Kyiv

Clubs are a big waste of resources and time for normal girls they just not available for foreign guys, as Riina said and I have said many times in the past. The only thing that will work in meeting them on the street or paying.

Just brought the rate down to 120,000 uah / 5 days through negotiations with agency.

Still overcharged of course, but a good start. You have to learn to bargain, or they will charge you whatever price they want.

[QUOTE=AnthonySun1996;2237529]Long time no see gents.

I was offered through my local agent that a girl I have met before would accompany me for whole 3 days plus on night at a charge of 120,000 grivnas. The girl I'm talking about is a solid 9 by my standards. Blonde, 5'11', aesthetically sized boobs, long legs, attractive body. 120,000 grv is not a great deal for me, but I just want to know if it is a fair price, or I'm being overcharged.

BTW my previous account had been invalidated for unknown reasons so I registered a new one with the same username. Any ideas why it happened?[/QUOTE]

I agree wholeheartedly with your assessment of Kiev, and your attitude towards the girls. If I could figure out how to send a PM I would ask for your Consolidation agency name. Thanks.

[QUOTE=PhotoSlider;2239795]Mostly agree on the above. This is applicable to mamba and other sources, when single girl arrives for check-in.

I simply relied on my somewhat trusted consolidation agency (crowd sourcing) operators to send two attractive classy ladies picked on my behalf from multiple locations. 9 out of 10- the girls were very much fuckable and more. 2000/ HR + 100 taxi fare. Once 1700 was provided and I regretted, but didn't pay.

Upon delivery transport arrival, I went downstairs for an initial assessment inside the cab or next to it on a sidewalk. If I didn't fancy the candidates I gave 100 UAH and sent them back. If they were rude, or late or any other unjustified reason- I sent them back without even a 100 taxi fare. Some objected, to no avail.

About 30% of them did DFK. 30% ended up allowing DATY for free. One did BBBJTCWS without telling her name or discussing anything, she simply smiled and did it. Two more did it after I learned their stage and real names.

I am not young, and not exactly fit. I treat the ladies with respect though, make sure every single one enjoys the encounter, and as a result, make the most out of it for myself.

Kozerog calls me (and some others) overly optimistic, and that's certainly fair.

Bottomline, I do not care about face on the picture that much. Decision is made when taxi arrives. Sometimes both girls are different from what has been ordered, and I do not care)).

At least a dozen girls were extremely good looking and even better as performers.

I do not think me being native speaker was a decisive factor. It did help. More than that did my reputation with consolidation operators.

One gentleman on Forum here followed the advice and invited Mika in August or September, and didn't like her. My mistake for sure! I had Mika in November 2017, and that's too long even for a semi-pro. My operators attempted to provide newbies, and that helped. I did have one ex-GF staying with me for a week, but mostly it was a revolving door. I think chances were skewed in my favor by:

1. Established reputation with agency. Operators felt safe sending the girls to me.

2. Adequate financial resources and realistic expectations.

3. Clear communication on what type of ladies I wanted.

4. Help from Senior Forum members for multiple hours stays.

5. Positive attitude. I was cautious, but didn't think of every girl as a cheating liar. On the contrary, I was respectful to most of my lady visitors, unless they perceived my politeness as a weakness and an invitation to fuck me up.

6. Ability to tell the taxi driver (or selfish girl already in my bed) to fuck off, when it was obvious that nothing good will happen.

7. Juggling multiple candidates for important occasions. Better to say "Sorry I can't tonight" to all of them except one, than jerking off alone, or being forced to call GIA-KEC at the last moment. BTW, I didn't contact GIA-KEC on this visit.

8. Knowing Kiev culture and local language.[/QUOTE]

Hey guys,

I bought a trip to Kiev thiinking it would be a mongering paradise.

After going through many pages in this forum I realized what I had done.

So there are basically no reliable alternatives to GIA or strip clubs?

All the escort sites are basically filled with fake profiles?

No street hookers whatsoever?

Has any forum member had experience in this hotel? Any reviews regarding its girl-friendliness and safety?

It is located on an island in Dnepro River.

Mongering in Kiev is not as easy as it used to be of course, but still of a lot of fun compared to other European countries.

Have you done the RTFF? This great forum has helped me a lot to save me from unnecessary disappointments.

[QUOTE=Dinheirama;2240437]Hey guys,

I bought a trip to Kiev thiinking it would be a mongering paradise.

After going through many pages in this forum I realized what I had done.

So there are basically no reliable alternatives to GIA or strip clubs?

All the escort sites are basically filled with fake profiles?

No street hookers whatsoever?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=AntonySun1996;2240451]Has any forum member had experience in this hotel? Any reviews regarding its girl-friendliness and safety?

It is located on an island in Dnepro River.[/QUOTE]They never asked my girl (s) about the passport. It's a good budget solution. But the area is quite dark. And especially in the winter very cold (the river).

Don't ask the reception to call a taxi for you. You will get a special price.

[QUOTE=Misterxxx;2240525]They never asked my girl (s) about the passport. It's a good budget solution. But the area is quite dark. And especially in the winter very cold (the river).

Don't ask the reception to call a taxi for you. You will get a special price.[/QUOTE]You mean the girls are not required to register at the reception? Can I take them to my room without any why? No bribes for the security needed?

I don't mind if the surrounding area is dark or not, as long as it is safe, since I will be spending most of the time indoor.

Is this residence girl-friendly?

[QUOTE=Mahew22;2240431]I agree wholeheartedly with your assessment of Kiev, and your attitude towards the girls. If I could figure out how to send a PM I would ask for your Consolidation agency name. Thanks.[/QUOTE]You need to figure out how to pay for membership, then you can send PMs. Then I can share the number.

There was one more factor: I stayed multiple weeks, in fact this visit lasted over a month. I also stayed few times before. Each subsequent visit was longer and longer. I had contacts for 6 ex-GIA girls, and managed to meet only one. She stayed for 2 weeks, but didn't behave up to specs, and ended up leaving abruptly. This proved that as great as GIA (or ex-GIA) is, there are better options in Kiev.

[QUOTE=AntonySun1996;2240560]You mean the girls are not required to register at the reception? Can I take them to my room without any why? No bribes for the security needed?

I don't mind if the surrounding area is dark or not, as long as it is safe, since I will be spending most of the time indoor.[/QUOTE]Hot inside the room. Even in the very cold winter. Nobody asked about the passport. I guess they are happy to have clients during the low season.

There is (was) a strip club on the boat. But no nice girls. The club might be closed (again).

[QUOTE=AntonySun1996;2240451]Has any forum member had experience in this hotel? Any reviews regarding its girl-friendliness and safety?

It is located on an island in Dnepro River.[/QUOTE]Hotel reviews are here [URL]https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Hotel_Review-g294474-d1724308-Reviews-Bakkara_Art_Hotel-Kiev.html[/URL].

Strip club complete with a Pimp and escorts according to some reviews.

Their use to be a time in Kiev when fall would bring reports from traveling hobbyists. Now, it's just a dead zone here.

[QUOTE=Riina;2241153]Their use to be a time in Kiev when fall would bring reports from traveling hobbyists. Now, it's just a dead zone here.[/QUOTE]A London Cockney Monger would've told you, Fings ain't wot they used to be. LOL.

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOKudfonfRU[/URL]

[QUOTE=PhotoSlider;2232886]Have a short message that I cannot send you.[/QUOTE]Back from Prague and the coast is now clear.