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[QUOTE=Schwmmr]I wouldn't go through those places either. What's your point?
The facts are published in multiple press sources.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately there's little point in trying to convince some people of the reality of Colombia. Or evolution.
For some all of Colombia is excessivly dangerous. For others there's no part that too dangerous.
Just let them live, and die, in ignorance.
[QUOTE=Davekphp]Hello,
I am 23 from Australia. I am going to Medellin and Bogata for the first time. Thanks to WT69 I have the list. I do not speak spanish. How badly is this going to affect my trip, and also I am looking for friendly english speaking drivers for both cities. If someone could shed a bit of light on this it would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]Can't speak to Medellin but you can get by in Bogotá without Spanish, but there's no doubt you will be handicapped a bit, but not enough that you'll realise it.
Seek out the wonderful Tatiana who, besides delivering the best blowjob in Bogota, understands/speaks just enough English to make you feel comfortable. PM me for her cell. (She still refuses to pay me commission would you believe?!)
[QUOTE=AddictedToWomen]Unfortunately there's little point in trying to convince some people of the reality of Colombia. Or evolution.
For some all of Colombia is excessivly dangerous. For others there's no part that too dangerous.
Just let them live, and die, in ignorance.[/QUOTE]Very well said.
[QUOTE=Davekphp]Have just watched a doco on "Scopolamine" ([url]http://www.vbs.tv/watch/vbs-news/colombian-devil-s-breath-1-of-2[/url]). Apparently it is used by hookers in Colombia to drug their clients. It is derived from a plant and puts the victim in a chemicially induced hypnotic state, and leaves them open to suggestion. The willing victim then hands over all their shit and in the morning has no recollection of it happening. Sound pretty fucked up, has anyone else heard of it or fell victim to it(is this common)?. Also was very intersting doco worth checking it out.[/QUOTE]The use of "Scope" in Colombia is well documented here and in other travel forums. Any monger coming here that isn't aware of its use and how to try to avoid being a victim of its use doesn't belong here.
[QUOTE=Manizales911]The use of "Scope" in Colombia is well documented here and in other travel forums..[/QUOTE]Actually, I would say the opposite. I have been planning my trip to SA for the last 4 months and have spent sometimes 8 hours a day on ISG browsing through posts and not once have I seen any information on "scope". Also I dare say that there are other veteran members in ISG, that it is new to them too.
[QUOTE=Manizales911]. Any monger coming here that isn't aware of its use and how to try being a victim of its use doesn't belong here.[/QUOTE] If your opinion is based on that fact that someone aware of its use may be able to prevent being drugged, well according to this doco you are wrong. We all know not to leave your drink unattended(common sence), but this stuff can get you fucked up from being inhaled from a distance, let alone having a tiny pinch blown in your face(which is reported to have happened). My point being If this doco is accurate, is that there are virtually no preventable measures that are besides common sence, that will make you not fall victim. That is one of the reasons that it is such a dangerous drug. If you are in a club and you are being targeted, I would say yu wouldn't stand a chance educated about it or not.
Yes well said. That Burundanga sht (like locals know that plant from LONG time ago) is a very dangerous drug. In another countries they just put a knife or a gun in you ribs and you may die easier.
Nobody is 100% save in this world. And if somebody is not aware that ALWAYS are risks flying away from their civilized town, then just stay at home watching TV and ordering pizza. Or Get in a cruise where they treat you like cattle or go to Paris and New York, spend a fortune in over pricing restaurants, take pictures of buildings and live long enough to be a bored sorry ass, for not being man enough to see the world.
Is just my personal opinion, nothing wrong on being happy the way you prefer, I just can't stand being in the tourist sack for more than an hour and I feel like that artificial and boring crap is not for me. I take risks I get deep in the sht sometimes, but boy I have tons of fun, even remembering my very bad experiences, no regrets so far.
I won't lie, Colombia is a very dangerous country, Mexico too, Venezuela and Brasil HELL YEAH, so you want to have fun you have to be ready to eventually have a real bad day, or just don't come and go visit your mama and daddy and play tourist, that way you can even buy Afghanistan and stuff.
En buena onda.
DeAldo
[QUOTE=Davekphp]Actually, I would say the opposite. I have been planning my trip to SA for the last 4 months and have spent sometimes 8 hours a day on ISG browsing through posts and not once have I seen any information on "scope". Also I dare say that there are other veteran members in ISG, that it is new to them too.
If your opinion is based on that fact that someone aware of its use may be able to prevent being drugged, well according to this doco you are wrong. We all know not to leave your drink unattended(common sence), but this stuff can get you fucked up from being inhaled from a distance, let alone having a tiny pinch blown in your face(which is reported to have happened). My point being If this doco is accurate, is that there are virtually no preventable measures that are besides common sence, that will make you not fall victim. That is one of the reasons that it is such a dangerous drug. If you are in a club and you are being targeted, I would say yu wouldn't stand a chance educated about it or not.[/QUOTE]Dave,
You could be correct that "scope" use isn't talked about on this site,I read and contribute to several forums and it is possible that what I have read about this drug has all come from elsewhere,I'm not sure. One site that I ASSURE you it has been discussed about ad nauseum is the travel site Poorbuthappy.
I never said knowing about "scope" could prevent you from getting drugged but knowing about it would help you TRY,key word Dave is TRY. I can tell you that I have been to Colombia enough times in the last three and a half years to fill my passport and then some and can't count how many times I have seen guys leave their drink unattended. It is more common for a guy to go to the pisser without his drink than with it,that is a fucking fact,just because something is common sense doesn't mean people do it. There are many things that I could say here to help you reduce your chances of getting drugged but it appears as though you are convinced that there isn't anything you can do about it,good luck.
I've seen a documentry about it but I have a hard time believing it. Why? I've tried quite a number of potent drugs in my life and I've always had some sense of reality. Even tripping on LSD I was still aware of what the drug was doing to me.
Someone blows a powder in your face and you willingly take them to an atm and do whatever they tell you ? Something seems off.
What I can imagine having the same affect though is giving someone great cocaine earning their trust then robbing them. Coke I believe could have a powerful control over someone. Especially if someone else is controlling their consumption.
Could burundanga be a coke derivative like "perico" which is an altered supposedly more potent form of cocaine sold in Colombia?
By the way I don't do those drugs anymore. It's been a long time!
I don't mean to sound inflammatory but can't you see how this could be hard to believe?
* I do believe in the drugging of victims with other drugs slipped into drinks.
It reminds me of the mexico city story with "knock out " drugs on SW's nipples. If the drug was already on the hooker's nipple SHE would have ingested it by means of skin penetration..true or false ?
La Pepa found in peru is something common but that is also slipped into a drink.
Can any VICTIMS comment on this ?
Here's 2 videos for your answers, a great documentary, check it out.
[url]http://www.vbs.tv/watch/vbs-news/colombian-devil-s-breath-1-of-2[/url]
[QUOTE=Artisttyp]I've seen a documentry about it but I have a hard time believing it. Why? I've tried quite a number of potent drugs in my life and I've always had some sense of reality. Even tripping on LSD I was still aware of what the drug was doing to me.
Someone blows a powder in your face and you willingly take them to an atm and do whatever they tell you ? Something seems off.
What I can imagine having the same affect though is giving someone great cocaine earning their trust then robbing them. Coke I believe could have a powerful control over someone. Especially if someone else is controlling their consumption.
Could burundanga be a coke derivative like "perico" which is an altered supposedly more potent form of cocaine sold in Colombia?
By the way I don't do those drugs anymore. It's been a long time!
I don't mean to sound inflammatory but can't you see how this could be hard to believe?
* I do believe in the drugging of victims with other drugs slipped into drinks.
It reminds me of the mexico city story with "knock out " drugs on SW's nipples. If the drug was already on the hooker's nipple SHE would have ingested it by means of skin penetration..true or false ?
La Pepa found in peru is something common but that is also slipped into a drink.
Can any VICTIMS comment on this ?[/QUOTE]
I haven't been hit myself but I personally know four people who HAVE been, in the past year alone. I assure you it's very real and not a bit exaggerated.
The burundanga/scopolamine issue is a legit concern, but I suspect there's some hype and urban legend attached to all the mystery surrounding it.
The plant is grown near Bogota, so it's quite common in that area. That's why someone like Bango knows 4 people who were scammed with it, as I believe he lives in that city now.
I don't think it's as much a concern in MDE, CTG, or even Cali. As a tourist or monger, I'd be more worried in those cities about a run of the mill stick-up type robbery or paseo millonario. In those cities, just watch your drink as always. We all know that already anyway, when going out; not just in Colombia, and not just when we're mongering. Even in the states, people's drinks get "spiked. "
However, you should be extra careful with everything you drink and eat on your evenings out in Bogota. Never let it leave your sight, and be suspicious of what's offered to you from other people; yes, even trusted companions, as it's possible for them to unwittingly pass something on to you that's not safe. One guy from the pbh site got scoped from drinking some soup that was a freebie offered to everyone leaving a certain club at closing time. Guess who's soup had the special treat inside?
By the way, this advice applies in both the shadier venues downtown as well as the uptown clubs in the zona rosa despite the higher-class people in those venues.
The "blow-in-your-face" or "scope-on-tits" scams sound like urban legends to me, but I'm not completely sure.
Let's think this through together:
First of all, a hooker putting scope on her tits is obviously putting herself in danger FIRST, unless the effect is NOT transmitted easily through the skin, (unlike a more direct route through the tongue or mouth like when you're sucking on something, or eating, or drinking). So if the scope is not easily transmitted through the skin, then touching the powder that's left on a piece of paper or flyer, another common burundanga tale out there, would be urban legend.
Maybe scope-on-tits is feasible. As a precaution, shower with the girl right before the session, which is what I almost always do anyway wherever I travel (not just in Colombia). I much prefer a freshly showered girl for all the obvious sanitary reasons although I know it doesn't exactly equate into safer sex.
You can also just pour some of your favorite heavy booze on her boobs. The alcohol should wipe off any potential harmful substance and add some nice flavor to them.. Just make sure the booze is not hers, or was out of your sight at any time.
Speaking of booze, the most dangerous substance to a monger remains plain old alcohol. I know some guys simply can not monger sober, maybe it's a lingering guilt thing, or they just can't associate partying with being sober, but if you can avoid drinking excessively, that should reduce the chance of bad stuff happening by at least 80%.
As for the "blow-scope-in-your-face" attack, I can't think of a sure way to avoid such a thing so I can only hope it's just an urban legend. There's no sense in worrying over something like that, you'll just go crazy. Might as well then just stay home and jerk off.
However, just in case it is true, the following occurs to me. You should try doing one or all of the following:
1) duck your head and/or your entire body away from the powder
2) cover your mouth/nose
3) don't inhale deeply, try to exhale instead
4) run away! Call for help, but watch out for any possible accomplice nearby; these burundanga scams are usually done by groups, either professional or semi-pro criminals
Finally, if skin contact is a form of transmission, then the "scope-powder-on-paper-or-flyer" attack is another possibility to worry about. This one is even tougher to avoid. I guess you can just never touch anything a stranger tries to hand to you directly. Or wear gloves although Bogota is usually not that cold!. I know when I'm in BOG, I sometimes hold a flyer I receive by the corner edge or I even shake it a few times in a direction away from me just in case there's anything on it. But I must look pretty paranoid when I do that, LOL!
[QUOTE=Artisttyp]I've seen a documentry about it but I have a hard time believing it. Why? I've tried quite a number of potent drugs in my life and I've always had some sense of reality. Even tripping on LSD I was still aware of what the drug was doing to me.[/QUOTE]not that I proud of it, I have been pretty drug fucked myself. One night I foolishly took a shit load of xanax. This drug effects your memory to the point that you can't remember that you just dropped one 30 minutes before. So I had another one etc etc. Apparently I left my mates house at 1am, next thing I remember is waking up in a service station 6am(I only know this because of the police report), 100km from my mates, 1 thong on my foot, a meatcleaver hanging out my pants with a security guard on top of me and a shit load of cops TRUE STORY. No shit even to this day I have absolutely no idea where the 5hrs went, where the meat cleaver came from, how I travelled 50km and where I lost one of my thongs. I don't even know why I was even in the service station. So take it from me it is definatley plausable some drugs are HARDCORE
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Someone blows a powder in your face and you willingly take them to an atm and do whatever they tell you? Something seems off.[/QUOTE]Looking back at my form with the incident in the servo. Definately plusable
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What I can imagine having the same affect though is giving someone great cocaine earning their trust then robbing them. Coke I believe could have a powerful control over someone. Especially if someone else is controlling their consumption.
Could burundanga be a coke derivative like "perico" which is an altered supposedly more potent form of cocaine sold in Colombia?[/QUOTE]If it coke you will remember it.
[QUOTE=Artisttyp] I don't mean to sound inflammatory but can't you see how this could be hard to believe?[/QUOTE] No. I travelled 50km, lost 5 hrs, accumilated a meat cleaver, lost a thong and then ended up in a service station on the floor with a security gaurd on top of me. Enough said
[QUOTE=Artisttyp]Can any VICTIMS comment on this?[/QUOTE]I haven't been a victim but looking back at that fucked up night at the service station, this is definately plausable. DEFINATELY
[QUOTE=Manizales911]. It is more common for a guy to go to the pisser without his drink than with it, that is a fucking fact, just because something is common sense doesn't mean people do it.[/QUOTE] Maybe my common sence reaches futher boundaries than these people you decribe that come to Colombia, or maybe they just have none all together. Another possability is they have no idea about drink-spiking. Maybe these are the people you say "don't belong here" because I know for certain how to not get drugged by GBH or Rhohypnol and end up chopped up in a dumpster. Gaurd your drink. A foolproof measure like this (if the doco is entirely correct) to prevent falling a victim of scope is impossible. Sure there are somethings that could help protect you, but these would be common sence for anyone with their head screwed on. But there is no way you entirely avoid the possibility of falling a victim. So. As stated by you "Any monger coming here that isn't aware of its use and how to try to avoid being a victim of its use doesn't belong here" is absolute rubbish. It should say "Any monger coming here that isn't aware of being drugged up, robbed, beaten and then thrown in a bin and how to try to avoid being a victim of this by using common sence doesn't belong here".
[QUOTE=Bango Cheito]I haven't been hit myself but I personally know four people who HAVE been, in the past year alone. I assure you it's very real and not a bit exaggerated.[/QUOTE]I went to [url]www.Nih. Gov[/url] and wikipedia to see what they had to say. Apparently scopolamine has several legit uses. Wiki mentions that shaman in Colombia have used it for a long time but it didn't say much more.
It can also be used to battle opiate/alcohol addiction and as a recreational drug like LSD.
Wiki is usually spot on and Nih. Gov is probably the most informative medical site online.
[url]http://www.vbs.tv/watch/vbs-news/colombian-devil-s-breath-1-of-2[/url]