Kyiv

[QUOTE=Riina;2278445]Most college age guys can attract freebies.[/QUOTE]No doubt about that. They can even attract high quality girls, their peers at the college or anywhere else.

But college age guys are unlikely to attract for free KEC / GIA girls, as the latter have different mind set. I happened to hear their opinion on the subject few times in the past when I used to order from GIA. The answer was sincere "no, thanks", and certainly not to flatter me. Maybe you witnessed otherwise.

[QUOTE=AntonySun1996;2278355]Thanks for the advice.

The problem is that she is a gem I took great effort to get and I don't think I can just kick her out without regrets. I know her personalities well, and I know that if I threat her to kick her out if she doesn't want to have multiple sex with me, instead of complying, she would actually walk straight out of the door. And I cannot let that happen.

5000 $ is still pending but she already has the handbag, and she seems to be happy about that. I don't want to be tough on her and force her to have at least three times of sex with me everyday. We have already established some sort of personal connections beyond money and sex. She has introduced me to some of her families and friends as her boyfriend, and we have talked a lot about our past and future. Maybe I am naive, but I still want to use soft methods to solve this problem if possible.[/QUOTE]I totally understand. Been there myself.

So it is 2000+5000 for 2 weeks. 500 USD a day. 20 USD an hour for whatever you are doing. Soundly sleeping or walking around hand in hand, plus ongoing expenses on your GF. Food, maybe some entertainment, and other.

I did similar for 10 USD / hour, in fact we never discussed money, it was gifts that I bought myself, and upon farewell good size bonus Kozerog style. I had to leave Kiev for business project elsewhere, and surely she wanted me to return ASAP. I decided against. There are better ways to spend money, even in Kiev. We had wonderful sex 2-3 times a day, enough for me, but this artificially self-induced monogamy started to get long in the teeth.

With your gem you have to make a simple decision. Can you afford 500+ per single fuck? Yes or No?

Some people can, and I personally do not have a problem with them doing it. 52 weeks a year at $7 K /2 weeks is $180 K. Some husbands spend more on their significant others, and do not even get 1 shot a day.

Her declining is not unusual, not everybody is that horny. I did meet one girl Milena-Tasha, she needed 10 times in one day, and was rather attractive, but she is an exception.

So, it is unlikely your GF will agree to even do it 3 times a day. Maybe she is manipulating you, maybe not, it doesn't really matter. If you need more sex then pay hourly girls, and fuck all you want on a side, away from your beauty. Trying to force Ukrainian girl will not lead anywhere. Got to negotiate it beforehand. Too late now.

And when I suggested to kick her out I meant literally to open the door and watch her leave. Threats are useless. She would be hurt, you seem to value her. If you do not have strength to evict her, then it is your choice, and I am not to be a judge in any way. You make decision, and then honestly face the consequences without complaining.

I did precisely that with another long stay, who felt too entitled. It was such a relief! She tried to strong arm, I said "Do svidan'ya. Good bye". She stormed out at 20:30 and at 21:45 I had one of the best call girls as a consolation for mere 2100 UAH! First time I saw her, she was fresh and excitingly shy! Asked me politely for more of those chocolate candy and champagne. The next evening I sent Viber message to a MILF, and didn't have time to blink before she came over for multiple shots, including greek and to the head BBBJCIMTCS. She stayed overnight, but I had another girl awaiting me at 6:30 am. So at 6 am MILF woke up on her own, we had a quickie, got a cab for her, and went to my 6:30 am. That's my style, but it is not for everybody, and I certainly have my share of misfortunes.

One of my GFs doesn't want to have sex with me frequently while she sleeps over. She also doesn't have a problem when I tell her to eat at Avalon, while I have next call girl over at the apartment. But that is rare arrangement. Most of the Ukrainian girls would be extremely jealous and territorial.

Another unusual option for you would be to discuss with your gem openly, saying that you are 23 and need more sex, and explain that you will address your physiological and mental needs with other ladies for money. Somehow I doubt she would agree. When I do not get enough, I shortly explain it once. Then the lady in question either stays in the database, if she is interesting and affordable, or she gets retired from the pool.

You are attached mentally, and that's tough at the moment. But whenever hurt, just remember that she is far from being the only one. There are many others that will heal your feelings quickly.

[QUOTE=Riina;2278445]Most college age guys can attract freebies.[/QUOTE]Agree, total myth. Ukraine or any girl for that matter would prefer to have a guy from there native country, within a normal age range. They only date older foreign guys for money, not for any other reason.

Many years ago Ukraine guys were much different. The modern guy now takes care of themselves, does not drink that much, educated, and dresses nice. Ukraine guys can be some of the nice guys in the world, but there is becoming a major stigma about Foreign Guys taking there girls, so views maybe changing. At the end I was feeling sorry for Ukraine Guys, because the Foreign Guys, had Change the game so dramatically that there is just false expectation from Ukraine Girls now, even with the Native Guys, girls expectations and demands are just too high, they just do not have the purchase power of the foreigners.

[QUOTE=Timmy21;2278170]I would say that since their new ownership; re-branding, or whatever happened, their customer service has gone down as well. The operator / scheduler they have now can be kind of curt at times, I seriously question her comprehension / communication / language skills. Previously, dealing with Kristina was totally satisfying, she understood foreigners (westerns) and her customer service skills were pretty darn good. I liked how whenever I had communication with her, she would always remember me, no matter how long it had been since I previously spoken with her. The old format was much better.[/QUOTE]Thanks for posting).

Good to know that someone still orders.

Kristina indeed listened and could provide valuable advice.

Would you care to comment on the service quality, especially by the new girls? Did you had to resolve any challenges with the management?

[QUOTE=AntonySun1996;2278359]I'm from China, 23 yo, and do not have much experience of getting laid. I do not expect to fuck hot girls for free or at cheap prices. All I want is that the girl offers me quality sex while getting paid.[/QUOTE]兄24351;65292;35265;21040;32769;20065;12290;12290;12290;.

[QUOTE=AntonySun1996;2278359]I'm from China, 23 yo, and do not have much experience of getting laid. I do not expect to fuck hot girls for free or at cheap prices. All I want is that the girl offers me quality sex while getting paid.[/QUOTE]Hi, brother, Chinese characters can not be typed here, I am from China, too.

I think PhotoSlider is right, the girl is manipulating you, do not be too kind to her. I do not think she can find another guy generous and young as you. You deserve better.

By the way, why did you go to Ukraine? Work? Study? Or read the story of Mei Ai Cai and go especially to find ukraine girls?

Wish you enjoy your life in ukraine, I am in Beijing, hope to join you there.

And happy spring festival.

[QUOTE=PhotoSlider;2278612]I totally understand. Been there myself.

So it is 2000+5000 for 2 weeks. 500 USD a day. 20 USD an hour for whatever you are doing. Soundly sleeping or walking around hand in hand, plus ongoing expenses on your GF. Food, maybe some entertainment, and other.

I did similar for 10 USD / hour, in fact we never discussed money, it was gifts that I bought myself, and upon farewell good size bonus Kozerog style. I had to leave Kiev for business project elsewhere, and surely she wanted me to return ASAP. I decided against. There are better ways to spend money, even in Kiev. We had wonderful sex 2-3 times a day, enough for me, but this artificially self-induced monogamy started to get long in the teeth.

With your gem you have to make a simple decision. Can you afford 500+ per single fuck? Yes or No?

Some people can, and I personally do not have a problem with them doing it. 52 weeks a year at $7 K /2 weeks is $180 K. Some husbands spend more on their significant others, and do not even get 1 shot a day.

Her declining is not unusual, not everybody is that horny. I did meet one girl Milena-Tasha, she needed 10 times in one day, and was rather attractive, but she is an exception..[/QUOTE]Update.

We talked about this issue and she explained that she had bad mood and was unwilling to have sex because her periods are coming, and her body hurts. This is understandable. Just going to see how will she behave after her periods.

To answer your question. I can afford 500 per fuck, but the problem is that when we agreed on the meeting, what I expected was to fuck as many times as I want every day.

[QUOTE=Paris07;2278817]Hi, brother, Chinese characters can not be typed here, I am from China, too.

I think PhotoSlider is right, the girl is manipulating you, do not be too kind to her. I do not think she can find another guy generous and young as you. You deserve better.

By the way, why did you go to Ukraine? Work? Study? Or read the story of Mei Ai Cai and go especially to find ukraine girls?

Wish you enjoy your life in ukraine, I am in Beijing, hope to join you there.

And happy spring festival.[/QUOTE]Hello bro,

Nice to see a Chinese compatriot here, as I rarely see them in Kiev mongering scene.

I neither work nor study here. I study in England which is a few hours flight away from Kiev. I frequently visit Kiev primarily for mongering reasons but am also open to marriage if I meet the right girl.

If you come to Ukraine I would be happy to meet you. Have you come here before?

Chun Jie Kuai LE.

When Ukrainians tell you they're in a bad mood mood, that means they need money. If you don't brighten their day, they'll mention bills.

[QUOTE=AntonySun1996;2278856]To answer your question. I can afford 500 per fuck, but the problem is that when we agreed on the meeting, what I expected was to fuck as many times as I want every day.[/QUOTE]You expected it, but didn't agree upon beforehand. I made those kind of mistakes myself, and faced the music. Ukrainian girls are good at selling the promise, and extending the waiting period, delay after delay, one explanation after another.

It is definitely great that you have NP with affording it. Seems like you do get some goodness out of this relationship.

Back in Moscow, loving it great place. Yesterday meet a girl for dinner from Tinder, normal date. Great Girl! We meet at one my favorite Rest. We start talking and yes, she is from Odessa and Relocated from Kiev to Moscow. I talked to her about her classmate that had left Ukraine for better opportunities, she said over 40% are gone and more are trying to leave.

I usually have an escort come over at lunch time, then I go do traditional dating and clubs in the evening. One Escorts I am seeing she is also from Ukraine. As everyone know I do not use numbers 9-10's often. She is solid 9, you can look her on the site I posted on the Moscow. 5'8" 105, perfect, but she is hard to track down, she travels the world. $200-250 GFE no clock watching, but she is like a ghost.

In my 3 trips to Moscow in the last 2 months, I have probably in talks with about 40 people 10-20%, of them are originally from Ukraine, sorry facts do not lie.

Well said PhotoSlider. Definitely should have made agreements beforehand. Now I'm just going to see how I can fix this up at this point.

[QUOTE=AntonySun1996;2278355]...We have already established some sort of personal connections beyond money and sex. She has introduced me to some of her families and friends as her boyfriend, and we have talked a lot about our past and future...[/QUOTE]I am sincerely happy to read this, because this shows that part of the new Ukrainian generation is not xenophobic at all. Personality means more to them, than race and skin color.

Kiev is a huge melting pot, and that adds significantly to its beauty. Similar diversity I saw in New York and Rio-de-Janeiro. Admittedly Kiev doesn't have as many blacks, and there are still some stupid idiots that do not like foreigners, but you get my idea.

[QUOTE=BillV90;2278440]Hello fellow monger,

I just wanted that I appreciate your report!

Feels that mostly the discussions here are whether Kiev is good or bad and GIA.

I haven't been there myself yet but I appreciate it. What would you do different?[/QUOTE]Thank you for your kind words. Well next time will stay for a few more days and warmer month.

Will be in Kiev until Feb 5.