Pattaya Reports

[QUOTE=MusicalToM;1855893]

Now after I'm back to my hometown she is in talk with me regularly and in one way or another she is just asking for money. If I consider the previous experiences of fellow mongers who faced a situation like this, I know that I'm not going to get anything out of it and she is just behind my money. But to be honest I'm in love with her and I want to take our relationship to next level if she agree with me.

After all these things I'm not sure what to do and I definitely don't want to send her money even if it's a real need for her, instead I want to meet her, her family and then may be I can think of something. You may say / consider me as a fool but I certainly don't want to lose this girl.

I don't have any clue what should be the correct step should I take and in a confused state of mind. I believe there are experienced people out here who can suggest / guide me with the best possible way of handling this situation.[/QUOTE]Tom, reread your report but try to pretend that you didn't write it, that someone else did. Now what kind of advice would you give them?

I have semi-fallen for a real Thai girl (never a bar girl and still a virgin at 40, though I hope to finally remedy that situation next month), and she never asks for money. When we communicate, we never speak of money. That is what you should be looking for. One who wants to see you because she wants to be with you, not because she wants money from you.

[QUOTE=MusicalToM;1855893]. , but instead asked me to prove myself that I love her in real. Upon asking her, what are the requirements to prove myself she told "You have to take care of me by sending money to me".



. .[/QUOTE]In Philippines the words love and expensive are basically the same. In some Asian context's, love and money are totally related. My advice, " Run Forest Run". You are just going to end up disappointed with yourself for giving in to her money needs.

It never ceases to amaze me how many so called mongers fall in head over heels for a bargirl. Love struck teenager wannabe looking for love in the wrong places. In my world I fall in love with girls for a short time only. Once I get a new pussy I fall in love again. So it goes.

In this case for all probability the family of Lao girl do not know she is sleeping around for money. Lao is more conservative than Thailand. Once this girl makes some money to support her family she is more likely will be married to a Lao guy and live near her home. For now she needs money. Even if the guy starts sending money it is unlikely the girl will stop being the bargirl. The girl has seen and been with many of his types. Even if his offer is genuine marriage prospects now and if her family and the girl accepts, there is no guarantee the guy will follow through in the long run. Once a monger will always will be a monger. Temptation of fucking new pussies will always be there.

My advice to the guy is if you feel generous send her money. Think of it as a donation. When you visit take her gifts and keep her if possible as your company. At least till you get tired of her.

[QUOTE=MusicalToM;1855893]I'm done with my 11 days vacation in Pattaya-BKK. Returned to my home just 2 days back. I had a great time in Pattaya for which I'll write a detailed report since it's going to take some time, I'm already working on composing it.

Before I post the report there is something interesting I want to share with you intelligent people so that I can get great suggestions from all of you.

In short here is what happened. In my first day I met this beautiful girl from Laos in iBar (I already have mentioned about her in few previous posts. A detailed report of her service will come up shortly). This girl is cute & gave me a real good service in my first night with her, a real GFE experience I would say.

In the first night itself I got addicted to her & end up calling her once again. Later she stayed with me for 4 continuous days and a lot of good & bad things happened between us (I'll write them up in my upcoming detailed report). In my entire trip I was with her all the time. We had a great time & she become kind of my GF.

To be honest I fell in love with her (that's what I feel), and asked her to come with me to my hometown for a vacation. Eventually she told me about her family in Laos and all other sort of stuff. I liked her even more. While we were staying together I gifted her a dress and we have planned for a Koh Samui / Phuket trip together.

Now when my vacation got over and I prepared to leave Pattaya she become kind of emotional & I asked her to come with me so that we can know each other better, thus we may decide where our relationship leads. But she denied politely, but instead asked me to prove myself that I love her in real. Upon asking her, what are the requirements to prove myself she told "You have to take care of me by sending money to me".

Hell yes, now I came to know about her intentions of getting money from me & I simple skipped or rather ignored that discussion.

Now after I'm back to my hometown she is in talk with me regularly and in one way or another she is just asking for money. If I consider the previous experiences of fellow mongers who faced a situation like this, I know that I'm not going to get anything out of it and she is just behind my money. But to be honest I'm in love with her and I want to take our relationship to next level if she agree with me.

After all these things I'm not sure what to do and I definitely don't want to send her money even if it's a real need for her, instead I want to meet her, her family and then may be I can think of something. You may say / consider me as a fool but I certainly don't want to lose this girl.

I don't have any clue what should be the correct step should I take and in a confused state of mind. I believe there are experienced people out here who can suggest / guide me with the best possible way of handling this situation.[/QUOTE]Tom, you seem like a nice guy! But you know what they say. Sometimes nice guys finish last!

A couple of thoughts for you to reflect on:

1. Do you feel like you understand Asian culture (broadly defined. Language, history, food, music, religion, etc. Etc.).

2. Do you feel like you understand Laos culture, again broadly defined. Because it is a unique Asian culture.

3. Do you feel like the girl thinks that she really or truly understands you and your culture?

4. Have you ever lived in Laos?

5. Has the girl ever lived in your country?

6. You have money and she does not. I assume you are well educated (a bachelors degree maybe) and she probably not! Do you think she is aware of that?

7. I assume you have a job and maybe a career? Does she? Does she know that?

Well, I can go on and on. If she had lived in your country, knew your culture (maybe was at least raised there for part of her life) and knew how to navigate it. Things could be different.

If you like Laos type girls, why not try to find someone like her in your country, if your country has diversity, like for example, the US. If not, then maybe you make a trip to Laos and I have a feeling you will fall in love with many other Laos girls.

The bottom line, with all due respect, is that you are young, naive and inexperienced. She is young, definitely not naive (she is a hooker) and definitely more experienced than you. I doubt she is going to allow herself to ever love you.

Why? Because she knows fully well the circumstances under which she met you. If she had met you in a regular way, say in an office setting in Laos, for example, and you lived and worked there. Then things would be different.

This particular situation has zero chance of working out for you and a greater than 50 PC chance of working out for her!

Good Luck. ' Cause I think you are going to need it.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1855888]Thailand (both Pattaya and Bangkok) is depressingly shitty compared to 10 years ago. But unfortunately still better than all other places. I'd be happy to be wrong about this.[/QUOTE]Crocodilexp, for several years I spent 2 + 2 weeks per year mongering in Thailand on vacation up until the early 2000's. Then I took a break for many years while planning my move and retirement in Thailand, which I accomplished a few years ago. Been living in Bangkok ever since. So I missed whatever was going on here ten years ago. But I certainly experienced what was going on 15-20 years ago. That being the case, I have to say I am getting laid and blown much better now than in the years leading up to about 2002, with much better looking young women, many with some of the best attitudes, affection and devotion I have ever had in any mongering situation I have ever experienced anywhere I've been.

HOWEVER, I have to attribute that to my now living here permanently vs being a bit rushed to pack it all in ASAP on a 1 or 2 week vacation, something I suspected would be the case way back when I was only visiting here on vacation and deciding I would probably retire here someday. There is just so much more leeway and allowance one can give to crappy service here and there when there is always tomorrow, always another day of turning this corner or that one and encountering one or a cluster of new girl introductions that will more than make up for what might have been several days of meeting and experience annoying, hassle-laden junk.

I am also meeting girls, much better girls, in ways and places I hadn't back in the 1990's and early 2000's. Dating sites, shopping malls, restaurants. And, living here, I have plenty of time to do so. By my third or fourth month living here, I had racked up a lovely stable of a couple of dozen regulars that I could call at the drop of a hat (or, more commonly, reply to THEIR near daily calls) and be assured utterly hassle-free, loving, attentive and thorough sexual (and often emotional) satisfaction with a minimum of expense. And, of course, I could and do still go on the hunt a few times per week to look for stable replacements for the inevitable drop offs, always including in my search the usual go-go bar / beer bar venues because I still find them to be fun places to score new ladies.

This is not boasting because I honestly believe any expat living here could do what I do, have what I have. And, to be sure, there are PLENTY of times I get the same scams, rip offs, wastes of time, money and emotion that some of the most rank newbies get. LOL. No matter how smart or experienced an old hand gets, it seems the scammers learn to up their game, too. Again, I am absolutely acknowledging that the BIG difference between my experience and many others is that I now live here and have plenty of time to "make up for" the crap times, time I didn't have back when I was coming here on vacation.

But I am only mentioning this because I might be the wild exception to the notion that mongering in the go-go bars, beer bars, picking up freelancers and so on produced "better" results in days gone by. Not in my case. Not when I compare what I am enjoying today vs what I enjoyed 15-20 years ago, that is (again, missing out on whatever was happening 10 years ago). I remember my vacation visits to Thailand 15-20 years ago, mostly Pattaya in those days, being fun but as populated with scammers, rip offs, bait-and-switch hustlers and hasslers as anywhere on the planet. Back in the "good ol' days". But I find the atmosphere to be a bit less so today. Which, as I say, might be merely my impression from the vantage point of someone with lots of time on my hands to make up for the scams and rip offs I do encounter now.

To be sure, it SHOULDN'T be that way. One SHOULDN'T need to have so much time on his hands to "make up for" crap experiences. But it could be that the P4P, mongering or "dating" scene in Thailand has shifted more than ever in favor of the permanent resident expat over the transient tourist.

[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;1855888] Over the last 5-10 years, food prices almost doubled, so no wonder pussy increased as well. [/QUOTE]Are you trying to make the case that food and pussy pricing correlate ? Anyway, food prices did certainly not "almost double" either in 5 or 10 years. My guess is that TH pussy pricing simply is a function of pussy supply and demand. It's easy to see that the supply side in Patts is suffering, compared to not too long ago. As some have suggested, changing demos may play a part, large age groups of improperly sex-balanced Chinese and Koreans are coming online, for instance.

MusicalTom,

You would be a fool to take advice from this forum on love and money. If you were to ask about sex and money then you can get some advice and filter it carefully.

Girls work in the bars to support their family. It is about survival to them. They don't have the luxury to have a fantasy love affair. They need to eat. It is as basic as that. They need to eat. If their partner can not provide for them then the partner has no value to them. Yes there are girls that rip people off. But I doubt all.

For whatever this may be worth, you might just budget a certain amount for her and test the waters.

In the end you will have to do what you need to do.

Best regards,

Dg8787.

P.s. Nothing is free. There is no free pussy

I am new member to this forum. I wish to travel Pattaya in the coming month of June. I had booked my hotel and flight tickets. My question is that I am an indian and not very fair in complexion.

Please guide the places to visit and where to avoid in Pattaya, so that I might not be humiliated in a country where I am traveling alone. I seek some pleasurable vacation in Pattaya me and nice mongering experience.

Please guide me.

[QUOTE=Haven123;1855954]Tom, you seem like a nice guy! But you know what they say. Sometimes nice guys finish last!

A couple of thoughts for you to reflect on:

1. Do you feel like you understand Asian culture (broadly defined. Language, history, food, music, religion, etc. Etc.).

2. Do you feel like you understand Laos culture, again broadly defined. Because it is a unique Asian culture.

3. Do you feel like the girl thinks that she really or truly understands you and your culture?

4. Have you ever lived in Laos?

5. Has the girl ever lived in your country?

6. You have money and she does not. I assume you are well educated (a bachelors degree maybe) and she probably not! Do you think she is aware of that?

7. I assume you have a job and maybe a career? Does she? Does she know that?

Well, I can go on and on. If she had lived in your country, knew your culture (maybe was at least raised there for part of her life) and knew how to navigate it. Things could be different..[/QUOTE]Thanks to you all for your informative replies.

As per the points you put, here are some more things I would like to mention for a better understanding of the situation.

1- I'm of Asian origin live in Asia and I understand Buddhist culture up to a very good extend since it has similarity with my culture. I don't know her language but I'm familiar with other things like food, music, religion etc.

2- Coming to Laos, I've never been to this country and I don't have much idea how things work over there. But yes while I was with this girl I tried to get a glance of their culture like festivals, how they marry, how they work, food, family values and few other things. May be a visit to Laos will give me a good idea on this aspect.

3- She already has some idea of my culture since I'm of Asian origin and I'm not sure if she is more interested to more about my culture since I never asked her about this aspect. And coming to understanding me, I believe up to an extend she has understood me like how I work, how I earn, my food, my daily livings and all, I told her most of the things while we were together.

4- I have never lived in Laos and neither she in my country.

5- I'm an engineer and working in an MNC over here. Where as she told me that she has not studied much since they are poor and yes she is not educated when compared to me. I believe she is saying truth since she face a lot of difficulty to read basic English sentences and not so good in communicating in English as well. However she is trying to learn English.

6- I have a good career & she knows this. For her she works in a Beauty Parlor in Pattaya and does part time hooking job since she needs money to support her family. These facts are true since verified some of them myself.

I'm a 28 year old well fit unmarried guy which she is completely aware of. She is 20 years old and a divorced single mom (I've verified these facts). Her son is 3 years old she works in Pattaya to support her family. I'll post another report on this matter in detail tonight. Yes I do understand that this girl is in industry for some time and she definitely aware of how to handle men like me. But again I'm really not sure if she really loves me or behind my money, may be both or may be my money.

And I don't any specific requirement like Lao type of girl, I just loved her they way she understood & loved me. That's what I can say, but yes I don't know if it was love for me or for my money.

[QUOTE=Sammon;1855950]It never ceases to amaze me how many so called mongers fall in head over heels for a bargirl. Love struck teenager wannabe looking for love in the wrong places. In my world I fall in love with girls for a short time only. Once I get a new pussy I fall in love again. So it goes.

In this case for all probability the family of Lao girl do not know she is sleeping around for money. Lao is more conservative than Thailand. Once this girl makes some money to support her family she is more likely will be married to a Lao guy and live near her home. For now she needs money. Even if the guy starts sending money it is unlikely the girl will stop being the bargirl..[/QUOTE]You are completely right. I'm also sure that the family of my girl do not know she is sleeping around for money since she is working in a Beauty Parlor. I even asked her once about her family knowing about her getting fucked for money to which she didn't reply anything, just kept silent and told she didn't want to share.

Like I said before this she got married at a age of 16-17, got divorced after a year of marriage since her husband tortured her and was having drugs with her money. She was previously working in Laos in a Beauty Parlor, but moved to Pattaya to earn money.

As per conversations and experience with her I can say she is not a regular hooker like other bar girls / FLs, she doesn't work in any bar. She just get hooked up sometimes when she is in need of money and I believe she is true in this aspect.

From my experience with I understood she definitely is not interested to get married to a Lao / Thai guy after her previous encounter, but I don't know if she really wants to get married. I'm saying this because after knowing everything about her family I simply told her if you agree with me we'll go to your home and I'll ask your parents to allow you to come with me and I'll take care of your family in financial aspects. But her reply was to wait for some time since she wants to understand and know me well.

I'm not really sure about sending her money. May you nice people can suggest me best.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1855949]In Philippines the words love and expensive are basically the same. In some Asian context's, love and money are totally related. My advice, " Run Forest Run". You are just going to end up disappointed with yourself for giving in to her money needs.[/QUOTE]I know what you are saying and as a matter of fact it's true. But it's just that my heart is not ready to accept that and since she is still in touch with me I kind of believe she loves me. I might be totally wrong.

[QUOTE=FLHawk;1855939]Tom, reread your report but try to pretend that you didn't write it, that someone else did. Now what kind of advice would you give them?

I have semi-fallen for a real Thai girl (never a bar girl and still a virgin at 40, though I hope to finally remedy that situation next month), and she never asks for money. When we communicate, we never speak of money. That is what you should be looking for. One who wants to see you because she wants to be with you, not because she wants money from you.[/QUOTE]I'm a well educated adult, so definitely I know that a real gilr should love you not your money. But after understanding her and her family's situation I agree to her that she needs money since she is the only person who is earning money for her family (her parents are getting old & they don't earn that amount of money to support her son and all other needs).

See I don't have any problem sending her money, even to Laos to her family but I just don't want to become a fool who pays to her and they one day when sending money stops she simply stops talking with me.

I know a lot of people reported this kind of matter previously, that's the reason I don't want to be an ATM for her.

Now since I've told a lot of useful info I believe you guys will be able to advice me on handling this situation.

[QUOTE=MusicalToM;1855893]After all these things I'm not sure what to do and I definitely don't want to send her money even if it's a real need for her, instead I want to meet her, her family and then may be I can think of something. You may say / consider me as a fool but I certainly don't want to lose this girl.[/QUOTE]You have just given your answer: if you don't want to loose her and paying her a monthly stipend is the way to keep her, then by all means pay her.

But make certain that you drop all your western notions of "romantic love". She will keep working bars and going with many men to get the money to support her family. There will be no exclusivity when you are not around.

Quite probably her feelings for you are genuine. . . Only those feelings are maybe not what you think they are. Laos being even more traditional and conservative than Thailand, they equate "love & marriage" with how good you can take care for her and her familiy. There is nothing wrong with that, I even find it a much more sane and healthy concept than our Western ideas in that respect.

But are you ready to accept that? If yes, go ahead and I'm sure you will have a good time when you are together. But if it bothers you that she asks you for money, then you should better stop right now and return soonest to Thailand and party some more. You will see that there are many more ways to have fun besides having one GF only.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1856060]...There is nothing wrong with that, I even find it a much more sane and healthy concept than our Western ideas in that respect...[/QUOTE]Mr W, you are way ahead of most of us in this area. Sane and healthy most likely, but not for me. Another reason why I don't plan to get married with a WG.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1855957]Crocodilexp, for several years I spent 2 + 2 weeks per year mongering in Thailand on vacation up until the early 2000's. Then I took a break for many years while planning my move and retirement in Thailand, which I accomplished a few years ago. Been living in Bangkok ever since. So I missed whatever was going on here ten years ago. But I certainly experienced what was going on 15-20 years ago. That being the case, I have to say I am getting laid and blown much better now than in the years leading up to about 2002, with much better looking young women, many with some of the best attitudes, affection and devotion I have ever had in any mongering situation I have ever experienced anywhere I've been.

HOWEVER, I have to attribute that to my now living here permanently vs being a bit rushed to pack it all in ASAP on a 1 or 2 week vacation, something I suspected would be the case way back when I was only visiting here on vacation and deciding I would probably retire here someday. There is just so much more leeway and allowance one can give to crappy service here and there when there is always tomorrow, always another day of turning this corner or that one and encountering one or a cluster of new girl introductions that will more than make up for what might have been several days of meeting and experience annoying, hassle-laden junk.

I am also meeting girls, much better girls, in ways and places I hadn't back in the 1990's and early 2000's. Dating sites, shopping malls, restaurants. And, living here, I have plenty of time to do so. By my third or fourth month living here, I had racked up a lovely stable of a couple of dozen regulars that I could call at the drop of a hat (or, more commonly, reply to THEIR near daily calls) and be assured utterly hassle-free, loving, attentive and thorough sexual (and often emotional) satisfaction with a minimum of expense. And, of course, I could and do still go on the hunt a few times per week to look for stable replacements for the inevitable drop offs, always including in my search the usual go-go bar / beer bar venues because I still find them to be fun places to score new ladies.

This is not boasting because I honestly believe any expat living here could do what I do, have what I have. And, to be sure, there are PLENTY of times I get the same scams, rip offs, wastes of time, money and emotion that some of the most rank newbies get. LOL. No matter how smart or experienced an old hand gets, it seems the scammers learn to up their game, too. Again, I am absolutely acknowledging that the BIG difference between my experience and many others is that I now live here and have plenty of time to "make up for" the crap times, time I didn't have back when I was coming here on vacation.

But I am only mentioning this because I might be the wild exception to the notion that mongering in the go-go bars, beer bars, picking up freelancers and so on produced "better" results in days gone by. Not in my case. Not when I compare what I am enjoying today vs what I enjoyed 15-20 years ago, that is (again, missing out on whatever was happening 10 years ago). I remember my vacation visits to Thailand 15-20 years ago, mostly Pattaya in those days, being fun but as populated with scammers, rip offs, bait-and-switch hustlers and hasslers as anywhere on the planet. Back in the "good ol' days". But I find the atmosphere to be a bit less so today. Which, as I say, might be merely my impression from the vantage point of someone with lots of time on my hands to make up for the scams and rip offs I do encounter now.

To be sure, it SHOULDN'T be that way. One SHOULDN'T need to have so much time on his hands to "make up for" crap experiences. But it could be that the P4P, mongering or "dating" scene in Thailand has shifted more than ever in favor of the permanent resident expat over the transient tourist.[/QUOTE]An excellent, thoughtful post, and one which I would nominate for an ROD if I had any idea how to do so. I think what you say is true not only of Thailand, but of most places, or at least most places in SE Asia. There's less frantic need to cram everything into one or two weeks, and permanent residents are more easily able to shrug off the inevitable failures or mistakes, because they know they will have the time to recoup.

I understand the frantic determination of short-timers to cram as many women as possible into a very tight, limited schedule; a constraint that's not relevant to those of us who live in the region. I've lived and worked in Bangkok, and now I live in the Philippines. From the standpoint of different perspectives for short-term vacationers and longer term residents, I don't perceive much variance between the two countries.

GE.

MusicalToM,



It is only human you ask a question here but already know the answer hoping to hear something different than what you already know in your heart. The more negatives opinions you get the more you will be drawn to being with her. It really doesn't matter whether she is from Laos or not her need to work the trade is the same which is money. As noted by Wolve. You need to leave that Love thing at home. I do not thing for one minute every girl is out to cheat everyone but I suggest you get this book if you haven't already. I've read this book myself and recommend it to many but reading it does not mean everyone is going to get it between the lines or as I say the bigger picture but it is a start " Thailand Fever " The other thing you need to leave at home is wanting to meet her family or whether you want her to meet yours or to spend more time in your country. If you are from the USA their rules which is slim and non for a Bargirl will help in you forgetting that notion. See as you noted she made it very clear to you what would it take and what it would take " taking care of her and her family " but that flew by you because you are stuck on this thing called Love. She might be a good catch and if you proceed I hope it works out for you. But remember although I have no idea where you are from most surveys in the West concludes 50% of the marriage don't work it is even harder and lower % for this type of relationship. Here my opinion in general in a humorous way is " The more the ATM dispenses the more she will Love you " " Good heart = how much the ATM dispenses " The most you can hope for in the future is she also grows to Love you. If you can't provide a Lifetime of providing for her and uplifting her status in life what good are you? This is precisely the reason she is working. If she wants just love she wouldn't be doing what she is doing and just stay at her village and marry one of her own kind. They work for money and although every working girls have heard stories great success stories usually overblown due to other girls just plain lying to show off the majority just does not work out. It is not easy for even yourself to just pick up and move and live in Thailand, how do you think they feel? Many are scared shit and have no idea how tough it can be on them. Many just do not have the mental fortitude to go through such a challenge. Right now you think you are in Love? She gave you in a few days what you have been missing your whole life and dream of because you never got it at home. Right now it is your little head doing the thinking when you wake up from your dream remember " The grass is never greener on the other side even all the way over here in Thailand " It takes a lot of work to keep grass green no matter where it is placed down to grow. She just said a few words but here is what she actually mean. A monthly income equal or close to what she makes now so she can quit and return to her village in LOS and still be able to take care of her family. Meantime don't be surprise calls for extra's to help fix everything that needs to be fixed or replaced. I can list you another million items but I think you got the idea! Last, I do hope it works out for you but reality you need to spend more time with her to know and knowing her isn't meeting her family. One of the major thing you do not want to do unless you plan to do the things I just mentioned is to meet her parents (read the book). And this is only a generalization if you found her at I-Bar, depending on her age, she is already headed to being harden if not already. Not what you wanted to hear but if you move forward, strapped up the seatbelt because you are in for a wild ride on this roller coaster? Good luck.

[QUOTE=EihTooms;1855561] I see there were three notable spikes in the rate of inflation in Thailand since the late 1970's, the most recent one being in 2008. I wonder if any of the price increases after "many, many, many years" that you mentioned were related to those spikes in the cost of living in Thailand more than anything else.[/QUOTE]I don't think it has got much to do with Thai inflation. Stuff in the shops and hotel room rates have not gone up by 50% or more or jumped significantly every couple of years.

No, the real reason is greed by the providers and demand far out stripping supply. Add to that the more westernization of the girl's in their attitudes and that is why the Pattaya paradise has now turned into a nightmare.

Greed: Bar owners are constantly coming up with more ways for guys to spend more money for less sex. Coyote girls so higher fee, model from Bangkok, super model from Bangkok, show girls, lady shots instead of drinks (so can be drunk in seconds), cocktail drinks, drinks for professional dancers in nightclubs where before there were no dancers, pay up front (so you can't negotiate the price down with the girl), encouraging the girl to say 'I go dance' once she has her drink, staff trained to pressurize for tips, ping pong balls, girls walking round go go bars pressurizing for guys to buy shots. Pattaya is now more about expensive entertainment rather than sex.

Over demand / under supply: The greed problem is in part caused by the over demand. Now every man and his dog know that if they want a sex tourist holiday then Pattaya is the place. Hordes of young guys in their 20's turning up in Pattaya to party rather than going to their normal holiday destinations in Spain, Mexico, Greece, and so on. Lots of guys looking to party and spend lots of money. The girls would rather hold out for one of those guys. The guy who goes there just for low cost mongering no longer fits in.

Plus, less girls available because of greater demand on the girls from Koreans, Chinese, and so on in Pattaya and other places. So less girls serving the Western customer market.

Westernisation: Smartphones, social media sites like Facebook, online dating sites, the internet in general, decline of Thai core values, exploding commercialization of Pattaya.

It seems to me that there are more things for the girls to spend their money on and they need more money. Rather than lower their prices and work more they have worked out that they can increase their prices and work less. More time for them to party and enjoy themselves in Ibar. What's the point of slaving under some old guy all night for 1000 baht when you can drink and party with young guys and there will always be some guy willing to stomp up 1000 to 2000 baht for short time at some point in the evening. If not today, then at least you have enjoyed yourself partying and there is bound to be a guy tomorrow.

These girls have worked out that the way to go is to increase their prices and stick to the increases. With the hordes of guys visiting Pattaya at least one will bite every night. Those guys that don't play ball will soon come round to the realization of the new dynamics that if they don't pay the new going rates then they won't get laid. At least not get any action with attractive girls and so waste their holiday.

If a girl drops her prices and goes with a customer for a lower rate than what she wants then she won't be around when that customer turns up a short time later who will meet her rates. So she will miss out. Better to wait. Better to go with one for 1000 baht than two for 500 baht. Because whilst you are out of the market earning 500 baht each with two guys you will have missed two guys who would be willing to pay 1000 baht each. So potentially have lost 1000 baht overall in revenue that night.

In any case at the end of the day if a girl is not making enough hits at the going rate then much better off to go back home rather than lose money paying Pattaya's high living costs. So you end up with just the girls who are confident of making the going rate without having to give discounts.

[QUOTE=PuteNut;1855970]Anyway, food prices did certainly not "almost double" either in 5 or 10 years.[/QUOTE]I've been in Thailand during that interval of time and food price, as well many other thing almost doubled.

There were many 99 baht buffet restaurants, now typical price Bt 180.

Bus to Pattaya, used to be Bt 123, now 240.

I'm sure that if you look at your expenses in the back you'll find that's true.