Sosua Reports

[quote=Wrx2005; 1518252]About Puerto Plata. Almost every visit to the La Sirena store on the malecon there are usually dozens of beautiful chicas / women shopping or working in that store. Aside from shopping, many chicas also come there to have lunch in the cafeteria upstairs. Most times they don't seem to make much eye contact like many of us are accustomed to when in Sosua, and seem quite focused on what they are there for. In Sosua, a dude who speaks some spanish can get by very easily. The chicas will work with a guy when he attempts to communicate, even when using a translator.

I would want to pursue some of the women I see in La Sirena, but sense they arent going to be as patient with a non fluent spanish speaking foreigner as a typical working girl. If I at least got more eye contact from them, I'd easily take it from there.

I wonder if speaking fluent spanish is enough, especially when they know you arent dominican or figure you don't live there? [/quote]Speaking fluent Spanish is way more than enough. Assuming that you are not to ugly or obese and can speak some Spanish, you have nothing to lose by saying hello to women, and if they respond ask them what there doing etc. I think there are a lot of women in Puerto Plata open to meeting foreigners with money to spend on them and take them out, etc. Another source is through the Cupid Dating site but you need to have the time and patience to correspond. I hooked up with four girls thru this Site on my last trip and have three more lined up for my next trip in February. All of these girls live in the Puerto Plata area.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1519078]Speaking fluent Spanish is way more than enough.[/QUOTE]My boy is a blue eyed, blonde hair Cuban that lives in Miami. When I took him to the DR and girls heard him speak and his accent, they would stop dead in their tracks because they weren't used to seeing a guy that looked like him speak Spanish, let alone better than they do. He now has a girlfriend in Santiago, but it is always a trip watching how people in the DR react to him. His girl in Santiago is easily a 9 in looks.

I've dated girls in POP for years and would take them to places like the discos in Playa Dorada or invite them and their friends to come over and swim in the pool at Casa Linda, but I'm not in the DR enough to establish anything really substantive with them. Communication is definitely a key like it would be in any situation, especially if you don't want to come off as just a another horny Gringo who's just looking for a short-term piece of ass.

On the other hand, there are some that will roll with a Gringo that struggles with Spanish because some girls don't have much going on in their lives and a Gringo presents the promise of something different, if you want to play that role (could lead to a Western Union novio status if that is your thing). Being there often definitely helps that cause.

I got a friend that has been living in Sosua for over a year now. He is an Afro-American that spoke no Spanish, but his Spanish has improved some by living in Sosua. He has a steady girlfriend now, and I think she is even pregnant with his child. The last time I was in POP, I was hanging out with them and her ex and baby of her current child came into the pool hall where we were hanging out. The girl felt uncomfortable and wanted to leave. My friend didn't want to leave though because he was on some macho thing. We eventually left and the girl's friend told me that my friend's girl was taking some heat from her ex and baby's daddy, who was calling her a puta for dating a Gringo and she didn't want her ex and my friend to get into any kind of scuffle, especially since we were off the beaten path in their hood and every one in the pool hall knew the ex. Although this is a unique story, I share it only to point out that many of the girls have a history if they look good so you have to be prepared to deal with whatever. If you are on a short vacation, you may not want to deal with any drama. If you are there long-term, you might get used to the drama and roll with it like my friend in Sosua. POP and especially Sosua isn't that big. I have been fortunate to not have ever had that kind of drama with a girl's ex or anything like that, but I weed that stuff out very quickly and keep it movin and I am not there long enough for it to be a real issue. My friend's girl is a 7 or maybe an 8 in looks to some, with 1 kid, which isn't bad for a Gringo with limited Dominican Spanish living in Sosua.

[quote=Orgasmico; 1519328]On the other hand, there are some that will roll with a Gringo that struggles with Spanish because some girls don't have much going on in their lives and a Gringo presents the promise of something different.[/quote]Exactly, there are plenty of girls in the DR who will go with a gringo that is semi-fluent in Spanish for this very reason. Additionally, a lot of these girls are non-pros so you can end up with some great experiences.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico; 1519328]I've dated girls in POP for years and would take them to places like the discos in Playa Dorada or invite them and their friends to come over and swim in the pool at Casa Linda, but I'm not in the DR enough to establish anything really substantive with them. Communication is definitely a key like it would be in any situation, especially if you don't want to come off as just a another horny Gringo who's just looking for a short-term piece of ass.

On the other hand, there are some that will roll with a Gringo that struggles with Spanish because some girls don't have much going on in their lives and a Gringo presents the promise of something different, if you want to play that role (could lead to a Western Union novio status if that is your thing). Being there often definitely helps that cause.

I got a friend that has been living in Sosua for over a year now. He is an Afro-American that spoke no Spanish, but his Spanish has improved some by living in Sosua. He has a steady girlfriend now, and I think she is even pregnant with his child. Although this is a unique story, I share it only to point out that many of the girls have a history if they look good so you have to be prepared to deal with whatever. If you are on a short vacation, you may not want to deal with any drama. If you are there long-term, you might get used to the drama and roll with it like my friend in Sosua.[/QUOTE]In a nutshell, I would want to pursue women interested in going out on dates, but not necessarily looking for a serious relationship. Like you, I'm not there long enough to expect something substantive. Moreover, I value having variety at times, rather than being on lock down or exclusive. So pursuing an exclusive relationship is not an interest of mine.

Another consideration, is I want a working woman. Someone that is handling her business. But would appreciate some help, and not try to take advantage. This help is only when I am with her. But NO WU ever. Now when it comes to a womans history and her exes. I can see how that could be a significant factor as well. As a matter of fact, I expect her to have contact with men in her country, as well as dating other foreign men. If she can manage them all without involving me in any drama, I don't think that would be a problem. What I don't want is her having to lie to me. If everything is open and on the table, I could care less what or who she does when I'm not there. So my dilemma, isn't so much making contact with women in PP. The real issue is having all the pieces of my cake to enjoy. My gut tells me, I may get some things but not all. For instance. I might find a beautiful woman, but she may be interested only in a serious relationship, or she expects a man to assume a WU role, or she doesn't work at all. Maybe she's fine and all, but she comes with a shit load of baggage, or the woman can't accept an open and honest arrangement (she feels she has to lie to me.) , maybe she is uneducated and besides sex we have nothing in common. So my issue is, I may choose to search for women I want to hook up with, attempt to initiate something with them, only to find all of the things I want is almost impossible to achieve. After going through all of that, I'm certain I will resort back to feeling p4p is so much easier and hassle free.

What worked for me on my last trip was a combination of non-pros I met on the Dominican Cupid Dating Site and girls from the Strip. It was nice to have the variety as some nights it was something quick and dirty pulled from the Strip, or a sleepover with a dating site girl.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1519078]Speaking fluent Spanish is way more than enough. Assuming that you are not to ugly or obese and can speak some Spanish, you have nothing to lose by saying hello to women, and if they respond ask them what there doing etc. I think there are a lot of women in Puerto Plata open to meeting foreigners with money to spend on them and take them out, etc. Another source is through the Cupid Dating site but you need to have the time and patience to correspond. I hooked up with four girls thru this Site on my last trip and have three more lined up for my next trip in February. All of these girls live in the Puerto Plata area.[/QUOTE]Whether I meet them on Cupid or in person, I can see how one would need to have time and patience to correspond. Obviously, if we are in consistent contact, they will want to know when a guy is coming back again. For how long, and what his plans are. I would think, to not make time to see them, is like a slap in the face. Oft times, I may come back to the DR but have no interest in hooking up with those women on a particular trip. Or, maybe I would see them a day or two while there, but not to be exclusive with them my entire vacation. I can see how enough women would not want to deal with a guy who operates like that. And like I said previously, I don't like to have to resort to lying to these women about my plans when I come down there.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1519566]What worked for me on my last trip was a combination of non-pros I met on the Dominican Cupid Dating Site and girls from the Strip. It was nice to have the variety as some nights it was something quick and dirty pulled from the Strip, or a sleepover with a dating site girl.[/QUOTE]What are all of your dating site girls expectations before and after you've hooked up? Are they looking for a relationship or just to have a good time? Aside from the good times, are they also hoping you give them money for the time they spend with you? Will you now find yourself having to maintain correspondence with most of them even when you are back home?

My experience with Cupid is, most women want to maintain contact and correspond up until it's time for a dude to return. Most of that contact / correspondence is nothing more than saying hello every damn day, how are you, and eventually them telling you about the problems with them or family. There is no real exchange of communication. None I knew ever took time to really get to know a dude. And I don't think it would change much even if a dude was fluent with spanish. And then of course if they know when you are coming back they would expect you to want to see them again. But maybe you don't want to see them your next trip. Of course you arent obligated to, but it's one of those things a guy will have to deal with once he has a nice list of internet babes all expecting a dude to spend time with them.

Subconsciously, I think thats probably one reason I did not follow through with some of the DC contacts I had last December. I was quite content with the ones I met in Sosua last trip. And none were hardcore.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1519566]What worked for me on my last trip was a combination of non-pros I met on the Dominican Cupid Dating Site and girls from the Strip. It was nice to have the variety as some nights it was something quick and dirty pulled from the Strip, or a sleepover with a dating site girl.[/QUOTE]That sounds like a good balance. I did something similar with Amigos. Com back in the day. I haven't done the online thing in years because I meet so many girls just traveling around the island, but its a good way to set up some things in advance, especially if you don't have a lot of established contacts on the ground.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1519555]In a nutshell, I would want to pursue women interested in going out on dates, but not necessarily looking for a serious relationship. Another consideration, is I want a working woman. Someone that is handling her business.[/QUOTE]This sounds very doable if you put the time in. Between the online stuff and getting off of Pedro Clisante, you should be able to find this. There are a lot of chicas in the DR waiting for a caballero to take them out and show them a good time.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005; 1519710]What are all of your dating site girls expectations before and after you've hooked up? Are they looking for a relationship or just to have a good time? Aside from the good times, are they also hoping you give them money for the time they spend with you? Will you now find yourself having to maintain correspondence with most of them even when you are back home?

My experience with Cupid is, most women want to maintain contact and correspond up until it's time for a dude to return. Most of that contact / correspondence is nothing more than saying hello every damn day, how are you, and eventually them telling you about the problems with them or family. There is no real exchange of communication. None I knew ever took time to really get to know a dude. And I don't think it would change much even if a dude was fluent with spanish. And then of course if they know when you are coming back they would expect you to want to see them again. But maybe you don't want to see them your next trip. Of course you arent obligated to, but it's one of those things a guy will have to deal with once he has a nice list of internet babes all expecting a dude to spend time with them.

Subconsciously, I think thats probably one reason I did not follow through with some of the DC contacts I had last December. I was quite content with the ones I met in Sosua last trip. And none were hardcore.[/QUOTE]I never go online with the intention of just looking for someone to pump and dump. If I want pussy then I know where to find it. I just mainly look for friends. I like meeting chicks online with the intentions of going new places and doing new things. 9 times out of 10 the girl is going to want to fuck anyway. I don't know how money keeps getting drug into conversations about normal DR women (or normal any nationality women for that matter). I don't understand why guys feel they must pay women who aren't hookers. I read a lot of reports where even if a guy offers money after and the woman turns it down, then he still sneaks it into her purse or something. You wouldn't do it with the women back home, so I don't understand why they would do it in a foreign country. Maybe it helps them not feel guilty that they had sex with the woman. Women are people too and like to fuck just like men. All of them are not hookers and in it for the money no matter how poor they are.

Of all the chicks I have met online since my first time in DR (2005 or so) only one has hinted about money or buying her things. That was days after we fucked. I cut her off. When something adverse does happen and they tell me about it they don't expect me to send money or solve the problem. They just want to let me know what is going on in their life. Just like last year when my girl's sister was in an accident and almost died. She sent pictures of her laid out and bloody in the car and pictures of her in the hospital bed with a broken arm. But she didn't say anything like send money because we need to pay the hospital bill the way I see it happening with a lot of guys here.

But what is wrong with keeping contact with friends? It's not like it costs anything these days. Damn near everyone has Whats App so you don't have to pay for overseas calls anymore. Just send a couple of messages back and forth. I don't find it a burden to communicate with people after I have met them. If you just want to fuck someone and put them on the back burner until you want to fuck them again, then I guess it would be best to deal with the P4P in Sosua and leave normal chicks out of the mix. I have gone to DR plenty of times and not had the chance to get together with chicks that I know. That is life. Nobody takes it personal. There will be a next time.

I liked something that Orgasmico posted in the Cali, Colombia thread the other day because it mirrors my trips wherever I go. I usually hang out with several normal women and a lot of time I don't even get a chance for hookers.

[QUOTE=Orgasmico; 1515913]So my trip was a lot of fun. I was in Cali for 8 days. As far as mongering, I hit 2 cases. Dr. Amor had about 30 girls in all shapes, sizes, and colors. Definitely a flavor there for all. I hit another smaller casa, of which I don't remember the name but I had a great time. BBBJ and the whole nine. In fact, I almost thought she was going to try to slip it in raw dog when she was on top but thankfully she put the jimmy on without me asking her to, LOL

Besides that, I pretty much just hung out with regular babes I met in various locations and spent a Colombian New Years Eve with a girl I met and her family.[/QUOTE]Out of 8 days he only got a chance for P4P two times. And that was probably because he just couldn't bear leaving the place without finding out about the P4P. He already had his hands full with normal Colombian women.

[QUOTE=Wrx2005;1519586]Whether I meet them on Cupid or in person, I can see how one would need to have time and patience to correspond. Obviously, if we are in consistent contact, they will want to know when a guy is coming back again. For how long, and what his plans are. I would think, to not make time to see them, is like a slap in the face. Oft times, I may come back to the DR but have no interest in hooking up with those women on a particular trip. Or, maybe I would see them a day or two while there, but not to be exclusive with them my entire vacation. I can see how enough women would not want to deal with a guy who operates like that. And like I said previously, I don't like to have to resort to lying to these women about my plans when I come down there.[/QUOTE]You do need time and patience to correspond with these girls but it is a good way to work on your Spanish. I have not lied to a single women on the dating site. After contacting them I make it very clear that I am in Sosua on vacation. After corresponding a few times I further tell them I am not looking for a wife or a girlfriend. I make this very clear and tell them I can help them out and even pose a hypothetical scenario where if we have chemistry together, I inquire as to how much money they want for their time. I only ask this question when they have confirmed that they understand what's up and lot of them have said " no problemo". I found a really nice one when I was down in December and she has not asked me to send her any money and we exchange texts every few days. With her I made it very clear what was up when we were together and always treated her like a girl friend versus a Puta. I plan on spending more time with her on my next trip in February. I currently have two new ones lined up for my return and they fully understand what the program is. There are women in the DR that will be with a guy that is upfront with them from the beginning, treats them well, and have chemistry with you. If I click with some of the new ones I plan on meeting, I'm going to have to get creative as to how to manage my leche between them all. A good problem to have!

[QUOTE=Mr Enternational;1519771]I never go online with the intention of just looking for someone to pump and dump. If I want pussy then I know where to find it. I just mainly look for friends. I like meeting chicks online with the intentions of going new places and doing new things. 9 times out of 10 the girl is going to want to fuck anyway. I don't know how money keeps getting drug into conversations about normal DR women (or normal any nationality women for that matter). I don't understand why guys feel they must pay women who aren't hookers. I read a lot of reports where even if a guy offers money after and the woman turns it down, then he still sneaks it into her purse or something. You wouldn't do it with the women back home, so I don't understand why they would do it in a foreign country. Maybe it helps them not feel guilty that they had sex with the woman. Women are people too and like to fuck just like men. All of them are not hookers and in it for the money no matter how poor they are.[/QUOTE]E dealing with all types of women in the DR is definitely a YMMD issue. Certain factors pertaining to mongers abilities, needs, time contraints, and the type of women each connects with, are all factors that may yield different results for each monger.

"Normal" DR women can consist of all types of mentalities. The good, the bad and the ugly. Including women that expect a man to offer them money even if they don't ask. We all know the DR is primarily a male dominated society. So when it comes to women working, women in the DR arent exactly like the women in the states. We don't see DR women doing certain jobs like we see in abundance in the states. We don't see women owning and driving cars to the same degree like we do in the states. Men dominate certain jobs, that we seldom see DR women in those capacities. I don't believe DR women have welfare, or PA like in the states.

With that being said, it's not uncommon for DR women to have a greater propensity (than women in the states) to expect for men to take care of them. Not simply because they had sex, but because that typically is a mans role if he gets involved with a woman. Of course, DR culture has evolved a great deal where enough women have developed the "independent" mindset. But IMO the majority of women are normal women with modest incomes or no income at all. They will normally expect a man to provide support if he gets involved with her.

A good portion of the women guys encounter on the internet, the ones ready to have sex, they don't work, or have low paying jobs, or claim to be students. IMO when many guys offer money, it's not necessarily only to pay for sex. (although that is part of it ). The rest of it is simply looking at the womans circumstances, and realizing the woman really could use the money. This doesn't have to be about women. I know I have been aquainted with a few dominican men that were un or underemployed, and offered them something for their families. Obviously no fucking was involved, but I did it because it was a conscious decision based on me observing their circumstances. They were friends / aquaintances of mine.

However, many of these men as well as the women in the DR will initially refuse an offer because of pride, not because they don't want or need the offer. So when a dude slips money in a womans purse or forces some money into a dominican friends pocket / hand, it's done with the intent of letting them know it's okay. That they won't be judged.

Take women in the states. When women go out on dates, you get some who will offer to pay (their share, a tip or the whole bill) right. BUT, we all know most of them don't really want to pay. They are hoping the guy will say "no, I got it". Many dudes won't get a second date if he allows her to pay. IMO DR women are no different when it comes to their own expectations from men. Like AW, DR women may also expect a man to figure out what she needs, WITHOUT her having to ask for it. Just because a woman doesn't come right out and ask, doesn't mean she doesn't hope a man offers her help / assistance / gifts etc. Enough DR women sure drop enough hints. Guys know this. If they feel the need is legit, dudes usually respond accordingly. Now if that has never been certain guys experiences with DR women, I look at it as a case of YMMD.

I'm sure there are enough women who arent looking for a mans money, or needs the mans money. I think you shared an example or two of ladies you know. However these women seem to be the exception but not necessarily the rule of what many men are encountering on the regular in DR women. Especially with internet babes.

Enough DR women that have concerns of being offered money is mostly two fold. Not wanting to look like they need a handout, and their not wanting to be perceived as a puta for taking money from a man. So enough DR women have their own set of insecurities or cultural norms just as AW do in the states.

The way you may not get why some guys offer money to normal DR women, I am equally baffled to why enough guys offering money to unemployed or under employed women is sometimes perceived negatively or it's assumed it's only about paying the girl.

A lot of guys probably think that once you offer, you might open yourself up to a person who NOW looks for money / help / assistance / gifts from that point on. However, my belief is a large majority of women are always hoping or expecting a man to offer from day one. But they want the man to take the initiative. Once he initiates his 1st offer, thats when the women can take it from there. By directly asking for help / assistance, and sharing their problems. But it wasnt something that just popped in their heads after the 1st offer. The main problem with all of this is, most men probably do not want to be depended on, especially when they are not there. Mainly because more men have realized they arent the ONLY men these women are fucking nor are they the only men these women expect help$$$/assistance / gifts from. These are common issues in regards to dating outside of p4p (Sosua ).

I totally agree that in order to find certain types of women in the DR it takes time and patience. I get that. I realize that being fluent may make a world of difference in ones experience with normal women. I get that too. I get that it's okay to have friends you can keep in contact with on Whats app. IMO, when I really look at it. Most women I've met in the DR that I stay in contact with, the friendship is extremely different than the friendship I have with women friends I know in the states. The friendships built in the states is usually comprised of really having things in common, and really knowing them beyond just from discussing problems. These women really knowing who I am, and me knowing who they are. They know what I'm about, my family, I know the same etc. I don't see that level of friendship or connection happening with DR women. It's mostly very superficial. And therefore don't place that much value on staying in contact with them simply because we have a social medium.

Don't get me wrong. I have chica friends that I whatsapp with regularly. However I maintain contact as a means to an end. I can see them, set up dates / sleepovers when I return. Requests for help / assistance / gifts/$$$ is simply part of the experience one may encounter when staying in touch with DR women. I say may encounter, because I don't always get requests from all the DR women I know. In fact, many of the women I am in contact with now, used to RFM me when we 1st hooked up. And stopped when they realized I wasnt budging. They didn't write me off completely because I was still an asset to them once I was with them in their country. Others wrote me off the moment that I refused or failed to honor their requests. So I kinda stick with those that stuck with me. They are always welcome to get all they can from some other dude. I wrote a book, I know.

[QUOTE=Surfer500;1519781]You do need time and patience to correspond with these girls but it is a good way to work on your Spanish. I have not lied to a single women on the dating site. After contacting them I make it very clear that I am in Sosua on vacation. After corresponding a few times I further tell them I am not looking for a wife or a girlfriend. I make this very clear and tell them I can help them out and even pose a hypothetical scenario where if we have chemistry together, I inquire as to how much money they want for their time. I only ask this question when they have confirmed that they understand what's up and lot of them have said " no problemo". I found a really nice one when I was down in December and she has not asked me to send her any money and we exchange texts every few days. With her I made it very clear what was up when we were together and always treated her like a girl friend versus a Puta. I plan on spending more time with her on my next trip in February. I currently have two new ones lined up for my return and they fully understand what the program is. There are women in the DR that will be with a guy that is upfront with them from the beginning, treats them well, and have chemistry with you. If I click with some of the new ones I plan on meeting, I'm going to have to get creative as to how to manage my leche between them all. A good problem to have![/QUOTE]I think being clear and up front makes sense. The idea is to mitigate any misunderstandings later, and feeling free to proceed with the woman with less problems.

I tend to believe there are an abundance of women who are already prepared to roll the way you described. They already have our understanding. They just need to know what type of man is in front of them, and what he wants. In other words, a woman will adapt to whatever situation / man she has in front of her. If he is aware and strong she will adapt to that. If he is weak or unaware, he will be treated accordingly. However an important factor is, the test of time. Any woman can claim to understand whatever we present to them. But time dealing with them is the test that will reveal if they will CONSISTENTLY roll according to our supposed mutual understanding. Like women in the states. You can tell a woman you don't want a serious relationship. She'll appear to accept that. But sometime down the road, she may flip and claim she wants a relationship. The guy will be asking her, but I thought we had an understanding? Whereas the woman will say that was then, this is how I feel now.

My experience with DR women, including Cupid women is similar. They will agree to anything if it will help them get their foot in the door. Sometime down the road, you may experience them telling you about their problems, and more specifically directly asking for $$$ with a problem. Many don't grasp that the guy not being there with her may be a problem for that guy. All they know is they want the guy to respond to their dilemma (real or false ). In enough instances, it's a test to see how a dude handles the request. Even if she confirmed a prior understanding.

In general, I would not be impressed with any woman that claims to understand my concerns, or who hasnt asked for money yet. If a dude puts a woman on notice that those are his concerns, a man should expect a woman to potentially adjust her behavior so as to appear like she is not like those other women. Thats why I say the test of time is very important. But women have proven that they can assume a false role for decades with men (marriage, but never really loved the man) , in order to achieve certain goals (house, kids, being taken care of etc ). So I don't put much stock into women claiming to agree with my terms. Overall, it's up to me to stick to my guns whether or not a woman reveals to me a different side or we no longer have a mutual understanding.

[QUOTE=Surfer500; 1519781]You do need time and patience to correspond with these girls but it is a good way to work on your Spanish.

I only ask this question when they have confirmed that they understand what's up and lot of them have said " no problemo".[/QUOTE]I have yet to hear any Spanish speaker say "no problemo". Aside from considerations of grammar,"problemo" is not even a Spanish word.

[QUOTE=Frannie;1520010]I have yet to hear any Spanish speaker say "no problemo". Aside from considerations of grammar,"problemo" is not even a Spanish word.[/QUOTE]Correct but the word,"problema" ending with the letter "a" is indeed a Spanish word.