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[QUOTE=StRobert;2888312]and you won't have to visit the Hong Kong club.[/QUOTE]Right here in the USA. I met one of the "employees" of Sheri's here in Vegas for dinner a couple times. Gorgeous. Was in their calendar, clean, not anything like HKTJ. Personally I'm heading for Colombia again. Not just for the women. Valle del Cauca is stunning.
Chicken Ranch.
Sheri's Ranch'.
Alien Cathouse.
The combo of my deadpan expression and my fake enthusiasm, I think, conveyed the message I wanted to convey.
[QUOTE=FlawlessZeal;2888238]Why not just say, "Yeah, that's not my style. "? That's not going to start a fight, but also not giving tacit approval. It's not the strongest response, but if he gets that reaction enough, he might question his outlook.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Rambo1969;2888295]I was once having tacos at a cart when a guy followed another out of the club and was ready to beat the other guy because he saw him dis-respect a gal.
He confronted that guy, etc. I stepped in and told the guy that he made his point and did a nice thing but that he should now stop. He eventually stopped.
So. My point is there are also guys there who will not tolerate others mistreating a gal (if they see it).
I do understand the abuse in discussion here is the stuff behind closed doors in a hotel room.[/QUOTE]Some 10 years ago on Pattaya Thailand an Australian spittle was abusing a working in a bar treating her like she is his slave, calling her unmentionable names while his two before he threw money at her while his friends were laughing about it. A nearby Latino American person who was watching this at the bar approached the man and asked him to apologize to her because what he was doing was extremely rude. A fight ensues and the American grabs a knife and stubs the Aussie multiple times puncturing his lung and kills him. Turned out the American was a released long time inmate for violent offense.
There is abuse going on. I do not discuss what I have seen because I do not want low life punks aware of what they can do.
It is also why I think guys who go down there, clean, treating the ladies with respect and not being a cheapa $$ get OUTSTANDING service. I do not know if these girls like sex or if they acting but if it is acting then they should get an award for how good they do it. I do not see anything like it in the USA. I do not have the greatest looks but the locas in Mexico treat me like a king.
[QUOTE=Guardman;2888057]In my 24 years visiting Tijuana, most people I met were really respectful. However, on my last adventure I spoke to man at the bar that was telling me about some really strange abusive stuff he liked to do. When I didn't agree with him and his perspective he started to get hostile with me. So I do believe there is a sizeable contingent of men that mistreat the girls once in the room. They are just not usually in the circles I run in.[/QUOTE]
Was there a couple weeks ago. The first young hottie I got a drink with wanted 150. I gave her a chance asking her what services she does. She said nothing special that is the rate. We parted ways after one drink.
Found many others willing to take $100 or $120 in HK, Tropical and Chicago. Not sure why that girl was stuck on 150. Saw her a few times with guys drinking beer. She was really good looking. Never saw her go upstairs.
The first girl I agreed to go up stairs asked for $100 but earned more. I am willing to pay more but the loca needs to earn it with service. That first one was a dead fish in bed for sure imo.
[QUOTE=VegasGambler9;2887283]I've heard prices have changed at Hong Kong. What's the average price the girls at HK are asking for? Is it still around 80 to 100?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Hadez;2889127]There is abuse going on. I do not discuss what I have seen because I do not want low life punks aware of what they can do.
It is also why I think guys who go down there, clean, treating the ladies with respect and not being a cheapa $$ get OUTSTANDING service. I do not know if these girls like sex or if they acting but if it is acting then they should get an award for how good they do it. I do not see anything like it in the USA. I do not have the greatest looks but the locas in Mexico treat me like a king.[/QUOTE]This is pure gold. I'm fat. Old. And ugly. But I treat the girls with respect. Some guys will never understand how it works. And typically men that feel the need to demean women like that have major issues. It's sad and pathetic.
I'll say this, and I know this is foolish or even comes off as some faux bravado. But guys, I do think we have somewhat of an obligation to police it. I'm not talking about vigilantes or people going looking for that. But when you see it, you got to say something. No one deserves that, least of all women that are generally trying to entertain us. Though it's not as evil, I liken it to underage stuff. Our "hobby" won't ever be accepted by a majority. But for many reasons, we don't need to condone some of the general assumptions.
Rant over.
[QUOTE=Hadez;2889128]Was there a couple weeks ago. The first young hottie I got a drink with wanted 150. I gave her a chance asking her what services she does. She said nothing special that is the rate. We parted ways after one drink.
Found many others willing to take $100 or $120 in HK, Tropical and Chicago. Not sure why that girl was stuck on 150. Saw her a few times with guys drinking beer. She was really good looking. Never saw her go upstairs.
The first girl I agreed to go up stairs asked for $100 but earned more. I am willing to pay more but the loca needs to earn it with service. That first one was a dead fish in bed for sure imo.[/QUOTE]Or she doesn't want to be there.
I would think that a chica that does want to be there and earn would figure out real fast that her price is too high. However, the fastest way to put off a monger is to quote a high price and not negotiate. In my case, no matter what her reason, I would have walked away from her without trying to negotiate.
[QUOTE=ABAJoeSmith123;2888066]Sure, they can circulate a text or photo via whatsapps as much as they want, but honestly it wouldn't do anything. Club has too many patrons for anyone to remember anyone. In the dark lighting and crowd of a Saturday night, unless you're a celeb, you will never stand out. You will just blend into the crowd of 100's of other similar looking men. I wouldn't put a single dollar on the "educated" staff there to reliably watch out for offenders on a whatsapp text that chicas circulate among their own small meaningless circles. It's as meaningless as those "wanted" criminal photo shots you see at airports or border crossings; everyone looks the same and you'd never be able to pick out anyone in a crowd.[/QUOTE]I've known friends to have their photo or video taken by random chicas and it does circulate quite fast if they truly want to find you. I didn't know about the WA chat groups until you actually see the correspondence between all the chicas. My friends are random dudes that don't stick out and are not celebrities. Just normal dudes, but when chicas want to know if you are in the club, then they will find out if a few of their amigas are at work. You can see them randomly in the club with their phone stuck to their faces eyeing the clientele. If they see someone they know or a friend's lover, then photos and videos circulate.
[QUOTE=Zenduka1;2888474]Some 10 years ago on Pattaya Thailand an Australian spittle was abusing a working in a bar treating her like she is his slave, calling her unmentionable names while his two before he threw money at her while his friends were laughing about it. A nearby Latino American person who was watching this at the bar approached the man and asked him to apologize to her because what he was doing was extremely rude. A fight ensues and the American grabs a knife and stubs the Aussie multiple times puncturing his lung and kills him. Turned out the American was a released long time inmate for violent offense.[/QUOTE]I've seen a group of Thai motorbike guys beating down a falang for disrespect. It is a common scene anywhere in the world. You don't know who anyone is and could potentially result in a hospital visit or the morgue depending how far they want to take it. It could be a member of the cartel, mafia, triad, yakuza, etc. Just have to be respectful and know your surroundings.
[QUOTE=KBToys;2889147]I've seen a group of Thai motorbike guys beating down a falang for disrespect. It is a common scene anywhere in the world. You don't know who anyone is and could potentially result in a hospital visit or the morgue depending how far they want to take it. It could be a member of the cartel, mafia, triad, yakuza, etc. Just have to be respectful and know your surroundings.[/QUOTE]Totally. As a rule you stay out of trouble in foreign countries. Not everybody likes Americans and many like to put us in our place and would relish the opportunity.
As a guest in a country your job is to put money into the economy, enjoy your time, and pillage their women. Anything else is no go zone.
[QUOTE=Aviator400;2889140]Or she doesn't want to be there.
I would think that a chica that does want to be there and earn would figure out real fast that her price is too high. However, the fastest way to put off a monger is to quote a high price and not negotiate. In my case, no matter what her reason, I would have walked away from her without trying to negotiate.[/QUOTE]Took a girl once for $100+20 (propina) She was enthusiastic at first. In the room she was more bewildered than excited. Not sure what happened, next time I contacted her via what's up, she wouldn't move down any from $150. She is one of the top girls in HK, probably the top. She is like a swimsuit model type. Oh well I had it eaten and beaten the first and only time I saw her. Not ever going to pay any more than $120.
[QUOTE=ABAJoeSmith123;2887322]Yep. It's an incredibly sad life for these HK chicas. Many of them are amazingly beautiful and actually good people but unfortunately here they are wasting their youth and looks as cheap prostitutes. Anyone who says these girls have a fabulous life, love the lifestyle, or are treated well by customers is delusional and has serious mental health issues themselves.
Think of their life as if you were in a prison with no choice but to get lined up every evening by 20 disgusting innmates to take their turns pounding their penis into you and finishing wherever on you. That's what I imagine it feels like being an HK chica. They're forced to put on a smile and let a long line of creepy dudes wait for their turn to fondle them, pound them, and creampie them because they have no other options in life to feed their children.
HK is a great venue for experiences you can't get elsewhere, but you got to think who's suffering to provide these experiences to you. If you have any humanity, it should make you at least a little sad and empathetic towards to the girls there and what they go through.[/QUOTE]I don't think this is an accurate representation of the situation.
The more attractive girls in HK probably are doing just fine and do not see their life as a "prison" with disgusting inmates lining up to fuck them.
I'm sure the more attractive ones that have big fake butts, big tits, etc have regular sugar daddy clients that they can comfortably hit up in rotation so that their money does not dry up. I doubt they are stooping so low to the point where they feel they are being fucked by prison inmates just to get by.
Now when it comes to the average looking HK girls, which makes up the bulk of HK. I'm not sure.
What you have to understand though is that this is a marketplace. The most attractive obviously will have an easier time and make the most money. Frequent arribas with their choice of men, able to turn down offers when they want, can continue to wait for good candidates because they already have enough money coming from other clients, etc.
It also depends on the individual girls within HK. I'm sure some of them have other sources of income and HK is not literally their only income stream. So they are comfortable charging more for arriba, holding off more, and thus they don't see working at HK as having to fuck inmates to survive. They can wait and be more selective since they have income elsewhere, regardless of how they look.
In general though, in a market like this it makes sense that the top 3-5% in looks will take the lion's share of the money.
And the bottom 95% will hardly get anything. This description of prison inmates fucking these bottom 95% of girls does not match reality in my opinion. What is most likely happening is that the bottom 95% (also known as the average looking girls) may get an occasional customer here and there and that's it. What's really happening is that these girls are barely getting any business at all. Because they look average and there's so many of them to choose from. Whether they feel they hate their lives because of this is up to their own intrepretation. This is simply how the market behaves. The top 3-5% that are very hot will get the most attention and most clients. The bottom 90-95% will simply get scraps. That's just how it goes. Because the buyers will compare the average girl to the hottest girls in the club. The difference in price between girl is pretty much nonexistent. So given the option, the buyer will put his money on the hottest that he sees. Typically these are the big butt ones, big tits, or model looking / slender, etc.
To add on this, I don't know if the average looking girl in HK would be more likely to provide better service because of this reality. Or if she'd be more cooperative and grateful for your business. My instincts tell me that no, she would not be willing to provide better service or be grateful. Simply because the US is too close to tijuana, and I feel that the feminism has already seaped in. Which means I wouldn't be surprised if these girls felt their deserved more customers or felt entitled to more business, and they wouldn't be grateful or be more cooperative / provoide attentive service because you chose them. This is just my speculation though.
[QUOTE=TerOnlyOnce;2889346]
The more attractive girls in HK probably are doing just fine and do not see their life as a "prison" with disgusting inmates lining up to fuck them.
I'm sure the more attractive ones that have big fake butts, big tits, etc have regular sugar daddy clients that they can comfortably hit up in rotation so that their money does not dry up. I doubt they are stooping so low to the point where they feel they are being fucked by prison inmates just to get by.
Now when it comes to the average looking HK girls, which makes up the bulk of HK. I'm not sure.
This description of prison inmates fucking these bottom 95% of girls does not match reality in my opinion. What's really happening is that these girls are barely getting any business at all. Because they look average and there's so many of them to choose from. Whether they feel they hate their lives because of this is up to their own intrepretation. .[/QUOTE]I agree with most of what you wrote. HK gals are not living in misery.
My guess on % of gals vs #arribas per night. In club.
Top 10% - gets 8+ customers a night.
Next 30% - get 2+ customers a night.
Next 20% - get 1+ customer a night on average.
Bottom 40% get a arriba about once every other night.
Those that don't get arribas at all will just leave the club / business.
Very few long termers will be living in misery or get mis-treated (they all have security mechanisms to avoid serious abuse).
Street gals will get more arribas but not more money.
[QUOTE=Rambo1969;2889507]I agree with most of what you wrote. HK gals are not living in misery.
My guess on % of gals vs #arribas per night. In club.
Top 10% - gets 8+ customers a night.
Next 30% - get 2+ customers a night.
Next 20% - get 1+ customer a night on average.
Bottom 40% get a arriba about once every other night.
Those that don't get arribas at all will just leave the club / business.
Very few long termers will be living in misery or get mis-treated (they all have security mechanisms to avoid serious abuse).
Street gals will get more arribas but not more money.[/QUOTE]I made my estimate based on what you'the see on a site like onlyfans, an open sexual market.
The top 3-5% make all the money basically. The bottom 95% make hardly anything. Less than like $1000 a month I believe.
The point is to show that this type of market place is extremely extremely skewed. Most women get nothing, the very small minority get practically everything.
Now when you apply that to HK, I would say the most attractive are doing just fine.
But the bottom 95% would be lucky to get 1 customer per night.
The reason why is because on a Friday and Saturday night, the American men will come in, and spend the bulk of their money on only 1 or 2 girls. Typically the ones that they deem the hottest. How many girls are in HK on a Friday and Saturday night? Tons, maybe like 50-70 different girls. There is just not enough spending men for half of those girls to get at least 1 arriba. There's plenty of money being flinged around. But that's only happening around the select few women that the whales have selected for the night. And my speculation is that average HK girls will see this, and they will start thinking and believing that they can compete too. When in reality their looks are no where near up to par. And therefore they will start barking and won't be focused on giving good service, instead they will want to behave like the hot girls they see, able to give mediocre service yet a lot of customers still lining up to give them money.
It just goes back to basic economics. In a free market like this, you will typically see a handful of whales that are spending on their favorite girls. The majority of the men are just chilling and the majority of the women are not getting any business or arribas.
I will say that if HK charges the girls an entry fee just to work there each night, that could throw all this speculation out the window. Because that would mean each chick you see in HK on a Friday night is most likely at least breaking even on her investment. So there's enough spending guys in there to accommodate every girl to get at least a few drink sales and maybe 1 arriba each.
There's a lot of details I don't know for me to make any accurate takes on this, just purely speculation at this point.
I mostly agree with Rambo's numbers, but an Average of 8 per night for the top 10% is too high. Not even the top 1% average that.
There's slow nights. Nights when party & drinking guys pack up the club keeping Arriba guys out. A few slow nights here & there really kill an average.
When guys are eyeing a chica & she goes ariba, ariba, ariba. Guys will will start to jump fast at her, so they very well might have an 8 arriba night, but I would put the average at 4-5 max.
I think a lot of chicas do well to do 2 arribas in a night.