FKK Sharks - Darmstadt

[QUOTE=Turgid;2196558]Did you guys see how the Romanians were rooting for the Koreans in the Germany vs Korea world cup soccer match? They were jumping, shouting and cheering when Korea scored and eventually won the match. I was watching it in the bar area. BTW it was a sausage fest in Sharks today. Its a sellers' market. Recently most days at FKKs are more men than women.[/QUOTE]On last Friday and week end before, slow business at Sharks, really no problem to get girls. Top class one was not busy, but she didn't want to have sex for club rate.

German team need a new boss like Beckenbauer or Matthaus, and a new Gerd Muller, too unefficient.

[QUOTE=Takedown;2196295]I don't think anyone is explicitly saying it, but I think it would be incorrect to say that an optics minded monger settles for poor service. The game is to find the highest optic provider who provides exceptional service. The biggest negative I find with this is that by mathematical logic, you would have to repeat somewhat regularly limiting the number of girls you can experience in your mongering career.[/QUOTE]For sure there are men who seek high optics and high services. But you somewhat alluded to the problem. If there are only two WGs in the entire club that you are willing to consider, then you can't really shop around for a better deal. So that means if the WG stands her ground, you are forced to agree to her terms, because you have no other viable options.

[QUOTE=Takedown;2196467]Ah, let me correct myself to cover all technicalities. This is the internet and all.

"I don't think anyone is explicitly saying that optics minded mongers [B]HAVE TO[/B] sacrifice service for optics."[/QUOTE]Why to pay to fuck a girl who is not attractive for look? What can be the pleasure with a GND? Only fucking her? Or gossiping?

Even difficult to find, but I prefer to pay for beauties, and I always thought, most of time, we make girls becoming good for us, from our behavior.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2196558]BTW it was a sausage fest in Sharks today. Its a sellers' market. Recently most days at FKKs are more men than women.[/QUOTE]Not good! I was planning on visiting Sharks this weekend but I hate it when its gets too busy and hate it even more when the male patrons vastly outnumber the female entrepreneurs!

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2196573]Video explicitly states that they surveyed photo retouchers around the world. Presumably the type of people who would work for modeling publications. The core audience would be women.

With fly-in mongers, it is completely different. If they are fly-in sex tourists (and not in DE for business), then they actively made a decision to come to DE to monger. They probably have a strong preference for white European women. I normally survey a lot of fly-in mongers because I want to know about Thailand, Brazil or other venues. With fly-in Asians, it seems 50 percent of the time, they will say something along the lines of "I don't like Asian girls. Or I only like the mixed ones". With fly-in Whites, that figure might be 25 percent. That can't be true of the general population, because from what I understand, sex scene in Thailand is filled with Whites, Chinese, Japanese mongers. Meaning the men who fly-in to visit FKK may not necessarily reflect the tastes of men from their home country.[/QUOTE]Maybe. And maybe they have a different story to tell two months later once they have checked in to their pattaya Airbnb flat.

Non-white fly-in tourists may feel less of an obligation to make excuses for fucking their own cousins (as a moldavian man I met once framed it). While fly-in asian tourists may feel a stronger obligation to go interracial due to concerns rooted in social norms.

If you are a white in asia, if you meet certain people, you need to excuse yourself all the time by claiming you are there for the culture or the beatches, and not the bitches (LOL). But if you meet an asian monger, you might need to use another tactic, saying that you are there because your cousins in europe interest you less, and so you are there for the bitches, and not the beatches.

In the end, I guess 50% and even 25% are probably high numbers from the get go. Every country on earth probably have good pussy. Even the least interesting country in the world for girls can possibly surprise. But a more believable story to tell would be that you are looking for change due to your polygamous nature.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2196578]For sure there are men who seek high optics and high services. But you somewhat alluded to the problem. If there are only two WGs in the entire club that you are willing to consider, then you can't really shop around for a better deal. So that means if the WG stands her ground, you are forced to agree to her terms, because you have no other viable options.[/QUOTE]True, but this is when you just pick girl #8 in the club randomly while having girl #1 and #2 watch you while walking to the room. And then skip the club for 6 months afterwards.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2196578]For sure there are men who seek high optics and high services. But you somewhat alluded to the problem. If there are only two WGs in the entire club that you are willing to consider, then you can't really shop around for a better deal. So that means if the WG stands her ground, you are forced to agree to her terms, because you have no other viable options.[/QUOTE]It's a possible problem [B]if[/B] there were only 2 girls, or for guys who need to try lots and lots of new girls. For me, in large clubs with 75+ girls, the number of girls who meet the minimum optics bar is 6-10. At smaller clubs with 40+ girls, that number is usually 3-5. Factoring in girls that aren't working that day or are on holiday, that leaves me with plenty of options to not have to agree to a girl's terms, at least not on a regular basis.

The big issue I definitely see with high optic and service standards is the number of new girls to try. A friend tells me that he tried over 50 new girls last year in a little less than 100 club days. In comparison, I tried 12-15 new girls in under 50 visits. If I was an every weekend guy, there may not be enough girls. But as long as you restrict yourself to just Sharks and Oase, the 4-6 trip per year mongers or even a monthly monger, that should be enough women to choose from while not having to compromise service expectations.

[QUOTE=Turgid;2196417]Think again. As a reminder here is an excerpt from a post by Ultrahappy in the Oase thread:"I remember one time, when she hadn't been at Oase so long, I tried to explain to a group of Chinese guys I was chatting with that it probably made sense to avoid her due to her bad service. Then, one of the Chinese guys promptly ran off to the room with her. One of the Chinese guys explained to me, "You see, it doesn't matter how bad she is. We don't get to fuck girls that look like that in China. It's worth it just for the experience of being able to fuck her -- no matter how bad the service is. ".[/QUOTE]That is called a fetish. Fetishes get old pretty quickly after you have scratched the itch. They fall under the category of fantasy. Most guys like to try girls that are different than what they normally have access to.

[QUOTE=Takedown;2196636]But as long as you restrict yourself to just Sharks and Oase, the 4-6 trip per year mongers or even a monthly monger, that should be enough women to choose from while not having to compromise service expectations.[/QUOTE]As long as you [B]don’t[/B] restrict yourself to just Sharks and Oase.

[QUOTE=McAdonis;2196578]For sure there are men who seek high optics and high services. But you somewhat alluded to the problem. If there are only two WGs in the entire club that you are willing to consider, then you can't really shop around for a better deal. So that means if the WG stands her ground, you are forced to agree to her terms, because you have no other viable options.[/QUOTE]Beauties are rare for my eyes, in whole FKK land, so when I find only 1, I'm happy and motivated to work hard with her, like I did on 2 last week ends at Sharks. She was perfect for me: Classy, sophisticated, charming, good manners, not hunting, but she doesn't want to keep on working in FKK. I would have been happy to have her for only girl for my weekly visits, trying to build her to become great for me, like I did at LR. I m used to make girls will to improve for me and repeat. Best for my mind, because closest to real.

Unfortunately, she was not motivated to work for cheap rate, but we had 3 1 h 100 rooms, her first and single rooms on a Sunday and Friday because she didn't want to work after. Rare woman type. 25 yo Romanian, brunette with wonderful blue eyes.

How is the outdoor facilities in Sharks? And do the girls also come to sunbath naked to the swimming pool, like they do in Oase? Swimming pool seems much smaller than the one in Oase.

Are there any "Dessous-Tag" in Sharks?

I will have a whole Thursday, but in Oase, Thursday is Dessous-Tag which I don't like.

My last times in Sharks were many years ago and it was always on winter time, so I don't recall the outdoor.

[QUOTE=Creature2;2196761]How is the outdoor facilities in Sharks? And do the girls also come to sunbath naked to the swimming pool, like they do in Oase? Swimming pool seems much smaller than the one in Oase.

Are there any "Dessous-Tag" in Sharks?

I will have a whole Thursday, but in Oase, Thursday is Dessous-Tag which I don't like.

My last times in Sharks were many years ago and it was always on winter time, so I don't recall the outdoor.[/QUOTE]Yes to your first question.

Yes Tuesday to second question.

Tuesday is Dessous-Tag at Sharks. And I don't like it either. BTW: I was at Sharks yesterday. And the line-up was pretty poor. So many fake boobs. Also no new stunners. Also only 3 (not so pretty) germans- which were either fat, old, or ugly (I don't like those blown up lips, yikes).

[QUOTE=Creature2;2196761]How is the outdoor facilities in Sharks? And do the girls also come to sunbath naked to the swimming pool, like they do in Oase? Swimming pool seems much smaller than the one in Oase.

Are there any "Dessous-Tag" in Sharks?

I will have a whole Thursday, but in Oase, Thursday is Dessous-Tag which I don't like.

My last times in Sharks were many years ago and it was always on winter time, so I don't recall the outdoor.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Turgid;2195790]I believe that guys whose optic girls are not regarded as hot by the majority of blokes are lucky. Throughout my life I have viewed girls who are considered hot by the majority of men as, in fact, optics. However, I have reached the stage in my life where beauty alone does not do it for me. Also, my experience at FKKs is that the hotter the provider the worse the service generally. I much prefer to have a good performance by an average girl than a lukewarm one by a looker. Sessioning an optic means spending more money for poorer service, I'd leave such sessions for inexperienced mongers which I once was.[/QUOTE]I agree with what you say. The quality of the experience has little to do with the level of beauty. If a girl is very beautiful and very bored you are clearly not going to have a good time, and affecting an air of boredom unfortunately goes hand in hand with beauty. I look for a certain attitude that is almost impossible to describe in words but essentially is the same thing I looked for in my younger days in the disco, I could call it a vibe. If the vibe is encouraging then proceed. When looking for the vibe looks become almost irrelevant.

I plan to visit Sharks in the near future and I am wondering if there are some really great looking Milfs with outstanding service quality around. If not at Sharks where else can I find the ultimate service only a real woman can provide.

Any suggestions are highly appreciated.