Bangkok Reports

Thanks DT, I missed Ning from Baccara because she came late. I could not resist taking another one who seemed THE ONE at the time, although I did get a glimpse of Ning just before I left. She walked in.

I am a usual Indian around 5'6" clean shaven (no facial hair) , not fair, do not use hair gel (which gives a lot of other-Indians that you describe a more chic / smarter look). Accent comes into play when someone talks to me. No one came up and talked to me. That said, I look very much INDIAN, and proud to be one. Just realized that I did not see any Indian around the Rainbow and other bars in the last 2 nights. Which is quite telling in itself that the Indians probably go somewhere else, or they know that this place is not appropriate for them. All that said. Having lived in the States for a decade+, I do have smart clothes that I wear rather than loose shirts and pants that most Indians stroll in as if Nana Plaza was their backyard. No offence my countrymen!

O well, on second thoughts. The 55 from Baccara that I still did last night did have a smoking hot bod. Enough to leave me no desires for a Tulip or Nataree trip today afternoon! Still got a couple hours to decide though.

Other thought I had is to pair up with a Farang the next time I am in town so I get at least a fraction of dues that a Farang commands with ZERO efforts!

Any other advice fellas?

[QUOTE=Der Tourist; 1291052]Interesting read, Rbamane.

So did you get that girl (Ning) from Baccara? Or did you get some other one?

Anyway, it's a bit unfortunate with the treatment you have described in some situations.

I know it's not news that Indians do get discriminated in BKK and especially in go-go bars. But may I ask a few things? What 'kind' of Indian are you? Not that this matters to me but I just wonder what exactly makes them take such decisions regarding discrimination? I have some friends who are of ethnic South Asian origin but are born in Europe and apart from some of their ethnic visual attributes that they can't escape are not and never consider themselves to be 'Indian'. As far as I am aware they have never had any problems visiting go-go bars or any other places in BKK and get the same treatment as Farangs (not as Japanese though, obviously). Do you have specific accent, appearance (such as mustache?) , style or anything else that makes then identify you as 'Indian'?[/QUOTE]

I think you are right. A lot of tidying up counts when you are not a Farang. May be I should also get my tiny paunch in shape. Still I may not be able to compete with a 60 year old Farang with a waist size of 50". No offense.

[QUOTE=Chill Out;1291091]Rbamane, the way to diminish these problems is to dress as smart as you can. White guys may get away with shorts and a tshirt, but you should make more effort. It helps.[/QUOTE]

Perhaps. Were you with someone? I saw 2 men take one of my other crushes from the parking lot. And return back in 45 minutes.

Never been to Pattaya. Next time!

[QUOTE=Pointy Stick; 1291060]Hey Rbamane,

You probably watched me trawling the Nana parking lot last night! Sorry to hear about you woes though and I faced the same kinda difficulties. Got the price down from 1500 to 1200, pay in advance to the mama-san and again in the room and then in the room the girl tried to spring the covered BJ trick on me. She also tried to ask for a 100 baht tip for ok performance. Maybe, for better or worse, I give off the aura of a accomplished monger so they know that kind of behaviour will not be tolerated. It was a lot better last December so maybe the girls are a lot more desperate in low season. At this point Pattaya seems to be my preferred mongering destination.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE] I look very much INDIAN, and proud to be one. Just realized that I did not see any Indian around the Rainbow and other bars in the last 2 nights. Which is quite telling in itself that the Indians probably go somewhere else, or they know that this place is not appropriate for them.[/QUOTE]Rainbow generally does not allow certain kind of people inside. Indians are one of them. If you got in with all your Indianess as you described you were probably lucky. Although I have also noticed that Indians are not much into Go Go scene mainly because not many let them in and they prefer the WGs on street!

Since you brought it up. I want to chime in.

Of the Indians that I have talked to (I love talking to strangers hanging outside in the Nana parking lot, and they enjoy too. Brit, Aussie, German, etc.) in the parking lot. Most complain of Go-Go having higher prices and from the sounds of it. They almost sound like they want a free fuck, sad. I know its sad. But that's the sense I get. And hence the cheaper WGs on the street!

Can't blame the bars to ban Indians who are stereotyped into such Cheap Charlie category or worse! If only they understand that there could be exceptions. It would be awesome. Thanks. I do think it was some accomplishment to become friendly with "T-J" the main bouncer at Rainbow4 and a few servers inside. They were cracking jokes with me about how none of the ladies want to go with me and sympathizing with me at the same time. Which was a more welcome treatment than being shunned away like at some other places.

[QUOTE=Horny Landoora;1291098]Rainbow generally does not allow certain kind of people inside. Indians are one of them. If you got in with all your Indianess as you described you were probably lucky. Although I have also noticed that Indians are not much into Go Go scene mainly because not many let them in and they prefer the WGs on street![/QUOTE]

HL. You sound like an Indian from your handle (Landoora part). Are you?

Ping me and if you may, provide me with some mentoring if you are successful.

[QUOTE=Horny Landoora;1291098]Rainbow generally does not allow certain kind of people inside. Indians are one of them. If you got in with all your Indianess as you described you were probably lucky. Although I have also noticed that Indians are not much into Go Go scene mainly because not many let them in and they prefer the WGs on street![/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Rbamane;1291041]Needless to say that the reputation precedes a person anywhere, good or bad, right or wrong, true or false![/quote]I fully agree with this. UNFORTUNATELY for us Indians this is all for bad reasons so far.

[QUOTE=Rbamane;1291041]Met few other very rich Indians at my hotel who told me of how great a service they got from Europeans, Americans, Thai, etc. On their private rented yacht from Koh Samui where they basically had a great party for 8 hours non-stop out on high seas! Well, may be that's when you get good quality service when you blow up 8000 US $ in 4 nights (that's what they claimed) , if you are Indian.[/QUOTE]This is the face of new emerging India. The overnight turned millionaires are coming to the party. I wish and hope for more of this so that people change their mindsets! Although with Bangkok remaining a cheap destination there would always be diverse people with different economic backgrounds visiting but I hope the good word spreads so that atleast the good kind are not discriminated against!

EDIT: Many here would complain that they would drive up the prices, although to think of it when you have money and the girls have a mindset against you she would only go when you pay more. So either you can sulk for being Indian and shag alone or overpay and bang the hell out of her!

[QUOTE=Rbamane;1291102]if you may, provide me with some mentoring if you are successful.[/QUOTE]This is a learning experience for me as well. Everyday I learn a new lesson in my mongering adventures. Although am no expert on Thailand scene as many others who are more active here although for next time if you go to any Go Go for better service tag along with some Farang Group. This helps you blend in and the Go Gos generally do not create much a hassle and girls are more forthcoming! Since you like BOOOM BOOOM POW then try some clubs like CM2, BOSSY, SPICY, CLIMAX etc where also you would find girls willing to go out with you for BOOM BOOM after the POWW! Sometimes you do come across gems but beware of Katoeys (Lbs)

[QUOTE=Rbamane; 1291041]I have heard, seen and experienced racism in the past in EU, USA, etc. But never the kind of blunt and straight one that you can get in BKK!

This is a different kind, not the exact one you see in EU / USA. Although the cause of it is perhaps the same. Let me explain with some examples.

On Day 1:

Flight landed late so I was late into my first club, reached around 1 am to Raindow4. I was stopped at the entrance by the bouncer, I asked him how much, he said 300B, I said OK with 500B in my hand. Then he escorted me inside and seated me at the very rear with a mandatory drink order for 145B. I happily paid it and waited for my drink. When it arrived, I moved around to get better looks. Unfortunately, did not like any one there at that time. All the good ones were gone or busy with Farangs. Mandarin did not let me enter. What the heck!

Spent time there till 2 followed by couple hours in the Nana parking lot watching one of the most interesting phenomena in the world!

On Day 2:

I first went to Baccara following DT's advice. Waited for 'abc' but she never arrived and before that. 055 caught my eye because of her better than average dance steps. My fantasy to take one of these ladies to a good dance club took precedence and I got her to my side. Got her the 2 drinks and BF'ed her. Just when I was walking out, 'abc' walked in and mamasan told her that I waited long for her. She had this confused look. LOL. I made sure that my lady of the night was aware of my requirements to eat dinner, dance for couple hours. Boom boom (pow?) and then boom boom in my room. We went into the Little Italy or some such big place. Had a good thin crust pizza, she had 2 slices, I had a few and then we took taxi for the clubs I was at. Came to Soi 11, it was 21. 15. Q Bar was open but the DJ would arrive only at 2300, so went into BED across Aloft. But it was dead too. As luck would have it this upset our plans. Till this time, my lady was being the perfect GF as can be with all the funny gestures that she can do all the time. I enjoyed that part.

As a last resort we decided to go back to my room in Aloft and rearrange the schedule with the boom boom first and then the boom boom pow. She actually played nice hiphop sings on her phone speaker the whole time. So that was awesome on her part, I think. It does set the mood differently. We danced for a few minutes in the room on her songs. But later she also started complaining that she doesn't want to dance and wants to go back to Soi Cowboy right after boom boom. Pissed me off but maintained my calm. Any ways, after a little back and forth, she agreed to go back to the dance club after boom boom. We started off well, did not have shower (mutual choice) , but was a bad decision. She refused to suck. Hardened me by hand, directly condomned me and started riding. Mish for a while, doggy for some more time and I finished in her. Kinda quick? Yea. May be. She did have nice tits, said no silicone, but I am pretty sure it was. Hey what the heck. Sometimes that's what satisfies the "whatever" in you! If it did not work why would they do it.

Then we showered and dressed, I paid her and we went down. She did not feel like in a mood to really dance. And it was still not 11 meaning the crowd had still not build up. So I just let her go wherever. Immediately she was on a bike behind a guy on her way. Funny setup with these motorbike guys who 'chaperon' these ladies real fast from point A to point B. Then off I went up to Rainbow1 following Der Tourist's recommendation on the 18 year old from there. I was not allowed to enter. Despite showing that I had money in my pocket. On major requests, the mamasan came out and I requested for the # that DT has indicated in his report. Mamasan came back after 5 minutes with the lady, she gave me a quick (real quick!) look and went in, the mamasan said. Sorry no lady and went in. I was shown the way by the doorman.

Mandarin repeated its response by not letting me in. No problemo! I tried to enter Mandarin based on Der Tourist's tip about his gem from there. Nope, the lady mamasan did not let me wander near the entrance and asked me to go away. Fine, I let my real brain think and walked up to Rainbow4. Rainbow4 bouncer now knew me from the previous night and recognised me. But still took me to the very rear and made me order a drink for 145B which I happily obliged. When my drink arrived, I repositioned myself to a better seat. Now the fun begins. I got pally with a couple bartenders (ladies hanging out bringing drinks) and was joking around with them. Then I asked for 005. She looked like someone from my past who I would have loved to have suck my cock (pardon the raw language). She was messaged by the bartender, she walked half way to me, gave me a look and ran away laughing. The bartender had been telling me that no lady will go with Indian from any of the Rainbow bars. That's what I was seeing in action. Explaining that I have the money, am clean and from the States did not budge their opinions, sad!

Anyways, she was sympathetic towards me. Which doesn't help but I appreciate the niceness. Then my mind went up with 112 which met with the same fate! Couple others also met the same fate. It was 1 am and then I went to my favorite spot. Outside on the parking lot to watch some live scenes. Met a couple of interesting people, one from Germany. We chatted a lot about travels and places around the world. That was so cool! Met another Indian who explained to me why my fate was what it was. The kinda bad things some Indians do spoils name of all others. Needless to say that the reputation precedes a person anywhere, good or bad, right or wrong, true or false!

By the time it was 3 am and I was watching the hookers on the street hunting for punters. I don't know why but I paid for 2 ladies buying grilled meat on skewers. Twice, total of 100B. Just a gesture of kindness for no good reason. Little later, one of those ladies approached me asking if she can come with me. I told her, its upto her if she wants to or not. We decided to go back with no talk of money. On the way when I asked her questions I was told how she needs to take care of a baby, mom, brother, sister's 2 kids. All by herself! Anyways, I knew that even if this did not go well, I would have helped someone in need because I will pay no matter what!

Interestingly enough, that's how it turned out. We were separated right from the get go. Came to room, showered separately, on the bed, not a great body but fine. Refused to BBBJ, condomned and sucked for a few min, rode for a few min, then complained tired and asked me to come on top. I was tired as heck being out all evening and night and did not want to do the work. I called it off and gave her about 1200B (all I had in change) , she demanded 1500B. Handed her over my pants and asked her to check the pockets for anything she can take, of course she did not check. Neither was there anything in them! Then she asked for US $ if I had any and I lied to her that I did not. I am good but not God.

Off she went and off I slept. And now its this morning.

Kinda making decisions in my head after my experiences and reading the white mongers' reports that the kind of fun that they have and the quality of service they receive. Is not meant for people with faces that look 'Indian'. While joking with me, the Rainbow4 bartender told me a bunch of times that even though you have come from America, your face is Indian. So no lady go with you. True. I still remember the best GFE I got from a Viet from OT (Singapore) long back for all night at a great 250S$ (about 6 years back). How I knew it then that it would be the best I would get for a good part of my life.

Sympathizers. Do share bits of advice if you got any for me, not sure if I can do much at this point, since I leave today and would be a real hard sell for me to decide coming back to BKK for mongering. But I can always use tips on a future trip. May be different cities to go to or different places to try out. Met few other very rich Indians at my hotel who told me of how great a service they got from Europeans, Americans, Thai, etc. On their private rented yacht from Koh Samui where they basically had a great party for 8 hours non-stop out on high seas! Well, may be that's when you get good quality service when you blow up 8000 US $ in 4 nights (that's what they claimed) , if you are Indian. O well. The world still goes round and life continues. Enough of my rant and thoughts.

Happy Mongering to one and all! Toast![/QUOTE]I find that you really take all this, as abhorrent as it is, with utmost dignity.

Unfortunately you are not helped by some (only a few) guys on this forum (no need to name, they will recognise themselves) who perpetuates the anti Indian ramble.

Being white, I have no advice to give you, alas.

Where else to go? FKKs in Germany, for instance, will never stop you to get in, and out of the 100+ girls in a club like Oase, more than half will be happy to go with an educated, clean, pleasant Indian guy.

[QUOTE=Rbamane;1291041]We started off well, did not have shower (mutual choice) , but was a bad decision. She refused to suck. Hardened me by hand, directly condomned me and started riding.[/QUOTE]Fuck me dead! You started as badly as possible. You take no shower and expect a blow-job. I started feeling for you till I got to this part. Look the shower is 100% mandatory. Its not acceptable in Thailand to be unwashed.

I suspect she never really wanted to do LT. Many Bacarra girls are into quick turn-over. You didn't say what you intended to pay for what was clearly going to be more than ST. My advice is never take a girl to restuarant and dancing etc, until after you have had sex and confirmed a good chemistry going between the two of you. Then you get to offer the girl various things like dinner dancing etc, and she will either wish to dissappear quickly or if she is liking you and money is right, she might agree. I have found with some girls the chemistry starts building from the 2nd time we go together, and she is realising that I open to her wishes and not putting her under pressure.

I almost never take a girl more than ST on first time unless the chemistry is something exceptional.

[QUOTE=Rbamane;1291041]I have heard, seen and experienced racism in the past in EU, USA, etc. But never the kind of blunt and straight one that you can get in BKK![/QUOTE]It sucks to hear about your experience but as a black American I may be more qualified than many other members to give you advice. I've been travelling SE Asia for about 8 months, doing plenty of mongering along the way, and I have only faced a small amount of discrimination from working girls. Most of the discrimination has been in places catering to a certain type of local man (in Penang I was turned away from a health club because all of the women were PRC and wanted only PRC / Indian / Malay men). When it does happen I just remember some words of wisdom: "Vote with your wallet." In other words if I am turned away or get a you might not be welcome vibe I walk away and tell everyone I meet. For example, because of your report I will probably not go to any Rainbow clubs even if they would let me in.

I've found that some places the women make deals regarding price, what type of men to go with. However, these deals are like battle plans, they often fail when put under stress. In some places I've been limited in choice because some women think my dick may be too big or there are easier customers around, but in most cases there is always someone who will go. Sometimes all you have to do is ask a friendly bartender or waitress which girls rarely get bar fined or who is likely to go with you. As a rule there is nothing wrong with them but maybe they are older, fatter, less social, speak little English. In many cases they are more than overjoyed to go with you, especially if you put in a little time to do some rapport building (this is easier at hostess bars than go-gos). At times it is also good to show up a bit late, especially if you know that some girls don't usually go with Indians. As the night goes on the desperation tends to set in and from what I understand it can get pretty bad preceding Buddhist holidays and at certain times of the month.

Your experience with the Baccara girl had a lot with you trying to get an escort experience out of a go-go girl. It is fairly well known that some go-gos encourage the girls to go with as many man per night as possible so finding one to be your girlfriend for the night might be tough. If you want that kind of experience you are probably better off using an escort service or finding a girl via a dating site before you get to town. If you want a go-go girl to be your girlfriend for the night you should make sure that she works at a place that encourages / allows the girls to limit themselves to one customer a night. Another thing you should do is make sure to spend some time rapport building. That may mean that when you meet her you buy a few drinks and tell her that you want to barfine her the next night but you want to go out dancing in addition to sex. You're asking the girl to spend not just a lot of time with you but to be with you in a social setting where she may see people she knows, so it is important that she like you in a certain way. Just my two cents, but you should always ask the girl to shower first and you should shower as well.

As I have said before, many of the working women go for the men who are easiest. In places like Nana and Soi Cowboy that generally means the men who are obviously on vacation and willing to throw around a large amount of cash in a short amount of time. Many of the women seem a bit ignorant and tend to traffic in stereotypes. Most of the stories involving men who send gifts, give sponsorships. Talk about older white European men so women looking for that favor those kinds of men. Hanging out with a group of them may or may not help your chances of getting the girl that you want. From my reading and limited observation the additional social capitol you may get from being in a group is probably wasted in a places like Soi Cowboy and Nana. I would imagine that going out with a group of white guys will be of limited value to you unless they speak Thai or you really enjoy their company.

If you go back to BKK you may want to consider getting your jollies at a place other than the go-gos. There are plenty of soapys and other places where the ladies will happily give you enthusiastic service for about the same price as the go-gos. A guy once told me about a place called Eden or something that he described as two hours of sexual gratification that will give you a lifetime of memories. You may also find that scratching your itch early in the day makes going to Nana more enjoyable because if you find one you like and she goes great, if not you've already had one.

I don't really see the point to spending several thousand US dollars in a few days because I really don't think you will get that much of a better experience. If you just have that kind of money to blow then go with God, but I think it's wasteful. Show me a guy who has 8k to blow over 4 days in Thailand and I can probably help him have an amazing 4 days with about 4k to spare.

Next time get out of BKK. Based on reports here and talking to people on the ground, many women in BKK and Pattaya come from places like Isaan and Surin. IMO, the girls in Udon Thani were probably as good looking as most of the girls at Soi Cowboy and Nana (let's be honest there are very few who are drop dead gorgeous and most Thai women between 24-34 tend to show the same signs of aging) and more fun. I could show you girls in Udon who will happily dance the night away with you and all you have to do is pop a bottle of whiskey, in some cases they won't even ask you to pay a bar fine (although you may pay for sex at some point). Many of them were just as much into having a good time as they were into making money. I can also show you places from Cambodia to Vietnam where they care more about how you treat them and if you will pay than the color of your skin. I've also found that in some cases where only certain girls will go with me, those have been the ones who have shown me the best time.

As far as the racism goes, remember that many SE Asians seem to live in a bubble where if they don't see something it does not exist. This seems to make it easy for them to believe in stereotypes that may or may not be true and to lump people together. Although there are some Indian men who nurse one drink all night, I've also seen white guys sit for 2 hours with the same coke. I saw a white guy in Cambodia spend 40 minutes fondling a girl and never buy her a drink or leave a tip, but at another bar in Cambodia I met an Indian guy who bought drinks for several of the girls. I had a girl in Laos say she has never gone with a black guy because someone told her that 10 years a go 4 Africans took a prostitute to a hotel, she died while they were fucking her, they kept going then left the money and her dead body in the hotel room and were never caught. To any educated person this makes no sense for a number of reasons, but she never saw a need to question the story or to believe that all Africans would not act that way. It sucks where you are hampered by a stereotype but all you can do is be yourself and hope that the people you meet are enlightened enough to see you for you and not a member of a group.

If you're game maybe we can keep in touch and maybe at some point we'll be in SE Asia at the same time. Although BKK shows a high concentration of beautiful women, there are far better places in SE Asia as far as price, attitude, experience. You should be heartened by the fact that Indians have been around SE Asia for a while so trust me there are many places where you being Indian is far from a handicap.

Hi,

Has any one stayed in the privacy suites at soi 20. I have seen the websites and looks good. I gave them a email regarding the guest joiner fee and got a reply from the hotel that they don't charge anything. Has anyone stayed recently? I have rtff but found nothing. They have a 50 square meter junior suite with a jacuzzi that I m intrested in. Any help would be appreciated regarding the location and rooms.

[QUOTE=Horny Landoora;1291098]Rainbow generally does not allow certain kind of people inside. Indians are one of them. If you got in with all your Indianess as you described you were probably lucky. Although I have also noticed that Indians are not much into Go Go scene mainly because not many let them in and they prefer the WGs on street![/QUOTE]In a few months I might browse around lower Sukhumvit with a couple of Indian friends, one is long time European based and another one is a very reliable chap, fully classy. And well funded by his job. I have warned them. In a polite way. That they might encounter difficulties here and there in being accepted. So they are aware and cool about it. The "European" one could not believe me. The other one was already aware, mentioning that this is often due to some misbehaviour from some of his co-nationals. For reasons often stated here. We'll see how it develops. If it happens I will not fail to report the outcome, as observed from a "white" eye.

Dignity. Yes, I have a lot of it. No f*ing thing in the world can break it so easily. Thanks for recognizing it!

On the contrary. I try to be cheerful in the midst of all this and keep people around me happy. That makes me happy.

Those ladies will never realize what they lost, and they are not to blame either. Once a lady is me, she usually tells me that I have been the kindest and most gentle with them in a looooong time. So I know that for a lady to not get me is not mine, her loss. If that is compared to a rough fuck that some men may force down them. Which I am no one to judge / comment on, just mentioning this as the feedback I receive from the ladies!

[QUOTE=Dreams; 1291149]I find that you really take all this, as abhorrent as it is, with utmost dignity.

Unfortunately you are not helped by some (only a few) guys on this forum (no need to name, they will recognise themselves) who perpetuates the anti Indian ramble.

Being white, I have no advice to give you, alas.

Where else to go? FKKs in Germany, for instance, will never stop you to get in, and out of the 100+ girls in a club like Oase, more than half will be happy to go with an educated, clean, pleasant Indian guy.[/QUOTE]

I know, I know. Made a mistake. I guess the way it turned out is she took off her clothes and I did too, in the heat of the moment we started caressing each other on the bed with the assumption that we will shower. Gradually it went to the extent that she wanted to ride me. Could be her ulterior motive was to get the job done quicker! I take full responsibility for missing that "step of the procedure".

Yea. The big question I had was where is the OT equivalent where you can actually get good LT?

Thanks for educating. I did not know that the other BF-stuff comes after the first fuck! Seriously! I thought this extra stuff would make her feel comfortable with me and I was certainly trying to be nice to her genuinely after all the name damaging done to my tribe. But I should clarify that I had explained to her through mamasan that we would have dinner, dance for 2 hours and then have sex. So that was very clear to her!

O well, every experience is a learning one.

Thanks for your support.

[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1291156]Fuck me dead! You started as badly as possible. You take no shower and expect a blow-job. I started feeling for you till I got to this part. Look the shower is 100% mandatory. Its not acceptable in Thailand to be unwashed.

I suspect she never really wanted to do LT. Many Bacarra girls are into quick turn-over. You didn't say what you intended to pay for what was clearly going to be more than ST. My advice is never take a girl to restuarant and dancing etc, until after you have had sex and confirmed a good chemistry going between the two of you. Then you get to offer the girl various things like dinner dancing etc, and she will either wish to dissappear quickly or if she is liking you and money is right, she might agree. I have found with some girls the chemistry starts building from the 2nd time we go together, and she is realising that I open to her wishes and not putting her under pressure.

I almost never take a girl more than ST on first time unless the chemistry is something exceptional.[/QUOTE]