Jakarta

[QUOTE=Sychip1;2951934]I disagree, for example if you give the MMS requirements you can only say so much. And even if the girl ticks all your boxes, you're under no obligation to take them to the room, if you sense a bad vibe or slight reluctance with what you're saying. Like I was there tonight and I asked if they would be ok with DFK, I remember there was one who said yes but it was kindof through gritted teeth. I think for most people you need a bit of chemistry, that's someone's prerogative after all. I like a girl with flat stomach and no love handles, if I call her to the table but found the outfit actually hid them well, do I still take her? Of course not.

I was there a bit earlier tonight at 7 and it was better for sure. I was a bit more proactive as well, I would walk near the entrance as if I just walked in, that's where the MMS are and I would ask who's in charge of_ And then point to the sofa that had some girls who were my type, then use Google translate to tell them you want to see a lineup.[/QUOTE]I'm not saying you can't screen. I'm saying if you have them sit at your table for 20 min over a drink and grope them then its expected that you will take them. If the vibe is off you will know in the first few minutes and there is no need to buy a drink and can reject them. Guys, this is a 25 dollar fuck, to expect perfect models providing every GFE service is not reasonable. This and people refusing to tip at all even for decent service is a level of meanness and cheapness that I find hard to comprehend. If you want pre selected girls for looks and service go to a high end spa and you will pay 3 x as much but get exactly what you want.

[QUOTE=Gabacho;2952107]But why would you tip if she threw you off of her while you were trying to finish? Isn't a tip usually meant to be a reward for good service?[/QUOTE]I read his comment not as she threw him off of her, but rather her acting job took him out of the headspace he was in and took him out of the moment. I'm guessing it was good service aside for the poor acting, hence the tip.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2952145]Went there today Friday 9:00 pm. Walked halfway down the walkway and it looked dead as in I saw 2 people and one was a security guard. Asked him if there were girls and he said the club is closed. But that did not answer my question. Club or no club I did not care. Girls or no girls is all I care about. So I asked again are there girls and motioned with my hands "F-ing". He said no. He said there is a hotel and I think he said apartments. I have walked past the walkway / alley several times and never saw anything to grab my attention to walk down and check it out until you guys mentioned it.

About 4 streets north of there is Jeruk XX which is a short dead end street before the main street (Raya Mangga Besar). There is a bar at the end of that street on the right side. You can read the 'Royal Mas' sign when get half way down. 15 girls. They looked a little big. One looked interesting but I was done for the night so not paying close attention. Mami outside said 400 k and I gave her a look and she changed the price to 350 k. But in reality it just may be 300 k.

Next street going south is Jeruk XIX which has a bar Mari Enjoy on the left side about 20 meters down with 13 girls for 300 k. Dump of a place but I found 3 girls I liked there. Two girls 3 months ago and the next girl a few weeks ago.

Many of the bars listed on Google are out of place and non-existent.

Sychip1. Your post sounded as if you have a girl sit with you and you feel up her body and tits for 10 minutes knowing she is not the one you want but using her for a cheap feel, and then return her for another. That would be bad if that is what you are doing. You should pick a girl to chat with and if she seems like a good fit then feel her body up a little to check if she if fat and then proceed to a room.

Uphill69.50 k tip for the waitress was very high. I think 5 k would be the correct amount. 10 k max. No tip for the girl you just had sex with in comparison was a big mistake. I F-ed up too. The aircon did not work so I was too hot and could not cum. I worked the girl until times up so only gave her half the tip I should have which I regretted soon after leaving the building. I looked for her the next day but no idea which mami and no idea where she sat to find her. It sucks but it happens.

Gabacho. You should leave a 50 k tip if she does a decent job. Condom or not.[/QUOTE]Definitely not, I've never felt up any girls boobs in the club, I would normally just put my arm round them gently and just chat to them like a normal club situation. If a girl is a bit reluctant or standoffish I would sense the vibes and just chat to them whilst keeping my distance.

And there's been times where I told the girls I will just keep looking, made hand gestures if they didn't understand and they still hung around I guess to try and convince me and the MMS would be telling them to stay.

I've been to Classic 3 times this week and had a 3-some twice, I don't think that's someone who is just browsing for the sake of it. And the time I didn't pick a girl I did mention in a report that it was a bit late, got quite busy so perhaps the best girls were taken already. And I'm not a big fan of choosing a girl if she's just come back from a session with someone else.

[QUOTE=L00PY;2952163]I read his comment not as she threw him off of her, but rather her acting job took him out of the headspace he was in and took him out of the moment. I'm guessing it was good service aside for the poor acting, hence the tip.[/QUOTE]Indeed you read correctly, good service overall.

As loveithere69 says, 50 k tip to waitress was too much, I had started out giving her 5 k but she kept bothering me, with the 50 k she was kissing my hand was super attentive which can be helpful when it's busy, but still too much.

I'm of 2 minds on the girl tip, I come from a culture of non tipping, so I occasionally get my priorities mixed up, standard service in my head means no tip, service above means think about tip, but here standard or good service is actually IMO service above the normal and I should be thinking about tipping.

A couple other thoughts on the night, my grab ride to classic appeared to be with an off duty / ex police man he had a uniform on the front seat, inc high vis, badge on the dash and his car was fitted with horns and lights which he used to push through traffic at certain points, made for an interesting ride.

Also as I was waiting for my grab to leave, spotted another Anglo on his way out, we give each other a nod and a hey, solidarity in minority 😆 only the 2nd white guy I've spotted in classic this trip, we knew what we were about, following the same hobby, anywhere else and we'the barely notice one another.

[QUOTE=LoveItHere69;2952145]Went there today Friday 9:00 pm. Walked halfway down the walkway and it looked dead as in I saw 2 people and one was a security guard. Asked him if there were girls and he said the club is closed. But that did not answer my question. Club or no club I did not care. Girls or no girls is all I care about. So I asked again are there girls and motioned with my hands "F-ing". He said no. He said there is a hotel and I think he said apartments.

Many of the bars listed on Google are out of place and non-existent.

[/QUOTE]Thanks Buddy. So the bitter fact is that old famous Illegals is no more in the scene. I loved B Fashion in west. Last time in Feb also I visited that place. Even though the place is diminishing its charm, its still worth a visit. Two group of girls there. One will do massage and FS others only FS. Last time one girl came to my room after her term in the spa. B Fashion hotel is in its downhill. I first experienced the Dutch Wife concept in B Fashion. He he.

So this morning I woke with a sore back, it happens, went for a swim at the pool to try and loosen it up, worked a bit but still aching so I though I'the get a massage, I had tried one external to my hotel the other day and it was meh (but cheap, like 125 for an HR, so I got what I paid for.).

Anyway decided to try the hotel spa, they were offering a discount too, I was just looking for a vanilla massage, but apparently all the spa rooms were occupied so they offered to do it in room, sure why not I did not want to wait and hour or two for a room to free up.

I head to my room and chubby but cute therapist arrives, I confirm a 90 min massage, she sets up the bed and I hop on in my underwear, as I'm expecting this to be vanilla she starts off with the fabric cover kneading away, she has good strength and I like the pressure, moves on to oil and then asks about removing underwear, and now I'm thinking hey ho, here we go, continues and excellent massage, has me flip and then works the inner thigh nice and high, now being relaxed I have an involuntary reaction and get a little rise, she keeps going for a bit then quietly asks if I want the special massage, ok I'll bite, so I ask how much, 500 k, well that's to much fo me, I could get 2 girls to give me more than a HJ at classic for that, so I offer 300 k, she thinks, then agrees, this will be my first in room special massage.

Anyway her technique was ok, I've definitely had better, she went at it with multiple speeds and grips which kinda slows things up and her arms were getting tired I think we were going for 20-30 minutes, but she got there in the end.

So excellent massage for 420 k.

Above average HJ 300 k.

[QUOTE=Uphill69;2952273]I head to my room and chubby but cute therapist arrives, I confirm a 90 min massage, she sets up the bed and I hop on in my underwear, as I'm expecting this to be vanilla she starts off with the fabric cover kneading away, she has good strength and I like the pressure, moves on to oil and then asks about removing underwear, and now I'm thinking hey ho, here we go,

[/QUOTE]Just a FYI: oil massages, which is what the regular massage in Indonesia is based on my one single experience, is normally naked except for a towel to kind of cover genitalia, and breasts for women. The simple reason for this is that nobody wants to wear underwear sticky with oil when leaving a massage shop after the massage.

Well said.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2952153]I'm not saying you can't screen. I'm saying if you have them sit at your table for 20 min over a drink and grope them then its expected that you will take them. If the vibe is off you will know in the first few minutes and there is no need to buy a drink and can reject them. Guys, this is a 25 dollar fuck, to expect perfect models providing every GFE service is not reasonable. This and people refusing to tip at all even for decent service is a level of meanness and cheapness that I find hard to comprehend. If you want pre selected girls for looks and service go to a high end spa and you will pay 3 x as much but get exactly what you want.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Werqweq;2952382]Just a FYI: oil massages, which is what the regular massage in Indonesia is based on my one single experience, is normally naked except for a towel to kind of cover genitalia, and breasts for women. The simple reason for this is that nobody wants to wear underwear sticky with oil when leaving a massage shop after the massage.[/QUOTE]Eh this isn't completely accurate. Many a times the massage spa will hand you a disposable brief that's tightly bunned up in an individually wrapped package about 1 inch diameter by 3 in long. You strip naked and put this one size fits all brief shaped gauze around your goodies to avoid getting oil on any of your clothes. This is Jakarta. In Bali, those tourist robbing places just have you go naked or wear your own undies because they're going to try to upsell the crap out of your for a handjob.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2951807]Thats not cool. If you bring the girls to your table you should take them to the room unless there is some deal breaker, which you should find out in the first couple of minutes. Bad behavior like this will make the girls more mercenary. Please don't spoil the playground for the rest of us by giving all Bule a bad reputation.[/QUOTE]I saw a couple of posts after this one criticizing that Expat's admonishments were too much. At first I thought that the criticism was simply rude and an ahole thing to say. But to be fair I don't know how Jakarta operates. I've seen a table full of local Indo guys sit with pretty girls and buying them beer and feeling them up for a loong time. No idea if they ever tipped or went upstairs with them. And if I never found out the answer, I really don't care.

As far as the practice of feeling a girl up before the deed, I do what Expat does. I test the waters for two minutes and if I'm not getting a match up in energy, I release her back to the goldfish bowl.

The first few times I started trying this out it was pretty awesome. MMS introduced me to a pretty young girl and we went to introduce ourselves privately at a tall table in the corner. She stood right in front of me super close and we gently kissed, little tongue to tongue teasing, my hands were all over her everywhere and she only started to gently nudge my hands back when I tried to slip my hands into her panties. I took her upstairs.

The opposite was one time I was trying to get some good feels and this girl was a hockey goalie. I mean she pulled out defender gloves and just wacked every hand motion I had with a deadly counter. Any attempt I made to get my face close to her face was responded to with a look of disgust. Thanks, but if this is how you're persuading me to take you upstairs I already know the next hour is shit.

My favorite was a young 19 year old beauty. First month at classic and she later admitted that she was having a super slow night and simply was out of money showing me her last 5 k in her purse (this was after the hour spent upstairs). But in our introduction she really sold it and seemed to genuinely like me or did a hell of a job pretending to. Gentle kisses were received and responded to sexily. I mention this episode because I was getting such good milage caressing this girl that a few minutes in I found my hand up the backside of her skirt, palm inside her panties cupping her bare ass and my finger 3 inches in her butthole after it was lubed wet with a ton of excessive wetness dripping out of her the few minutes we were playing together.

That session went over the top upstairs, I tipped her 600 k, got her digits, and she's a friend with benefits at this point.

[QUOTE=Zippos;2951766]Have a back up of a back up. These horny Jilbabs often disappears at time of meeting. But by the sound of it, you have done your leg work well.

Have fun and enjoy Jakarta.[/QUOTE]Hence living next door to emporium LOL.

Don't want to Jinx it for you but I stayed at Luminor for 4 nights and due to sickness and work commitments, didn't get to go to Emporium this time at all. Hopefully this doesn't happen to you.

[QUOTE=Rajdasking;2952647]Hence living next door to emporium LOL.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=BenderOver;2952624]Eh this isn't completely accurate. Many a times the massage spa will hand you a disposable brief that's tightly bunned up in an individually wrapped package about 1 inch diameter by 3 in long. You strip naked and put this one size fits all brief shaped gauze around your goodies to avoid getting oil on any of your clothes. This is Jakarta. In Bali, those tourist robbing places just have you go naked or wear your own undies because they're going to try to upsell the crap out of your for a handjob.[/QUOTE]LOL. You are right. I now remember a girl telling me about those disposable underwears for oil massages a few years ago in Bangkok. I'm thinking they have to be a somewhat recent invention, as before that I'd never heard of the thing, and back when I did get an oil massage now and then (I now only get thai massages), I was never offered a pair.

[QUOTE=BenderOver;2952634]I saw a couple of posts after this one criticizing that Expat's admonishments were too much. At first I thought that the criticism was simply rude and an ahole thing to say. But to be fair I don't know how Jakarta operates. I've seen a table full of local Indo guys sit with pretty girls and buying them beer and feeling them up for a loong time. No idea if they ever tipped or went upstairs with them. And if I never found out the answer, I really don't care.

[/QUOTE]There is an option to just keep the girls for drinking companions. I think it costs the same 375 K. Some locals just want company and don't want to fuck. Its not a free hour of drinking and groping in any case.

[QUOTE=ExpatAmerican;2952700]There is an option to just keep the girls for drinking companions. I think it costs the same 375 K. Some locals just want company and don't want to fuck. Its not a free hour of drinking and groping in any case.[/QUOTE]That was correct last time I was there. 375 k whether you took her to a room or just kept her for company.