Sosua Reports

[QUOTE=ORourke86; 1515072]Let me be clear. I said he was an asshole for how he treated the staff. I said he was a fool for not paying 3000 pesos to avoid going to jail. I stand by that. And, when we spoke with him the next day, he thanked my buddy for trying to help him get out of the situation for what, in hindsight, was not a lot of money and agreed that he was foolish for not just paying her to be done with it.

Obviously, you shouldn't pay every girl who jerks you around the least little bit. That would transform Sosua into an endless hassle, with all the girls engaging in a shake down and all the guys paying up. We certainly don't want that.

My point is two-fold.

First, put yourself in a position where it is difficult to be shaken down so easily. Make nice with staff and security. Be a guy that everyone at the bar is willing to say "Nope. If he says he already paid her, he already paid her." If you do that, it makes it much harder for the girl to actually go through with calling the police and all that. She knows everyone is against her. Moreover, she knows she probably won't be picked up by any of those guys at the bar (and there are a lot of repeat travelers in Sosua) and they might tell other guys who tell other guys. So she gets a bad reputation. That's bad for her business! And, at least at the SB, they won't let some girls in if they've had trouble with them before. I doubt she wants all that trouble for a one-shot 3000 pesos. So, if you put yourself in the right situation, you can make it pretty hard for a girl to shake you down.

Second, if you have put yourself in a good position and you are still looking at a pretty unsavory outcome if you don't pay (e. G, spending the night in jail!) , pay her. You've done what you could to protect yourself. Now there are only bad outcomes. It is as simple as choosing the least bad.[/QUOTE]I stand corrected on how you conveyed your earlier message. Question though. Manz911 stated the guy was given the choice to pay the chica 3000 pesos or go to jail. Did the police give him that choice to pay or go to jail? Or did that come from the bystander guy who warned him? Or both? I wouldn't automatically regard the man as a fool just because he didn't pay the chica the money, based on a bystanders warning. I would consider him a fool if the police gave him the choice to pay or go to jail, and he chose jail. However when I read your piece, I didn't read where you said the police gave him that choice. And considering the possibility that the chica may have lied on the dude (her being choked) , I wasnt going to assume the issue was only about 3000 pesos to make the chica go away. So my position was, many of us might not automatically or consistently pay a chica 3000 pesos just because she demanded it. We would weigh the situation based on all of the facts. Bravo posted an alternative of the guy leaving, coming back later, packing and moving elsewhere. Point being, there clearly are more alternatives or options one can take than simply paying a chica. I agree with you wholeheartedly on how the guy failed to value making alliances with people that might be able to help to support him somewhat.

[QUOTE=Bravo;1515101]Why didn't he just leave? Just jump on the back of one of the gazillion motos that drive by the SB every 1. 5 seconds and give her the peace sign while he drives off. Once she is out of your room, you are half way done with the problem. Just take off for a few hours, come back in the night, pack up your shit and move to a different hotel. Problem solved. (I highly doubt if the police are going to have a massive stake out, hiding in banana trees, just waiting for a gringo who owes a hoe 3 K!)[/QUOTE]Or the police might, if not actually take all your stuff as compensation for the girl (and them) , have management lock up your room and not give you the key when you get back but rather call them. Do you think management is going to help the "asshole" get out of there by giving him the key or do what the police tell them? If you're going to "pack up your shit and leave", do it before the police show up, although it may be not be easy to disappear in a small place like Sosua.

I had an extortion experience in Fortaleza, Brazil. I picked up this girl (who turned out to be a *) in one of the local hooker bars; 200 real (about $100) for short-time, including anal. She was cold and mechanical during the sex and refused to do anal. I got fed up and told her to leave, giving her 150 real because of no anal. She said she wanted 200 real and if she didn't get it she would call her friend on the police force. I told her that 150 as more than enough as she had not done anal, so she called someone on her cell phone, supposedly the police friend, and went downstairs to wait for him (them?). After some time, I was tired of waiting, as I had to get up early next morning for my flight. I also was starting to weigh the monetary consequences of missing my flight to Rio and my connecting flight to BA, which were far greater than the $25 in question, if she actually did have a police friend who would show up and, even if not very likely, possibly detain me and cause me to lose my flight, so I gave the * the money and told her to go to fuck herself. Sometimes you just have to suck it up to avoid it costing you even more money.

[QUOTE=Chief Justice;1515075]I think in this situation, you have to look at yourself and see if you have a dog in the race. What I mean is, do you speak the language and can you explain to the police what happened? Do you know people who know people? Would you rather sit in jail in Sosua or prefer to be in your bed? I think most of us need to just pony up the doe and pay the hoe. Yes, egos and principles may be 'hurt' but I rather grab another and wake up the next morning eating steak and eggs than sleeping in a cell with 100 other Dominicans and eating rice and beans.[/QUOTE]I am in accord with what you said. However, let me ask this question. If a chica was demanding 10, 000 pesos instead of 3000 pesos for being with a guy for 3 days, do you still think most of us need to pony up the dough and pay the hoe?

My point is, it sounds like many might believe it is better to pony up money to a chica rather than wake up the next morning sleeping in a cell. But I submit, most would not be quick to pay an amount they deem to be excessive just because they believed it best to pony up to avoid jail. Thats why I say where one stands on the issue depends on where they sit. The dude in the scenario must have felt he paid the chica for the 3 days already. If he turned down an offer to pay 3000 pesos or go to jail from the police, then he definitely was being foolish. But I'll bet there are examples here where guys were faced with a similar problem but it didn't result in going to jail. That dude gambled and lost.

[QUOTE=Qualude;1514744]I agree the guy was an a-hole. He was willing to pay 2000 why not the extra 1000 (Less than $25) and be done with it. The money was cheap insurance against the situation he had to deal with later. IMO he got what he deserved. Most of us have had bad experiences and or lackluster performances by a chica and still paid to buy the peace. I have always felt it is better to pay them and get rid of them than to create a big scene.[/QUOTE]Just a question bruh. Suppose a chica demanded 10k pesos from you instead of 3k? Would you still feel the same way about paying that amount as you would the 3k? 10k for most, wouldn't be considered cheap insurance, and that might cause one to look for other alternatives before forking over that kind of money just to make a chica go away.

[QUOTE=Jimmy Boy 99;1515141]I had an extortion experience in Fortaleza, Brazil. I picked up this girl (who turned out to be a *) in one of the local hooker bars; 200 real (about $100) for short-time, including anal. She was cold and mechanical during the sex and refused to do anal. I got fed up and told her to leave, giving her 150 real because of no anal. She said she wanted 200 real and if she didn't get it she would call her friend on the police force. I told her that 150 as more than enough as she had not done anal, so she called someone on her cell phone, supposedly the police friend, and went downstairs to wait for him (them?). After some time, I was tired of waiting, as I had to get up early next morning for my flight. I also was starting to weigh the monetary consequences of missing my flight to Rio and my connecting flight to BA, which were far greater than the $25 in question, if she actually did have a police friend who would show up and, even if not very likely, possibly detain me and cause me to lose my flight, so I gave the * the money and told her to go to fuck herself. Sometimes you just have to suck it up to avoid it costing you even more money.[/QUOTE]JB is there an amount that would make you take your chances with not paying the girl? For instance. If the girl up selled on you and bluffed that you owe her $200 more instead of the $25, pay up or I call my friend. If you would pay $200 more to squash the situation, what amount wouldnt you pay and just take your chances?

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1515140]Question though. Manz911 stated the guy was given the choice to pay the chica 3000 pesos or go to jail. Did the police give him that choice to pay or go to jail? Or did that come from the bystander guy who warned him? Or both?[/QUOTE]Before the police arrived, a bystander approached the girl and asked her how much it would cost just to drop the thing. She said 3000 pesos. The police were on the way. The bystander then walked over to the guy and told him that it was his word against hers (recall that the hotel staff was pissed at him because he had told them to fuck off and what not, so they were not likely to advocate for him) so he would likely spend the night in jail if it didn't get resolved before the police showed up. And the guy failed to resolve the situation for 3000 pesos.

I was not close enough to hear the conversation with the police, so I don't know what they told him or why they took him in. My guess is that any chance of resolving it for 3000 pesos was out the door once the police arrived.

IMHO (and you can discount that accordingly) she would have walked away no problem w / 3000 pesos. And, when the police showed up, the security guard could have just said that there had been a payment problem w / a girl but that it was resolved amicably. That would have been the end of it. But we will never really know I guess.

[QUOTE=ORourke86; 1515085]Look, I'm not saying I have it all figured out. I am new here and still have a lot to learn from some of you vets. But following those three rules seems pretty reasonable to me. And its worked out so far. Let me give you an example.

During my last trip, I found myself in a tight spot. I picked up a girl at DL. We agreed on a price: 1500 pesos for ST. She came back. After she showered, I gave her some lingerie and she did some modeling for me while I snapped some photos. It was all smiles and we were having a great time. Then, as we were getting into bed, she asked that I pay her in advance. I said I never pay in advance; we agreed to the price and I will pay her at the end. She said she wanted 1000 pesos up front. I said no. She said (in Spanish)"How do I know you will pay me?" And I replied (in Spanish)"I brought you here. I gave you a nice gift. I've been kind and generous. Do you really think I wouldn't pay you?" This went on for a few more rounds when finally-the mood sufficiently killed-I told her to just put her clothes on and leave.

She said that I would still have to pay her the 1500 and I would have to delete the photos. I agreed to delete the photos (and did) but refused to pay: "No trabajas, no pago!"

She said,"What about my time? You wasted my time?" And I said,"Well, you wasted my time! Why don't you pay me?" We were both pretty pissed at this point. And she said she would not leave until I paid.

What would you do in this situation? Here's what I did: I walked to the balcony of my hotel room and whistled for the security guard. He came over and I asked him to come up. When he came up I told him what happened and asked him "What do I need to pay her to get her to leave?" He said 500 pesos. I gave her 500 pesos (adding a "Pago para nada." to make it seem to her that I though she was getting more than she deserved, though really I though this was pretty fair considering the time we spent together) and he escorted her out. She wasn't very happy. Hell, neither was I! She was a cute little girl and I was looking to do some damage. But that didn't happen.

Note that I neither succumbed to her demand to pay immediately (thereby encouraging future shakedowns) nor refused to pay (causing myself more trouble than it is worth). There is a delicate balance to maintain there.

Anyway, when she was leaving she kept telling the guard she could just call the police. He told her to call them if she wanted; he'd be happy to explain exactly what happened. He clearly had my back and she didn't call. Why did he have my back? I can't say for sure. I don't think it is enough that I was a paying customer at the hotel. Hotels don't usually want guests who cause trouble. It's bad for business. I'd guess it didn't hurt that I had bought him a drink earlier in the week; or that I always talked with him and the others. He knew me. And he had a reason to trust me. So, when the situation turned sour, he had my back. That, in my opinion, is exactly how it is suppose to work.[/QUOTE]Your scenario is a clear example of why I say where one stands on an issue depends on where they sit. You didn't just fork over money the moment a chica complained. She could have called the police on you, without you even knowing she did. Like you, the guy from Seabreeze did not refuse to pay something. He tried to pay less than what the chica demanded, just like you. It just so happened, your chica accepted what you gave her (500 pesos) , whereas the chica at Seabreeze did not accept the 2000 pesos that he counter offered. He gambled and lost. You gambled and won. I get your point though.

If your chica called the police and still demanded 1500 pesos, would you still stick to only paying 500 pesos? Or would you pay the 1500 pesos that she originally demanded? Making alliances and having backup goes a long way to possibly help mitigate a situation.

[quote=wrx2005;1515152]jb is there an amount that would make you take your chances with not paying the girl? for instance. if the girl up selled on you and bluffed that you owe her $200 more instead of the $25, pay up or i call my friend. if you would pay $200 more to squash the situation, what amount wouldnt you pay and just take your chances?[/quote]i really don't know. it would depend on how much she wanted compared to what it would cost if things went badly, how credible the story she was going to tell the cops was (assuming it wasn't a set-up with the cops from the beginning, as i have read happens with **** girl scams in manila, i believe) , and how likely i thought it was to end badly. from what i have read, in underdeveloped countries it generally gets a lot more expensive for a foreigner when the police get involved, so i would err on the side of not getting them involved. in the fortaleza incident, i doubt that the police are in the habit of collecting a hooker's debts, but i could not take the chance of missing my flights. if i were going to stay there some more days, i would have told her that i was going back to where i picked her up and she can have her police friend come there and try to get the money from me in front of all her potential future customers.

[QUOTE=ORourke86; 1515154]Before the police arrived, a bystander approached the girl and asked her how much it would cost just to drop the thing. She said 3000 pesos. The police were on the way. The bystander then walked over to the guy and told him that it was his word against hers (recall that the hotel staff was pissed at him because he had told them to fuck off and what not, so they were not likely to advocate for him) so he would likely spend the night in jail if it didn't get resolved before the police showed up. And the guy failed to resolve the situation for 3000 pesos.

I was not close enough to hear the conversation with the police, so I don't know what they told him or why they took him in. My guess is that any chance of resolving it for 3000 pesos was out the door once the police arrived.

IMHO (and you can discount that accordingly) she would have walked away no problem w / 3000 pesos. And, when the police showed up, the security guard could have just said that there had been a payment problem w / a girl but that it was resolved amicably. That would have been the end of it. But we will never really know I guess.[/QUOTE]I appreciate your honesty in regards to possible doubt. I wish it was known what he already paid her, and how much he spent on her? Because honestly, I think if a dude felt a chica was already paid a fair amount, and now she was trying to extort more, I don't believe most guys would be quick to pay a chica what she demanded. And they won't be saying "it's only 3k." They would probably resist paying just like that dude did. But then once they thought the police was going to get involved, THEN they might change their tune and pay the money. But not the moment the chica demanded the money.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1515176]If your chica called the police and still demanded 1500 pesos, would you still stick to only paying 500 pesos? Or would you pay the 1500 pesos that she originally demanded?[/QUOTE]If she had gone ahead and called the police, I would have paid 1500 to resolve it before they got there. In fact, I would have paid 1500 if the security guard told me that's what it would take when I asked him initially. He thought 500 was a fair price; so I deferred to his judgement. Presumably the girl didn't think this was too far off the mark because she didn't push the issue. And she could have.

Obviously, there is some upper bound beyond which I would not pay. And that upper bound would depend on how likely I thought she'd actually call the police, how likely the security guard would stick up for me when they arrived, how likely the police would take me anyway. Etc. But it has little to do with whether I thought I was in the right. A third world country is not the kind of place where you to take a principled stand. You should always be prepared to pay up and move on. And you should know that going in.

Welcome back bro!

One of the OPs (Original Posters) of ISG. He was around when I was just starting to learn the ropes about Sosua way back when!

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1515184]I appreciate your honesty in regards to possible doubt. I wish it was known what he already paid her, and how much he spent on her?[/QUOTE]Me too! Though, based on my (admittedly limited) interactions with the guy in advance of the incident, I'm not surprised it happened to him. It seemed like he hadn't done his homework. There were some very basic things that he didn't know. Plus, he didn't speak any Spanish (I mean absolutely none). And he drank quite a bit (even relative to all of us drunks at the bar!)

Now, you can get by in Sosua without doing your homework; without knowing Spanish (so long as you pick up a few simple phrases while you are there) ; or without limiting your alcohol consumption. You might even be able to get by without two of the three. But IMHO the combination of these drastically increases your chances of having a problem. Tack onto these the fact that he wasn't all that personable with the staff and other guests and you can see what I am no so surprised it ended as it did.

Hi,

First trip to Sosua. Got in on the 2nd. Staying at Casa Cayena, great place and close to the main strip.

During the day I walked around to find where all the bars were. Was approached by one chica but I declined. After dinner, took and nap. Woke up at around 11 and headed out to DLatin. Boy the place was packed and there plenty of good looking chicas. The minute I entered, a chica grabbed my balls! I walked around then finally settled down at the bar. Was approached by this Haitian girl but I declined. After a couple of Presidentes, I decided to make a round to see the talent. There were a couple of girls I was interested in but I was a bit nervous on how to go about this. The language barrier was my main concern. In the end, this one girl grabbed my hand and started chatting. Nice body. She had very limited english but hell she was hot. We negociated on her cell phone (1500 ST) then we were off. Back at the hotel, after a quick shower, down to the intense action. She was pretty much into it. The session must have lasted 45 minutes. I was drained (already tired from the flight). She said she liked me and wanted me to pick her up again next day. I told her we'll see and off she went.

Second day: Woke up late. Had breakfast and went to the beach near the hotel Nice and quiet. Stayed there till noon then went to find something to eat. After that I went to Sosua Beach where I just wandered around. BAck at the hotel at around 4 to take a nap. Couldn't sleep. Some guy was blasting music in the pool area! After dinner, watched a bit of TV then headed out. First went to that Merenge Bar in fron of DLatin. It was pretty much empty. Still sat down to have a beer. I went to Rumba after. Pretty quet there too. I was getting disapointed. Headed to DLatin where there was more action but it seemed pretty slow. I wanted to avoid the chica from the previous night so stuck around with some guys from the hotel. I spotted this really hot girl but before I could think of making a move some other guy moved in before me. I wandered around for a while hoping to find someone I like. Did this for abount an hour then this girl grabbed my hand and stared dancing with me. She was good looking but a bit wild. She was grinding me and I just couldn't resist anymore. We negiciated a price (1500 ST) and we went to another bar first for some drinks. She did some pole dancing for me and kept grabbing my balls. I was getting a bit worried I picked a freak. Anyways, back at the hotel, I asked her to shower and then the action began. She was extremely into it. I couldn't believe it. Our session must have lasted 40 min and we did anal (I didn't ask for it, she offered). This is when the weidness started. She started watching TV and wanted me to cuddle. Fine but I wanted her out. After 15 min of this, I got up and gave her the money hoping she would understand that she has to go (she only spoke spanish.). No she kept watching. I didn't know what to do. Then out of nowhere she sucking me again and we went for a second round. I ain't complaining about this but it felt weird. She actually wanted me not to use a condom to which I totally refused. I finished the session rather quickly and she started watching TV again. Now I was getting really upset and showed her the door. Finally she understood. She took a shower and I accompanied her out. She left me her phone number but I have no plans on calling her.

Has this ever happened to anyone (girl not waning to leave)? How did you handle it. I didn't want to create a scene by asking the security guard to do something about it. I am still here for another 9 days and I am sure I will bump into this girl again.

Also, I am surprised that I have not been able to meet any english speaking chicas. From what I have been reading of this forum, it should not be hard.

Other than that, I am enjoying my trip.

Oh yeah, for those who are interested, it seems that Passions will reopen by the end of this month.

Will post more reports in a couple of days.

In the 12 years that I have been mongering I don't know how many girls have tried to threaten me with cops or gangster friends. Not one has ever made good on what she said. My first time mongering in Brazil I took a girl for all night 100 reais (about $25 at the time). The next day I handed her the money and she said it was supposed to be US$100. I said no way. I'm not in the USA. Why would I be talking about dollars. Shit I don't even have dollars, only reais. She said she was going to get her police friend on me. Sure I walked around for a day on edge, then I realized she was full of shit. And I didn't even speak Portuguese back then. The girl later went on to work at the famous 4X4. At first she didn't remember me, but I reminded her of our first time together. For a couple of years after that I would sometimes have her come stay all night; for the same damn 100 reais as the first time. Whenever I would mention our first encounter she would laugh.

Now that I speak Portuguese and Spanish, hooker threats don't mean shit to me. If they were to actually go get a cop then I would just turn the tables and say she stole money from me and hit me and now wants me to pay her too. I would demand that she be arrested and be made to give back the money she stole. And it would be even better if I could prove I already bought a bunch of shit for her (which I would never do) like the guy in question did. I'm from the hood and grew up streetwise, so if a broad is going to try to get over on me then she better come hard because I'm not a pushover. As the old saying goes,"You can't slick a slickster." Then too I realize that everybody can't be a Bernie Madoff. Every con has to have a sucker. If you look around and don't see the sucker, well... I'm not saying that I would take advantage of the girls or not give them what I rightfully owe, but I'm damn sure not going to stand for any bullshit being brought into the game.

On the flip side, when I was in school in Brazil, I went home with a girl from Help Disco. We were both drunk as skunks. The next morning I had to wake up and go to the airport to pick up a classmate. Evidently when we got back from the club she had put my clothes on the window sill. She lived on the fifth floor. I went over to get money out my pants to pay her, but all my money was gone. I was about to pitch a biotch. I thought she had got me for my paper. Then I realized she was just as confused as me. I started looking around then looked outside. There was a big jungle behind the building. And there the money was. It had somehow blown out of my pocket, out the window, and into a tree. And there was no way of getting that shit back either. First of all there was a tall cinder block wall from the ground behind the building to the floor of the forest. Then if one could have managed to climb the wall there were probably all kinds of snakes and who knows what back there in that jungle. But I promised the girl that I would still pay her after I went to get my classmate. She did not believe my ass one bit. She thought I was going to screw her over. Later when I brought money back to give to her we turned into the best of friends. She cooked dinner for me that night. And from then on, whenever my friends would come to town we made it a tradition that on Sunday she would go to the store with me and my friends to buy food and her and her friends would cook it all up over her house and make us drinks. Nowadays she cleans houses in New York and we are still good friends.

Spent 12 nights, I had 2 nights in between for recovery, first night I fucked 3 girls, then I lost count for the rest of the trip. Lots of really hot girls, oldest around 25, most get fat after that age. My hotel guard always take the girl Id, and give it back to her when she is leaving, I only had one girl asking for more money, it was kinda my fault too, when I picked her up, I took her to a restaurant to talk, eat and have have couple drinks before we go to my hotel, I asked her how much and she said no pesos, so I insisted to pay, so she said, anything you pay, ok sounds a good deal, back in my room after I finished I gave her 1500, she said not enough and asked for 2500, I said no way, then she threatened to call the police, I know that she choose 2500 to reach the middle number of 2000, so I opened the door and throw only 1000 outside the door and kicked her out. After that I always make it clear how much I'm paying with a written numbers, so I always offer 1500 no matter what and I usually give another 200 tip later if I felt she was thankful to the 1500. Because I think that people deserve more if they were satisfied with less, and they get less when they are not satisfied with more.

D'Latin now checks for the girls Id, one night I picked a beer and sat beside the door watching girls getting in one after another, some girls have Id, some have passport, some have new passport, and some are known and they were not checked for ID, it was a reasonable way to classify the girls. Oh ya, I saw the 2 trouble girls who were posted on this website, they were denied entry to D'Latin, and the blond one got mad and tried to force her way in, the guard carried her outside, then she lied down on the stairs and won't leave, it was a big seen, finally her friend managed to take her away, this girl on crack, she is not normal at all, I'm sure she is taking hard drug.

The beach was nice for swimming, water is blue crystal clear, many places to eat and very cheap, so treat yourself well and have fun, there is no real reason not to have fun in Sosua.