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[quote]The chica demanded that they call the cops. The security guard asked her how much she wanted. She said 3000 pesos. And the guy would not pay it. So they called the cops. While they were waiting for the cops, my buddy called the guy over to the bar and explained that if he didn't pay the 3000 pesos he'd probably be spending the night in jail. This guy had not even considered the possibility that he might be arrested."It's less than $75," my buddy said."Just pay her off." How did this guy respond? He asked us to see if she'd take 2000. She wouldn't. Then he paced around a bit until the cops came. Damn fool. Sure enough, he spent the night in the slammer. And when I spoke with him the next day, it was clear that he would be paying a lot more than 3000 pesos for attorney fees, court fees, settlement, etc.[/quote]The guy deserved to be thrown into the slammer for being such an idiot!

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[QUOTE=ORourke86;1514589]The truth may never be known.[/QUOTE]The irony is, we sort have had this discussion here on this board before in regards to whether to pay a problem chica, or kick the chica to the curb. Some here claimed they would never let no chica chump them into giving up money they feel they never earned or deserved. The point being made : If you let a chica get away with chumping you for your cash, from that point on, you just might end up being a target.

On the other hand, some here feel if faced with a demanding chica, they would have just paid her the 3000 pesos to go away. I'm a firm believer in the saying "Where you stand on the issue depends on where you sit". In other words, the choice is dependent on what side supports their POV in the moment. I'm not quick to believe people when they claim how they think they would handle a situation. People don't know how they would handle a situation, until they are in that situation and have to make a decision.

As ORourke86 pointed out, the truth may never be known (in regards to all of the facts ). Suppose that dude had an arrangement with that chica so that he wouldn't have to pay her any more? Or maybe no arrangement, he just felt he paid enough? He took care of her for several days, including her kids. You mean to tell me. If any of us had of spent $15.$30k pesos on and with a chica and for her kids, everybody here would have just paid a chica more money just because she asked? If the answer is yes. Insert eye roll here. LOL.

If how he behaved with the staff is true, yeah the dude is an asshole for that. But to claim he is an asshole just because he stood his ground on not paying her any more money (or trying to pay her less) , I think thats a case of not being honest or not knowing how one would react if faced with the same situation. What if every dude here met a chica in Rumba, and after 20 minutes of talking, the chica claimed she's owed 3000 pesos for her time? I don't think most here would be cutting their losses, and simply paying a chica because she demanded money. And they certainly wouldn't be saying "oh well, it's only $75." Most would stand their ground and probably tell the chica to get lost. Even if she said she would call the police, aint too many guys here going to change their position and simply pay 3000 pesos because it's only $75 dollars, or because they are concerned about going to jail.

Like I said. Where you stand on the issue depends on where you sit. Apparently, that dude felt he paid more than what was fair for the chicas time. Now if the police had came and felt she had no case, then he would have got props for standing his ground. But because he lost that battle, instead he is considered an asshole or a fool by some? Even if he paid her 3000 pesos, she could still have had the cops come to arrest him for allegedly choking her? So paying her, doesnt mean he was completely done with that chica. Possible he could have paid the cops off to make the matter go away? Or he was set up by the chica and the cops? Lots of variables to consider. Again, where people stand on the issue depends on where they sit. People think they believe in a principle, but they really don't. They believe in the side that is safe, convenient or popular for the moment. All situations have to be judged on a case by case basis. Rules often have to be flexible to fit the situation. And as always, many stories we hear don't come with complete details of all of the facts.

The Seabreeze is very kool and laidback and serves its purpose very well, but damn it sees its fair-share of drama. My most recent stay there, a guy managed to get one of the chicas that hang around the bar to his room. He finished and all she wanted was 500 pesos! He stood his ground but security finally talked him into paying.

[QUOTE=Chris Long; 1514758]Perfect advice ORourke every newbie and first timer to the DR should read this and follow these three steps. This guy sounds like a real first time know nothing. Shacking up with a chica for a few days is always going to involve more than just the fee, you have to feed her maybe a few gifts here and there they will want minutes for their phone when you are in the store and there will always be the sick kid while she is with you and she will have to send some money back home right away, it's all just part of the territory when you keep them long term. It sounds like this dreamer made the mistake many first timers to the DR make, he thinks this girl actually liked him and was with him just to be with him. You are also right about paying, it's better to pay and just have her go away and learn from the experience.

Chris[/QUOTE]Its the evolution of the game from the "GFE" to "Sport fucking". When I started in Sosua in 2007, girls stayed with you however long you wanted and took whatever you gave them. They were just happy to be claimed and make a few dollar. Naturally the end goal was to establish a connection with you and set you up for the Western union sting. WU was rolling back then but guys were happy with their vacation GFE. We are to blame for the changes in the climate. The guys got hardcore and the girls eventually caught up, now we are paying the price for what we want. Girls figured out in 2011 that they could make triple in one day than they could in one guys vacation. The guys wanted hourly fucks so the girls adjusted, GFE was out. Naturally with the multiple quickies in a day the girls became cold and business like, the love and respect was lost.

It was actually cheaper in the old days and the girls were about making our vacations memorable. I remember guys going to Classicos with dates back then. I remember New gardens having couples eating breakfast after a great night together. I remember seeing old white dudes walking down the street with a Haitianas on both arms for days. These are what I miss. Now I have made the adjustment and my fuck sex experiences are minimal. I'm more of a spectator now vs a participant. My fuck count is way down but I don't want to jump into that "Small pool". Even my old flames are back in the barrios of Puerto Plata and La union wondering what happened to the old Sosua. Next condom blow jobs will be the standard in Sosua. AD once told me years ago that Sosua is a "Small pool" and bad things will happen in Sosua, he was right. Std are up even though they aren't reported. Ripoffs are being reported more. You better be careful guys because this is what you wanted.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1514986]He took care of her for several days, including her kids. You mean to tell me. If any of us had of spent $15.$30k pesos on and with a chica and for her kids, everybody here would have just paid a chica more money just because she asked? If the answer is yes. Insert eye roll here. LOL.[/QUOTE]Are you saying that when he was told that he needed to pay 3000 or go to jail that if you were in his shoes you would have chosen to go to jail? That doesn't sound like a smart decision to me. Personally I wouldn't hand over 3000 pesos just because a girl was wiling to make a scene but this guy was given the choice of pay up or go to jail, he chose jail, that's just f*king stupid.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1515032]Are you saying that when he was told that he needed to pay 3000 or go to jail that if you were in his shoes you would have chosen to go to jail? That doesn't sound like a smart decision to me. Personally I wouldn't hand over 3000 pesos just because a girl was wiling to make a scene but this guy was given the choice of pay up or go to jail, he chose jail, that's just f*king stupid.[/QUOTE]Big mid-west guy forgot he was not in USA anymore. It doesn't matter what the truth was before the police came. The final truth was pay up or go to jail! Bottom line was not over 3000 pesos, he was willing to pay 2000 pesos, so he went to jail for 1000 pesos! Then he had to buy his way out! The girl deserved more than 3000 pesos to put up with the genius for 3 days.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1515032]Are you saying that when he was told that he needed to pay 3000 or go to jail that if you were in his shoes you would have chosen to go to jail? That doesn't sound like a smart decision to me. Personally I wouldn't hand over 3000 pesos just because a girl was wiling to make a scene but this guy was given the choice of pay up or go to jail, he chose jail, that's just f*king stupid.[/QUOTE]I agree with Manizales here. If there are any other associated costs (which I am assuming there will be since the girl said he choked her) than what's 3k more (33k following Wrx's example) when you may end up having to pay 50-75k in court and attorney fees?

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1514986]If how he behaved with the staff is true, yeah the dude is an asshole for that. But to claim he is an asshole just because he stood his ground on not paying her any more money (or trying to pay her less) , I think thats a case of not being honest or not knowing how one would react if faced with the same situation.[/QUOTE]Let me be clear. I said he was an asshole for how he treated the staff. I said he was a fool for not paying 3000 pesos to avoid going to jail. I stand by that. And, when we spoke with him the next day, he thanked my buddy for trying to help him get out of the situation for what, in hindsight, was not a lot of money and agreed that he was foolish for not just paying her to be done with it.

Obviously, you shouldn't pay every girl who jerks you around the least little bit. That would transform Sosua into an endless hassle, with all the girls engaging in a shake down and all the guys paying up. We certainly don't want that.

My point is two-fold.

First, put yourself in a position where it is difficult to be shaken down so easily. Make nice with staff and security. Be a guy that everyone at the bar is willing to say "Nope. If he says he already paid her, he already paid her." If you do that, it makes it much harder for the girl to actually go through with calling the police and all that. She knows everyone is against her. Moreover, she knows she probably won't be picked up by any of those guys at the bar (and there are a lot of repeat travelers in Sosua) and they might tell other guys who tell other guys. So she gets a bad reputation. That's bad for her business! And, at least at the SB, they won't let some girls in if they've had trouble with them before. I doubt she wants all that trouble for a one-shot 3000 pesos. So, if you put yourself in the right situation, you can make it pretty hard for a girl to shake you down.

Second, if you have put yourself in a good position and you are still looking at a pretty unsavory outcome if you don't pay (e. G, spending the night in jail!) , pay her. You've done what you could to protect yourself. Now there are only bad outcomes. It is as simple as choosing the least bad.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1514986]The irony is, we sort have had this discussion here on this board before in regards to whether to pay a problem chica, or kick the chica to the curb. Some here claimed they would never let no chica chump them into giving up money they feel they never earned or deserved. The point being made : If you let a chica get away with chumping you for your cash, from that point on, you just might end up being a target.

On the other hand, some here feel if faced with a demanding chica, they would have just paid her the 3000 pesos to go away. I'm a firm believer in the saying "Where you stand on the issue depends on where you sit". In other words, the choice is dependent on what side supports their POV in the moment. I'm not quick to believe people when they claim how they think they would handle a situation. People don't know how they would handle a situation, until they are in that situation and have to make a decision.

As ORourke86 pointed out, the truth may never be known (in regards to all of the facts ). Suppose that dude had an arrangement with that chica so that he wouldn't have to pay her any more? Or maybe no arrangement, he just felt he paid enough? He took care of her for several days, including her kids. You mean to tell me. If any of us had of spent $15. $30k pesos on and with a chica and for her kids, everybody here would have just paid a chica more money just because she asked? If the answer is yes. Insert eye roll here. LOL..[/QUOTE]I think in this situation, you have to look at yourself and see if you have a dog in the race. What I mean is, do you speak the language and can you explain to the police what happened? Do you know people who know people? Would you rather sit in jail in Sosua or prefer to be in your bed? I think most of us need to just pony up the doe and pay the hoe. Yes, egos and principles may be 'hurt' but I rather grab another and wake up the next morning eating steak and eggs than sleeping in a cell with 100 other Dominicans and eating rice and beans.

[QUOTE=ORourke86;1514589]IMHO, here are three things he did wrong which we all might learn from[/QUOTE]Look, I'm not saying I have it all figured out. I am new here and still have a lot to learn from some of you vets. But following those three rules seems pretty reasonable to me. And its worked out so far. Let me give you an example.

During my last trip, I found myself in a tight spot. I picked up a girl at DL. We agreed on a price: 1500 pesos for ST. She came back. After she showered, I gave her some lingerie and she did some modeling for me while I snapped some photos. It was all smiles and we were having a great time. Then, as we were getting into bed, she asked that I pay her in advance. I said I never pay in advance; we agreed to the price and I will pay her at the end. She said she wanted 1000 pesos up front. I said no. She said (in Spanish)"How do I know you will pay me?" And I replied (in Spanish)"I brought you here. I gave you a nice gift. I've been kind and generous. Do you really think I wouldn't pay you?" This went on for a few more rounds when finally-the mood sufficiently killed-I told her to just put her clothes on and leave.

She said that I would still have to pay her the 1500 and I would have to delete the photos. I agreed to delete the photos (and did) but refused to pay: "No trabajas, no pago!"

She said,"What about my time? You wasted my time?" And I said,"Well, you wasted my time! Why don't you pay me?" We were both pretty pissed at this point. And she said she would not leave until I paid.

What would you do in this situation? Here's what I did: I walked to the balcony of my hotel room and whistled for the security guard. He came over and I asked him to come up. When he came up I told him what happened and asked him "What do I need to pay her to get her to leave?" He said 500 pesos. I gave her 500 pesos (adding a "Pago para nada." to make it seem to her that I though she was getting more than she deserved, though really I though this was pretty fair considering the time we spent together) and he escorted her out. She wasn't very happy. Hell, neither was I! She was a cute little girl and I was looking to do some damage. But that didn't happen.

Note that I neither succumbed to her demand to pay immediately (thereby encouraging future shakedowns) nor refused to pay (causing myself more trouble than it is worth). There is a delicate balance to maintain there.

Anyway, when she was leaving she kept telling the guard she could just call the police. He told her to call them if she wanted; he'd be happy to explain exactly what happened. He clearly had my back and she didn't call. Why did he have my back? I can't say for sure. I don't think it is enough that I was a paying customer at the hotel. Hotels don't usually want guests who cause trouble. It's bad for business. I'd guess it didn't hurt that I had bought him a drink earlier in the week; or that I always talked with him and the others. He knew me. And he had a reason to trust me. So, when the situation turned sour, he had my back. That, in my opinion, is exactly how it is suppose to work.

[QUOTE=ORourke86; 1514589]I recently posted about my awesome trip. But, while I'm at it, let me share my view on someone else's not-so-great time.

While they were waiting for the cops, my buddy called the guy over to the bar and explained that if he didn't pay the 3000 pesos he'd probably be spending the night in jail. This guy had not even considered the possibility that he might be arrested."It's less than $75," my buddy said."Just pay her off." How did this guy respond? He asked us to see if she'd take 2000. She wouldn't. Then he paced around a bit until the cops came. Damn fool. Sure enough, he spent the night in the slammer. And when I spoke with him the next day, it was clear that he would be paying a lot more than 3000 pesos for attorney fees, court fees, settlement, etc.[/QUOTE]Why didn't he just leave? Just jump on the back of one of the gazillion motos that drive by the SB every 1. 5 seconds and give her the peace sign while he drives off. Once she is out of your room, you are half way done with the problem. Just take off for a few hours, come back in the night, pack up your shit and move to a different hotel. Problem solved. (I highly doubt if the police are going to have a massive stake out, hiding in banana trees, just waiting for a gringo who owes a hoe 3 K!)

[QUOTE=Lakeside32;1514997]The Seabreeze is very kool and laidback and serves its purpose very well, but damn it sees its fair-share of drama. My most recent stay there, a guy managed to get one of the chicas that hang around the bar to his room. He finished and all she wanted was 500 pesos! He stood his ground but security finally talked him into paying.[/QUOTE]One of the bartenders? Or just some girl hanging out at the bar? A lot of working girls will stop in for a drink on the way to the main strip. Some of them connect and make a little cash while they are there. But 500 seems really low for a working girl.

In my experience, it isn't easy to pull one of the bartenders there. One is married with a kid. Another has a couple kids, but no man; still, she doesn't seem interested in making a little cash after hours. And the other regular bartender has an American BF. This gives me hope! Haha. But I cannot imagine how much time and money he must have sunk into her to make that happen. Probably more than it is worth to me, but to each his own.

[QUOTE=Manizales911;1515032]Are you saying that when he was told that he needed to pay 3000 or go to jail that if you were in his shoes you would have chosen to go to jail? That doesn't sound like a smart decision to me. Personally I wouldn't hand over 3000 pesos just because a girl was wiling to make a scene but this guy was given the choice of pay up or go to jail, he chose jail, that's just f*king stupid.[/QUOTE]I think you are mistaken. When did you read he was given the choice that he needed to pay 3000 or go to jail? Who told him or gave him that choice? Was that from the police? No that wasnt what the OP said. That was from some dude making a suggestion to the guy who happened to be there. It wasnt mentioned if the dude was told to pay or given the choice to pay the 3000 pesos or go to jail by the cops, so I didn't assume that. Is that what you assumed? If you recall, the OP stated the chica allegedly claimed the dude choked her. So I'm not assuming he went to jail because he didn't pay 3000 pesos. I think he went to jail because the cops believed the bullshit the chica told them. They could have easily left the dude alone.

I think your statement of not handing over 3000 pesos just because a girl makes a scene is an honest answer. But what my point is, the actual course of action one takes, depends on you being there and experiencing the issue to know what you would do. If the police were the ones telling me to pay 3000 pesos or go to jail, I'd pay the 3000 pesos. But I wouldn't be quick to fork over money just because some bystander is telling me to. And they surely don't have the power to give me a choice of paying or going to jail.

Earlier this year, I had a problem with a chica at Rockys. Chica sat down next to me. I bought her a beer. 20 or so minutes later the chica claims I owe her for her time because I didn't take her. She threw some beer on me. I let that go to avoid an escalation. But I still didn't pay her. She could have called the police on me. If you were there telling me I better pay her or go to jail, I still wouldn't have paid her. But if the police showed up and told me to pay her or go to jail, then I would pay. It just so happened the dude that was there was right about him probably going to jail. He could easily have been wrong too. Because the reason for going to jail may have been more than just paying 3000 pesos. The OP was honest enough to say we may never know the truth of what really happened. His area of concern made sense though. The guy acted like an asshole towards people around him. And judging by that, it's quite possible the police got a taste of him too. Resulting in him being locked up. My main point is. Where one stands on an issue depends on where they sit. You don't know what you would do until faced with an issue. You seem to have twisted some details somewhat (he was given a choice of paying or jail by whom?) , so I can't answer your question based on that.

[QUOTE=Bravo;1515101]Why didn't he just leave? Just jump on the back of one of the gazillion motos that drive by the SB every 1. 5 seconds and give her the peace sign while he drives off. Once she is out of your room, you are half way done with the problem. Just take off for a few hours, come back in the night, pack up your shit and move to a different hotel. Problem solved. (I highly doubt if the police are going to have a massive stake out, hiding in banana trees, just waiting for a gringo who owes a hoe 3 K!)[/QUOTE]Thats a possible solution. No doubt this dude will have learned something about his situation.