[QUOTE=Harold444; 1295166]Where do these goofballs get their prices from=mr ententional?
Black and anorexic? Old with 5 kids?[/QUOTE]Racist. Epic fail.
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[QUOTE=Harold444; 1295166]Where do these goofballs get their prices from=mr ententional?
Black and anorexic? Old with 5 kids?[/QUOTE]Racist. Epic fail.
[QUOTE=Harold444; 1295166]Where do these goofballs get their prices from=mr ententional?
Isn't 1500-2ooo more appro. For short time.
Do you guys go for girls with no tits? Black and anorexic? Old with 5 kids? Or just the bottom of the barrel types?[/QUOTE]No, it was a young, small, slim and hard-bodied dancer from Suzie Wong. If ever you have been to Suzie Wong, which I doubt very much, you know that even their "bottom-of-the-barrel" types are way above what you will ever find in your bed, even if you pay jap-rates.
[QUOTE=Mackin; 1295017]Last November a friend who is oriental was wondering around Nana. He was being quoted 4000 be for LT. This was in the Rainbow 4 bar. That is totally crazy. I have not ventured in to a rainbow bar since as one time the door guy acted like an ass so I told him to put it where the sun doesn't shine. Have no interest in going back. Actually I don't care for Nana itself. To many other places to do my shopping.
I think Nic is correct. Get to be a regular and the picture will change for you. 3000 baht is a good LT price, very fair and all. Still, it is on the high end and must be earned. 1500 to 2000 is also fair for ST. Again negotiate, see what happens.[/QUOTE]I paid 2500B LT in Feb last year at Nana for a girl from DC10. I cannot recall her name for the life of me, but she was a very petite little thing. She wasn't exactly what you'd describe as hot, actually very plain, but more than made up for that in the sack. She was my first bargirl and bar fine. She won't be the last.
I really had no idea what I was doing though, I probably spent far too long [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]-farting around, and I ended up buying quite a few drinks before barfining her. At the end though, she was MORE than happy with 2500 (maybe could've pushed for 2000).
In future, I think I'll just go ST. I'm not one for sex early in the morning, and being a greedy bugger, I prefer to roll around in a bed by myself when I'm asleep.
BKK in September! Viva!
[QUOTE=Harold444; 1295168]Sir der you are smart boy. Hot chciks don't negotiate.
They don't need to!
Now cold chicks-negotiate away-I bet you get the anus for extra roi baht. LOL.[/QUOTE]Yes they do, especially if you treat them right and get them on the right night or in the right moment. Not worth arguing over, you keep paying 3-4000, we will keep paying 1-2000. At 15 times out a month, that amount in extra baht goes an incredibly long way. It astounds me that guys are that naive that they think they actually get better service by paying more. Then again, there's a sucker born every minute.
Wolven that's some neat record-keeping you are doing. I guess anything is possible. I've never tried to go lower than 1500 ST. Maybe I will now.
Mackin: you can get 1500 ST quite easily in any of the Nana bars except the Rainbows. I don't go to the Rainbows anymore. The smaller bars are cheaper and have better service.
[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1295260]Wolven that's some neat record-keeping you are doing. I guess anything is possible. I've never tried to go lower than 1500 ST. Maybe I will now.
Mackin: you can get 1500 ST quite easily in any of the Nana bars except the Rainbows. I don't go to the Rainbows anymore. The smaller bars are cheaper and have better service.[/QUOTE]In my experience there is no hard and fast formula for arriving at what you pay in go go's. It depends on.
How popular the girl is, she will know from experience what she is capable of earning per night which will depend on the time of the evening, how busy the joint is and what nationalities are in. As mentioned elsewhere Japanese do tend to pay more as prices back home are much higher than Thailand so 5000 or even 10000 for top class talent is acceptable. Less popular girls have obviously lower expectations and some will gladly accept 1500 for ST or even LT if the chemistry is right.
The time of the evening is important. A girl may refuse 3000 early in the evening believing that she can hook a 5000 "John". However as the midnight hour approaches and things are not looking that promising she lowers her expectations and might depending on how badly she needs money end up accepting 2000 or even less.
While girls will have standards for who they will go with by and large these are not particularly stringent. Believing a girl will lower her price because you are well dressed polite young and "hansom" with a sparkling witty personality that she finds irresistable is self delusion and just does not fit the fact that these girls are working not socialising. Why would she when it costs her money. We all like to think we are attractive to them but you are just another face in the crowd of which she sees thousands and rarely if ever remembers any of them after they leave.
Finally it is true a girl will quote a higher price than that which she is prepared to accept so it is worth mentioning that you usually pay such and such and if that's acceptable ok if not thank you and have a nice evening. If what you are offering is close to her expectation it's a done deal.
[QUOTE=Oldian;1295256]- - Not worth arguing over, you keep paying 3-4000, we will keep paying 1-2000.[/QUOTE]This is the big question: if he pays, if he mongers.
[QUOTE=Oldian;1295256]Yes they do, especially if you treat them right and get them on the right night or in the right moment. Not worth arguing over, you keep paying 3-4000, we will keep paying 1-2000. At 15 times out a month, that amount in extra baht goes an incredibly long way. It astounds me that guys are that naive that they think they actually get better service by paying more. Then again, there's a sucker born every minute.[/QUOTE]Never ceases to amaze me either Oldian. I am astounded at what these folks have done to the working girl market. Just an ego thing. If a gal won't take good money, walk away, there are lots of 'them out there.
I remember being in Nom Pehn in '99 and ran into a friend I met in Bangkok who had recently moved there. First thing he said to me was,"This is the price for ST and this is the price for LT. Don't pay more as you will ruin it for all of us." And he was / is right. But again, here in Bangkok we are dealing with big egos from Farangs and big face for Asians. Of course it does not help the gal's attitudes either.
[QUOTE=Chill Out; 1295260]Wolven that's some neat record-keeping you are doing. I guess anything is possible. I've never tried to go lower than 1500 ST. Maybe I will now.[/QUOTE]It must have been "beginner's luck" as she was actually the very first girl I ever barfined from an agogo. Not knowing the usual prices, I opened with a 1000 baht offer and she simply accepted. Of course I am extremely hansum and sweet (wink, wink)
Now that I think of it, she actually came to me and quickly proposed to go with me; I asked her what was her price for LT and she said "up to you" and then I offered 1000 baht.
And I stopped keeping records now: I have a regular Thai GF and I think she would think it very strange if I would keep records of every time we made love.
[QUOTE=Oldian;1295256]Yes they do, especially if you treat them right and get them on the right night or in the right moment. Not worth arguing over, you keep paying 3-4000, we will keep paying 1-2000. At 15 times out a month, that amount in extra baht goes an incredibly long way. It astounds me that guys are that naive that they think they actually get better service by paying more. Then again, there's a sucker born every minute.[/QUOTE]Right night of the month. IOW on their day off at the mall, or "that time of the month" when they are in a mood.
Right moment. IOW drunk or high out of their mind. That should be fun in the sack.
Not worth arguing over. Yet you keep repeating yourself, without addressing points already made.
Extra baht goes a long way. Yeah, no need to waste time or effort talking to the girl or playing the game or games with her, which is another kind of payment, so I'm happy to pay a bit more. But keep doing it your way, if that makes you happy.
Hot chicks from Rainbow 4 LT for 1000 baht? This whole discussion is rather useless without pics, receipts & videotape. By hot do you mean the photo thread kind of hot, which is at best average, or a truly smoking stunner.
Also, lets not forget adding other costs to the alleged story of 1000 Baht, besides all your hard work sharking in bars for hours, IOW drinks and bar fines.
BTW, personally, I've picked up freelancers for 1000 ST off the street that were hotter than anything I've seen in Rainbow 4. With no 600 baht BFs or drinks involved, of course.
Did my arriving 16. 6 and leaving 20. 6 trip to Bangkok. Have some regulars I usualy meet but this time I left them out of it and did an all freelance long weekend except from 1 lady (who I met in Novotel Airport hotel my last day Tuesday 19. 6 as my flight to Oslo departed at 0050am Wednesday 20. 6 I have met her a few times before actually and never had her in the sack but telling her I just had a few hours in BKK before leaving realy did the trick.
Arrival 16. 6 at 06:15am. I was horny as hell as I was lucky to sit next to a stunning girl, called Natkanda, on my 11hrs flight from Oslo to Bangkok. We had a good chat and she could tell me she had been on a Visa run in Norway for almost 3 months. Now she was heading back and it seems she was ready for new adventures. The guy she been visiting in Norway she claimed was now going to sponsor her with 40000Bht per months so she could leave her work and she smiled. She was actually going to her parents place near Udon Thani for a few days before heading back to work in Phuket so now meeting for me and her. I got her contact details if I ever come to the Phuket area so I guess her sponsor was not so lucky after all.
Checking in to Grand President soi 11 around 7:30. Am and had a shower and a few hours of sleep. Went for a walk.
Girl 1. 16. 6 around 11am.
Street walker called herself Boi (picked up from across the street from Landmark and went to my hotel)
Asked for 1000bht.
25 years old. 160cm. 6 in looks (slim but firm body small tits but cute face) and 7 in performance.
Did everything without complaints and gave good service in general.
Fair English.
Added 500bht because she did Anal as well and CIF.
1 pop and one great and long lasting BBBJ.
Girl 2 16/17. 6 (met her around 11pm and we head back to hotel around 4am)
Freelance called herself Bunny met her in Climax. Also ran into one of my regulars and she tried to create a drama saying she lost face and all that BS. But saved the situation with assistance from some management present.
No price discussed.
23years old. 155cm. 8 in looks (very slim and sexy thing, nice boobs and a horny look) and 8 in performance.
Gave me a wild ride in every thinkable position and very into it and very wet.
Decent English.
No anal (but I did not ask so don't know if she will go through with it or not)
Stayed for around 10hrs then I had other plans (at least I told her so)
Many pops and finished twice. Could finish where I wanted on / in her body (up to me). Nice BJ as well.
Did not ask for money as she claimed she was grateful for me buying some bottles of vodka / whiskey to her friends (and also we drank out of it of course)
I promised I would see her another time and I will because she was a great fuck (she had what we call pussy control)
Girl 3 17. 6 (around 5pm. 8pm)
Girl called Nan met at Beergarden. Just a little talk one beer and head for my hotel.
No price discussed.
32years old according to her I'd, around 150cm. 6 in looks and 7 in performance.
Fair English.
Almost the best BBBJ I ever had and I came in her mouth (even not so much sperm as I was a bit dry from the performance earlier that day). But FS not so great but she did anal so all in all 7. Very cute in face but had some stretches from her birth so 6 in looks.
I gave her 2000bht.
Girl 4 17/18. 6 (from around 11 pm and went back to hotel around 3-4am)
Girl called herself Nat. Met her in Spasso.
No price discussed.
33years old. 170cm. 8 in looks and 9 in performance (10 should be high)
A stunner. Nothing to complain about. Fun to be with, spoke great English, nice silicon boobs and ass.
Even had her own Honda so I saved cabfare, hehe.
She did anal and seem to love it as well (again maby good acting) and she was screaming so I almost got afraid.
Had many pops and nice blowjobs but not so many ejaculations as understandable.
She stayed until I had other plans around 4pm.
Gave her 5000bht.
Girl 5 18/19. 6 (the usual time frame)
Girl called herself Kig. Met her in Mix Club.
No price discussed. Ran into one other regular but avoided a nasty situation as she knows I am butterflying a bit.
28years. 165cm. 6/5 (looks / performance). She looked maybe as an 7 in the "dark" but as lights came on not to special.
Not so much English so communication difficult.
All in all an OK choice but nothing more. Did the usual stuff but I think because communication not so good it affected her performance and I was tired and would also save my self to later the same day.
She went around 10 when we woke up.
I gave her 2000bht.
Girl 6 19. 6 (last day from 1pm. 10pm)
Thawanrat is her name. 33 years. 173cm. Arrived to my new hotel, Novotel airport. She lives with her family in the outskirts of Bangkok (not so far from airport) and she does not like to drive into the Bangkok traffic.
We have met on several occasions on dates before (met her in Dia long time ago) but never did any thing but kissing so far. Now I knew it was time and so did she because we talked about this for long time now. Had to lie a bit to her about why I was in BKK "just for a few hours". She stayed until I had to leave for checking in. And when I tried to give her a money gift she reacted and would not accept anything like this. I know her parents are doctors and she lives with them so she is probably well off I guess. My bad.
No points because this could be something more as she has many qualities I like in a woman for maybe a relationship. Who knows.
But she is all good girl and as a beginning the sex was great but also up for improvement.
Nice to arrive 20. 6 in Norway at 7am and straight for work. I had a shower before boarding but felt I smelled pussy all over all day. Nice weekend though.
[QUOTE=Harold444;1295167]Genereally speaking- no you can't get the price you want.[/QUOTE]Okay, whatever price you want within reason. Obviously you will probably never find a chick to go for 30; however, the majority of the chicks (unless they spend a ton on clothes, shoes, trinkets.) are not spending over 1500 / week. That said, offering a woman 1000-2000 for LT is more than within reason.
The problem with most men is that they do not try to negotiate, the woman says a price and their nose is so wide open they just go along with it. Many men also save the whole year to go to LOS for 1-2 weeks so don't care about money and others compare price to what it would cost back home not what it should be in SEA.
[QUOTE=Harold444; 1295166]Where do these goofballs get their prices from=mr ententional?
Isn't 1500-2ooo more appro. For short time.
Do you guys go for girls with no tits? Black and anorexic? Old with 5 kids? Or just the bottom of the barrel types?[/QUOTE]Unless I'm going to some esoteric brothel for the adventure or am really hard up I never pay to fuck a chick I am not attracted to on some level.
No 1500-2000 is not appropriate for ST IMO. Perhaps back when ST meant she stays until you tell her to leave as long as you let her go early enough to get a taxi home or to get home safely, that would have been reasonable. Now ST is generally one shot and many girls who want as many ST customers as possible want you to be done in 15-20 minutes. Here's another way to look at it, compare the 1500-2000 you pay for ST to the 300-700 my friend pays for ST for girls at massage parlors who to his tastes are just as attractive as go-go girls. He's also not getting the rush job that many ST go-go customers get because when he goes to a massage place to fuck if it does happen it happens within the first 15 minutes giving him 45 minutes to do the deed, it's not happening and just enjoys the massage. For those of you in disbelief, he reported to me that all of his Thai friends (he is a black guy) get the same prices.
[QUOTE=Tony Hoeprano;1294907]So for hot girls in the popular gogos (bacarra, the rainbows) you're saying you can get 2K LT? I bet that they won't go below 3K. I might give it a shot though, since I'm such a nice guy, wear clean underwear, and shower twice a day.[/QUOTE]I'm not saying I could at those particular places, but I am definitely the guy who would try. I've also become disciplined enough that most times I can walk away if I don't get the price I want. Hot is also pretty subjective.
You also have to keep in mind that even at the most popular places not everyone is constantly or even regularly bar fined. Der Tourist mentioned a couple of girls who seemed to always get bar fined early by Japanese guys. Yes, these types may be hard to negotiate with (unless you catch them on a night when they want something different) but the overly in demand girls can also tend to be the worst performers because many men fuck them for their looks and not their performance.
Here's some food for thought. If every man who went to Soi Cowboy and Nana agreed to offer and only pay 200 BF + 700 ST and 400 BF + 1200 LT, how long do you think it would take the women to adjust to the prices. I would guess one week because for many of them it is their job, not just a way to supplement income, and making 700-2000 / day is still better than they would get otherwise. The women quote the prices they quote because history has shown that they can find men willing to pay those prices. Guys like me pay less because we are willing to walk away, are more conscious about the money and perhaps are able to, on some subconscious level, spot the ones who are willing to negotiate.
I once met a guy who be it a go-go, beer bar or night club has no problem getting women for free or rock bottom prices (read as enough to send home or buy food for a few days). His secret was that not only did he speak Thai very well, but he understood how to make himself more appealing to Thai women. He was able to joke with them, in Thai, and quickly build up attraction and rapport. He also had the uncanny ability to recognize who was into him or just fun to be around and who was a clinger on. He could also get the ones who were just fun to talk him up to the ones who were interested which he said helped make things much easier. Dude even got me laid and when I asked the girl how much the next day all she said was can we go get a massage.
Many of the strategies that work for me and other guys to get great deals do not work in high volume places. However, the inefficacy of the strategy has more to do with the attitudes of the women than it does the low prices that result from the strategy. There are tons of hot chicks working at bars and go-gos who would happily fuck the same guy every night for a week if all he did was pay the bar fine, her rent for the month and give some money for food because it gives her the sense of consistency and being taken care of that many women want. On the flip side, there are women who just want money money money and for them they will only go with the highest paying customer who makes them work the least.