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Some people really have a flair for the drama and love the use of numbers. First it is impossible to get anything but a 7 in Kiev until I point out that a 7 is a well above average woman now it's only 6's that is the best anyone can get.

And then to get really dramatic about the percentage of fake profiles on escort sites the guy says 95% but he has to come in with the dramatics with 99.5 despite admittedly not visiting Kiev for about 2.5 years and regardless there would be no way to know the percentage of fake profiles unless you called every one so in fact no one knows and the flair for the drama can be very misleading to other forum members.

[QUOTE=AntonySun1996;2280373]I understand 5000 $ is a big amount in Kiev. What I don't understand is why the girl still won't behave herself and provide with quality sex when I pay this amount. Maybe got spoiled by being paid too much.

BTW, she even brought her sister to my apartment today, chatting and chilling, leaving me in the room alone. That utterly unacceptable.

I don't like to be tough with girls but I guess I have to.[/QUOTE]What that dude is talking about!? 5'000 $? I have no money and cannot pay money to girls!

About that dude: maybe he is simply not attractive enough for the girl? I have not the slightest idea how that particular dude looks like, how old, how he behaves etc but I met some guys where I am not surprised the girls wanted not have sex or more with them. So, often the ugly man who expects the perfect girl is an illusion.

And again: 5'000 $?! Come on!? Loooool!

[QUOTE=Rog123;2291442]...I point out that 7 is a well above average woman...[/QUOTE]I remember having just an hour before one of my favorite 6's departure on a commuter train, still 15 minutes away from my Kiev apartment, and I ask her:

- Do you want to come to my place?

At the time we didn't know each other that well, and we had sex only once, one month prior, very very good. She is so sweet and feminine! And now I told her:

- If we don't, it is not going to change anything.

She smiled, and answered in a shy, but confident manner:

- Yes, I want to.

We were next to Andreevska Church. Driver made it in 7 minutes. I gave him 200 UAH, where it was probably 70-90 UAH ride.

We switched to DFK in the back seat, then 3 flights of stairs up, made love in the most sensual way, and continued kissing after. That's when she, with a visible regret sighed, and exclaimed:

- Wish I could stay! Why do I have to go?

- No worries, my dear, I'll see you soon.

Then she expressed her doubts:

- Did we go for this too soon?

- No way! Please don't say that! You are perfect!

Love this girl! She arrived again later during my visit, we met in front of MacD on K, - where else, right? She didn't sleep enough the previous night, studying and then catching the first train early morning. There was a couple hours before going to the concert. We ate at "Puzata Hata" next door, simply because it was fast and acceptable, she is not a glamorous type. Modest young lady with good manners. Then I made sure she went to bed and had a good hour nap before we dressed up and went out.

You can imagine how grateful she was after the concert!

Then at 6 am next morning I had to wake her up, because we had certain plans at 8 am. No complaining, sweet kiss even before she opened her eyes, and then 40 minutes later her naked body, - gorgeous silhouette in the shower room doorway.

She is probably 6 face and body according to common standards, and is so typical for Kiev, yet unique in her own way. When we make love her body looks flawless, her smile is divine, and we understand each other's wishes and desires without any words spoken. Rare find. I give her anywhere between 2000 and 5000 UAH per day with or without sleepover, and we never discuss that part, as she wants to meet again and again. To me on the scale 1 to 10 she is 21.

This is why I keep flying into KBP more frequently and for longer periods with every passing year!

How did I find her? Certainly not on the website. Trial and error, persistence and positive attitude, realistic expectations and respect to young Kiev ladies.

Meet me in Kiev in May, and I'll explain in sufficient detail.

BTW, I just executed a search on [URL]kievlady.com[/URL] for 1600-2100 UAH ladies 18-22 years old, up to 176 high, and In My Not So Humble Opinion more than 50% of the pix returned are real. Doesn't guarantee those would be the girls delivered to your door, but they do exist. Not as a fruit of somebody's diluted imagination, but in reality. 10 thousand posted, 5 thousand of them are easily real. Kiev has more to offer.

Over a long enough statistically representative period of time, say one week, my Viber success rate may go as low as 50% if I am tired, irritated for no reason, and very picky. It goes up to 70-80% if I am content and adventuresome, even while sober. Meaning out of 10 cars reaching my sidewalk I keep and am happy with at least 7 girls. Those dispatchers know me, and want to keep me happy. Mutually beneficial collusion, hehehe.

Cheers!

[QUOTE=MichiT;2291522]What that dude is talking about!? 5'000 $? I have no money and cannot pay money to girls!

About that dude: maybe he is simply not attractive enough for the girl? I have not the slightest idea how that particular dude looks like, how old, how he behaves etc but I met some guys where I am not surprised the girls wanted not have sex or more with them. So, often the ugly man who expects the perfect girl is an illusion.

And again: 5'000 $?! Come on!? Loooool![/QUOTE]Antony came to Forum and asked for help. Forum answered with a range of emotions and different degree of usefulness. I believe it has been managed in a rather civilized manner, without belittling Antony.

I personally agree with Bimbo Boy. Fuck her and then kick her out. Or make love and keep. Or kick her out without fucking. Doesn't really matter. How much is paid is Antony's personal business. The key is to stay relaxed, keep the eyes open, multiple options available, and have at least one new girl every other day. This is Kiev after all, there is enough fish in the sea, and they are all of different shapes and colors, some are fast and furious, some are slow and amazing nevertheless. Happy fishing, gentlemen!

[QUOTE=BimboBoy;2291414]...a girl that you can have for USD 2000 a month. 22 years old, university student. 183cm tall...[/QUOTE]As long as she is sweet and fulfills every erotic desir.

Average month is 30 days, minus her period and visiting grandparents in the remote village, perhaps 20-23 days. USD100 per day, if you need her every day. USD200 every other day if you alternate. The rest is up to you. Do you want to stick to straight sex in the confines of your residence, or go out and incur more expenses?

Decent looking lady though. Can only imagine her in stiletto high heels towering over me arriving at the Theater! And the best part she is far from being the only one available for our hobby.

[QUOTE=AntonySun1996;2280373]I understand 5000 $ is a big amount in Kiev. What I don't understand is why the girl still won't behave herself and provide with quality sex when I pay this amount. Maybe got spoiled by being paid too much.

BTW, she even brought her sister to my apartment today, chatting and chilling, leaving me in the room alone. That utterly unacceptable.

I don't like to be tough with girls but I guess I have to.[/QUOTE]You are very horny and she can't satisfy you. This is why she brought her sister. So go ahead, and bang her sister!

Dude. You are so rookie.

Just met with another girl in Moscow from Ukraine. That is 2 in 2 days, definite pattern, but nobody is leaving Ukraine for better opportunities.

[QUOTE=BimboBoy;2291414]Hello comrade,

I have been travelling to ex CIS countries for 12 years and living in Ukraine for 5 now.

You just have the wrong attitude with this girl. She expects to be with an oligarch that showers her with money. And you are treating her like a soft hearted westerner. In Ukraine men must behave like real men, or you lose respect. Just try force her for sex, and if she refuses, then kick her out.

Just tell her crudely what you want or else she will be kicked-out. There are thousands of girls like her that are ready to sell themselves for iPhones or Louis Vuitton bags.

The photo is such a girl that you can have for USD 2000 a month. 22 years old, university student. 183cm tall.[/QUOTE]The girl in the picture is nice but not really my type. I prefer tall busty blondes with pale skin / lighter complexion, while this girl looks a little bit tanned. I might be wrong as it's hard to tell the details of the girls appearance from a picture of her with sunglasses and so much clothes on.

And I have started to adjust my attitudes depending on the situations. I'm not from western culture by the way. I'm from China where female are in an even more dominant position in relationships than their western counterparts. Guys have to make a lot of efforts to please their girlfriends. The situation used to be the opposite, but changed dramatically in recent years when western feminism kicked in.

[QUOTE=Rog123;2291442]Some people really have a flair for the drama and love the use of numbers. First it is impossible to get anything but a 7 in Kiev until I point out that a 7 is a well above average woman now it's only 6's that is the best anyone can get.

And then to get really dramatic about the percentage of fake profiles on escort sites the guy says 95% but he has to come in with the dramatics with 99.5 despite admittedly not visiting Kiev for about 2.5 years and regardless there would be no way to know the percentage of fake profiles unless you called every one so in fact no one knows and the flair for the drama can be very misleading to other forum members.[/QUOTE]I think for most mongers, who are short-time visitors, 95% and 99.5% fake rates don't make much difference. A few disappointments would be enough to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] them off. Miracles could still happen, though. In rare cases, the switches are sometimes even hotter than baits in B. S.

[QUOTE=MichiT;2291522]What that dude is talking about!? 5'000 $? I have no money and cannot pay money to girls!

About that dude: maybe he is simply not attractive enough for the girl? I have not the slightest idea how that particular dude looks like, how old, how he behaves etc but I met some guys where I am not surprised the girls wanted not have sex or more with them. So, often the ugly man who expects the perfect girl is an illusion.

And again: 5'000 $?! Come on!? Loooool![/QUOTE]I'm an average looking Asian guy in my early 20's with quite healthy figure, above-world-average penis size, and decent behaviors. I'm not famous for my looks but I wouldn't say I'm ugly.

[QUOTE=BimboBoy;2291754]You are very horny and she can't satisfy you. This is why she brought her sister. So go ahead, and bang her sister![/QUOTE]Her sister has a boyfriend and she is not quite sexually attractive to me as well.

[QUOTE=BimboBoy;2291754]You are very horny and she can't satisfy you. This is why she brought her sister. So go ahead, and bang her sister![/QUOTE]Maybe.

More likely though it was the usual cock blocking trick. Knowing that Antony "behaves", she decided to have preventive protection.

One of my girls in Kiev is very horny, and she has a sponsor who already proposed marriage to her. She brings her 5 years old son to our meetings. He runs around, kid is a kid. I put Disney cartoons on TV for him in the living room, lock my bedroom door, and fuck her anyway, because subconsciously that's what she wants.

Agree with one thing- be assertive, do not take girls bullshit. I do not mind talking, as long as I get laid sufficiently frequently.

Antony's girl demonstrated repeatedly how selfish she is. As time goes by she will only get worse. Doesn't matter if he spoils her or not, if he tries to bring her to senses or kicks her out. Many Kiev girls are like that. Not all, but many.

I would literally ask the sister to give us some privacy and say the following to the girl herself:

- We didn't make love for a while. Why don't we proceed to my bedroom please?

- Right now?

- Yes please.

- Well. Right now I cannot because blah blah blah.

Then, as Bimbo Boy says, I would smile and directly ask her sister:

- Would you like to make love? Let's go, baby! I've been deprived for way too long already!

And after they both refuse, or even without all that drama, I would state:

- Sorry ladies, I have an unexpected meeting, and need to go now. Would you like me to arrange for your taxi or prefer taking subway?

Paying for her rent? Having common future? No effing way!

Kick her out, and call KEC. Or even call KEC in her presence and ask for Margarita, or Katya, or Liza. Fuck two in a row, or have a threesome after threesome until every erotic desire is satisfied, and there is no strength anymore).

I had a girl that tried to come to me when she needed a place to stay overnight, while having her period. Upon realizing that I made up her bed in the living room, and called my regular dispatcher asking for two girls to choose from. When the taxi arrived, I asked her to go with me and help choosing which girl I should keep. She looked at the car, and showed some attitude going for a late dinner instead. Next her visit a month later we fucked no problem and no pay, only 200 UAH taxi money after. You may ask why did I keep her? Because I enjoy spending time with her besides just mating. But do not take no bullshit.

It's a cultural Ukrainian thing, girls hunt for the best suitor with least possible concession on their own part. But I do not position myself as an ATM to get milked. Not in Kiev.

[QUOTE=AntonySun1996;2291806]...I'm not from western culture by the way. I'm from China where female are in an even more dominant position in relationships than their western counterparts. Guys have to make a lot of efforts to please their girlfriends. The situation used to be the opposite, but changed dramatically in recent years when western feminism kicked in.[/QUOTE]According to some estimates:

"The gender ratio in China appears to be falling, from a high of 121 boys born for every 100 girls in 2004 to about 113.5 boys in 2015, according to official figures. Worldwide, the ratio is about 104 boys to 100 girls. ".

In Chinese society boys are expected to take care of their parents, while girls would leave them after marriage. This results in more male babies being born and raised.

15 to 64 years ratio is 1.05 male to female (2015 est.) Total population of China is 1. 4 billion. Therefore no less than 10 million capable horny men have no chance. Imagine that in a less populated country.

I can only concur that Antony doesn't make anything up. I witnessed but didn't quite experienced that dominant behavior by young Chinese women in respective western diaspora firsthand.

[QUOTE=AntonySun1996;2291822]Her sister has a boyfriend and she is not quite sexually attractive to me as well.[/QUOTE]She has a boyfriend, so what! I had a girl repeatedly, who in my presence was getting SMS messages from the contact labeled "My Love". I will keep away more intimate details.

The fact that the sister wasn't your type is another story. I would still overcame my feelings though and fucked her as a matter of principle.

I am going to be in Kiev for two week in August and thought I was going to use agency girls / websites / clubs to get different women.

I was planning on spending 500 us on girls. I am thinking now if I could find a stunner (8+) just to giver her the 500 a day to be with me the entire time.

This would save time having to look for them / having to turn away bait and switches.

Thoughts on this and how would you all recommend finding someone?