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Hi, has any one stayed in the privacy suites at soi 20. I have seen the websites and looks good. I gave them a email regarding the guest joiner fee and got a reply from the hotel that they don't charge anything. Has anyone stayed recently? I have rtff but found nothing. They have a 50 square meter junior suite with a jacuzzi that I m intrested in. Any help would be appreciated regarding the location and rooms.
[QUOTE=Bowerboy; 1288636]Just my own opinion but I think marrying or seriously dating a bar girl or hooker is a terrible state of affairs.
Firstly there is just absolutely no need to do so as you can find whatever you need among the civilian ranks including the porn star experience.
Secondly how would it make you feel to unequivocally KNOW your entire life that without the money coming she would not be with you. Constantly having the hand out for money and the way those requests will start to come with contempt and expectation like it is their right. Knowing that you are nothing to her apart from a means of income and she would drop you like a turd in a punch bowl the moment the money stops.[/QUOTE]You are fucking right dude. I must admit that a couple of weeks ago when Nic put up that post about Craig's List I decided to do some researching of my own. I went on and saw one chick who wanted a serious relationship and even posted pictures on the site. I thought that nobody is going to put their real pictures up on CL. When she finally wrote me back she asked for pictures and after that started writing me from an alternate email address. I was damn near sure it was a scam then. But lo and behold she came to see me yesterday when she got off work just like she said. She has a university degree (saw the graduation pics) , a good job, and a new car (walked her to it). She just wants a serious relationship. All I got yesterday was a couple of pecks on the lips. I think she is trainable though. She wrote me today and sent a picture that we had taken together. Hello How aer you? Where are you now. Bangkok / Pattaya. I go home ____ city. I nice to meet you. And you? Tack care
Mr. E,
Trainable? I think not no more than you yourself can be trainable? Just remember it doesn't come free? There is always pain? Just remember no choking!
LBM
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1288536]We agree here, some guys really get suckered. In the Bars (at the beginning) everything is all Glitters and Gold, guys barfine the first girl that sits on their lap and fall in love with them. These girls are slick and they can smell a newbie a mile away.
Getting away from P4P, If you love a lady I don't see why social status should matter.[/QUOTE]Nic, I think that a bit of common ground when it comes to value systems is a must. People tend to gravitate to folks from their own social class for that reason. I'm not sure if I consider that social status.
[QUOTE=Bionicman;1288585]Will she find an interest on the average farang (who initially came to Thailand to bang girls as available for cheap, are much younger than him and are, due to the nature of the generic asian women DNA accomplishing and serving the man)?[/QUOTE]I think you have to be realistic. If you are in your 40s or 50s you can probably land a nice looking educated gal in her 30s. There are lots out there who are career minded and have not taken the time for relationships. Being a "working woman" is becoming quite popular in Thailand, eschewing relationships for a career. But, then the nesting instinct hits in the 30s and at that point a Thai guy is out of the question. Having a gal that is self-sufficient, is educated, and can hold her own in a conversation has its merits. They are still Thai though.
[QUOTE=Bowerboy; 1288636]Just my own opinion but I think marrying or seriously dating a bar girl or hooker is a terrible state of affairs.
Firstly there is just absolutely no need to do so as you can find whatever you need among the civilian ranks including the porn star experience.
Secondly how would it make you feel to unequivocally KNOW your entire life that without the money coming she would not be with you. Constantly having the hand out for money and the way those requests will start to come with contempt and expectation like it is their right. Knowing that you are nothing to her apart from a means of income and she would drop you like a turd in a punch bowl the moment the money stops.
OF COURSE there are exceptions to every rule and I fully accept that yes you could find a diamond in the rough. But why even bother when there is simply NO reason too. Surely if you can choose non prostitute over prostitute and get exactly the same benefits without the negatives then wouldn't you just do that.
Nothing turns my stomach more than seeing the triumphant bar girl going to the bar with the farang in tow and the new born baby. And what do you tell your kids anyway when they get older?..[/QUOTE]Indeed, the above relationship sounds crazy, and it is difficult to understand what the guy might be thinking.
As to your question of "why", I would offer the possible explanation that some times things "just happen".
Here I am not talking about pregnancy, but sometimes relationships that start out as quite superficial end up becoming more. E.g., the girl is one of several you see now and then. There is no sponsorship or pay for services involved, but sometimes when you go to the cinema, or to a restaurant, you might give one of the girls a ping and hear if she wants to go with you, if you want some company. When she's free, perhaps she gives you a ring to hear if she can come over. Or are you hungry? She's around your place and buying some take-away. She can pick up some fish for you if you want.
Perhaps you're pretty clear regarding that the relationship will never progress further than that, due to whatever reasons. As you keep seeing different girls however, perhaps you start to enjoy the company of one more than the others, and perhaps you start to weigh the pros and cons of things you like about her and things you do not. At this point, you're obviously quite a bit past the "we only meet for sex" stage, and you might even start referring to her as your gf. Continue down on that slope for another year or two, perhaps combined with your own desire to have a family and children eventually, and you might end up becoming married, with children, to somebody who is pretty far from what you thought you would ever marry.
Planned? No. But some times things just happen, albeit slowly.
[QUOTE=Bowerboy; 1288636]Just my own opinion but I think marrying or seriously dating a bar girl or hooker is a terrible state of affairs.
Firstly there is just absolutely no need to do so as you can find whatever you need among the civilian ranks including the porn star experience.
Secondly how would it make you feel to unequivocally KNOW your entire life that without the money coming she would not be with you. Constantly having the hand out for money and the way those requests will start to come with contempt and expectation like it is their right. Knowing that you are nothing to her a.
Nothing turns my stomach more than seeing the triumphant bar girl going to the bar with the farang in tow and the new born baby. And what do you tell your kids anyway when they get older?
Again I say all this in the context of KNOWING that it is just not neccessary to take a prostitute for a wife or girlfriend. Morally I am not opposed but it just baffles me as to WHY you would do it. It is just such an utterly false and completely unfullfilling solution.
There is a very famous ex bar owner (I don't know him but his kids go to the same school as my wifes cousin who fills us in on the gossip) and he is loaded now but always wanted kids. A wealthy and handsome guy who speaks good Thai and has been a bar owner for years. Instead of taking the time to find a nice girl and start a family he has (I guess) become so jaded that he put out word that he wanted to meet any woman to have his kids and he would pay an agreed amount of money per month to her (100, 000 baht per month, plus a nanny to take care of each kid).
So the chosen lady is pure trash in my opinion. Comes into the deal already pregnant but doesn't tell him. Kid is born and he accepts this. Second kid he thinks is his. Kid is born and obviously its not his (proven by paternity test). Third kid finally is his. He loves all 3 kids and takes care of them which is nice. The girl is out every night at Q Bar fucking loads of other guys. No interest in the kids who all have their own nannies and she lives rent free with 100, 000 to spend per month.
I see that story and it indicates everything wrong about spending too long around the bar scene in Thailand. Totally jaded and not prepared to even try and so decides to just buy what he needs because that is what he has come to know. I guess he is happy but certainly that situation wouldn't work for me.
Stay in Thailand too long and the biggest mistake you can make is to lose touch with reality and whats "normal". The most "succesful" (as in well integrated and happy) people I know here are the ones who never lost touch with reality and maintain certain standards in their work and personal life.
Again to be clear, I am only saying this because there is simply NO good reason (with some exceptions as in all things) to go down the hooker relationship road. For a couple of hours of fun yes. For anything more then its just insane. It takes such minimal effort to pursue nice girls here. There are just SO many more girls here than guys and all the girls know it.
Its such an utterly superficial world. In 7 or 8 years here I have never even come close. I don't even like long time![/QUOTE]For some people they do not distinguish bargirl and normal girls. The fact that a perticular girl has fucked for money do not bother them. In fact even after marrying if the girl contues to fuck other people do not bother them either. It is not difficult some some people to fall in love with bargirls. So they marry. Some succeeds and some fail like regular relationships.
As to the guy who got rich and wanted kids, this is what he wants. There are numerous people who have adopted kids (Angelins Jolie?) and support them and treat like their own kids. It is not like this guy has to work hard to feed the mother and kids.
In your mind this may not be a ideal situation but as long as the guy is happy about it it is fine.
Two posts of a few lines as an answer or a comment have been quoting the whole message they refer to. No wonder why sometime people skip to RTFF if he hsa to go through pages of quotes taking so much (useless) space. Guys, please do cancel most of the quoted message and leave the esential, if ever needed. There is even a quick link function on top of the quote for thsoe who want to read the whole quoted message.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;1288772]I think you have to be realistic. If you are in your 40s or 50s you can probably land a nice looking educated gal in her 30s. They are still Thai though.[/QUOTE]Maybe I am confused by the average farang I see strolling in sukhumvit with a girl in tow. And wodnering what can such a gal (the one you refer to) possibly find in those chaps, those eventually looking for a thai wife. Definetely we also talk in a very generic way, no doubt.
[QUOTE=Sammon;1288786]For some people they do not distinguish bargirl and normal girls. The fact that a perticular girl has fucked for money do not bother them.[/QUOTE]Why would it bother them? Weren't they customers of the said bar when they met the girl? Probably fucked her a couple times too. There is NO difference between a Bargirl and a Customers! One fucks for money and the other pays to fuck: SAME SAME.
How can a guy look down on the girl after that? After all, he also most likely fucked a lot of girls himself.
[QUOTE=Bowerboy;1288699]There is a gender imbalance in Thailand with women far outnumbering men.[/QUOTE]The initial numbers don't matter. It's gays LBs and Monks slightly balanced by guys with multiple wives. Plenty of girls left over for Farangs Japanese etc. However need to consider the lesbians too.
hi, i thought i'd provide what seems to be a rare thread occurrence these days: 'a field trip'. planned on getting a spread of experiences with the limited time:
day 1: high-end soapyatcaesars in ratchada. high-end. 4200b for 90mins (plus 500 tip girl & 200 papasan, drinks 2*50). real cutie: long legs, cute body, excellent service. luxury surroundings, clean, big bath, nice bed with good lighting, etc.
day 2: cheaper massage, phrom phong, side soi of sukhumvit soi 26. friendly & straight. 2100 for 90mins (plus 200 tip). simple room & bed with noisy ac. did the job perfectly.
day 3: bargain basement bj bar: [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]: sukhumvit soi 8. 2nd sub soi by 7-11. first customer that evening: 800 bj (also 'boom boom' for 1200 available). cute face, stumpy legs, but hey, when kneeling she did the business.
day 4: luck dip: back to ratchada to 'copa cabana' ratchadapisek soi 17, mrt sutthisan, next to poseiden. choice of girls for 2100 or 2800, all-in. i went for a 2100 who caught my eye. luxury room & bath, girl was a marketing graduate & sooooooooo good. extra 500 for girl for real good service & 100 for papasan.
conclusions:
why go to phrom phong when same price for copa cabanaatratchada for far more luxury & higher end girls?
really wanted the air mattress full body massage but didn't get it in any of them, but still got smile on my face!
bangkok, it's a crazy place but you still can't beat it!