German FKK Clubs - Lounge and chat area

I was off internet access so didn't get all your replies guys. Thanks to all, CD, BB, Yakob, Ortos, BB.

I went to GT as I thought you were all right and I should go where I wanted. Anyway she wasn't there even though she had told me should would be. What I did get was a surprise contact, which ended up just confirming to me that she was beyond my ability to sort out. For those who know the girl, I want to make it clear I do not say any word about her except, that she is lovely.

What I do now when I see a girl likes me, is to make an official statement that I don't want any repeat of such things. The trouble is I see in their eyes that this only makes matters worse!

As for rentals. Has nobody ever rented something which they didn't want to return?

[QUOTE=SwingerLover;1467003]FKK Arabella seems to be restrictive about letting turks and arabs in. DFWDude (American) had written a report about how he was refused entry there, just because he LOOKED Turkish.[/QUOTE]Yes, I remember that report and it kind of sickened that someone could have gone to a club based on a report that I had made only to be turned away from the door based on their (perceived) race. Then DFWDude's request for them to at least call him a taxi because he was on foot and had a bad leg was rudely refused. Unforgiveable? Well not surprisingly you immediately removed them from the list of clubs that you were recommending.

[QUOTE=DFWdude; 1353233]Day two my plan was to hit FKK Arabella, based on Myrrhs report of Bryanna and Mikela. I took the DB and taxi (about 20 euro total from Dusseldorf) , I was met at the door by a cute spinner brunette who disappeared as soon as I walked in the door. I was then greeted by a tall older (about 50?) blonde who promptly told me this club "is for German men only", no Turkish allowed. WTF? I am not Turkish! I tried to explain I was from America. But she would not hear it. Her voice was something like a tuba, pretty deep. She went on to say "EF-KA-KA" clubs are for "Germans" only, you go to Eros Center "Red Light" its ok, here no.

There was no point in arguing with her, its a private business and they can run it the way they see fit. I asked her to call me a cab to go back to the train station, and this is what set me over the edge. She said "No-if I call taxi I have to pay commisson.

You are not a customer so no taxi". WTF. Now I am pissed, I have bad feet and there is no way in the world I could walk that far.

I left and went to the Mazda car dealer aross the street who happily called a cab for me.

I will be somewhat aprehensive about putting time and effort into getting to clubs where I will get turned away at the door.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Optimist; 1470643]I went to GT as I thought you were all right and I should go where I wanted. Anyway she wasn't there even though she had told me should would be. What I did get was a surprise contact, which ended up just confirming to me that she was beyond my ability to sort out. For those who know the girl, I want to make it clear I do not say any word about her except, that she is lovely.

What I do now when I see a girl likes me, is to make an official statement that I don't want any repeat of such things. The trouble is I see in their eyes that this only makes matters worse!

As for rentals. Has nobody ever rented something which they didn't want to return?[/QUOTE]Glad to read that your trip went well.

Cheers

[QUOTE=Only Looking;1470251]Hi. I am an US citizen of Indian origin. I have been to most of the FFT area clubs many times and have never noticed any poor treatment in any way. Reading the forums, it seems at several NRW clubs there is discrimnation against brown people at the door. I am not going to debate this, I don't care except to not waste time driving to these clubs. I know the obvious ones to avoid (GT, LR. 39). But here are a few I am considering and would like to know if any are to be avoided. IF it helps. I am in my late 40's clean cut, well dressed and speak English with US accent but no German.[/QUOTE]Personally I understand discrimination. If you are member of a group whose fellows tend to create major problems, it is understandable that people want to be cautious.

I don't feel good when a pit bull owner tells me: oh he is so sweet and does not bite.

I mean certain nationalities would instantly kill their sisters if they found her in a FKK.

But I don't want to discuss this, or else we get into troubles.

How do you deal with these facts?

I think you can actually CALL ahead and ASK. If the policy is legal and official, they will explain.

Good grooming, overdressing help.

I would show my passport before anyone asks, to show you are a US citizen.

[QUOTE=Delta Indigo; 1469577]After fucking hundreds of gorgeous white girls, every now and then I fancy fucking a black girl. However I like the thin slender body type and am not personally fond of massive black asses.

Thin black girls do exist, I have seen them in brothels in Prague and so on. Which FKK do you guys think offers a good selection of black girls?

I have heard Magnum has many black girls, but he line up is horrible and of low quality.[/QUOTE]Go to Brazil!

[QUOTE=Brazil Specialist; 1470884]Personally I understand discrimination.

I think you can actually CALL ahead and ASK. If the policy is legal and official, they will explain.

Good grooming, overdressing help.

I would show my passport before anyone asks, to show you are a US citizizn.

Do you understand discrimination or accept it? If you are a white male, I doubt you understand it. I don't think its "official" policy since at the door they rarely tell you that you can't come in because you're brown. But I am not bent out of shape about it. Even if they let me in to a place where they don't like my color, I would get lousy treatment and service so who needs that. I just wanted to know where I should avoid to not waste time driving around. Having traveled in Asia I know well the kind of xenophobia many cultures have and I don't think Germany is too bad on the scale of things. There are many places that welcome me and my business and I will do that.

Regarding showing passport, thats a good idea and I had actually considered doing that also.

Thanks everyone for your inputs

[QUOTE=Only Looking;1471039]Do you understand discrimination or accept it? If you are a white male, I doubt you understand it. I don't think its "official" policy since at the door they rarely tell you that you can't come in because you're brown.[/QUOTE]When I was a little younger I was routinely checked for drugs, when passing European borders. Even pulled out of trains for them to take my acidophilus capsules to the crime lab.

Young guys seem to be suspicious for drug smuggling. That is life.

If I happen to go the same way as a woman, at night, she gets scared, worried, or even aggressive. As a male, you get discriminated, it would not happen to a woman.

I have been turned away by night clubs, for not wearing the right clothes.

I was not accepted for job interviews for not wearing the right clothes. And yes, I have a religious-like conviction not to wear ties and other uncomfortable inconvenient useless clothes.

Oh yes, and I have been turned away at Thai brothels for locals. They simply denied it was a brothel.

And I have been warned to not even get close to Filipino brothels that cater to locals only. Angeles City had an area at some railroad tracks. It would be extremely dangerous for a foreigner to even have a beer there.


I have been turned down by girls in Help disco, who thought I was a Brazilian because my language skills were too good.


I know in Britain police must search white old white grey haired ladies for possession of explosives, lest they would be accused of discriminating by against young muslim males. These old ladies are searched needlessly, they are a victim of political correctness that says you must not profile the people who statistically commit crimes.

But, sorry for letting myself get involved into an off topic discussion.

Bringing it back to the topic: it is good to know what dress code, what language skills, what appearance is necessary at places we want to visit.

[QUOTE=Only Looking;1470251]Hi. I am an US citizen of Indian origin.[/QUOTE]I guess you'll be fine. Nobody can speak for every woman you encounter, but I never heard about discrimination of Indish (or is it: Indian?) guys. As a door policy I know of discrimination only against Turks and Arabs, respectively guys who speak Arabic.

[QUOTE=SwingerLover;1471402]I guess you'll be fine. Nobody can speak for every woman you encounter, but I never heard about discrimination of Indish (or is it: Indian?) guys. As a door policy I know of discrimination only against Turks and Arabs, respectively guys who speak Arabic.[/QUOTE]This is correct, but many people in Germany cannot tell the difference between a Turk, an Arab or an Indian or a Pakistani or a Bangladeshi. Turks speak Turkish and no Arabic.

[QUOTE=SwingerLover;1471402]respectively guys who speak Arabic.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Yakob;1471619] Turks speak Turkish and no Arabic.[/QUOTE]Yes of course they do, you misunderstood me here. I added the remark only to summarise the other countries aside from Arabia whose native tongue is Arabic too.

And you're right, Germans propably can't tell an Arab from an Egyptian or a Turk from a Pakistani. Which is propably why they are summarily discriminated against. For Indians, the darker skin might actually work in their favour in this regard. I've never heard about any trouble with Indians at any club.

[QUOTE=SwingerLover;1472102]And you're right, Germans propably can't tell an Arab from an Egyptian or a Turk from a Pakistani. Which is propably why they are summarily discriminated against.[/QUOTE]How the hell would you know that? So all Arabs, Turks, Egyptians are discriminated against in Germany?

HB

[QUOTE=Hessen Bub;1472277]How the hell would you know that? So all Arabs, Turks, Egyptians are discriminated against in Germany?[/QUOTE]Not summarily; we are talking about the sex scene here. If a place discriminates, it's usually against Turks. The few where I have witnessed this myself (no FKKs) are not keen on Arabs either. Now I'm not going to name names here, except for one example because the Club is closed: former Swingerclub Spritzehaus112 in Mainz. There was an active dislike of Turks and specifically Arabs at this place, due to past bad experiences. So I can't really blame them for summarial discrimination, if it's based on own bad experience. And I'm absolutely sure that the owner couldn't tell a Turk, an Arab, an Egyptian or an Iraqi apart if they all stood in front of him.

Like they didn't bother to check on DFWDude (American) at FKK Arabella, but simply send him away because he LOOKED Turkish to them.

So I don't think the issue is any different at the FKK- and Sauna Clubs than it is at Partytreffs and Swingerclubs and does of course not apply to ALL such clubs. Treff188 in Eschborn had a vast clientel of Turks and no problems, so I guess FKKs in Frankfurt might be the same. I guess it all depends on the place and if they had previous bad experiences with Turkish guys or other nationalities.

And I admit that I'm the wrong spokesperson on FKKs, since they are not my turf. But since the question has popped up here and there wasn't much reply to it, I added on my 2 cents based on what I know from elsewhere. It would be preferable if people who actually know first hand answered such questions.

[QUOTE=SwingerLover; 1472362]And I'm absolutely sure that the owner couldn't tell a Turk, an Arab, an Egyptian or an Iraqi apart if they all stood in front of him.

Like they didn't bother to check on DFWDude (American) at FKK Arabella, but simply send him away because he LOOKED Turkish to them.[/QUOTE]DFWDude is actually half Armenian.

[QUOTE=DFWdude;1363664]I am Armenian on dads side, Canadian on Moms side. Often though people think I am Italian. Infact one guy at a local bar thinks I'm in the mafia.[/QUOTE]Both Cher and Kim Kardashian are half Armenian as well. I would never have guessed that. It's impossible to tell where people are from how they look so places like Arabella will just turn someone away if they are not sure. Even if they try to prove that they are not Turkish, Arab, etc the club will just invoke the 'Only Germans' rule just to be on the safe side and there is no way back from that one. The club gains 30 or 50 euros by letting you in but may lose much more if they think that the girls / other customers will not be happy.

Also it might be some uneducated Romanian / Bulgarian girl who answers the door who may even have less of a clue than the owner as to what different races look like.

But even if they let you in in you may be left wandering around the place not being able to figure out why all the other guys there appear to be having a good time whilst you are seemingly ignored. Probably too late to get your money back in that scenario.

Looking back on my visits to Arab (ella) I do recall that all of the customers I saw there 'looked' as though they could be 'German', whatever that is (although they did let in one French guy, LOL) , whilst at Villa Venus there was a Turkish guy who I got talking to who said that this place was a favourite for Turkish guys. So clearly there is a difference in door policy between the two clubs.

Different races have bad reputations for different things. English guys like me unfortunately for drinking too much and being loud.

Fairest thing would be to treat everyone as individuals and let someone who is from a suspect race in but warn them at the door with something like "please don't grope the girls without paying for them", for example if you look Turkish and Turkish guys have been known for doing this. Banning totally a particular race or type of races is grossly unfair despite what others might say that it could be considered to be a legitimate 'business' decision.

It is not just the wasted money and time travelling to the place but the 'hurt' feelings as well to take into consideration.

[QUOTE=SwingerLover;1472362]And I admit that I'm the wrong spokesperson on FKKs, since they are not my turf. But since the question has popped up here and there wasn't much reply to it, I added on my 2 cents based on what I know from elsewhere. It would be preferable if people who actually know first hand answered such questions.[/QUOTE]I do consider my information first hand.

HB

The descriptions are ok with some useful info, and not that it makes any difference to me but the surveys are really going way over the top especially as the polling for say oase has closed with just an electoral sample of 15 members. This for me is really funny.

[QUOTE=Hessen Bub;1472406]I do consider my information first hand.[/QUOTE]Yes. I shall think so. Therefore it might have been helpful if YOU had answered the original question: [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3309-German-FKK-Clubs-Lounge-and-chat-area!&p=1467001&viewfull=1#post1467001[/url]

[QUOTE=StarletVoyager;1472503]The descriptions are ok with some useful info, and not that it makes any difference to me but the surveys are really going way over the top especially as the polling for say oase has closed with just an electoral sample of 15 members. This for me is really funny.[/QUOTE]I believe you are talking about the "Venue Categories" forum? Well, the polls are held to determine what type of club they actually are. Since Oase is so clearly an FKK-club with all-naked women around, there is no further use for more survey on that particular club.