE=Routard][[B] On number 2: Oase! [/B]
Oase is still a great club with the best line-up. But facilities are poor for such a club, even with the ventilation improvement.It would not be fair to rank Oase number one with such facilities...[/QUOTE]
We're going there for the sex aren't we? It still has the most varied and consistently good lineup of the Hessen 3 and, while not at Artemis or World levels, the facilities particularly the Kino, sauna and summer garden are very good. The management has consistently shown that it is receptive to suggestions and criticisms. A few years ago they added air conditioning and additional zimmers, and now the bar area has been extended, couches are switched, ventilation has improved and we'll still need to see how the outdoor renovations add or subtract to the facility. But it's the variable factors that make the difference and IMO put it ahead of World.
[QUOTE=Routard][[B] And the winner is....FKK World! [/B]
World has always been the FKK with the best facilities, and the management puts a lot of efforts to make this club the best of all. The line-up has not yet the quantity and the diversity of Oase, but keeps going better each year. But the best improvement comes from it's atmosphere, nearly as wild now as Oase. Yes, it's clearly my favorite club.[/QUOTE]
Maybe it's me, but I stll find the whole wintergarden upstairs area very cold and forbidding and not conducive to good interplay between clients and between clients and SP. Too much standing around and staring at each other. I also find it too big, and hard to keep track of the comings and goings. And while improving, the level of service is just not as consistent as it should be. Don't get me wrong, i like this club, I've had some great life-altering experiences there, and it's in my top 3.
My Best of 2006 winner is Bernd's, followed by Oase, followed by World.
[QUOTE=Routard]World has always been the FKK with the best facilities, and the management puts a lot of efforts to make this club the best of all.
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Best outside facilities, maybe. I don't really like the interior.
[QUOTE=Routard]The line-up has not yet the quantity and the diversity of Oase, but keeps going better each year. But the best improvement comes from it's atmosphere, nearly as wild now as Oase. [/QUOTE]
Oase does not have a good line-up at present. What was the last time you visited World or Oase? World is very very quiet at the moment, the show is over and the dance combo has gone. Oase also is very quiet.
Best line-up: Definitely Palace!
Hessen Bub
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Best line-up: Definitely Palace!
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[QUOTE=Iseeu]Palace with all of the newbie scamming, churn and burn atmosphere and ripoff tactics that have been reported this year, should certainly not be on the 2006 list.
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Haha!! Make a world with this! That's why I've put myself as sole member of the jury! :D
Iseeu, I have a lot of respect for your expertize. However, I'm surprised about your nominee list. Heavensgate and Cocoon are nice clubs and probably the best deal you can get in the Western World. But they remain budget FKK. Regarding the other FKK you have mentioned, I have never visited them, and can only rely on what has been reported by others. There have hardly been any reports about Harem. Peter has reported once about it and mentioned only 15 girls. Regarding Colosseum, Euro had made an enthusiastic report about it as well as Toscana, but both have reported 20-30 girls, so both FKK can not enter in the "40-50 girls FKK" division. Regarding Artemis, you might be right. I have found plenty of reviews with mixed feelings about it and reporting less than 20 girls, but Toscana has compared then to the Frankfurt top three in one of his legendary reports. Unless you apply on Artemis the same rule you have applied to GT by disqualifying it for wrong dressing policy...
Thanks Iseeu, you helped me to build up my to do list for my next FKK tour. you made me curious to find it out myself. :)
I guess there is no better way to start a long discussion than throwing in this thread a personal ranking of the best FKK. ;) Best should be to ask to Jackson to start a poll...
... with two small exceptions:
I'd take Bernds and Goldentime off the list.
This will send the traffic (particularly the newbie traffic) down to Frankfurt and leave the NRW clubs unspoiled and untouched for those of us in the know.
Just my two cents. :-)
If someone without any prior experience goes to World and decides it is the best club in the world and he shouldn't visit any other clubs, that is really just fine with me. (Hehe... )
[QUOTE=Routard]Haha!! Make a world with this! That's why I've put myself as sole member of the jury! :D[/QUOTE]
Well in either case, the jury obviously has a previous bias - you for World, me for Bernd's and Oase. In any case it was a good idea to start this discussion which IMO whould focus on the clubs that stood out in 2006.
[QUOTE=Routard]Iseeu, I have a lot of respect for your expertize. However, I'm surprised about your nominee list. Heavensgate and Cocoon are nice clubs and probably the best deal you can get in the Western World. But they remain budget FKK. Regarding the other FKK you have mentioned, I have never visited them, and can only rely on what has been reported by others. There have hardly been any reports about Harem. Peter has reported once about it and mentioned only 15 girls. Regarding Colosseum, Euro had made an enthusiastic report about it as well as Toscana, but both have reported 20-30 girls, so both FKK can not enter in the "40-50 girls FKK" division. Regarding Artemis, you might be right. I have found plenty of reviews with mixed feelings about it and reporting less than 20 girls, but Toscana has compared then to the Frankfurt top three in one of his legendary reports. Unless you apply on Artemis the same rule you have applied to GT by disqualifying it for wrong dressing policy...
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My point was that we have different criteria for choosing. I don't agree that only a club in the "40-50 girls FKK" division should be considered. If half of the women in a big club give bad service then that club for me only has 20-25 to choose from....If most of the girls in a smaller even "budget club" give great service, and the place has great atmosphere and good value for money, I would choose over a bigger club with hit or miss and inconsistent service, and higher chance of disappointing sessions.
I mentioned Harem with its good facilities, but reported so-so service, to make the point that clubs with good facilities shouldn't automatically make the list. I too have not been there, but it obviously cannot compare with the best clubs.
I have been to all of my nominees this year and they are all IMO at the top of the profession this year. Artemis has made great progress this past year, but you are right that it is not strictly FKK although many of the women are all of the time. Colosseum is consistently good, and deserves high marks for keeping a high service level and Hessen/NRW pricing level even though it is only the beacon of hope in the Bavarian wasteland. Both Heavensgate and Cocoon give good consistent service and keep up a good steady business of returning customers despite the numerous mongering options available in NRW.
So there's no surprises on my nominees list. Of course if any new nominees would like to make my list for next year, I would be happy to consider them if I can get some free samples. I'm not biased, just corrupt :-)
Guys,
This is a great discussion. I find it both educational and inspirational. I hope it continues and that more guys give their input, in particular if ISG legends like Euro100, Toscana, Peter, Dedalus, Chivaz, Jackyo (the complete list, pleeeease!!), Ortos and others will participate.
I regret that my own 2006 FKK experience is limited to the Big Three in Hessen. Hopefully 2007 will bring me to Bernd's and the NRW clubs too (yes, it has become a serious addiction ...). For what it is worth, my list would be something like this:
1. Oase
Consistantly good line-up and unforgettable outdoor memories from spring and summer of 2006.
2. Palace
Guess I have been lucky this year, as I have been able to avoid most of the bad apples. Which leaves me with a dozen highly competent SPs and great memories. Geography also a plus.
3. World
Don't get me wrong. This is a great club. But geography (distance from downtown Frankfurt), a somewhat boring upper level, and ... the Oase girls just won't let me go! ... leaving me exhausted - and happy - all the time, keep me away from World (only two visits in 2006). But I am STILL shaking after the Tornado was all over me ...!! ;-)
I also have a Shark's Top 10 Hessen Babes list here somewhere ....
well, for me it is like this:
gt is great for its pricing structure and is pretty consistent in the lineup of girls. the feeding frenzy around dinner and pizza time is just silly and the wait for rooms in the evening is a drag. the 1 am closing time is also a handicap. the pricing for the second half hour as well as the low pricing on the extras gives you a better chance to just roll with it and be spontaneous. when you are with 3 or more of your buddies, it is hard to find seating inside where you can sit and chat. all in all, i really like this club, and it is great in the summer time. the sheets on the beds are a nice touch. fridays suck big time as it is overcrowded
oase is like an old girlfriend, facilities have seen better times, but always a sure thing. some of my favorites are still there. i also really like this club although i do put towels on the sofas like the girls do (they have replaced the sofas though and done some upgrading of the club)
world is the best one when you are with a group, but probably the most boring one when you are alone. i love this club though and the staff there really does a good job keeping the place in top shape. i have a nice relationship with some of the girls there which makes it a sure thing for a good visit for me.
i used to like palace a lot, and i always have had pretty good sessions there, but i have not visited for a while. i plan to boycott the club due to its price increase. i vote with my money, and my vote will not go to the club with the highest entrance unless it really rocks, and it does not.
tried yin yang for the first time this year and it was pretty good. had great sessions there and the facilities are good. best hot tub / sauna area and great food as well. free energy drinks (red bull replicas) are a nice touch. good club with great potential but in need of a just a little better lineup of girls.
dropped by couple of other clubs but not worth writing home about.
it also depends on personal preferences. is it all about the sex? no, not all. good sex, bad club is a no go for me. bad sex and good club....well, i almost never had that one happen to me. when i visit, i usually meet up with friends from this and other boards and the way the club facilitates in terms of seating, comfort, dining area, food etc. does play a big part in the selection. that is why we often end up at world. yin yang is also good in this regard.
overcrowded clubs are a drag and empty ones can be boring even if there are lots of girls. every club will have one or the other happen to it from time to time and each day can be different.
i have never really had a bad visit. i have only once gone to a club and left without doing a session and that was at flamingo island in summer of 2004. it is a good club though with good facilities and very friendly staff. i just did not feel attraction to the girls there then and was not particularly horny so i just hung out by the pool, ate a pretty good bbq and had a good relaxing time.
so what is the best club? i guess it depends on what is important to each individual. is it public sex, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url], mature girls with great service, voyeurism, budget, facilities, food, outdoor area, gfe, pse, some other e...it all depends on personal preferences. public sex and voyeurism is not important to me so bernds does not have that big of an attraction. i am not overly budget concerned looking for the most bang for the buck so partytreffs also hold limited attraction for me. i can understand these being absolutely fabulous for someone with different preferences.
the thing that would make a club really bad is girls ripping off customers and as it looks like now, seems like palace is getting there step by step going from a good fkk club to a tourist trap.
i have been planning to visit atlantik for some time now as it has a few girls i have been with and i know to be great (like anita and yvette), but somehow never get my ass over there.
for me the best club changes almost with every visit and has a lot to do with my own state of mind at the moment so i just say that the best club is the club i am at that moment.
my best advice: don't overanalyze it, have fun with whatever comes your way in the club, smile and strike up a conversation with your fellow punters as well as the girls and you will have a good time in most situations.
enough of my incoherent ranting for now
chivaz
Hi, guys,
What a wonderful discussion!
I have discovered Fkk clubs this past year. First visit was in late August at Palace, and I'm sure each of you can remember what it felt like as a newbie the first time. :)
So I've been checking out many of the famous clubs in the past few months.
For me personally, the best place is GT – great girls, good pricing, friendly staff, great outdoor. True, the food could be better, and it's getting very crowded. I remember one Friday in October, I arrived at GT at around 3pm – having organized my schedule all week long to be able to get off work Friday 1pm – and guess what, the parking lot was full already.). Still, most of my top sessions took place here, so I'll continue to frequent the place. Maybe try going during the week though that's difficult for me. PHG is also very good, if a notch below GT in terms of girls, imho. But the bar is quite lively, more so than GT, which is very nice. The place also seems to have changing contingents of girls form one country – first time I was there (October) there were 10 Hungarians (out of 40 girls overall), in December it was 10 Romanians. I was skeptical about the Hungarians at first – in the Spanish clubs I used to go the Romanians would always change their nationality (Hungarian, Croatian, Russian etc), but then would speak Romanian to each other:). But these Hungarians were for real (Hungarian is unlike any other European language). Had a wonderful session with red-haired Gavitsa. As I'm usually by myself I the clubs, I had to overcome my initial shyness and talk to other guys in clubs – some people have really amazing stories to tell (just like many of the girls of course). I had a great philosophical discussion covering. Well, just about everything – so who says Fkk can't stimulate your intellect as well as your body?
On the funny side, in Oase I talked to a guy who told me "it's so boring that they only show sports on the TV", I ask him what should they put on, MTV or what? No, he says, politics & news, like ntv (a German news channel)! He must be the only guy. I laughed & suggested he take it up with the Oase management:)
I've had great times in Palace, and the only thing I don't like is that it's too dark inside, it looks a bit like a dungeon. I haven't been back since late November and now Palace gets a lot of negative news on the German forums. The price increase is also bad – maybe they are trying their own version of Mehrwertsteuererhöhung. :). We'll have to see how the situation develops.
What Chivaz says about World being boring when alone is very true. I've only been once (on a slow day) and I did feel bored in the place – the aptly named "airport" hangar. Had two so-so sessions. I hope next time I can do better, another project for 2007.
Fazit: My list for 2006 is (1) GT – (2) Palace – (3) PHG and (4) Oase. Maybe (hopefully) World will be in my list for 2007.
Relax & enjoy
Felipe
On my excursions last year I visited FKKW (5 times), ColA (twice), Malibu (twice), Oase (3 times), Palace (twice), Bernd, Atlantik and dropped about $3k for the hobby there for 36 girls, some of which I had multiple sessions with.
My ranking:
1. FKKW (no surprise)
2. Oase
3. Cola
4. Bernd
And just to add one more spin to the whole discussion, I hobbied in 4 countires last year. I would rate my experiences in these countries as follows:
1. Brazil
2. Germany
3. Canada
4. (after a very large gap) Mexico
Happy New Year
euro
Oh, since one always has to check one's own judgement: I will be at Oase next Saturday and ColA on Sunday, FKKW sometime after that. I'll let you know if my rankings have changed.
Well, I guess this is the one time of year when you try to sort things out a bit and take stock again: get a check-up at the doc, file everything in anticipation of the income-tax declaration, review the career options - if any, survey the past year’s mongering and lay down plans for the coming year at the FKKs and elsewhere. It seems a lot of you guys do exactly the same. LOL. I must admit it is going a bit far, when one's New Year Resolutions include FKK activities.....
I’m not going to join the definitional battle as to what qualifies as an FKK. The ones I went to are either FKK by name, or considered by me to be one, i.e. I get a towel or robe to wear with as much sartorial elegance as I muster (not much, I am afraid), and I then go fishing with lines baited with tempting crispy orange notes.
Visited at least once:
The Hessen Three
Finca Erotica
Bernd’s
Neunkirchen
Artemis
Colosseum
Samya
Prague
I've no really strong preferences, they all have the pluses and minuses. Although I will say that Prague is really dropping off the scale rapidly, and Bernd's have made so much money that they could put a bit back into that worn out infrastructure.
If you're interested in the providers, I kept tally of 58 new FKK girls not including repeats. Alzheimer’s (which I’ve had for as long as I can remember ;-) ) saves me from totalling up how much I spent.
Only five girls got marked with deep yellow last year, which denotes the truly exceptional:
Linda, Neunkirchen,
Celina, Artemis,
Anna, Colosseum,
Veronika, Prague,
Charlie, Artemis.
Note that noone made it to the list from the Hessen Three last year. Quite a lot of other good, lighter yellow, sessions, but you aren’t really interested, I can tell.