Sosua Reports

[QUOTE=ORourke86;1515919]I can assure you that my decision to pay 500 pesos had little if anything to do with the principle of the matter. I didn't want that girl pointing me out to all of her chica friends as the guy who will still pay up if you fail to deliver.[/QUOTE]Okay, but what I was talking about was you not paying 1500 for a particular reason initialy. Your initial reaction to NOT pay 1500 was because you didn't feel she performed as expected / agreed.

"I agreed to delete the photos (and did) but refused to pay: "No trabajas, no pago!"

Thats the principle you were focused on initially. And besides, there is nothing wrong with having multiple reasons for making a decision. Whether one realizes it or not. Because you paid the 500 pesos later, she can still assume you are the guy that will pay if a chica fails to deliver. Further a chica can advise her friends, to make sure no security, staff or backup is around for you to defer to next time. I'm sure that chica paid attention to how that went down too. Even if the focus is on the best possible outcome, you are still dealing with the principle. The principle in this case is exercising damage control, and defending yourself from being cheated.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1515910]And most know them barracudas don't appreciate the drinks and meals they get. In fact, if you ask me, I am leaning more into believing those gestures of treating working girls to anything above simple p4p, potentially gives some of them the inclination a dude is soft or weak. It's like were showing these hoes a weakness by trying to enjoy a GFE with them. Have them for a couple of days and then you open yourself up for more trouble. Communicate with them when back home and instantly, you find yourself subject to requests for gifts, sob stories, pleading for help, constant attempts at guilt tripping dudes. You name it, we have all heard it. All of that potentially communicates a weakness, an area they'll try to exploit. I recently turned off the power on my DR phone. I usually keep it on, to whatsapp with a few chicas.[/QUOTE]The hardcore putas on the strips will take advantage of any sign of weakness and generosity to them is just a gateway to a bigger payoff. Men are always doing things for attractive women so they're not likely to be impressed by being "wined and dined." I'm a nice guy but I've realized you can't be "soft" with these girls, at least not in the beginning. Don't buy drinks, don't take them out to dinner and don't give any gifts unless they've done something to earn it. There are some genuinely sweet girls in the bunch but I'd advise my fellow mongers not to drop their guard.

[QUOTE=The Mind Bender;1515951]The hardcore putas on the strips will take advantage of any sign of weakness and generosity to them is just a gateway to a bigger payoff. Men are always doing things for attractive women so they're not likely to be impressed by being "wined and dined." I'm a nice guy but I've realized you can't be "soft" with these girls, at least not in the beginning. Don't buy drinks, don't take them out to dinner and don't give any gifts unless they've done something to earn it. There are some genuinely sweet girls in the bunch but I'd advise my fellow mongers not to drop their guard.[/QUOTE]I agree not even with the sweet ones. They are only sweet for so long. And many aspire to have the same skills as their hardcore comrades. Some even develop and combine sweetness with hardcore skill, which can make it harder to recognize their potential for giving a guy trouble.

[QUOTE=ORourke86;1515919]her performance might fall flat or she'd want me to pay up front. But I thought what the hell, let's give it a shot. And good thing too, because she did not disappoint. There was no discussion of paying up front-which I would not have agreed to. We both relaxed a bit with some light kissing and general playfulness. Then we exchanged massages. When I saw that things were going well, I gave her some lingerie and she happily put them on. She seemed so grateful for the gift. She gave an incredible BBBJ which we had discussed in advance. Then we had sex for a long time before I finished with a CIM (not discussed in advance!). She was a real treat so I got her number for later. I paid her the 1500 for a little less than two hours, plus another 200 for tip and moto (I assumed she was going to DL after). She was worth every penny.[/QUOTE]Now thats what I call a good story with a happy ending.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1515910]At the time you were interviewing and feeling her out (over food and drink) , she should have been grilled on why she felt you did not have to pay any pesos. If she couldn't come up with a reason that actually made sense, (since her whole purpose there is whoring for cash) a dude should be prepared to throw that fish back in the pond. Because a chica whose a stranger to you saying no pesos is clearly a red flag. An obvious reason to suspect a chica is trying to bamboozle a guy. A valid reason not to take her.[/QUOTE]And this goes for anybody who does not want to give you a price upfront for anything. It reminds me of when I was in Boca Chica buying fish and I asked the guy how much it would cost. He kept telling me not to worry about it. Then when I finished eating he thought he was going to hit me with a bill for 800 pesos. I cursed him out and gave him 400 and told him that the only reason I was giving him that much was because his little daughter went to buy me a Coke; thinking he could just rip anybody off who came along.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1515955]I agree not even with the sweet ones. They are only sweet for so long. And many aspire to have the same skills as their hardcore comrades. Some even develop and combine sweetness with hardcore skill, which can make it harder to recognize their potential for giving a guy trouble.[/QUOTE]There's nothing better than an "uncorrupted" sweet girl who can perform. Got to treasure while you have her because the next visit she won't be the same.

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Charles Pooter, especially you! Thanks so much. And Frannie too! And many others!

1. I spent 4 weeks in Sosua and POPlata. 4 nights at BB's. 4 nights at an all inclusive in Playa Doradas, and 5 nights at two of the Lifestyle properties in POP Playa de Cofresi. In Sosua I spent about 16 nights in total at Casa Cayena.

2. I had built up an extensive list thru the Cupid dating site before arriving in the DR. And Sosua bars were mostly for ambiance, fun, hanging out, dancing, watching the chicas etc. At BB's I had 3 TLN's and several in the hot tub only. I loved the pool and Restaurante at BB's, hanging with the guys, the general ambiance. The room had water issues, and the wifi was constantly in and out on my iPad. I liked the beach near BB's because it is wider, but my favorite is the Sosua beach to see the locals and experience the locals. I met a Canadian guy named Keith at BB's, who also had an apartment long term rental in Costambar and thru him met up with a couple of well connected NY guys living in the same apt complex for 6 or more months a year in POP. These guys are well connected and have been very helpful They live with 18-24 year old chicas, who last a month or more at a time, from what ai could tell! All non pros!

3. In Sosua I met another great American guy who is a Chef and had been living in Sosua for about 8 months and was so incredibly well connected that I hung out with him practically every night. I loved the restaurants in Sosua, particularly Baileys and some other Italian restuarnets as well. I got a Claro phone for about 1600 DOP, exchanged money at the grocery store and then also took money out of the ATM, with a 3 % fee, which I will have minimize in the future, because you can only take a max of 10, 000 DOP, per transaction. The Claro phones were a rip off and I think I must have put at least $150 into them over the course of 1 month.

4. The pro scene is not for me, although I was OK at BB's and a Haitian from Sosua D Latin's, who was with me for 3 days and 3 nights. I had some other 3-4 nightjars with me at the POP resort hotels and also in Sosua thru the Cupid site contacts I had built up and some others local chicas I met thru a bus driver at the Lifestyle resort, who drove me back to Sosua in his car and ferried some chicas from POP to Casa Cayena for me. One great one, a family friend for 3 days and nights.

5. As I mentioned, the Sosua pros are not for me! It's just a personal preference thing and neither are the BB chicas. I have decided that the local non-pros and semi pros, both thru the Cupid site, and local guys in POP who helped me, to be my best experiences. I also prefer 3-4 nights, if the chica and I find it works for both of us. I had taken over a dozen 100 ml perfume bottles, good quality stuff from the US. 25 sets of earrings, several $80 Brazilian bikinis as well and was good about mixing them up with dineros, except at BB's, where I stuck to their pricing program. All chicas got at least what the BB chicas get per night, from me, in terms of dineros and gifts. Usually much more than the BB's TLN rate!

I hurt my right arm at BB's on my 3rd night, after one too many at 130 am in the pool, trying to jump out of the deep end, by trying to push up. Hurt some tendons and nerves, still not completely recovered after 1 month! But 90 percent of the way there! My fault. Dumb of me to not realize I am no longer in my 20's. So, that limited my activities for the second half of my 4 week trip. I loved the Lifestyle resort and the Blue Bay Villas as well. Love the shows, entertainment, food and booze and the private beaches! Got decent deals thru Travelocity from $70-$108 per night, for 2 people, all inclusive! Plan to do many more of those on my next trip. Keep moving and checking out of different properties, so I can change the chicas for each 3-4 night stay!

6. My first time in the DR. I really liked it. Want to be back in March / April for about 6-7 weeks, but mostly in POP, if I can find multiple quality weekly apartment rentals, with great Wifi, no water / hot water issues, generator for power outages and good pool etc. All of which BB's, Casa Cayena, and the resorts in Playa Doradas and Lifestyle Playa de Cofresi had the quality I was looking for. But I prefer the Sosua beach, the restaurants in Sosua, having everything within walking distance etc. So, I will be back at Casa Cayema probably for 2 of the 6-7 weeks. Yes, I am pretty much retired and so I have the time and the adventure spirit and want to meet real non pro locals, primarily. Cause that is the only experience I like. Don't care for the short time or 1 nighter either. So I guess I am pretty much off the norm for 90 peremt of the people on this board, BTW, please do not take any of that in a pejorative sense. Because we are all different and whatever works for each of us. At our various stages in life.

7. If any one has any suggestions for quality weekly apartment rentals in Puerto Plata, please PM me! And I am happy to answer questions. BTW, I am not the picture taking type, so I have just a few, and I never asked any chica permission to post anyway.

8. I know I don't care for the pros in Sosua. I am sure there are many exceptions, like the Haitian chica. But I think they are all hardened by their own experiences and over time become largely transactional. By contrast, the Cupid chicas and local contacts, though a lot of work, and with only a 30-40 great experience ratio, still worked better for me!

[QUOTE=Haven123;1516048]I know I don't care for the pros in Sosua. I think they are all hardened by their own experiences and over time become largely transactional.[/QUOTE]Nice! A lot of Sosua vets have moved on for exactly the reasons you mentioned. So much pussy all over the island. Good to see you caught on fast.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1516052]Nice! A lot of Sosua vets have moved on for exactly the reasons you mentioned. So much pussy all over the island. Good to see you caught on fast.[/QUOTE]Thanks! If you would ever want to coordinate 1-2 of my next stays at one of the resorts at either Blue Bay Villas Playa Doradas or Lifestyle. Each with our own chica. For 3-4 nights each. That would be great. I missed not being part of a group. As a matter of fact, if we can get 3-4 guys, each with their own chicas, I think hanging at the resort pools, pools bars, restaurants, discos, shows etc. Would also be a lot more fun! FWIW.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1516048]Keep moving and checking out of different properties, so I can change the chicas for each 3-4 night stay![/QUOTE]Excellent idea! I'm going to try this on my next trip. Thanks for the tip.

[QUOTE=SavePros321;1516013]Sociopaths invent outrageous lies about their experiences. They wildly exaggerate things to the point of absurdity, but when they describe it to you in a storytelling format, for some reason it sounds believable at the time."[/QUOTE]The truth is much stranger than fiction.

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[QUOTE=ORourke86;1515919]I didn't want that girl pointing me out to all of her chica friends as the guy who will still pay up if you fail to deliver.[/QUOTE]ORourke86, I just wanted to add a little more perspective in regards to your scenario, and to your statement above. Apparently, what some of these chicas think about you is important to you or a concern. Connecting that to your scenario, in hindsight do you think when you offered that chica a gift (the lingerie) before her having to earn it, that that was a good look for you?

I re-read your scenario. That gift wasnt as important to her as the money. Her focus was on what she really came for, the money. At some point you tried to reason with her about you being "kind and generous" to her, giving her a gift, so why wouldn't you pay her? That didnt phase her much. Even that exchange can come off as being weak in the eye of that chica, and all of her friends she shares that story with. In addition, when she said you would have to pay her, she requested that you delete her photos from YOUR camera. And you complied. That chica has got some balls, to make a dude delete pics from his camera.

What message can that potentially send to the chica communication network? Did she get to keep the lingerie too? If not, no problem. She just tells her girls that you are the guy who gives out gifts. The next chica can get the gift. If she did take the lingerie with her, well that reinforces a potential negative for you within the CCN.

"Girl I'm a fucking working girl and this dude gave me lingerie just because I came to his place. I didn't care about that, I wanted to know about my damn money"."yeah girl, I put on an academy award performance making him think I liked and adored the lingerie, but girl, that shit was more important to him than it was to me. I just want to make sure I get paid." "Ya know girl, I really didn't want to fuck him, because him giving me lingerie seemed kinda scary, as if he was trying to treat me like a GF"."Thats why I asked for my money up front" "I didn't want him to think that that lingerie was any form of payment, him giving me a gift?" "That shit was on him" Of course I am ad libbing here. I can't think in but one head, but I wouldn't be surprised in the least if this is how chicas are thinking about our behavior with them.

Another consideration. You recall me saying the initial reason you didn't pay the girl is because you felt she didn't earn the 1500? No work, no pay. Was basically what you told her. Now consider how you may have confused that hoe by giving her lingerie in the beginning, without her having to work for it, but later say you won't pay her 1500 because she didn't work for that? You initially set the stage that you will give when nothing is earned. So she made an attempt to get some money up front. This isn't just for you. Things like this is something we all need to pay attention to while we are mongering. Many of us feel good giving shit to women and hoping they appreciate it.

With strangers (especially working girls) , it's probably best to stick to the principle of paying or gifting chicas, ONLY AFTER services are performed. And when it comes to strangers be mindful of the possibility that she may not be the type that gives a damn about being given a gift, or you being kind and generous. Oh yeah they'll play if off as if they absolutely love the gift and are having a swell time with you, and make you feel all proud and shit, but the bottom line is they know deep down they didn't earn it. And whether they know it or not, they may have a decreased level of respect for you subconsciously, even though they are all smiles in your face. And if a dude has some concerns about the CCN getting hold of how he operates with chicas, you best believe it may have some bearing on how that dude is perceived from that point on.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico;1515556]Is Superbowl weekend still considered to be the worst mongering time in Sosua?[/QUOTE]I wonder by whose account or standard O? This will be my 3rd time being in Sosua when SB was on. I absolutely enjoyed myself each time. For one, SBW usually brings more chicas to Sosua hoping to make some quick cash. 2ndly, all mongers don't roll the same, so there usually is no reason to be concerned about there being less chicas to hook up with. Plus guys have more of their friends there to socialize with instead of just chicas.

When I come to Sosua, I rarely go to the strip looking for prospects. I can sit in "the office" (Rockys) and fish from my seat. Chicas are all over the place all day and all night. I can find a chica to bang just about anywhere, and never set foot in Rumba or D'Latin. Plus, many mongers have regulars and favoritas they keep in contact with. A dude can connect with Dom Cupid chicas online prior to coming or even when he is in Sosua. IMO, I think SBW potentially brings out more dimes than usual.

Perhaps the thing that contributes to SBW being the worst time for some, is because many hotels are packed to the brim. Fewer choices of hotels or good rooms. Plus more people means they have to step up their game when it comes to service. Room service, restaurant service probably sucks during that time. Can the bars and workers keep up with the demand? Or perhaps people are concerned about the increased volume of knuckleheads that will be showing their asses that week?

Regardless of what is going on around me, I usually enjoy the hell out of myself during that time. And guess what? I don't even watch football.