Sao Paulo Reports

[QUOTE=Steve9696;2961483]See Rio thread for the Girlfriend part of the sandwich with Manu. And quite an improvised bonus night at 4 x4 and other clubs.

But now it's back to So Paulo for the other half of the buffet. Going to be a strict diet of Scandallo and Casarao for me. By now I've connected w some other ISG guys and it's a larger crew, mixed with their regulars and new girls we are finding.[/QUOTE]Good reports, looks like you had a great time. Look forward to your next adventures.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2961455]Just sharing my opinion. Better not reading if you don't want to get upset.

Since Altobomgosto left us I never spent more than one minute updating on the Sao Paulo thread. To me it seems like reading a thread from another country. All these short-time travellerers spending big money telling how they got fantastic sex and BBBJ from a girl at Scandallo at a cost of 1-2 months salaries. I don't mind as every one spending their money as they want. On the opposite, lets put all the big spenders, who save up for their short holiday, in one place without ruining the game for other mongers.

I understand these newbies big spenders way of thinking. They pay an absurd amount of money and think they get the best quality. However when buying pussy in Brazil, price isn't equal to quality. That's awful to hear, isn't it? Spending all that absurd money and listen to somebody telling that they are throwing away their money. Not to forget, the few photos of Scandallo girls that have been posted are nothing remarkable.

My remarks has nothing to do with budgets. Most of us could spend big box on pussy, but I would feel like an *diot paying 2 months salaries just to stick my dick in a p*ssy.

I do enjoy go clubbing in high-end clubs, but not with h**ckers. To me it's like dressings pigs in nice clothes imaging I'm getting laid because of my big charm.

Whatever, to each their own. Have fun![/QUOTE]The only one here who seems to be upset is you. You say "to each is own" only after harshly criticizing those mongers who enjoy luxe environments. You call them "newbies" even though many of them have been mongering and posting for years. There was a time when Altobomgosto was the only one who was posting in this thread. It's 1,000 times better now. Why? Because back then we were getting only one guy's opinions on Sao Paulo. One guy's biased opinions! He would always say you were overpaying if you went to the nightclubs because the girls in the clinicas looked as good. If they did then the clinicas would be first choice, but to me and many others they don't. He talked up the clinicas. Well, I went to the clinicas and was a little disappointed as the girls absolutely did not look as good. Saw one girl so fat she literally had to turn sideways to get through the door! I went to one clinica he described as nice, but I thought it was kind of dumpy. One man. One (biased) opinion!

And what do you mean two months pay? If you go to Scandallo and pay a girl 1,200 reals that's like around $200. How is that two months pay? You have to also pay for the room but adding that in still doesn't amount to two months pay. You have the consumable charge, but that isn't paid to stick your dick in some pussy. It's paid to enjoy the food and drink offered by the establishment in a luxe environment, sometimes with a live band. People who go to a place like a Scandallo (and the other nightclubs) aren't just a bunch of "overpaying newbies". They are people who have tastes different from your own, and the budgets to satisfy said tastes. If you really believed in "to each his own" then you would save your harsh criticisms and do more "live and let live". Altobomgosto's cherished clinicas have their place. The price is right, and you can find some cuties. But they're in a different kind of league. I call it the "day league", and it's certainly worth playing in. But so is the "night league" if you have the coin and the inclination.

In short, it's a good idea to play in both leagues if you can time and money wise. We should stop criticizing and condemning others for their decisions on this and how they choose to spend their own money. Focus on you and what makes you happy versus on somebody else and what makes you unhappy. This thread is so much better and far more useful than it used to be when Altobomgosto was posting because we have the benefit of many more views and opinions. Budget mongers and big spenders. The notion that somebody is "ruining the market" is bullshit! Especially in a place like Brazil where there are so many markets to operate in. I honestly say to each his own. And keep on mongering!

[QUOTE=TheCane;2961580]Well, I went to the clinicas...[/QUOTE]Sorry for making you upset. BTW, it might be time for you to travel to Brazil again to calm down. Can you tell how many years since you last came here?

[QUOTE=TheCane;2961580]The only one here who seems to be upset is you. You say "to each is own" only after harshly criticizing those mongers who enjoy luxe environments. You call them "newbies" even though many of them have been mongering and posting for years. There was a time when Altobomgosto was the only one who was posting in this thread. It's 1,000 times better now. Why? Because back then we were getting only one guy's opinions on Sao Paulo. One guy's biased opinions! He would always say you were overpaying if you went to the nightclubs because the girls in the clinicas looked as good. If they did then the clinicas would be first choice, but to me and many others they don't. He talked up the clinicas. Well, I went to the clinicas and was a little disappointed as the girls absolutely did not look as good. Saw one girl so fat she literally had to turn sideways to get through the door! I went to one clinica he described as nice, but I thought it was kind of dumpy. One man. One (biased) opinion![/QUOTE]Some people seem to forget that Altobomgosto's made his money taking guys on clinica tours. This was where ABG could be a big, big help to newbies or guys who just liked it laid out for them. He might have also had some deal with specific clinicas.

If I remember correctly, ABG was a paid sponsor so the moderators allowed him leeway as basically a clinica spokesperson. It wasn't a big deal if you picked up on his bias. One time he got a bit aggressive arguing for the clinicas. I'm fairly certain the mod told him to dial it down.

This walk down recent memory lane has a relevant point. New members should take in a lot of opinions when deciding their itineraries. Some experienced members will be very helpful and engage with your style of travel.

People should just accept that there are high rollers who visit P4P establishments. The mongering world does not discriminate and is available for all adult men who want to participate.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2961580]The only one here who seems to be upset is you. You say "to each is own" only after harshly criticizing those mongers who enjoy luxe environments. You call them "newbies" even though many of them have been mongering and posting for years. There was a time when Altobomgosto was the only one who was posting in this thread. It's 1,000 times better now. Why? Because back then we were getting only one guy's opinions on Sao Paulo. One guy's biased opinions! He would always say you were overpaying if you went to the nightclubs because the girls in the clinicas looked as good. If they did then the clinicas would be first choice, but to me and many others they don't. He talked up the clinicas. Well, I went to the clinicas and was a little disappointed as the girls absolutely did not look as good. Saw one girl so fat she literally had to turn sideways to get through the door! I went to one clinica he described as nice, but I thought it was kind of dumpy. One man. One (biased) opinion!

In short, it's a good idea to play in both leagues if you can time and money wise. We should stop criticizing and condemning others for their decisions on this and how they choose to spend their own money. Focus on you and what makes you happy versus on somebody else and what makes you unhappy. This thread is so much better and far more useful than it used to be when Altobomgosto was posting because we have the benefit of many more views and opinions. Budget mongers and big spenders. The notion that somebody is "ruining the market" is bullshit! Especially in a place like Brazil where there are so many markets to operate in. I honestly say to each his own. And keep on mongering![/QUOTE]I'm assuming that Sperto lives in or spends a large portion of the year in Brasil. It's a completely different dynamic for someone like him that has lots of time on the ground. They are going to make connections with women that the typical hobbyist can't. They likely will have no need to spend a lot of money at spots like Scandallo because they already know tons of attractive local women.

But for the guy who is in town for a week or two a year, the convenience/quality of experience at Scandallo, Casarao, Bomboa et al is hard to beat. As are the Clinicas during the day.

[QUOTE=Sperto;2961626]Sorry for making you upset. BTW, it might be time for you to travel to Brazil again to calm down. Can you tell how many years since you last came here?[/QUOTE]I'm not upset. I'm just telling it like it is. And you're so predictable. By the way you yourself have had long bouts when you weren't in Brazil. But I guess that's OK if it's you? I have had a very busy and diverse travel schedule. Fifty countries on 5 continents. People should have learned by now not to underestimate me. I have big stuff coming. Big! I'll let my actions speak for themselves. Watch and wait and see.

Don't wait for the girl to give you the price because we know she is likely going to try to scam you first. Instead, offer them 600 to scam them first, and act surprised when they counter with a significantly higher price. Then, settle on a price around 800. You can also mention that you paid 600 last time you visited the club. LOL. Remember, you can always turn a direct negotiation into an indirect one and make it not like a negation. This strategy and numbers worked last week, but I only have one sample. Haha. Having said that, my approach is inspired by another Scandallo regular who posted that he just made an offer of 750 and let every girls know. Sorry that I forgot his name but it is not hard to look him up here.

Scandallo has a premium and it is not dependent on girls. When I went to clubs in other states, the girls that have been to Scandallo are more likely to quote higher price than the much better looking girls at the same club because she has a stereotype of Scandallo customers.

However, don't let the higher price quoted here to condition you to be used to the higher price. If you do, the price will only go even higher faster. LOL. That's the key. You don't have to strictly follow the 600 and 800 numbers mentioned in my post. Adjust the price to whatever you're comfortable with. If it's someone you absolutely must have, ensure they provide everything you desire and go for it. LOL.

Some Scandallo customers have a different calculation. The are ones that travel is supported by business expense. You need to read between the lines and see if your situation aligns with theirs. Then there are some that make 400 K+ annually, they are going to have more disposable income after 6 trips a year then those with 200 K income. Know your limit and spend wisely.

If you value your money, then what you can do is visit the lower price places first to know the merchandise. When you are at Scandallo, take only those that you can't buy elsewhere. Haha.

[QUOTE=HiddenEye;2961163]You looking for street walkers? Not on my menu but I always see them near the butanta/Universidade de sao paulo area.[/QUOTE]He is talking about the walk up buildings that is around 40 R a session.

[QUOTE=TheCane;2961722]By the way you yourself have had long bouts when you weren't in Brazil. Fifty countries on 5 continents.[/QUOTE]I didn't know I had long bouts when I wasn't in Brazil. Except for 2021 I went every year since 1991. No need for bragging about many countries. Most europeans have travelled all over Europe in their late teens and also in Southeast Asia as well. The question remains, which you did avoid, how many years since you've been to Brazil?

[QUOTE=Sperto;2961792]I didn't know I had long bouts when I wasn't in Brazil. Except for 2021 I went every year since 1991. No need for bragging about many countries. Most europeans have travelled all over Europe in their late teens and also in Southeast Asia as well. The question remains, which you did avoid, how many years since you've been to Brazil?[/QUOTE]I have not avoided anything. I don't answer to you. Where and when I go someplace is none of your business. And talk about a braggadocio LOL! I'm just speaking facts. And once again there you are now complaining in another thread about how it used to be hahaha! If you don't like people's reports then stop reading them. And if you don't like how Brazil is now then don't go. Just don't ruin the threads talking about stuff people today don't care about. You should save it!

Another fabulous trip for the books. Arrived on Tuesday and left the next Monday — the most time I have spent in SP with an awesome group of ISG brothers — Lalabo, SocratesNY, Steve9696, T (see Steve9696 posts), Michael lSamuel and was hoping to run into Axel Heyst but we just never saw each other. It was a great time had by all and I enjoyed the week fully. It is good to be a part of friends who think alike and enjoy like activities. It gets harder as we get older to find such brothers so these get togethers mean so much.

Every night was at Scandello which covered all the bases for everyone in the group. A great place to eat, drink, fuck and have a great time overall. I finally did get around to trying a clinica and Casarao.

I went to 57 Friends one afternoon to just shoot my first load so my next ones take longer. On a pure cost basis. If I need to waste one, this is the way to do it. I am not a clinica type of person so it was just in and out for me.

Casarao — I can see the draw. Entry is cheap, drinks are cheap and the girls are cheaper than Scandello. Are the girls Scandello quality — fuck no! But that was on a Sunday night. Maybe on my next trip, I might explore it on a Thursday or Friday to really compare but I already know the answer. I did find a 19 yr who was the best looking in the club for me that I had seen online and was talking to while I was in Rio. We never met and she was in Casarao and it was a good deal. Her ad:

[URL]https://barravipsrio.com/acompanhantes-sao-paulo-sp-jamily[/URL]

A new tip I picked up — on the Uber app, pick the taxi option. Only taxis are allowed to use the Omnibus lane so they can speed thru traffic jams and get to your destination faster. The price difference is fucking negligible between VIP and taxi. Black is still more expensive.

A great week and time spent hanging with the boys!! Looking forward to doing it again soon.

I have no problem with Nounce's buyer's anchor negotiating tactic and I assume it works with most Scandallo girls minus the super lookers, but I will stick with my approach where I let the girls make their offer and attempt to anchor the price high. My results with 3 Scandallo girls, all very sexy / cute, super friendly, girl next door types (tier 2): the girls started out at 1500 br. I responded with an exaggerated, comedic expression and an 800 br counter and we settled on 1000 br immediately. This is up from 800 br my average price back in June with same type girls. Now if Nounce is right, I probably would have paid 800 or 900 br instead of 1000 br. But I can't confirm this. BTW I let loose 2 other girls because they were uninspiring during the audition. My 3 November Scandallo girls all performed very well with one girl outperforming the others with an unasked, but much appreciated BBFS and her wetting the sheets twice during our session. I plan to repeat with her before I leave town. And so far, not one of my new club girls or clinica girls even tried to give me CBJ.

But this has been an unusual trip for yours truly in that I spent all my nights except for 3 nights in 15 days and counting with my favorite girl that I have known since November 2021. She is a Scandallo girl and she tells me her rates in the club have gone up commensurate with all Scandallo girly rates since 2021, but not to me!. We are anchored at 900 br for extended ST (4 to 5 hours). But the extras like a bottle of quality red vino, flower (Brazilian reefer), and dinner every night do add to the cost significantly. Anyway, this solo girl thing has been an experiment on my part, and it has paid off: the sex is really intimate genuinely a GFE. I am very fond of her. Plus, I still have my afternoons free for clinica entertainment. So, have I lost my marbles? I don't think so. KKK. Is this one my GF? No, not really. Is she my mistress? Yeah, when I am in town, but I will not be renting her an apartment or sending her cash from Florida any time soon. KKK. Do I miss not hitting Scan and Bomboa more this trip? Yeah! I do. But I am glad I made the experiment this trip anyway.

Now a shout out to Steve96, Mr. T, and Socrates. As you guy know, I am lone wolf, but it was great meeting you guys at Scandallo. See you again some time soon! To Steve and Mr T: we are now sportsmen & comrades in arms. I think you know what I mean. Happy trails to you guys, you know how to have a great time.

A. H.

[QUOTE=Anaggie;2961901]Another fabulous trip for the books. Arrived on Tuesday and left the next Monday the most time I have spent in SP with an awesome group of ISG brothers Lalabo, SocratesNY, Steve9696, T (see Steve9696 posts), Michael lSamuel and was hoping to run into Axel Heyst but we just never saw each other. It was a great time had by all and I enjoyed the week fully. It is good to be a part of friends who think alike and enjoy like activities. It gets harder as we get older to find such brothers so these get togethers mean so much.
[/QUOTE]I am sorry we (I) got our wires crossed up and did not hook up. It was entirely my fault. I think it was the night of the 14th. I was planning to go to Scandallo all day long, but at the last moment, I called an audible and went to Bomboa instead thinking you and the guys were still in RJ. It was a BIG mistake! Bomboa was not very good that night and I imagine you guys were partying up a storm in Scandallo. It's my only regret of the trip, but it won't happen next time.

A. H.

[QUOTE=AxelHeyst;2961909]I am sorry we (I) got our wires crossed up and did not hook up. It was entirely my fault. I think it was the night of the 14th. I was planning to go to Scandallo all day long, but at the last moment, I called an audible and went to Bomboa instead thinking you and the guys were still in RJ. It was a BIG mistake! Bomboa was not very good that night and I imagine you guys were partying up a storm in Scandallo. It's my only regret of the trip, but it won't happen next time.

A. H.[/QUOTE]No problem. Looking forward to meeting you next time around. I'm.