Kyiv

There must be closed communities of underground pimps in Kiev. Disgusting customers is one of the biggest deterrents of girls working straight pay for play.

[QUOTE=Riina;2276680]Again, that's why it's best to understand relationships with Ukrainians as financial and frame it that way from the beginning. It's delusional to believe a Ukrainian girl would socially ruin herself to date an older foreigner for nothing.[/QUOTE]In the past week three Ukrainian ladies, that do not know each other, asked me for a wire transfer. End of the month is close, funds ran out.

One is gravely sick, the other one is a poor student, and the third one supposedly quit P4 P and started new life working at the bank.

Mentor from this Forum taught me a good lesson by setting an example with his own behavior. He prefers to give money in person, and after the fact, not before, and definitely not remotely.

Guess what, sick one experienced a miraculously quick healing, bank worker doesn't have time to talk to me. Only that student continues to chat occasionally, because her college is few hours away from Kiev, and I represent potential income in the not so distant future. The other two are in Kiev, and already are hunting elsewhere, their perception of reality is on a much shorter scale, - make money now, as there are too many temptations and ways to spend for industrious ladies in the Capital City.

Do I think they are cheaters taking advantage of me? Hell, no! I am thankful that Kiev exists, and I have had those beauties moaning and then smiling happily in my arms. I am also thankful for the newly acquired strength to say a firm "No!" to their attempts at treating me as an easily accessible ATM.

I'm currently living with my girl in Kiev in an apartment for around two weeks. She is a solid 9 on my books, if not 10. I pay her 5000 $, which is not a small amount here in Kiev from what I know. And I also gave her a Dolce & Gabbana handbag which costed me around 2000.

The problem is, however, that I need like 5 times of sex a day, but it seems she is only willing to offer once or twice, and rarely three. She is quite easily offended as well and gets angry even when I just kindly ask her to have sex with me when she is not willing to. She often claims she is tired from sex or feels pain or shit like that.

Once or twice a day is definitely not enough for me, and the attitude issue is also driving me crazy. We are both good in bed and I give her great orgasms. I just don't understand why she doesn't want to have multiple times of sex each day and is so easy to get triggered. Am I missing anything here? Has anyone had any experience dealing with similar situations?

[QUOTE=Power550;2276794]Sorry if this is a dumb question but is kievescort dot club the real GIA site?

Also has anyone tried kievx?[/QUOTE]Here is an example of review supposedly left by one of the KEC customers:

"Astonishing Marta was my choice in this agency one fine day and it brought me many fabulous moments. When I saw her for the first time the best girl's grace was her top and moves showed off the sensuous curves of her little breasts and panties. She had the cutest, little, puffy nipples just budding out under her bra. She was the ocean of charm and I felt her wild nature, hidden deeply waiting for the right moment to unleash. When we enjoyed each other's bodies seem the time and the whole world stopped. She is definitely a true gem."

Maybe I am wrong, but to me this looks like a copy'and 'paste from Playboy or Hustler in the attempt to attract more buyers, not something that one of the real mongers would write up. In general, after GIA has been transformed into KEC, quality of these fake reviews went significantly down. Grammar errors, spelling, writing style. I do not expect impeccable posts, but there is a noticeable decline in both English and Russian.

Lack of recent discussions about KEC on this Forum seems to indicate that there are better ways to spend time and money in Kiev. Report by Devil1687 after his first visit to Kiev, and PMs from other brave undertakers provide a good stream of enjoyable reading.

[QUOTE=AntonySun1996;2277926]I'm currently living with my girl in Kiev in an apartment for around two weeks. She is a solid 9 on my books, if not 10. I pay her 5000 $, which is not a small amount here in Kiev from what I know. And I also gave her a Dolce & Gabbana handbag which costed me around 2000.

The problem is, however, that I need like 5 times of sex a day, but it seems she is only willing to offer once or twice, and rarely three. She is quite easily offended as well and gets angry even when I just kindly ask her to have sex with me when she is not willing to. She often claims she is tired from sex or feels pain or shit like that.

Once or twice a day is definitely not enough for me, and the attitude issue is also driving me crazy. We are both good in bed and I give her great orgasms. I just don't understand why she doesn't want to have multiple times of sex each day and is so easy to get triggered. Am I missing anything here? Has anyone had any experience dealing with similar situations?[/QUOTE]I have been in the same boat, and fixed it, but you may not like my suggestion.

Solution is simple. Explain to her that as beautiful as she is, her ass is about to get kicked out. You did mention in the past that you do not prepay, yet she already in the possession of that Dolce &G bag, which makes her think it would be difficult for you to cut her loose.

I assume 5000 USD payment is still pending. I would just kick her out. Enough is enough. Go from arguing and drama toward happiness.

Now, the challenge is to have quality sex 5 times a day. 5 K per 2 weeks means 2500 a week, means 350 per day. Very much doable.

KEC would be too expensive. You have essentially 2 options. Sports fucking with hourly call girls from validated agencies, or establishing your own base of ladies willing to satisfy your thirst.

The latter requires time, frequent visits and preferably long term presence in Kiev.

I combine the benefits of both: sports fucking carousel and database of established contacts.

In the past staying with one girl for days and weeks seemed more reliable to me, but after few tries I lost the interest:

- I cheat on those LTR girls anyway whenever I have free 2-3 hours.

- They start thinking too much of themselves.

- They start to evade their primary responsibility.

- I like the novelty and excitement of meeting the fresh ones.

Does this help you any?

[QUOTE=AntonySun1996;2277926]I'm currently living with my girl in Kiev in an apartment for around two weeks. She is a solid 9 on my books, if not 10. I pay her 5000 $, which is not a small amount here in Kiev from what I know. And I also gave her a Dolce & Gabbana handbag which costed me around 2000.

The problem is, however, that I need like 5 times of sex a day, but it seems she is only willing to offer once or twice, and rarely three. She is quite easily offended as well and gets angry even when I just kindly ask her to have sex with me when she is not willing to. She often claims she is tired from sex or feels pain or shit like that.

Once or twice a day is definitely not enough for me, and the attitude issue is also driving me crazy. We are both good in bed and I give her great orgasms. I just don't understand why she doesn't want to have multiple times of sex each day and is so easy to get triggered. Am I missing anything here? Has anyone had any experience dealing with similar situations?[/QUOTE]I hope you don't hate me what I am about to tell you, I don't know you background but sounds like you are from Western Country.

Anyway, country like Ukraine, where you have to or commit to pay 5 k and 2 k bag to get laid. This is extreme desperation or seems like you have really tough time getting laid.

Here in Las Vegas, or in Chicago I paid 250 $ for 3 hours to a stunner collage girl, and fucked her tail off, still she would come back for some more and even refer her friends as well. Since you are very young, born in 1996 if I am not mistaken? Its normal or should be normal to have high sex drive, and you should be spending 350 $ a day to fund your habit.

This is my rule, fuck, and forget and move to next. Never listen to bullshit cause you are paying and not getting it for free.

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[QUOTE=PhotoSlider;2278000]Here is an example of review supposedly left by one of the KEC customers:

In general, after GIA has been transformed into KEC, quality of these fake reviews went significantly down. Grammar errors, spelling, writing style. I do not expect impeccable posts, but there is a noticeable decline in both English and Russian.

Lack of recent discussions about KEC on this Forum seems to indicate that there are better ways to spend time and money in Kiev. Report by Devil1687 after his first visit to Kiev, and PMs from other brave undertakers provide a good stream of enjoyable reading.[/QUOTE]I would say that since their new ownership; re-branding, or whatever happened, their customer service has gone down as well. The operator / scheduler they have now can be kind of curt at times, I seriously question her comprehension / communication / language skills. Previously, dealing with Kristina was totally satisfying, she understood foreigners (westerns) and her customer service skills were pretty darn good. I liked how whenever I had communication with her, she would always remember me, no matter how long it had been since I previously spoken with her. The old format was much better.

[QUOTE=AntonySun1996;2277926]I'm currently living with my girl in Kiev in an apartment for around two weeks. She is a solid 9 on my books, if not 10. I pay her 5000 $, which is not a small amount here in Kiev from what I know. And I also gave her a Dolce & Gabbana handbag which costed me around 2000.
[/QUOTE]WOW! That's a lot of money. My experience as a fifty year old guy in the states has shown that I pay about $20 an hour for a girls time when they start meeting me outside agencies. I'm guessing in Ukraine it would be about $5 an hour. And if I was 23 in Ukraine, it probably be about 25 cents an hour.

[QUOTE=MohdirFan82;2278166]I hope you don't hate me what I am about to tell you, I don't know you background but sounds like you are from Western Country.

Anyway, country like Ukraine, where you have to or commit to pay 5 k and 2 k bag to get laid. This is extreme desperation or seems like you have really tough time getting laid.

Here in Las Vegas, or in Chicago I paid 250 $ for 3 hours to a stunner collage girl, and fucked her tail off, still she would come back for some more and even refer her friends as well. Since you are very young, born in 1996 if I am not mistaken? Its normal or should be normal to have high sex drive, and you should be spending 350 $ a day to fund your habit.

This is my rule, fuck, and forget and move to next. Never listen to bullshit cause you are paying and not getting it for free.[/QUOTE]Can you tell us how you set that up with the college girl?

[QUOTE=Riina;2278189]WOW! That's a lot of money. My experience as a fifty year old guy in the states has shown that I pay about $20 an hour for a girls time when they start meeting me outside agencies. I'm guessing in Ukraine it would be about $5 an hour. And if I was 23 in Ukraine, it probably be about 25 cents an hour.[/QUOTE]2 years ago it was about $10 an hour for multiple days with a gorgeous 21 years old in the arms of 50+ adventurer.

Why would the same P4P girl provide 95% discount (25 cents versus 5 bucks) just because the guy is 23 is beyond me.

It surely could be a totally different girl for free, or maybe movie ticket and popcorn? I know for a fact that GIA / KEC student employees have absolutely no desire to entertain their male classmates. They are interested in young professionals with adequate life style, but smart one are realistic. Fierce competition pushes them towards Riina et al. Where the chances to benefit one way or the other are in girls favor.

[QUOTE=PhotoSlider;2278103]I have been in the same boat, and fixed it, but you may not like my suggestion.

Solution is simple. Explain to her that as beautiful as she is, her ass is about to get kicked out. You did mention in the past that you do not prepay, yet she already in the possession of that Dolce &G bag, which makes her think it would be difficult for you to cut her loose.

I assume 5000 USD payment is still pending. I would just kick her out. Enough is enough. Go from arguing and drama toward happiness.

Now, the challenge is to have quality sex 5 times a day. 5 K per 2 weeks means 2500 a week, means 350 per day. Very much doable.

KEC would be too expensive. You have essentially 2 options. Sports fucking with hourly call girls from validated agencies, or establishing your own base of ladies willing to satisfy your thirst.

The latter requires time, frequent visits and preferably long term presence in Kiev.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice.

The problem is that she is a gem I took great effort to get and I don't think I can just kick her out without regrets. I know her personalities well, and I know that if I threat her to kick her out if she doesn't want to have multiple sex with me, instead of complying, she would actually walk straight out of the door. And I cannot let that happen.

5000 $ is still pending but she already has the handbag, and she seems to be happy about that. I don't want to be tough on her and force her to have at least three times of sex with me everyday. We have already established some sort of personal connections beyond money and sex. She has introduced me to some of her families and friends as her boyfriend, and we have talked a lot about our past and future. Maybe I am naive, but I still want to use soft methods to solve this problem if possible.

[QUOTE=MohdirFan82;2278166]I hope you don't hate me what I am about to tell you, I don't know you background but sounds like you are from Western Country.

Anyway, country like Ukraine, where you have to or commit to pay 5 k and 2 k bag to get laid. This is extreme desperation or seems like you have really tough time getting laid.

Here in Las Vegas, or in Chicago I paid 250 $ for 3 hours to a stunner collage girl, and fucked her tail off, still she would come back for some more and even refer her friends as well. Since you are very young, born in 1996 if I am not mistaken? Its normal or should be normal to have high sex drive, and you should be spending 350 $ a day to fund your habit.

This is my rule, fuck, and forget and move to next. Never listen to bullshit cause you are paying and not getting it for free.[/QUOTE]I'm from China, 23 yo, and do not have much experience of getting laid. I do not expect to fuck hot girls for free or at cheap prices. All I want is that the girl offers me quality sex while getting paid.

Hello fellow monger,

I just wanted that I appreciate your report!

Feels that mostly the discussions here are whether Kiev is good or bad and GIA.

I haven't been there myself yet but I appreciate it. What would you do different?

[QUOTE=Devil1687;2277070]Hello to all good people.

Writing a report after a long time because this was a new country for me and to provide some information to same minded people.

Firstly, this forum lacked the basic info for first timers to follows to getting laid with as much ease as possible. Now there are plentiful of options listed but mostly from either residents or frequent visitors. This is my perspective from a person travelling first time there on a very limited time period and a not a very easy budget.

I traveled last month on the 12th Dec. For 3 days with a day tour of Chernobyl also planned so I knew my options on ground will be severely restricted. Hence started with badoo from home which had lots and lots of options BUT language was a major issue. Didn't fix up with anyone...[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=PhotoSlider;2278247]Why would the same P4P girl provide 95% discount (25 cents versus 5 bucks) just because the guy is 23 is beyond me.[/QUOTE]Most college age guys can attract freebies.

I am glad others are starting to discuss this topic. I have wrote about this as well. You can very beautiful girls on SA for between $300-400 in the states, with multiple sessions included.

If you can girls in Kiev for $150 for multiple hours it is still a good bargain. Anything more is just not worth it to bang a 6. Many destinations where you can get high end girls for $200-400.

As far as 10 hanging out in Kiev and grinding it out with Sex T. I find it very unlikely. In my opinion a 10 is a Super Model or Actress, not a grinder. Sorry.