FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

KK, I believe you and Turgid reach a level of nirvana that all hardcore mongers should strive for. I suspect both of you would find 75 percent of the LU visually acceptable. So for you two it is just a matter of finding someone who passes the interview, correct? I've met some local German and Dutch mongers who have reached this level. They told me exactly as you say "When I first started, I was like you. I only cared about optics.".

With regards to reaching this nirvana, I think race, years of experience, and whether the monger is a fly-in tourist plays a factor. For example, all the fly-in Asian mongers that I've talked to, only seem to find between 5 percent and 25 percent visually acceptable. Although one older local Asian gentleman that regularly attends Sharks is all about service. White fly-in tourists seem to be picky as well, but generally have a wider spec.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2195982]KK, I believe you and Turgid reach a level of nirvana that all hardcore mongers should strive for. I suspect both of you would find 75 percent of the LU visually acceptable. So for you two it is just a matter of finding someone who passes the interview, correct? I've met some local German and Dutch mongers who have reached this level. They told me exactly as you say "When I first started, I was like you. I only cared about optics.".
.[/QUOTE]75 percent in the mainstream clubs, 95 percent up the road :D

Yes, that is a very good guess at a number for myself and probably one of the reasons why I lick my chops when I read ' the LU is not great' as I know it is probably less crowded, a buyers market and I am happy without the top percentile of girls there and Sharks Garbage would be a pot of gold in Austin TX. I love midweek mainstream club visits and getting there early. The pickings are great for my standards. Usually there are hotties always there and pigs as well and all in between so I will never have an issue finding a girl in any club. I am a service guy and I have no issue bagging up the low hanging fruits as long as they are in that 75 percent. I think that is a good ballpark number.

As long as they pass the interview you refer to.

As to mongering 'Nirvana' I think it can be reached at any age. It is all about finding out what works for you and always adjusting accordingly over the years and if one can do that they will permanently be in hobby nirvana but it is different for all of us. For me it was the acceptance I was nothing more than money to them. My times have been a helluva lot more fun ever since.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2195982]KK, I believe you and Turgid reach a level of nirvana that all hardcore mongers should strive for. I suspect both of you would find 75 percent of the LU visually acceptable. So for you two it is just a matter of finding someone who passes the interview, correct? I've met some local German and Dutch mongers who have reached this level. They told me exactly as you say "When I first started, I was like you. I only cared about optics.".

With regards to reaching this nirvana, I think race, years of experience, and whether the monger is a fly-in tourist plays a factor. For example, all the fly-in Asian mongers that I've talked to, only seem to find between 5 percent and 25 percent visually acceptable. Although one older local Asian gentleman that regularly attends Sharks is all about service. White fly-in tourists seem to be picky as well, but generally have a wider spec.[/QUOTE]You can also have a different approach, in 15 years I sessioned more than 600 girls including 100 escorts with a lot of ON and several days together. My level of expectation are getting higher and higher and I only will select top girls even I will leave the club without any room or refuse to go the the room with a escort if she doesn't fulfil my expectations.

Why should I spend my time and money with average girls, sex is always very mechanical and the beauty is what matters for me. Why should I leave in a poor apartment if I can afford a villa, why driving a Korean car if can drive a Mercedes and son on.

For me in Shark there are only 3 girls I will go with, all the others are ugly for my eyes, the girl must have a beautiful face, very nice and soft skin and not looking and behaving like a *****.

[QUOTE=Sirioja;2195954]Real beauties with sophisticated classy look are often not so busy, because common guys think they will not give good services, treating them like shit, just self esteem and self confidence problem, but for my experiences, the prettiest are the best in bed for my mind.

On 2 last week ends at Sharks, starting about 12 June, a new girl was so far higher all the others for her class and charm, just had to look at her shoes to understand, so different than the others, sitting not hunting, she didn't like FKK business, but I didn't see guys running to her, so it was very good for me, she did welcome me, I was her only client on Sunday 17 and Friday 22 June, a dreamed Eve. Too classy for FKK.

All the best for her, elsewhere, I was honored to have 3 rooms with her, even not a performer, but I would have liked to have more time with her and to create my new Eve.

Beauty and class make me dream.[/QUOTE]What I have gathered from your posts is that just being with a beauty is a good session for you. You are a die hard romantist so just soaking in her 'essence' is a thrill. I am a down to earth libertine. I must bang hard in all conceivable positions with commensurate enthusiasm from my date. Obviously I will be disappointed in FKK but what is a guy who likes European dames to do? Especially now that the choice of non-Eastern European dolls is non-existent? Furthermore the existing crop is spoilt by the influx of 3-1-3-3 foreigners (3 inches, 1 position, 3 minutes, 300 euros) (300 e being an exaggeration in some cases). The Romanian providers being astute business women will gravitate towards their custom and are to be totally commended. However, what is to become of the monger who desires enjoyable coitus? Latin America, anyone?

[QUOTE=Turgid;2196151]What I have gathered from your posts is that just being with a beauty is a good session for you. You are a die hard romantist so just soaking in her 'essence' is a thrill. I am a down to earth libertine. I must bang hard in all conceivable positions with commensurate enthusiasm from my date. Obviously I will be disappointed in FKK but what is a guy who likes European dames to do? Especially now that the choice of non-Eastern European dolls is non-existent? Furthermore the existing crop is spoilt by the influx of 3-1-3-3 foreigners (3 inches, 1 position, 3 minutes, 300 euros) (300 e being an exaggeration in some cases). The Romanian providers being astute business women will gravitate towards their custom and are to be totally commended. However, what is to become of the monger who desires enjoyable coitus? Latin America, anyone?[/QUOTE]Why do you need to bang hard, you should speak with your psychiatrist about this. The normal man just want to be with a girl and have fun with her.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2196151]What I have gathered from your posts is that just being with a beauty is a good session for you. You are a die hard romantist so just soaking in her 'essence' is a thrill. I am a down to earth libertine. I must bang hard in all conceivable positions with commensurate enthusiasm from my date. Obviously I will be disappointed in FKK but what is a guy who likes European dames to do? Especially now that the choice of non-Eastern European dolls is non-existent? Furthermore the existing crop is spoilt by the influx of 3-1-3-3 foreigners (3 inches, 1 position, 3 minutes, 300 euros) (300 e being an exaggeration in some cases). The Romanian providers being astute business women will gravitate towards their custom and are to be totally commended. However, what is to become of the monger who desires enjoyable coitus? Latin America, anyone?[/QUOTE]You don't know me, but yes, I like to dream, not only with girls, so I try to achieve exceptional things, most would never be able to do. About girls, I m not attracted by GND, I don't like vulgar hunter, when at Globe they ask us if we had a wow experience, I look for wow look girls. Very difficult for me to find real beauties, which is first step for attraction for me, I don't like when GND come and touch me, when I found a beauty, then I will try to work to build her for my tastes, if she is woman enough. I don't beg to be sucked with girls, I do the job and wait if she wants to give me back. When you make cum girls, not only porn moaning, some say thank you, and most will to please you back. Most enjoyable for me is to get from girls without needing to ask. When I succeed to find a sensual GFE beauty, then I go only for her, because not many. I worked every week end for 8 months to find a new Eve, had 3 rooms with her, even she was not motivated to have sex for FKK rate, she had only 1 room with me on Sunday 17 and Friday 22 June and stopped to work. It was too short time at Sharks with her, but when I was looking at her blue eyes, smile, dark hard nipples, she was really a wow girl. Just a dream, but I drive for this, only looking for this, sex with GND is so boring.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2195982]KK, I believe you and Turgid reach a level of nirvana that all hardcore mongers should strive for. [/QUOTE]This seems to me to be the equivalent of civilian me saying, "If I like fat chicks, I would be in heaven."

It would be nice to be able to make optics less of a priority but I'm not going to go out of my way to do it. At my 35 year old stage, I find it more rewarding to just find a more diversified taste. That means if a tall, barbie blonde with big tits is my ideal spec, finding the beauty in an exotic, petite Turkish girl could be rewarding. Finding beauty in a chubby girl with a cute face that provides great service? Not my thing. That's exactly why I've never gone with Mandy.

I don't think anyone is explicitly saying it, but I think it would be incorrect to say that an optics minded monger settles for poor service. The game is to find the highest optic provider who provides exceptional service. The biggest negative I find with this is that by mathematical logic, you would have to repeat somewhat regularly limiting the number of girls you can experience in your mongering career.

This is a good report. A bit too long, but that's acceptable.

A few things:

Viorica does give good service. I think I said the same thing here before.

Raissa Oase. Yes, she provides rim jobs. As do many others. My regulars do it for free, but I take long sessions.

A few of the names in your list do provide BBFS. Will not name names.

Steffi is boring. I can't see why guys think she is pretty. Ordinary GND face.

NAya is a Fox. I love butt fucking her.

Finally, you should be posting reviews under club threads. Not in Lounge. Your choice however.

[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?p=2195394[/URL]#post2195394.

[QUOTE=Takedown;2196295]......I don't think anyone is explicitly saying it, but I think it would be incorrect to say that an optics minded monger settles for poor service.....[/QUOTE]Think again. As a reminder here is an excerpt from a post by Ultrahappy in the Oase thread:"I remember one time, when she hadn't been at Oase so long, I tried to explain to a group of Chinese guys I was chatting with that it probably made sense to avoid her due to her bad service. Then, one of the Chinese guys promptly ran off to the room with her. One of the Chinese guys explained to me, "You see, it doesn't matter how bad she is. We don't get to fuck girls that look like that in China. It's worth it just for the experience of being able to fuck her -- no matter how bad the service is. ".

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2195982]With regards to reaching this nirvana, I think race, years of experience, and whether the monger is a fly-in tourist plays a factor. For example, all the fly-in Asian mongers that I've talked to, only seem to find between 5 percent and 25 percent visually acceptable. Although one older local Asian gentleman that regularly attends Sharks is all about service. White fly-in tourists seem to be picky as well, but generally have a wider spec.[/QUOTE]Definitely. Not to mention culture. Seen some videos on youtube about how westerners perception of beauty also changes after moving to China. In China, slim is almost everything it seems. And a V-shaped face. The cute kink is there also, same as in Japan, but it seems to be different than an american / Europeans taste in cuteness. While an american friend of mine who is slightly chubby and mongers in Asia all the time picks slightly chubby girls 4 out of 5 times. He has the money for anyone and picks anything. But he says he would take cute ahead of pretty any time, any day. And the slightly chubby ones have more fat than Mandy, which I feel is inside my acceptable range, although I haven't seen her in awhile now.

Beauty standards around the world:

[URL]https://youtu.be/UwD_dLtwiM8[/URL]

Not really accurate since they have combined eastern Europe into one and western Europe into one. I do feel like they hit the mark on western Europe though. And out of the 7 options, it would clearly be my choice. No idea what's up with the american look there. I would rate her a 5 at maximum! Too much beyonce for me.

If you are from any of the other countries, do you feel it has hit the marks? I suspect it could be off on most of eastern Europe and perhaps north America.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2196417]Think again. As a reminder here is an excerpt from a post by Ultrahappy in the Oase thread:"I remember one time, when she hadn't been at Oase so long, I tried to explain to a group of Chinese guys I was chatting with that it probably made sense to avoid her due to her bad service. Then, one of the Chinese guys promptly ran off to the room with her. One of the Chinese guys explained to me, "You see, it doesn't matter how bad she is. We don't get to fuck girls that look like that in China. It's worth it just for the experience of being able to fuck her -- no matter how bad the service is. ".[/QUOTE]Ah, let me correct myself to cover all technicalities. This is the internet and all.

"I don't think anyone is explicitly saying that optics minded mongers [B]HAVE TO[/B] sacrifice service for optics."

Did you guys see how the Romanians were rooting for the Koreans in the Germany vs Korea world cup soccer match? They were jumping, shouting and cheering when Korea scored and eventually won the match. I was watching it in the bar area. BTW it was a sausage fest in Sharks today. Its a sellers' market. Recently most days at FKKs are more men than women.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2196558]Its a sellers' market. Recently most days at FKKs are more men than women.[/QUOTE]At least on the days that Germany played, married men and men with GFs had an excuse to have a boys night out. Probably more common with the local immigrant men, since their significant other wouldn't care about how well DE plays.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2196558]Did you guys see how the Romanians were rooting for the Koreans in the Germany vs Korea world cup soccer match? They were jumping, shouting and cheering when Korea scored and eventually won the match. I was watching it in the bar area. BTW it was a sausage fest in Sharks today. Its a sellers' market. Recently most days at FKKs are more men than women.[/QUOTE]Germans must be so pissed. LOL.

[QUOTE=Pistons;2196435]Beauty standards around the world:

[URL]https://youtu.be/UwD_dLtwiM8[/URL][/QUOTE]Video explicitly states that they surveyed photo retouchers around the world. Presumably the type of people who would work for modeling publications. The core audience would be women.

With fly-in mongers, it is completely different. If they are fly-in sex tourists (and not in DE for business), then they actively made a decision to come to DE to monger. They probably have a strong preference for white European women. I normally survey a lot of fly-in mongers because I want to know about Thailand, Brazil or other venues. With fly-in Asians, it seems 50 percent of the time, they will say something along the lines of "I don't like Asian girls. Or I only like the mixed ones". With fly-in Whites, that figure might be 25 percent. That can't be true of the general population, because from what I understand, sex scene in Thailand is filled with Whites, Chinese, Japanese mongers. Meaning the men who fly-in to visit FKK may not necessarily reflect the tastes of men from their home country.