Hong Kong Club Reports

Keto talks about waves potential and particles. He's potentially a real professor of Physics at Cal Tech!

If the girls allow you to kiss mouth, finger snatch in the club, they would go all out in bed, works for me 100%. Girls who resist always turn into angry girls in bed.

Sometimes I had to have my hand inside their panties while the damn particulate meseros hovered over and watched, just to make sure I would not waste my time and money on a dead, cold, stiff corpse with stinky pussies in the HK morgue.

A lot of discussion on trying to navigate around HK's deteriorating level of service, with rabid meseros and drink charges, etc.

I think the goal should somehow be to avoid sitting with any chica, if its possible that is. Just hang out on your own, with one drink to sip on for a half hour. Just take her up if one approaches you.

In the first minute. (it's usually exactly at the sixty-one second mark that the mesero materializes from the wave potential of matter, to particle in front of you).

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2893326] I basically tell her how I expect her to be,[/QUOTE]I'll bite -- what do you tell her your expectations are?

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2893326]One thing I do, and I'm ashamed sharing this but it's anonymous here so what the hell. When I'm assessing a girl I ask her what is it going to be like when we go up. And then I basically tell her how I expect her to be, essentially extracting commitments on her demeanor (and obviously sexual experience to be had). I've done it enough times that I know what I'm requiring. The last thing I want is a starfish who realizes she's getting her buck twenty either way once you've tipped the robe guy. All negotiating, even down to the demeanor I expect from her, must be done before the words ok let's go up escape your mouth. Once you utter those words the power balance shifts. Before you utter those words you can just shamelessly describe your expectations. Some girls do the sour look like they're telling me you're getting pussy not an actress. And I take that as a win, because that's almost certainly a girl who'd be a disengaged sourpuss in the room.[/QUOTE]While I don't do that myself, I don't see anything to be ashamed about or otherwise wrong with setting expectations. Though maybe the "demeanor" thing is a bit much, either the chica will be into it or she won't be. I'm never going to ask her to be fake about it, LOL. At least for me it comes off as a bit demanding / controlling, but to each his own.

I suppose I take a more passive approach. Generally sit or stand near the bar and wait for chicas to approach me. Obviously it's not always the case but the chicas willing to approach you are generally a bit more likely to be "engaged" during arriba. More often than not I also buy chicas who approach me that I think I might be interested in a drink or two to further evaluate, during which you can often get at least a decent read on how good they will be in the room.

I spent the whole afternoon and evening I hgkg yesterday, Sunday. The game was endless and all the gringos were packing the club sitting on their butt for hours. There were plenty of girls available but the guys were glued to the screens. I asked one or 2 girls their rates; it was $ 150 plus $ 40 for the room; I said fuck that; and then I took a spinner in the privado for 20 minutes; it was great and cost me only $50 + $10 tip.

The problem is that since adelita's shut down, hkg do what exagerated prices they want; no real competitor.

While I'm no fan of HK, its about the only place to hangout on a Sunday morning. As it got closer to noon the girls were flowing in, they even started to outnumber meseros and customers. I would never dream of taking an HK girl up due to the inflated prices. When a nice looking chica approached, I did get that she could be fun vibe I bought her a drink (confirmed fichas are $11 now). When the conversation turned to the vrooom, I asked what about a bee j only? I was a bit surprised when she said 50 . Never heard that one for under 100 for a trip to the room. I said lets go and she was great, took her time and didn't ask for payment upfront. Finally an intelligent HK chica who realized sometimes its not worth it to just stand around not making anything.

[QUOTE=StreamFlyer;2893270]Hello, newbie here. I'm deciding to make my first trip out to HK to get some Chinese food.

Upon doing some research, I heard that the room management will come knocking on your door if your Chicka goes past her 30-min mark in your room, even if you have the room for the night. I guess they demanded for the person to buy $50 in drinks for 30 more minutes, for $100 for the hour.

For someone who has been recently, can anyone confirm? It sounds a bit unfair that they come knocking on your door after the 30 minutes even if the girl doesn't mind staying longer.

TIA.[/QUOTE]
If you get an HK girl during her working hours you can get them to stay 60 minutes in your room. Sometimes they do it on their own because they don't mind hanging out with you, with others you might have to negotiate to get that extra 30 minutes. But if you have your own room you're not going to get a knock until the 60 minute mark. I have been able to get up to 90 minutes due to either the girl not caring or the employees in charge of knocking on the doors are slacking off. Most times you will get the knock at the 60 minute mark though. Alternatively you can get an extra 30 minutes on top of your 60 minutes if you order a $50 bucket. You might have to tip the girl extra if she’s looking to get compensated for the extra time as well.

If you want a girl to stay longer than that you're going to have to get her to visit you on her day off or see her at another hotel.

[QUOTE=AmericanPi;2893326]One thing I do, and I'm ashamed sharing this but it's anonymous here so what the hell. When I'm assessing a girl I ask her what is it going to be like when we go up. And then I basically tell her how I expect her to be, essentially extracting commitments on her demeanor (and obviously sexual experience to be had). I've done it enough times that I know what I'm requiring. The last thing I want is a starfish who realizes she's getting her buck twenty either way once you've tipped the robe guy. All negotiating, even down to the demeanor I expect from her, must be done before the words ok let's go up escape your mouth. Once you utter those words the power balance shifts. Before you utter those words you can just shamelessly describe your expectations. Some girls do the sour look like they're telling me you're getting pussy not an actress. And I take that as a win, because that's almost certainly a girl who'd be a disengaged sourpuss in the room.[/QUOTE]Part I: The Club.

This is the opposite of me. I don't negotiate anything. It just kills the vibe to say, "I want x and why and you better be like z" as though you were ordering a pizza or something. I'll take my chances with a bad experience if I have to, but I don't negotiate.

Instead, what I do is study the girls beforehand. I might need to see a girl 2 or 3 times at the club on previous visits before I make my move. I watch how they interact with other girls, other guys, and their demeanor in general. I also try to visit the club consistently enough that my presence is known to the girls, and they know that can't mess with me because I'll be coming back next week. Also, if they know you're a regular, they might see you as a source of potential steady income, which also gives you an advantage. HK belongs to me, not to them. It's my house, and they are just passing through. This is the attitude you have to take. Of course, I realize you can't do this if you just visit once in a while.

I don't like to make my approach too early in the evening. I find that the girls get more relaxed (and the waiters also) later in their shift. I don't care about being a girls first customer, or getting her when she is fresh. In fact, I like it when I will be her only of the evening, or at least her last. I also don't like to approach girls when the club is too crowded. I like it when it's the early hours of the morning and it has died down a bit. That's when the fun really begins.

I always go alone (except when I've gone with girlfriends from Tijuana). Other dudes would just get in the way and slow me down. I'm there to meet women, not dudes. There are many places in Tijuana to party and get drunk, so It's not my thing to do that in HK.

I try to look for newer girls. This is the one sport where amateurs are always better than pros. I like them skinny with a natural body. No plastic. Not too tiny. Not too much of a doll face. I like girls that are "off-pretty" in the face, or that have a face that has character. I have a thing against girls wearing glasses. These girls either want to be "taken seriously" or "create a barrier" (or they are a lesbian). None of these is a good thing. I don't like girls that wear to much: again, creating a barrier. I don't mind a few tats, but if you are covered in tats, that's a big red flag. I don't like girls that look mean. A lot of these girls walk around pouting the whole night, looking like death warmed over. Even if they are hot, these types are just not approachable, IMO. A girl needs to show some warmth, and look like she is at least having a little bit of fun. I like them maybe a little bit shy, not overly confident. I look for traits that indicate she will be more submissive and willing in the room.

At some point I will just approach a girl and ask her if she want's to come join me at a table. I never ask a waiter to call a girl over. In fact, I avoid waiters whenever possible. Mostly, I just roam the club during the course of the evening. I rarely even sit down because I don't like being approached by either waiters or girls (its just not in a young attractive woman's DNA to approach any male, so you tend to get the older, desperate ones coming up to you! I might sit down later when the club cools down a bit and there are more empty seats.

I like to sit with the girls near the back where it's more chill. I don't like the areas near the main stage where the show-offs are buying their 10 bottles of overpriced Patron. I usually have just a few drinks with a girl before deciding whether to go to the room. I feel like, if you want to socialize with her all night, you should just get her number and ask her to do something with you outside the club. If she speaks English too well, she's been working there to long. If her voice is too deep or sounds haggard, she's been working there too long. If she's too pushy, it's off. If she seems nice and humble, it's on. I speak a little Spanish, or at least can understand what they say. I try to keep the topics upbeat. I like to find out a little about their lives. If they are from Tijuana, what they do for fun, etc. One side note: In my years of coming to Tijuana, I have noticed a curious difference between Mexican girls and American girls, Mexican girls NEVER ask what you do for a living! At least not until they have known you a little bit. But it's never part of the opening conversation. You go to an American club and the first words out of a girl's mouth are, "so what do you do?" Like, I need to know your socio-economic level right away so I don't waste time with you. The attitude in the US is that a man's life is his job-kind of lame if you ask me.

I don't necessarily try to grope the girls, or kiss them. I find that that really isn't a good indicator of what is too come. If I'm getting good signals, I will invite them to come with me to the room. I don't ask the price, nor do I say what I will pay. It's Ok if they quote a price at that time, unless it is too high, then I might balk or might say I only have this much. What I have found though, is that the girls, a lot of time, will just go with no mention of price. What I'm about to say may sound arrogant, but I can attest that it is true. If you are a decent looking white guy, intelligent, but not a nerd, you can pretty much run the table with these girls. For a lot of these girls, it's an ego boost for them to be with you. Because you are perceived as both high status and exotic, it's like a natural aphrodisiac for these women. So I have found that majority of the girls want to have sex anyway, and I kind of view any money exchanged as simply the social lubricant that makes nature take its course faster.

Part II: The Room (coming soon).

[QUOTE=HKMonger;2893779]Part I: The Club.

This is the opposite of me. I don't negotiate anything. It just kills the vibe to say, "I want x and why and you better be like z" as though you were ordering a pizza or something. I'll take my chances with a bad experience if I have to, but I don't negotiate.

Instead, what I do is study the girls beforehand. I might need to see a girl 2 or 3 times at the club on previous visits before I make my move. I watch how they interact with other girls, other guys, and their demeanor in general. I also try to visit the club consistently enough that my presence is known to the girls, and they know that can't mess with me because I'll be coming back next week. Also, if they know you're a regular, they might see you as a source of potential steady income, which also gives you an advantage. HK belongs to me, not to them. It's my house, and they are just passing through. This is the attitude you have to take. Of course, I realize you can't do this if you just visit once in a while.[/QUOTE]Dawg. Your message. Your handle / screen name. Your process no doubt works great but most people cannot be a presence at HK nearly as much as you seem to be able to. Honestly I wouldn't want to but to each his own. Every time I go to HK I feel like how you feel about Vegas. It's fun for a while but it gets old fast. But 3-6 months later I want to go again. How often are you there?

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[QUOTE=BaxterSlade;2893448]While I'm no fan of HK, its about the only place to hangout on a Sunday morning. As it got closer to noon the girls were flowing in, they even started to outnumber meseros and customers. I would never dream of taking an HK girl up due to the inflated prices. When a nice looking chica approached, I did get that she could be fun vibe I bought her a drink (confirmed fichas are $11 now). When the conversation turned to the vrooom, I asked what about a bee j only? I was a bit surprised when she said 50 . Never heard that one for under 100 for a trip to the room. I said lets go and she was great, took her time and didn't ask for payment upfront. Finally an intelligent HK chica who realized sometimes its not worth it to just stand around not making anything.[/QUOTE]
CBJ, I'm assuming? Even still, not bad for a bar girl I guess.

Edit: I just read HKMonger’s post. If you have had great success with that approach, then by all means keep doing what works for you. I have to disagree with a couple of your assessments though. While they’re not necessarily my preference, I have came across several tatted up chicas who turn out to be very loving girls. They may not look like it from the exterior but I have found some to be very submissive and giving in bed, providing amazing sessions and GFE’s.

I also disagree that the attractive younger girls will typically not approach you since its not in their nature. I have just as many of the younger ones, Im talking about 19-21 year olds, approach me just as much as any other age group with a good amount of success that has included GFE type services as well. Theyre definitely out there, I can guarantee you that.

[QUOTE=Nothing24;2893960]I also disagree that the attractive younger girls will typically not approach you since it’s not in their nature. I have just as many of the younger ones, Im talking about 19-21 year olds, approach me just as much as any other age group with a good amount of success that has included GFE type services as well. Theyre definitely out there, I can guarantee you that.[/QUOTE]Usually the experienced older ones are the ones who go from man to man and solicit their services. An HK monger who stands and wait may not experience the best the place offers. An HK monger moves from flower to flower engage and analyze, fast, and pull. Takes lots of errors to get it right. Pouring money at her doesn't guarantee the best of her service.

I stopped an elegant girl, late 20's, dark, slim, tall, tattoos, one of those confident types who slash their hips side to side like a leopard's tail. She turned to me and smiled, beautiful face and shiny white teeth. As I was about to put a dollar in her bra she swung her open palms as if she wanted to slap me in the face. Like nothing happened she swung around and told me to put more dollars in her clothing. I couldn't let that slide, so I asked her, with dollars in hand, what was that gesture about. She looked at me and said, nada, pushed me back and walked away. WTF!

[QUOTE=HKMonger;2893779]Part I: The Club.

This is the opposite of me. I don't negotiate anything. It just kills the vibe to say, "I want x and why and you better be like z" as though you were ordering a pizza or something. I'll take my chances with a bad experience if I have to, but I don't negotiate.

Instead, what I do is study the girls beforehand. I might need to see a girl 2 or 3 times at the club on previous visits before I make my move. I watch how they interact with other girls, other guys, and their demeanor in general. I also try to visit the club consistently enough that my presence is known to the girls, and they know that can't mess with me because I'll be coming back next week. Also, if they know you're a regular, they might see you as a source of potential steady income, which also gives you an advantage. HK belongs to me, not to them. It's my house, and they are just passing through. This is the attitude you have to take. Of course, I realize you can't do this if you just visit once in a while.

I don't like to make my approach too early in the evening. I find that the girls get more relaxed (and the waiters also) later in their shift. I don't care about being a girls first customer, or getting her when she is fresh. In fact, I like it when I will be her only of the evening, or at least her last. I also don't like to approach girls when the club is too crowded. I like it when it's the early hours of the morning and it has died down a bit. That's when the fun really begins.

I always go alone (except when I've gone with girlfriends from Tijuana). Other dudes would just get in the way and slow me down. I'm there to meet women, not dudes. There are many places in Tijuana to party and get drunk, so It's not my thing to do that in HK.

I try to look for newer girls. This is the one sport where amateurs are always better than pros. I like them skinny with a natural body. No plastic. Not too tiny. Not too much of a doll face. I like girls that are "off-pretty" in the face, or that have a face that has character. I have a thing against girls wearing glasses. These girls either want to be "taken seriously" or "create a barrier" (or they are a lesbian). None of these is a good thing. I don't like girls that wear to much: again, creating a barrier. I don't mind a few tats, but if you are covered in tats, that's a big red flag. I don't like girls that look mean. A lot of these girls walk around pouting the whole night, looking like death warmed over. Even if they are hot, these types are just not approachable, IMO. A girl needs to show some warmth, and look like she is at least having a little bit of fun. I like them maybe a little bit shy, not overly confident. I look for traits that indicate she will be more submissive and willing in the room..[/QUOTE]Pretty spot on, looking forward to part 2.

Just a couple of things I'd like to touch on:

1) good mindset, I think all mongers should adopt it. HK belongs to you as a monger, if particular girls are giving you bad service, do not see them. Be selective, don't waste your time or your money. This keeps the quality and service from getting too out of control and turning into a shit show. The west is already garbage when it comes to getting laid with hot women, to turn HK into that is pointless, which is effectively what you will be doing if you start groveling and pandering to HK girls, paying whatever it takes to take them arriba, and having no boundaries for yourself. In short, have some standards, this keeps HK good for everyone.

2) I probably wouldn't need to see a girl at least a few times in the club before I take her to the room, if I see her that night and I am attracted, I would approach and get a drink with her, then start chatting her up and asking specific questions to basically vet her and see if she is submissive and to get an overall feel as to whether I think she will provide good service.

2) I would go alone but I am not opposed to chatting with guys on my down time, mainly other American guys that seem down to earth and cool. The reason for this is to not get bored wandering the club and always on the hunt. Plus there is no fun in being an introverted person in a club the entire time you are there, the club is very much an extroverted environment, so to engage in some chatting if there are opportunities is good practice.

3) as for picking girls I would only go with those that are submissive. Even if a girl looks very attractive, if she gives you push back in conversation during your drink or if you can tell that she is not accepting of your verbal advances of what you would like to do, I would take that as a bad sign and most likely would not take her up to the room.

The main issue is you do not want to take a girl up to the room that turns out to be a bad idea because you did not properly screen her. Therefore I would definitely ask how much the session would be and how long it would be. I wouldn't take a girl up for the standard 20 minute session, 5-10 minutes of sex. That is a waste of time and money. Instead, I would firmly make it clear that I want at least 30-60 minutes or however much time you want. Then settle on the price then and there. I'd also say that I'm only paying at the end, not at the start of the session. This will probably screen out of a lot of girls and cause a good amount of them to walk away. That comes with the territory though if you want to ensure that you get good service. I do not recommend just negotiating a price and then taking her up. Because 10/10 times what will happen is you get to the room, she asks for the money immediately, you pay it, and you get a shitty ass 15 minute service with 10 minutes of actual sex. Waste of money, waste of time. Do not do this, do anything but this LOL.

Besides this, during the drink and chatting in the club I would talk about the stuff I want to do, if she has big tits I may want to titty fuck her so I'll mention that, mention if I could get BBBJ if I want that, tell her what I would like to do to her, like have her bent over or something, idk, whatever I want at the time basically. The point is to see how willing she is when she hears all this stuff. If she seems down and like she wants to do it and please, then that is good. If she doesn't seem interested or right away wants to talk about money or how long the session is, or if she wants to put boundaries or restrictions as you are mentioning what you want, then that's a bad sign and you should walk away.

Getting good service in HK is actually very hard. A lot of girls will not be interested or they will blow themselves out. That is to be expected, not every girl will offer you a good service. Even if she is very hot and is your exact type, I probably still would not take her up to the room if she fails the screening. The reason why is because the risk of getting awful service is just too high. You are supposed to have a good amount of girls failing the screening and being ineligible for you to take up.

[QUOTE=BrotherMouzone;2893394]While I don't do that myself, I don't see anything to be ashamed about or otherwise wrong with setting expectations. Though maybe the "demeanor" thing is a bit much, either the chica will be into it or she won't be. I'm never going to ask her to be fake about it, LOL. At least for me it comes off as a bit demanding / controlling, but to each his own.

I suppose I take a more passive approach. Generally sit or stand near the bar and wait for chicas to approach me. Obviously it's not always the case but the chicas willing to approach you are generally a bit more likely to be "engaged" during arriba. More often than not I also buy chicas who approach me that I think I might be interested in a drink or two to further evaluate, during which you can often get at least a decent read on how good they will be in the room.[/QUOTE]I think he is doing good way.

There is no point to take arriba a girl that you approach and she quotes you $140 and declines getting a drink with you.

I think a reality most need to realize is that a good amount of these HK girl are not viable for arriba. So if you spend half your night having to constantly pass on girls for arriba, I would say that is normal and to be expected.

If you are going arriba consistently with the first or second girl you talk to every night you are at HK, you are doing something very very wrong (unless you happen to know that girl already or had good session with her before).

[QUOTE=Nothing24;2893960]Getting good service in HK is actually very hard. A lot of girls will not be interested or they will blow themselves out. That is to be expected, not every girl will offer you a good service. Even if she is very hot and is your exact type, I probably still would not take her up to the room if she fails the screening. The reason why is because the risk of getting awful service is just too high. You are supposed to have a good amount of girls failing the screening and being ineligible for you to take up.[/QUOTE]Even with all the careful screening the chance of getting a very bad service and so wasting a hundred dollar for nothing is there. Happened to me this past Wed. We had a good chat, she was my type, smiled a lot, held my hand as we walked out to cross the road to Rizo. Joking, kissing. So the screening seemed to work. When we got to the room the first thing she did was set a timer. I noticed it that and asked her, she said she is required by her employer to do so. 20 minutes in bed without even having the chance to enter her the alarm went off and she sprang up off the bed. Refused any more action and threatened to call security unless she leaves immediately.

My thought is the girl was genuinely nice but she was so new and so concerned about the instructions she was given by HK management no matter I told her how erroneously she understood it. In the end I wasted $$.