Sosua Reports

[QUOTE=ORourke86; 1515676]Google calls it "Playa sin Salida" (though googling "Playa Alicia" takes you there, too).

Salida can be translated to "exit." But it can also be translated to "output" or "production". So it is kind of an interesting play on words given that the beach is at the end of a street with no exit and also is void of any production, especially in comparison to Playa Sosua!

I didn't know it was a new beach. That's pretty cool!

Regardless of what you call it, it is a nice beach!

Enjoy[/QUOTE]A friend used to own a condo there and he used to scuba dive in 40 feet of water where the beach now is located.

[QUOTE=Mr Gogo;1515663]. the Maimon cruise ship terminal is currently having major problems. Construction has almost come to a halt Sir. This is not public knowledge.[/QUOTE]Actually it is.

Anyone with half a brain knows that, even were it to be completed, there would be minimal input into the general economy. A few politicians and landowners might make mucho dollars, but that money they will hide offshore. It will have nil impact on Sosua and almost none on Puerto Plata.

[QUOTE=Llttf;1515638]Actually you are both wrong! It is called Playa Alicia and it is at the end of the calle sin salida, which means dead end street or literally, street without exit. The beach is also known as Waterfront beach, Miracle Beach (because it suddenly formed in 2003 after the earthquake} and some call it Casa Marina Beach.[/QUOTE]

You are correct sir!
It's always been called Calle sin Salida,"dead End", I am not sure who named it Playa sin salida, it is actually named "Parque Mirador".
The history of Playa Alecia, a guy who worked @ The Waterfront lost his Mom, and named this newly formed beach, Playa Alecia, after his Mom, & the name stuck, there is a little hand painted sign by the wall, if you look for it.

The current mayor of Sosua built the park dedicated to the original Jewish settlers in Sosua, back in the 40's.
That is my history lesson for today.

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[QUOTE=Mr Gogo;1515663]Also what guy goes on a cruise ship to ditch his wife and get a piece of ass? The ladies won't let them freelance in the DR. The cruise ship worker guys bang the cruise ship workers and vacationers, the local come third.[/QUOTE]I respectfully disagree Gogo. In St. Maarten the wh0re houses are packed when there are cruise ships in port, both vacationers and employees, same in Cartagena.

I grew up in the prejudice south. If anybody had told me when I was 16 years old that I would be having sex with black chicks I would have punched them out. I had a friend when I was about 45 that was looking at my then black girlfriend and told me she was hot but she was black. My response was that when I turn the lights out and wrap my arms around her all I feel is one fine hot body and when she wraps her thick lips around Mr Happy I could give a rats ass what color she is, but when you climb in to bed with your woman, with the lights on or off, she is still one ugly fat ass. He shut up.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1504419]Been in Sosua since last Friday and have been checking out the chicas from Hati but haven't pulled the trigger yet on any of them. My Dominican Cupido amiga said she doesn't like them because they are "black" which shocked the shit out of me since she is 1/2 black. Some of these Haitians are gorgeous and some are very aggressive. They also appear to be very smart and all of the ones I have talked to speak English, some Spanish, and whatever they speak in Hati (Creole / French). I'm tempted to try them out but am honestly having difficulty with how dark they are. I'm not racist but morena / carmel is about all I can handle. My buddies at home tell me to just turn off all the lights. Some feedback here about these Haitian chicas without beating me up to much would be appreciated. Seems like there are guys here from Europe that are totally enomorado (love) with these girls and I am very curious.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter; 1515783]Actually it is.

Anyone with half a brain knows that, even were it to be completed, there would be minimal input into the general economy. A few politicians and landowners might make mucho dollars, but that money they will hide offshore. It will have nil impact on Sosua and almost none on Puerto Plata.[/QUOTE]I guess Mr. Gogo didn't appreciate the sarcasm in my post. I'm sure some cruise ship passengers will be tempted to buy some Haitian art, a t-shirt, and maybe a coco loco on the beach. That's what I meant by "retail." My post also specifically mentioned,"single guys" on the cruise ships, not guys leaving their wives to get laid onshore. Now, can we get back to commenting on the FOD activities component of my post. Also, that previous poster is totally correct about his St Maartens observation. Tons of guys jumping ship there for a quick piece of ass at the assorted venues. Sosua will fill that demand nicely if the ships ever stop there. Simple supply and demand. Dare I say that FOD might be well positioned to cater to that possibility? 20 minutes by taxi isn't that hard to manage, is it?

[QUOTE=Geolopes;1515843]Dare I say that FOD might be well positioned to cater to that possibility? 20 minutes by taxi isn't that hard to manage, is it?[/QUOTE]Interested why you write only "FoD"? Blackbeards is nearer. But you may be correct, FoD caters more for drop-in trade, as it was originally set-up to service guys staying at Playa Dorada, especially groups on golfing holidays without wives. That idea never really got off the ground under any of the successive managements, so I am not convinced there will be much trade off cruise ships either. If there is, it is more likely the taxi guys will steer it towards Cristal and Cocoa Beach (or whatever the name is). Those places are Dominican owned, so better placed to arrange with the taxistas. And they charge twice as much, so could afford a bigger kick-back to the taxistas.

And think of the psychology. If a passenger wants to get laid but probably apprehensive about safety, he is more likely to choose a "night-club" than a "brothel" or "adult hotel". He will be thinking that in a club he could just buy a drink and leave gracefully, whereas he might feel more committed to a "hotel" or in more danger visiting a "brothel". Of course we know he would be wrong but the guy doesn't know that.

However that is all hypothetical as this cruise port may well not happen.

[QUOTE=OldKool;1515592]Best sex in life was hard core pro who took a liking to me . Banging rookies can be not so good . I had a few sweet young things in Sosua who were not very good because they were green. If you take charge with a pro you will get great sex and few problems.[/QUOTE]Fair comment. There are many exceptions both ways.

I only post for newbies. I don't expect you, or Mr Gogo or Mr Enternational or any other regulars to pay attention. If guys haven't got the hang of things by their third or fourth trip they probably never will and any advice is wasted.

There are guys who prefer hard-core pros and have no trouble.

There are guys who rent cars and have no trouble.

There are guys who get blind drunk at night and have no trouble.

There are guys who buy and smoke weed and have no trouble.

There are guys who change all their dollars into pesos first day and carry it all around with them all the time and have no trouble.

There are guys who befriend tigueres, cops, pimps and other low-life and have no trouble.

The more experience you have the better placed you are to know when to push your luck.

But it is not necessary to do any of the above things to have a great and cost-effective holiday on the North Coast, and by avoiding them you reduce your chances of serious trouble from "slim" to "almost nil". That is why I recommend newbies to avoid them. After two or three trips they can make their own minds up.

[QUOTE=ORourke86;1515189]Obviously, there is some upper bound beyond which I would not pay. And that upper bound would depend on how likely I thought she'd actually call the police, how likely the security guard would stick up for me when they arrived, how likely the police would take me anyway. Etc. But it has little to do with whether I thought I was in the right. A third world country is not the kind of place where you to take a principled stand. You should always be prepared to pay up and move on. And you should know that going in.[/QUOTE]I hear where you are coming from as it applies to yourself. I agree one should be prepared to pay. However I think taking the position that "a third world country isn't the place to take a principled stand", is too extreme and too absolute for me.

The mere fact that many individuals initially refuse to pay, take time to consider potential risks and outcomes, attempts to negotiate their way out of trouble, successfully use bribes to squash problems, all of these actions suggests to the contrary. You can take a principled stand, and you can win. When one takes a stand at the 1st sign of trouble, the motivation right in that moment isn't about avoiding jail. It's usually about the principle of the issue. I don't think many dudes would be quick to fork over money if they felt the chica didn't deserve or earn it. In your scenario, you clearly responded to the situation based on the principle of the issue. You felt the chica did not provide the services that was expected / agreed. You took a principled stand, but you also watched how the situation evolved, weighed the potential consequences and adjusted the damage accordingly. If it wasnt about the principle you would have paid her 1500 with no resistance whatsoever. You paid 500 and all felt it was fair. You gambled and won. Guess what? You took a stand in a third world country, even though you said its not the place to do so.

Typically, a concern of possibly going to jail doesn't factor in for most of us, until the situation has escalated to the point where one might have legit concerns. Many individuals have taken principled stances (in a third world country) , and they came out on top. If dudes werent taking these principled stances in a third world country, all we would hear are stories of dudes paying any amount that someone demanded. All I'm saying is, there is no absolutes or extremes. Each situation has to be evaluated on a case by case basis, what course of action taken depends on where one sits on the issue. Which is exactly what you were conveying in regards to the conditions in which you would or wouldnt pay, and or the amount.

The reason why I am emphasizing this, is because more and more we are hearing reports of chicas trying to extort dudes out of their hard earned cash. If we take the position that we have no power because were in a third world country, and we need to fork over money because of a threat of calling the police, the extortion stories are going to keep piling up. It's already getting too much attention. I read Mr E's piece. I can see the value in being clever enough to use that police threat in reverse, and put those barracudas in check. Having some resources can help (your security guard) , befriending a cop, possibly your propinas to the cops, staff may help? Other things to take into consideration. How you behave, like not being belligerent. Not being drunk or disorderly. The chicas own behavior or the cops constantly having a problem with the chica, that might help. A dude has to carry himself with some confidence as if he has options, not as if he doesn't. A dude may need to play that all the way, until he has no choice but to pay or deal with the outcome.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter;1515861]I only post for newbies. I don't expect you, or Mr Gogo or Mr Enternational or any other regulars to pay attention. If guys haven't got the hang of things by their third or fourth trip they probably never will and any advice is wasted.[/QUOTE]FWIW: I think this is a sound policy. Value-added for vets is pretty low. But newbies can get themselves into some easily-avoided jams if they don't know a few simple things.

[QUOTE=Eltayeb;1515328]I only had one girl asking for more money, it was kinda my fault too, when I picked her up, I took her to a restaurant to talk, eat and have have couple drinks before we go to my hotel, I asked her how much and she said no pesos, so I insisted to pay, so she said, anything you pay, ok sounds a good deal, back in my room after I finished I gave her 1500, she said not enough and asked for 2500, I said no way, then she threatened to call the police, I know that she choose 2500 to reach the middle number of 2000, so I opened the door and throw only 1000 outside the door and kicked her out. After that I always make it clear how much I'm paying with a written numbers, so I always offer 1500 no matter what[/QUOTE]At the time you were interviewing and feeling her out (over food and drink) , she should have been grilled on why she felt you did not have to pay any pesos. If she couldn't come up with a reason that actually made sense, (since her whole purpose there is whoring for cash) a dude should be prepared to throw that fish back in the pond. Because a chica whose a stranger to you saying no pesos is clearly a red flag. An obvious reason to suspect a chica is trying to bamboozle a guy. A valid reason not to take her.

It doesn't matter that a dude is willing to pay. The ability to pay is not the important issue. That doesn't stop the con from progressing. The issue now is, a dude is potentially leaving himself vulnerable for exactly what she pulled. We all know we don't get something for nothing. And most know them barracudas don't appreciate the drinks and meals they get. In fact, if you ask me, I am leaning more into believing those gestures of treating working girls to anything above simple p4p, potentially gives some of them the inclination a dude is soft or weak. It's like were showing these hoes a weakness by trying to enjoy a GFE with them. Have them for a couple of days and then you open yourself up for more trouble. Communicate with them when back home and instantly, you find yourself subject to requests for gifts, sob stories, pleading for help, constant attempts at guilt tripping dudes. You name it, we have all heard it. All of that potentially communicates a weakness, an area they'll try to exploit. I recently turned off the power on my DR phone. I usually keep it on, to whatsapp with a few chicas.

Staying in touch is cool. Even ego stroking. But sometimes keeping in touch can become a nuisance. The most effective response for me lately, was to simply shut the phone off. No explanations of why I couldn't send money, gifts ect, no trying to reason with them, no trying to set them straight, no trying to take whatever bait they throw out there. Just turn off the phone. If I see them the next time I travel, I'll decide then whether or not to get with them again.

BTW I like your idea of typing out the amount and currency, so both know the deal. But I can tell you, even that can backfire on a dude. Last month I had a chica type out 300 on my phone. Turns out she expected 3000 for ST. I caught it because she was sloppily obvious. That game was grounds for dismissal. But I knew she was a newbie and could tell she was only doing what she was told by one of her mentors. I paid her 1500. Had I deemed her as a hard core chica, I would have seriously considered getting out of the situation before taking her back to my spot. I havent always felt this way, it's been through observation and experience ( mine and others ) that has caused me to think differently.

We returned to BB's and ate a nice Italian meal at Sole Mio's around the corner, drank, smoked cigars, and pounded out some more BB's box. I liked Sole Mio's seafood soup. End of report.

Thanks for the straight forward report.

No politics, personal or head space issues.

Just the facts.

Good points CP. Experience gives one freedom to play the game differently. I am not comfortable renting cars in the DR to this day. You are on point newbies need to keep it close and follow the rules.

[QUOTE=Charles Pooter; 1515861]Fair comment. There are many exceptions both ways.

I only post for newbies. I don't expect you, or Mr Gogo or Mr Enternational or any other regulars to pay attention. If guys haven't got the hang of things by their third or fourth trip they probably never will and any advice is wasted.

T

The more experience you have the better placed you are to know when to push your luck.

But it is not necessary to do any of the above things to have a great and cost-effective holiday on the North Coast, and by avoiding them you reduce your chances of serious trouble from "slim" to "almost nil". That is why I recommend newbies to avoid them. After two or three trips they can make their own minds up.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1515879]You took a principled stand, but you also watched how the situation evolved, weighed the potential consequences and adjusted the damage accordingly. If it wasnt about the principle you would have paid her 1500 with no resistance whatsoever. You paid 500 and all felt it was fair.[/QUOTE]I can assure you that my decision to pay 500 pesos had little if anything to do with the principle of the matter. I didn't want that girl pointing me out to all of her chica friends as the guy who will still pay up if you fail to deliver. Sure, when something feels "fair" it makes it a little easier to swallow. But fair or not, if it is the best course of action you should do it-even if it is tough to swallow. That's all I'm saying. Ignore "fair" and "principles" and focus instead on what's the best possible outcome. Sometimes that means paying less (as I did when she failed to deliver) ; sometimes that means paying more (like when you get above standard service).

And know that these girls do talk to one another. A couple nights after the incident I took another Santo Domingo girl back to my room. (I'm not sure if I mentioned this in an earlier post, but the first girl had been from Santo Domingo as well.) She was a sweet little spinner that ponied up to the bar at SB. As soon as I saw her, I called her over. She was a delight. All smiles and very young. 18 or 19 I think. Light skin. Super tight body. So, after a bit of conversation, I was taking her up to the room for 1500 pesos. Interestingly, when we got to my door, she stopped and said "I'm not sure" in broken english. She went from happy-go-lucky to apprehensive in a split second. I cannot be certain, but I would be willing to bet that the other girl had warned her friends that the guy in room 210-B (or whatever the hell my number was) paid less than agreed upon when things went sour. Why else would she have reacted that way when we got to my door?

Anyway, I kindly told her (in Spanish) that it was OK if she changed her mind; I would just take her back down to the bar. No problem. Well, I suppose she felt I seemed genuine enough because she smiled and came on inside.

Having seen her reluctance, I became a bit reluctant as well. I expected that she'd be uncomfortable, so her performance might fall flat or she'd want me to pay up front. But I thought what the hell, let's give it a shot. And good thing too, because she did not disappoint. There was no discussion of paying up front-which I would not have agreed to. We both relaxed a bit with some light kissing and general playfulness. Then we exchanged massages. When I saw that things were going well, I gave her some lingerie and she happily put them on. She seemed so grateful for the gift. She gave an incredible BBBJ which we had discussed in advance. Then we had sex for a long time before I finished with a CIM (not discussed in advance!). She was a real treat so I got her number for later. I paid her the 1500 for a little less than two hours, plus another 200 for tip and moto (I assumed she was going to DL after). She was worth every penny.

[QUOTE=Buscemi; 1515803]You are correct sir!

It's always been called Calle sin Salida,"dead End", I am not sure who named it Playa sin salida, it is actually named "Parque Mirador".

The history of Playa Alecia, a guy who workedatThe Waterfront lost his Mom, and named this newly formed beach, Playa Alecia, after his Mom, & the name stuck, there is a little hand painted sign by the wall, if you look for it.

The current mayor of Sosua built the park dedicated to the original Jewish settlers in Sosua, back in the 40's.

That is my history lesson for today.

[url]http://www.sosuaonline.net/site/images/stories/sosua_images/roban-parque-mirador.jpg[/url][/QUOTE]Thanks, never did know where the name came from.