Sao Paulo Reports

[QUOTE=WanderingMan;2977189]I read about thirty pages of comments in this forum and appreciated all the comments and reports. Your wisdom and experiences proved essential for me determining not to visit. The prices in Sao Paulo rival USA pricing, especially when you consider the costs of traveling, lodging, and other expenses.

Sao Paulo would have been a first visit, but other countries cost far less for leisure activities. Stay safe.[/QUOTE]All I can say is it's your loss man. If it's a matter of you can't afford it and you know it, then OK. But if you can afford it, then I would urge you to go and spend a minimum of 10 days there. Going to Brazil changed my outlook on life and what's most important (same for many, many others). If you can afford to go then by all means do go!

[QUOTE=WanderingMan;2977189]I read about thirty pages of comments in this forum and appreciated all the comments and reports. Your wisdom and experiences proved essential for me determining not to visit. The prices in Sao Paulo rival USA pricing, especially when you consider the costs of traveling, lodging, and other expenses.

Sao Paulo would have been a first visit, but other countries cost far less for leisure activities. Stay safe.[/QUOTE]When you include traveling, lodging, and other expenses involved, most destinations end up as expensive as the US.

Yes São Paulo is generally more expensive than a lot of other destinations. It's also just about impossible to beat for quantity and quality.

[QUOTE=WanderingMan;2977189] The prices in Sao Paulo rival USA pricing, especially when you consider the costs of traveling, lodging, and other expenses.

Sao Paulo would have been a first visit, but other countries cost far less for leisure activities. Stay safe.[/QUOTE]WM, traveling around the world costs money and the only way to avoid travel expenses is to stay home. Unfortunately, I dislike the P4 P scene in my home state of Florida so traveling outside of the USA is a fate accompli for me. I do not punt in the USA.

But I will agree with you that SP hotel rack rates are more expensive than comparable hotels in BKK, CGK, and MNL. SP restaurant costs, on the other hand seem relatively reasonable to me unless you are into Michelin star quality fare. For example, on my last visit to SP, I took my favorite Scandallo girl to a joint called Jun Sakamoto. The food was knockout, and we had a great time polishing off a bottle of Saki, but it was a very, very expensive 5-star dinner. Maybe we will do it again in a year or two.

Same same with SP girls. At the high end there are bordellos like Scandallo where a punter can easily drop 1,300 br minimum or a lot more in a couple of hours. That is pretty expensive. BUT, once you have met some Scandallo girls who are repeat worthy, you can skip the bordello and meet up at your hotel which will reduce your cost of entertainment by something around 40%. KKK. But yeah, at the high end, SP is expensive. Whether it is worth it or not is up to the individual punter. I think it is worth it because I really like these bordello girls. They are unique.

But SP also has clinicas in good neighborhoods where a punter will only pay between 200 br and 350 br per hourly session. Many of these clinica girls ARE really quite doable ie attractive and the sex is usually very good. I have a friend who only does the clinicas and he stays in relatively reasonably priced 4-star hotels for around $100 US / night. I think his quality / fun / sex / cost ratio is competitive with other "inexpensive" destinations worldwide like even Phnom Penh, for example, and he prefers Brazilian girls over Asian girls, so for him SP is a very reasonably priced punting destination.

[QUOTE=Combo;2977217] Yes So Paulo is generally more expensive than a lot of other destinations. It's also just about impossible to beat for quantity and quality.[/QUOTE]You hit the nail on the head Combo. I couldn't agree more. The quantity / quality profile is very high in SP as is the average Brazilian working girl's attitude toward her clients. I just keep coming back to SP for more. I am an addict. KKK.

[QUOTE=XXL;2962356]I saw the currency conversion screen a flash of a second but the shopkeeper was quicker. She said "of course" when I said I wanted to pay in Real and there's the result. Brazil has a dual-pricing system folks, a worse one that Thailand! The only way to avoid this would be to be the one manipulating the machine. I'm fed up with this. From now on I'll withdraw more cash from the ATM and pay everything I can I in cash. A bit of a hassle but there's no other way.[/QUOTE]You should always pay in the local currency. Paying in your currency is the scam. When you pay in your currency, they can charge you whatever exchange rate they want. In addition to that, you are typically charged a fee for that conversion. Since your bank will STILL charge you a fee for the conversion, you are not gaining anything by doing the conversion up front.

If you are charged in your local currency, you should have them cancel the purchase and redo it, ESPECIALLY if it is something expensive like a plane ticket.

[QUOTE=Juanjo767;2977396]You should always pay in the local currency. Paying in your currency is the scam. When you pay in your currency, they can charge you whatever exchange rate they want. In addition to that, you are typically charged a fee for that conversion. Since your bank will STILL charge you a fee for the conversion, you are not gaining anything by doing the conversion up front.

If you are charged in your local currency, you should have them cancel the purchase and redo it, ESPECIALLY if it is something expensive like a plane ticket.[/QUOTE]This is already well-known thank you. I called it dual-pricing because the scam targets only foreign credit card. Holders of Brazilian credit cards are not affected. In principle nothing would prevent them from being affected. Prices in Real could, in principle, be converted into Dollars, then back into Reais (maybe even to Euro then Dollars then back into Real with a detour into Danish Crown and Renminbi for good measure?). The fact is they aren't.

How people spend so much time writing up a report, and then don't add basic information like addresses. Those same people are always the first to spam RTFF.

Prime.

[URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/itbPvuvg259GT4rg9[/URL]

Miruna (Not Maruna. The amount of time lost searching for Maruna, if there is such a place).

[URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/4sxBrVP621ShFyf68[/URL]

Abbbora.

[URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/n55rLKJLTS7ZCm7cA[/URL]

57 House Friends Club.

[URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/2H27zcsvHGnJW9KCA[/URL]

Casaro Augusta.

[URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/eZ2fKzXcH3Q6Wog17[/URL]

Scandallo Lounge.

[URL]https://maps.app.goo.gl/A659oQmcR3u3K6G57[/URL]

In preparing for a trip, these are the locations that I found.

I would appreciate it if the community at large would let me know if I have the wrong location, or have missed something.

I would love to have access to World Traveler 69's Sao Paulo map. However, I don't want the paper trail.

[QUOTE=XXL;2977399]This is already well-known thank you. I called it dual-pricing because the scam targets only foreign credit card. Holders of Brazilian credit cards are not affected. In principle nothing would prevent them from being affected. Prices in Real could, in principle, be converted into Dollars, then back into Reais (maybe even to Euro then Dollars then back into Real with a detour into Danish Crown and Renminbi for good measure?). The fact is they aren't.[/QUOTE]Ok. You said worse than Thailand, so I figured that I would point that out since the same thing happens in Thailand.

[QUOTE=Combo;2977217]When you include traveling, lodging, and other expenses involved, most destinations end up as expensive as the US.

Yes So Paulo is generally more expensive than a lot of other destinations. It's also just about impossible to beat for quantity and quality.[/QUOTE]I see Axel agrees with you but I have to disagree with both of you. Quality is subjective so I won't argue about the quality and performance levels of Brazilian girls. For you and many others they are the best. But quantity?? It's not even close, many destinations have many more working girls than Brazil.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2977418] But quantity?? It's not even close[/QUOTE]I agree with you and I won't be the only one.

[QUOTE=HoustonPlayer;2977418]I see Axel agrees with you but I have to disagree with both of you. Quality is subjective so I won't argue about the quality and performance levels of Brazilian girls. For you and many others they are the best. But quantity?? It's not even close, many destinations have many more working girls than Brazil.[/QUOTE]Ok Houston, you are right. I just reread my post, and that line, "You hit the nail on the head Combo. I couldn't agree more. " Is a little vague and over the top. What can I say? I was in a good mood when I wrote it because I had just finished texting with my favorite SP gal and I was on a long distance high. KKK.

But I will stand by my 3rd sentence in that paragraph, "the quantity / quality profile is very high in SP as is the average Brazilian working girl's attitude toward her clients".

So, getting back to the OP; I highly recommend international travel regardless of the transportation cost and seeing and doing as much as possible in the remaining great punting destinations before it all goes away or declines in quality forever! As for the highest quantity of doable working girls available, multiplicity of venues, and ease of access; no current destination in the world comes even close to the scene in BKK or Pattaya. Sao Paulo, certainly, is not at that volume level even though I can't think of any place in BKK or Pat that rivals Scandallo for quantity or quality. SP feels to me more like Jakarta, which has a great nightlife scene too, with its bordellos, nightclubs, and pick up bars that are spread-out all-over town and where everything is relatively discreet until you approach the front door.

So, I say the same thing to both camps. To my fellow punters who like to party in SE Asia, I say you got to check out Brazil and to my friends who like to party in Brazil, I say you got to check out BKK, Pat, CGK, and Phnom. Have fun, Will travel.

A. H.

[QUOTE=Combo;2977217]When you include traveling, lodging, and other expenses involved, most destinations end up as expensive as the US.

Yes Sao Paulo is generally more expensive than a lot of other destinations. It's also just about impossible to beat for quantity and quality.[/QUOTE]I travel quite a bit around the world and last year visited Thailand, Havana, Cartagena, and Korea. From many testimonials in the Sao Paulo reports, it appears as though the cost nears $400 to $500 USD for one transaction. Some indicated a lady's drink cost $65 USD. When factoring other expenses, that could easily cost $1000 daily. While I can afford that daily price, and did so when visiting Ireland a few years ago, it seems excessive when compared to other countries like Colombia.

As time goes on, I have found traveling to the Far East isn't the best due to time constraints and other factors. Thailand was enjoyably when younger, but the allure seems to have faded with time. It has delicious food and scenery though. Korea has enjoyable food but the people seem tense. Havana proved enjoyable for visiting, and the food was great, it felt very safe, but I felt as though others were watching and avoided mongering. I formerly visited the Dominican Republic but the North coast doesn't offer a pleasant atmosphere.

Right now I am considering revisiting Colombia, but perhaps somewhere other than Cartagena. I liked it there for many reasons, but would like to expand. I am also reading about Costa Rica though there seem to be mixed reviews.

I like Hispanic women. What makes Brazilian women so special they seem to have so many men in here under their spells?

As always, thanks to everyone for their assistance. It's greatly appreciated.

[QUOTE=WanderingMan;2977907]I travel quite a bit around the world and last year visited Thailand, Havana, Cartagena, and Korea. From many testimonials in the Sao Paulo reports, it appears as though the cost nears $400 to $500 USD for one transaction. Some indicated a lady's drink cost $65 USD. When factoring other expenses, that could easily cost $1000 daily. While I can afford that daily price, and did so when visiting Ireland a few years ago, it seems excessive when compared to other countries like Colombia.

As time goes on, I have found traveling to the Far East isn't the best due to time constraints and other factors. Thailand was enjoyably when younger, but the allure seems to have faded with time. It has delicious food and scenery though. Korea has enjoyable food but the people seem tense. Havana proved enjoyable for visiting, and the food was great, it felt very safe, but I felt as though others were watching and avoided mongering. I formerly visited the Dominican Republic but the North coast doesn't offer a pleasant atmosphere.

Right now I am considering revisiting Colombia, but perhaps somewhere other than Cartagena. I liked it there for many reasons, but would like to expand. I am also reading about Costa Rica though there seem to be mixed reviews.

I like Hispanic women. What makes Brazilian women so special they seem to have so many men in here under their spells?

As always, thanks to everyone for their assistance. It's greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]I don't know where you're getting your pricing from. Definitely not from me because I have never bought a $65 lady drink in Brazil. In fact, rarely have I ever bought a lady drink at all in Brazil! Not because I'm cheap (I travel with big mongering budgets) but because that's not an integral part of the scene in Brazil, say like in Thailand or other parts of Asia as example. Also, don't know how in the world you're tallying the average transaction at $400 to $500 bucks. That's not true as you can do much, much better than that. Brazil has many market segments you can tap, some being quite reasonable, like the clinicas in Sampa and the prives in Rio. Again, not going is your loss bro!

[QUOTE=WanderingMan;2977907]I travel quite a bit around the world and last year visited Thailand, Havana, Cartagena, and Korea. From many testimonials in the Sao Paulo reports, it appears as though the cost nears $400 to $500 USD for one transaction. Some indicated a lady's drink cost $65 USD. When factoring other expenses, that could easily cost $1000 daily.[/QUOTE]It's interesting that guys selectively read these posts and think entire São Paulo scene is scandallo. Admittedly it's probably best mongering venue in the world with a price to match. It would crazy to go SP and not visit scandallo at least once. But they ignore all of the other posts of the $12 to $50 per session venues which is comparable or even cheaper than the other cities. Prives are $12 to $20. Clinicas are $20 to $50. High end clinicas are $100 to $140. Other boates besides scandallo are $100 and up.

[QUOTE=WanderingMan;2977907]I travel quite a bit around the world and last year visited Thailand, Havana, Cartagena, and Korea. From many testimonials in the Sao Paulo reports, it appears as though the cost nears $400 to $500 USD for one transaction. Some indicated a lady's drink cost $65 USD. When factoring other expenses, that could easily cost $1000 daily. While I can afford that daily price, and did so when visiting Ireland a few years ago, it seems excessive when compared to other countries like Colombia.

As time goes on, I have found traveling to the Far East isn't the best due to time constraints and other factors. Thailand was enjoyably when younger, but the allure seems to have faded with time. It has delicious food and scenery though. Korea has enjoyable food but the people seem tense. Havana proved enjoyable for visiting, and the food was great, it felt very safe, but I felt as though others were watching and avoided mongering. I formerly visited the Dominican Republic but the North coast doesn't offer a pleasant atmosphere..[/QUOTE]Those numbers are not representative of the reality here. I'm in Sao Paulo right now, having a great time. These prices are accurate as of late January 2025:

- High end clinica (Sharon, Palms, etc) - BRL700 all in ( USD115). High quality talent, 1 HR session, great locations.

- Seeking Arrangement. This varies, but on average BRL800-1000 (USD135-170) for very high quality semi-pros from anywhere ranging between 3 hours to overnight. Never paid more than BRL1000 for an overnight here. These are more often than not university students, Instagram influencers, etc. Just last night I had a 25 y / o gym girl that was fucking amazing, stayed overnight and fucked like a champ. Plus, kissing and BBBJ.

- Scandallo, still haven't made my way there on this trip but planning to do so on Monday. IIRC, going before 7 pm the entry was cheaper and all consumable. Girl prices range quite a bit. They'll quote you BRL2000 but that really means they'll do BRL800-1000 and they're just trying to get more money because you look like a tourist. Negotiate. Negotiate hard. Scandallo is a buyer's market, take advantage of that. If she won't budge, there are probably 5 others who are willing to entertain your price. These prices are reasonable for what I consider the best mongering space in the world. I've never seen any other place like it.

Well, hope this helps friend. Do not be afraid to come to Brazil, prices are not scandalous and the quality you get is unbelievable, specially if you like Latin women. Plus, good food, nice atmosphere, friendly locals and great steak. Brazil is always a good idea.

[QUOTE=Combo;2977217]When you include traveling, lodging, and other expenses involved, most destinations end up as expensive as the US......[/QUOTE]That's so for short trips where you bonk say four or five women. It would have been cheaper to do that at home. However, for longer trips where you have fun with 30 or 40 babes its cheaper abroad overall.